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**** OFFICIAL Marvel's Avengers: Endgame **** SPOILERS ALLOWED! Enter at your own risk!!! (2 Viewers)

shadyridr said:
Can someone explain to me how Captain America could yield the hammer?

Also I thought they did a poor job of explaining where Gamora went. 
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He's worthy. 

And Odin is dead, not sure if that lifted the spell.

Agreed completely on Gamora. Presume she's alive, she's in the next movie. But maybe that movie is about getting her back?

 
eoMMan said:
I think at this point with so many MCU movies made, the reasoning of "in or based on the comics" is pretty meaningless. They almost took him down when he had the rings. Didn't understand why three of them...three of the most powerful heroes...had trouble.
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It's consistent to the films too. They needed a heck of a lot of luck and surprise and Thanos never used the stones on them. Without Mantis, who had the ability to calm a living planet, they would have been defeated much quicker.

Thor got a lucky shot in and he blew it.

Russo brothers also said after IW that Thanos would whip the Hulk regardless of the Gauntlet.

If nothing else it's what Stan Lee would always say when a fanboy would ask "Could Hero X beat Hero Y?" 

"It depends on who is writing the comic."

 
shadyridr said:
Can someone explain to me how Captain America could yield the hammer?
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This has been a thing since the first Thor movie and revisited multiple times in various films.

Mijolnir can only be lifted by someone who is worthy. In the first Thor movie I believe Odin says Whosoever is worthy shall wield the power of Thor. Or something to that effect. The hammer is imbued with a spell that literally prevents anyone from lifting it unless they are deemed worthy.

In the first Avengers movie when Hulk and Thor are fighting Thor throws the hammer at Hulk and when Hulk gets up he tries to lift it and it doesn't budge an inch (and Hulk was really trying).

In Avengers Age of Ultron there is a great scene where all the heros take a crack at lifting Mijolnirnitndoesnt budge for any of them.  But when Cap steps up to try the hammer moves, just slightly and Thor looks a little nervous.

Guess the hammer finally realized that Cap is worthy.

ETA: this is the correct language "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

 
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Pretty sure I read that they wanted this to be a love letter to the characters.

It was very much that.  The scenes everyone said they loved I did too. The deaths were powerful and emotional. 

I'm not going to even worry about the time stuff. It's a comic book. I wanted to be entertained.

3 Captain America movies.

3 Iron Man movies.

3 Thor movies.

2 Guardians 

2 Ant Man

Hulk

Dr. Strange.

Spiderman

Black Panther

Captain Marvel

4 Avengers

This universe has been remarkable. I've enjoyed every part of it. 

He was, and always will be, Iron Man.

 
I don't want to go into too much if tangent but it still amazes me how getting the right group of writers together is so hard in the movie industry. Look at all the money the MCU has made by doing it the way they have and yet others try to cut corners and hire a single person with a biased vision to run things. 

I prefer DC to Marvel for the comics and cartoons which is why I lament the fact that the MCU writers and RDJ took Iron Man, a 3rd rate character in the Marvel universe, and made him an icon as big as Batman. Yet here we have DC and WB bastardizing Superman ( one of my favorites as a kid) every chance they get. 

When they had the memorial for Tony, I couldn't help but think of how meaningful it actually was because of everything that went before it. Then compare it to the cheaply thrown together mess that was the death of Superman in BvS and the unfeeling funeral procession that meant jack ####. It made me mad.

 
Haven’t seen anyone mention my favorite one-liner when Stark calls Thor “Lebowski.” Didn’t expect or care for the time-travel element but aside from that, I liked it.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
Pretty sure I read that they wanted this to be a love letter to the characters.
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While certainly true, one has to say it was primarily, above all, a love-letter to Tony Stark and Robert Downey Jr.   I'm old enough to remember his career from its brilliant early days (Less than Zero, Chaplin), through the dark years of drug addiction, multiple arrests, guns, prison, rehab, more drugs, etc. when it would not have been the least bit surprising to open the paper and read of his death.  Then the strange career resurrection that started with a number of b-movies and eventually found its way to Iron Man.  I can't imagine anyone else in that role.  Whatever silly amount of money they are paying him is honestly not enough.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
While certainly true, one has to say it was primarily, above all, a love-letter to Tony Stark and Robert Downey Jr.   I'm old enough to remember his career from its brilliant early days (Less than Zero, Chaplin), through the dark years of drug addiction, multiple arrests, guns, prison, rehab, more drugs, etc. when it would not have been the least bit surprising to open the paper and read of his death.  Then the strange career resurrection that started with a number of b-movies and eventually found its way to Iron Man.  I can't imagine anyone else in that role.  Whatever silly amount of money they are paying him is honestly not enough.
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Yeah I said to my son that he really just can't comprehend how much RDJ is Tony Stark.  That casting decision and what he did in that role can't be respected enough. 

