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***Official*** Miami Dolphins 2014 Off/In Season (2 Viewers)

Miami is still going to need to draft at least 2-3 OL. I agree you build thru the draft.

LT-Albert, LG-Garner(weak), C-Poncey(Susp Looming?), RG-Mystery(Dallas), RT-Mr Nobody

We still need to sign a couple warm bodies and then we gotta draft a couple more. You can't just have a starter with no bench. What happens when Albert misses 2-3 games? I think Miami has to be committed to the draft in 2014 and 2015 trying to retool the OL. Also will need to groom a LT replacement for Albert who is really on a 3 year deal. Only position I feel good about beyond 2014 is actually Albert who is locked in for 3 years. Pouncey on the last year and is the remaining bully from the group if you want to go there, he's a reminder of that terrible event. I don't think Miami will re-sign him, they let Long walk with 4 Pro Bowls in 5 years, #1 overall pick, Pouncey somewhere else in 2015 would not be a surprise.

I think Miami is doing well on defense, they need to get Jordan active and a bigger part of it somehow. Starks, Grimes, Finnegan, all solid re-signs or signings. They will do more and the development of the 2013 draft class is crucial because so far they grade out as either Inc or F.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Miami is still going to need to draft at least 2-3 OL. I agree you build thru the draft.

LT-Albert, LG-Garner(weak), C-Poncey(Susp Looming?), RG-Mystery(Dallas), RT-Mr Nobody

We still need to sign a couple warm bodies and then we gotta draft a couple more. You can't just have a starter with no bench. What happens when Albert misses 2-3 games? I think Miami has to be committed to the draft in 2014 and 2015 trying to retool the OL. Also will need to groom a LT replacement for Albert who is really on a 3 year deal. Only position I feel good about beyond 2014 is actually Albert who is locked in for 3 years. Pouncey on the last year and is the remaining bully from the group if you want to go there, he's a reminder of that terrible event. I don't think Miami will re-sign him, they let Long walk with 4 Pro Bowls in 5 years, #1 overall pick, Pouncey somewhere else in 2015 would not be a surprise.

I think Miami is doing well on defense, they need to get Jordan active and a bigger part of it somehow. Starks, Grimes, Finnegan, all solid re-signs or signings. They will do more and the development of the 2013 draft class is crucial because so far they grade out as either Inc or F.
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I think they signed Shelley Smith to start at one of the guard spots. Also, Ross has come out over the past couple of days with mad praise for Mike Pouncey. I bet they lock him up long term, and I personally welcome it. Still dont really understand what he did that has drawn so much ire from you, and I am very well versed on all of the events in bullygate.

Starting OL as of today looks like this:

Albert - Smith - Pouncey - Dallas Thomas/Nate Garner - Rookie

It has the potential to not be terrible. I would settle for that in 2014.

 
ChuckLiddell said:
I like this one. Don't know the contract details, but assuming we didn't overpay, I like the player. Brings a winning mindset, can pass-block, can break tackles, and can catch the ball.


Knowshon Moreno - RB - Dolphins
Dolphins agreed to terms with RB Knowshon Moreno, formerly of the Broncos, on a one-year contract.

Related: Broncos

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
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I think he looked good with Manning in front of him but we needed an upgrade and he is way better than Daniel Thomas and more consistent than Lamar Miller who can now be the COP back. I think Moreno can pass block pretty well so that's good. He should fare well here.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
ChuckLiddell said:
I like this one. Don't know the contract details, but assuming we didn't overpay, I like the player. Brings a winning mindset, can pass-block, can break tackles, and can catch the ball.


Knowshon Moreno - RB - Dolphins
Dolphins agreed to terms with RB Knowshon Moreno, formerly of the Broncos, on a one-year contract.

Related: Broncos

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
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I think he looked good with Manning in front of him but we needed an upgrade and he is way better than Daniel Thomas and more consistent than Lamar Miller who can now be the COP back. I think Moreno can pass block pretty well so that's good. He should fare well here.
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What are the chances Gillislee gets cut and replaced by someone in the draft?

 
cstu said:
Ministry of Pain said:
ChuckLiddell said:
I like this one. Don't know the contract details, but assuming we didn't overpay, I like the player. Brings a winning mindset, can pass-block, can break tackles, and can catch the ball.


Knowshon Moreno - RB - Dolphins
Dolphins agreed to terms with RB Knowshon Moreno, formerly of the Broncos, on a one-year contract.

Related: Broncos

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
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I think he looked good with Manning in front of him but we needed an upgrade and he is way better than Daniel Thomas and more consistent than Lamar Miller who can now be the COP back. I think Moreno can pass block pretty well so that's good. He should fare well here.
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What are the chances Gillislee gets cut and replaced by someone in the draft?
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Havent heard a single good thing said about him. Not much bad either...really a lot of nothing. Get the sense there is nothing to see there. I would say that with the depth at RB in this draft, I wouldn't be surprised to see him and Daniel Thomas replaced.

 
ChuckLiddell said:
I like this one. Don't know the contract details, but assuming we didn't overpay, I like the player. Brings a winning mindset, can pass-block, can break tackles, and can catch the ball.


Knowshon Moreno - RB - Dolphins
Dolphins agreed to terms with RB Knowshon Moreno, formerly of the Broncos, on a one-year contract.

Related: Broncos

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
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Would've liked MJD since I've been a fan of his for a while, but this a good move. The pass blocking he will bring is a big win. Really impressed how he fought back from being inactive on game day to a starter.

Still would like to see a bigger back added in the draft.

 
From Rotoworld...