 
Corporation said:
Is a grown man really questioning others on a fantasy football board in a thread dedicated to a super hero movie? 
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Yes? It's a message board. I don't play fantasy football anymore.

I like reading what people think about movies but the crying thing is a little out there for me.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
.  I can't imagine anyone else in that role.  Whatever silly amount of money they are paying him is honestly not enough.
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when you consider that Hulk was not a big hit as the second movie, if Iron Man in the lead off spot did not work(which might have been as simple as casting Tom Cruise in that role) they may have pulled the plug after hulk and we would have missed out on arguably the greatest movie run in history. 

I don't think I will ever see anything like this again in my life (22 movies, all some what connected and mostly all entertaining).

 
Insein said:
I don't want to go into too much if tangent but it still amazes me how getting the right group of writers together is so hard in the movie industry. Look at all the money the MCU has made by doing it the way they have and yet others try to cut corners and hire a single person with a biased vision to run things. 

I prefer DC to Marvel for the comics and cartoons which is why I lament the fact that the MCU writers and RDJ took Iron Man, a 3rd rate character in the Marvel universe, and made him an icon as big as Batman. Yet here we have DC and WB bastardizing Superman ( one of my favorites as a kid) every chance they get. 

When they had the memorial for Tony, I couldn't help but think of how meaningful it actually was because of everything that went before it. Then compare it to the cheaply thrown together mess that was the death of Superman in BvS and the unfeeling funeral procession that meant jack ####. It made me mad.
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Iron Man was not a third rate character in the Marvel Universe. But, as it relates to comparisons to characters like Batman and Superman your point is well taken. Before the MCU, no Marvel character ever reached their level of recognition. Wolverine probably came closest.

Now more people like a Tree and a Rabbit more than Batman. How crazy is that?

 
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Chaka said:
Iron Man was not a third rate character in the Marvel Universe. But, as it relates to comparisons to characters like Batman and Superman your point is well taken. Before the MCU, no Marvel character ever reached their level of recognition. Wolverine probably came closest.

Now more people like a Tree and a Rabbit more than Batman. How crazy is that?
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Maybe not more than Batman because we still have the cartoons and video games and good movies of Batman recent enough. Superman though. His last good thing non comic related was maybe the cartoon from the 90's? Everything since then has been a disaster.

And by 3rd rate I mean Iron Man is not on the Spiderman, Hulk, F4, X-Men level of Marvel. He was like the equivalent of a Martian manhunter or Green Lantern before the MCU.

 
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Chaka said:
Iron Man was not a third rate character in the Marvel Universe. But, as it relates to comparisons to characters like Batman and Superman your point is well taken. Before the MCU, no Marvel character ever reached their level of recognition. Wolverine probably came closest.

Now more people like a Tree and a Rabbit more than Batman. How crazy is that?
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You misspelled Spider-Man.  :)

 
Insein said:
2012 Thanos was motivated and hungry for those stones. He's pretty damn powerful in his own right. 

2018 Thanos gave up everything he cared about to achieve this dream and was worn down by using the gauntlet so much. 
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Plus wasn’t the bug lady messing with his mind?

 
Anybody see this in 3D?  Wanna see it again, and trying to decide whether to go 3D...if it was used really well and worth it.

 
jamny said:
Yes? It's a message board. I don't play fantasy football anymore.

I like reading what people think about movies but the crying thing is a little out there for me.
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I am with you dude. I would never have thought I would be crying during it. But you can't always control your emotions. :shrug:

 
AcerFC said:
This guy isnt buying it

https://www.thewrap.com/avengers-endgame-that-final-captain-america-scene-makes-no-sense-peggy-carter/amp/
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So we hand wave a lot of other stuff but this ruins it?  Stark shouldn't be able to put on the glove with the stones in it, let alone wield it as a normal human or did I miss something?  I'm not sure there ever is a time travel movie that doesn't break it's own rules.  And don't get me started on ant man /  giant man and all the rules they broke with him in the first 5 minutes after they laid them down in the first ant man movie. I felt, emphasize felt because no movie like this keeps its plot points correct, it was a good ending for Cap.  A whole life of fighting nobly, thanklessly, and continuously and then another one with his love as a reward.  Regardless of anything else the level of PTSD he must have is  outrageous.   If any character deserves a second chance at a normal life its Cap.  It breaks a few rules of time travel, in this kind of movie universe?  I'm fine with it for the emotional payoff.

 
Hugh Jass said:
Anybody see this in 3D?  Wanna see it again, and trying to decide whether to go 3D...if it was used really well and worth it.
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I just got back from seeing it in 3d.  Meh.

Loved the movie - only saw it in Imax 3d because I did not get tickets in advance and the 3:00 am showing was all that was available  - but I can't recall anything that stood out as being in 3d.  Maybe some of the battle scenes, but really no much/

 
Insein said:
2012 Thanos was motivated and hungry for those stones. He's pretty damn powerful in his own right. 

2018 Thanos gave up everything he cared about to achieve this dream and was worn down by using the gauntlet so much. 
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Don't buy that at all, he wasn't using the gauntlet much at all. And I have the same issue with Thor being powered down here. They are gods, they don't get tired and worn down, especially when Thanos was so close to his goal.

And honestly drunk Thor was in contradiction to his first movie where he and the Erik drank a ton and Thor had no issues and in fact had to carry Erik home.

 
Amazing. I’m still sorting it all out, but that was a fantastic movie. I love that all the Adam Warlock easter eggs were to throw the comic nerds off the scent of what the Russo bros wanted to do with the story. I thought they did a good job of setting the seeds of the new Avengers line-up, too, whenever they get back to that again. 

As for Cap, I’m willing to overlook the problems with his ending, because it’s the ending we want the character to have. For me, so what if it doesn’t quite work logically. I didn’t care.

I’m guessing that Secret Wars will happen, considering the homage shots to that story (Hulk holding up all the rock and Cap’s shield breaking). Between that, and the Russo bros saying they wanted to come back and do that for the MCU, I’m pretty jazzed about the next phases, too. A Secret Wars movie down the line would be this nerds ultimate dream.

Endgame was awesome. Nuff said.

 
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I bet the kid at Stark’s funeral is going to take up the Iron Man suit. 

Or make his own....that was the sound we heard post credits. Passing of the torch. 

He was WAY out of place at that funeral, but that would be a reason for him to be there. 

 
The Duff Man said:
I bet the kid at Stark’s funeral is going to take up the Iron Man suit. 

Or make his own....that was the sound we heard post credits. Passing of the torch. 

He was WAY out of place at that funeral, but that would be a reason for him to be there. 
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Marvel has confirmed the sound at the end was Tony building the first suit. 

Edited to add: I read an article that stated Marvel confirmed. article could be wrong

 
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Hawks64 said:
Don't buy that at all, he wasn't using the gauntlet much at all. And I have the same issue with Thor being powered down here. They are gods, they don't get tired and worn down, especially when Thanos was so close to his goal.

And honestly drunk Thor was in contradiction to his first movie where he and the Erik drank a ton and Thor had no issues and in fact had to carry Erik home.
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Disagree. Thanos is still mortal. He's tougher than most mortals but the gauntlet clearly showed that it took a toll on anyone that used it. Hulks arm. Tony's life. Thanos was not using all the stones at once but the battle with strange and the GOTG he was using the stones a lot. 

 
The theater experience for this movie was amazing. You could feel the energy buzzing through room, especially through the last act. So many cheers, gasps and sobs. The crowd was going wild for at least a minute straight starting from the moment Black Panther showed up, all the way through the "Avengers Assemble" line, each big character getting their own boost of applause as they showed up. 

Some favorite moments off the top of my head:

Captain America beging worthy to wield mjolnir, the crowd went wild. Also loved mid-battle when Cap and Thor swap weapons.

Every one of Rudd’s scenes were great – his best moment was when Giant Man punches Giant Alien Whale, hilarious and awesome. Where were you during Loki’s invasion of NY?!

Lastly, the look that Dr. Strange and Stark give each other. Out of 14 million possible outcomes, we only win one. Only now does Stark know that he needs to sacrifice himself in order to save the universe. An excellent way to wrap up his arc, RDJ's contract and the Iron Man era. 

Scheduled to go see at again, can't wait.

 
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Insein said:
Disagree. Thanos is still mortal. He's tougher than most mortals but the gauntlet clearly showed that it took a toll on anyone that used it. Hulks arm. Tony's life. Thanos was not using all the stones at once but the battle with strange and the GOTG he was using the stones a lot. 
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Well you can disagree all you want but he is a Titan, a member of the Eternals that carries the deviant gene. He's a god in Marvel, that's not an opinion but fact. He is mortal in the sense that he can live for multiple millennia. The only time the gauntlet affected him was when he used the stones to destroy themselves.

 
Hugh Jass said:
Anybody see this in 3D?  Wanna see it again, and trying to decide whether to go 3D...if it was used really well and worth it.
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I did.  Didn't think it added much to the viewing.  I don't remember any instances where I thought that I was glad I saw a particular scene or effect in 3D.  It didn't take away from my enjoyment of the movie, but didn't enhance it.  My son felt the same way.

 
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