Philly Mag doesn't believe the Dion Jordan-to-Eagles trade talks are "dead" and thinks OLB/DE Brandon Graham and the No. 22 overall pick would get it done.
We don't doubt the 22nd pick in May's draft alone would net the Eagles Jordan. But we do doubt the Eagles would part with the pick in the deal. A report surfaced on Thursday that Philadelphia offered Graham and its second-round pick to Miami in exchange for last year's No. 3 overall pick. Both coach Chip Kelly and vice president of player personnel Tom Gamble are said to "covet" Jordan.

From Chuck...
In this draft, the 22nd overall is a really good pick. I would not be upset if we got that pick and Graham. The 2nd rounder and Graham would mean we either made a horrid trade last year, or we are making one this year.
 
ChuckLiddell said:
From Rotoworld...

Philly Mag doesn't believe the Dion Jordan-to-Eagles trade talks are "dead" and thinks OLB/DE Brandon Graham and the No. 22 overall pick would get it done.
We don't doubt the 22nd pick in May's draft alone would net the Eagles Jordan. But we do doubt the Eagles would part with the pick in the deal. A report surfaced on Thursday that Philadelphia offered Graham and its second-round pick to Miami in exchange for last year's No. 3 overall pick. Both coach Chip Kelly and vice president of player personnel Tom Gamble are said to "covet" Jordan.

From Chuck...
In this draft, the 22nd overall is a really good pick. I would not be upset if we got that pick and Graham. The 2nd rounder and Graham would mean we either made a horrid trade last year, or we are making one this year.
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Lot's of talk up on the Philly radio that this could be the draft day deal. Not sure if it would be early on so Miami can package something to move up and get a top OT or if it will be a wait and see who is there at 22 type deal. I didn't like moving up last year to get what wasn't a major position of need in my book and if it was primarily Ireland's doing I would rather they admit it was a mistake and get something out of it then try and make a square peg fit in a round hole for 2 years and kill any value the guys has.

 
You see.....I disagree. It is a position of need. Elite pass rushers are probably next to a franhcise QB the most important position in the NFL today. How do you combat a passing league? Cause disruption in the timing and rhytm of WR's and QB's by getting to the QB fast.

Cameron Wake is old.

He will need to be replaced very soon. I thought The Dolphins clearly saw this and moved up to grab a DE with freakish physical atrributes and a high football IQ. Everything I have read about Dion Jordan has been very positive. I saw him play in his limited time last year......and his burst off the edge is freaskish indeed. You just don't give up an potential elite talent like Jordan like this. Give him plenty of PT this year and let him loose.

I understand we need help on OL......we have for a decade. But we signed Albert and can draft some good young tackles/guards in the draft (hopefully). Heck they have wasted valuable 2nd and 3rd round picks on guys who have busted along the OL the last several years.

Obviously there are no guarentees.

I just find it crazy we are trading a kid....#3 overall this quickly. If that is the case I stand by the fact Ross is no idea who he hires, Philbin should have been fired along with Ireland this off-season and Ross really missed on a chance to completely clean house.

I still think Philbin will be an absolute failure as a head coach.......and I would not be shocked if this team comes out of the gates 2-6, 3-8, he will be fired mid season.

He better be fired if they do not have a drastic turnaround this season. I think Philbin masterfully shifted the blame to Ireland for everything that went wrong when in reality he had no handle on the talent that he was given. He has not coached up this team at all. And his staff stunk up the joint last season.

Losing those last two games was the nail in his coffin for me. Absolutely horrid coaching to the highest degree. He is not a leader of men.

Sorry he is not. And if they trade Jordan..........shame on them for everything they have done. What a freaking disaster of a front office and coaching staff we have down here.

Just flat out embarrising.

As far as making Jordan, a round piece trying to fit into a square hole? I believe the square hole is Philbin and his vision and head coaching ability.

It stinks.

Green Bay fans can tell me how great of a football mind he is.....I am sure he is brilliant. But being a leader of men and a great HC takes something special. He does not posess that "it" that is needed to be a great HC.

 
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Looking at the scheduled released last night I have them 9-7 or 10-6, if they start 2-2 which I think is likely (win Buffalo and Oakland, lose New England and KC). If they can some how start 3-1, especially with wins over NE and Buffalo maybe it propels them. I don't like starting against the Patriots at all. Have to hope for a really hot, humid day and make them wear the dark blue uni's.

 
SwampDawg said:
Looking at the scheduled released last night I have them 9-7 or 10-6, if they start 2-2 which I think is likely (win Buffalo and Oakland, lose New England and KC). If they can some how start 3-1, especially with wins over NE and Buffalo maybe it propels them. I don't like starting against the Patriots at all. Have to hope for a really hot, humid day and make them wear the dark blue uni's.
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I really like the early season NE game....Seems like Miami, in recent years, has played both late in the year negating the home field advantage of the heat and having to deal with this winter BS.

 
Going to be an interesting draft, I could see them trading up for a Lewan. Staying put and taking Martin (although more and more looks like he goes before 19), Mosely or a WR, Or trade down and taking a Su'a-Filo or JaWuan James late in the first.

 
SwampDawg said:
Going to be an interesting draft, I could see them trading up for a Lewan. Staying put and taking Martin (although more and more looks like he goes before 19), Mosely or a WR, Or trade down and taking a Su'a-Filo or JaWuan James late in the first.
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Absolute best player available on your big board regardless of position.

Get an impact player.....I don't care (except a K,P).

If Martin is indeed gone but Mosely is there......snag him. He is a seek and destroy LB.......we need that badly.

 
Omar Kelly just did a beat writers draft where all of the players listed above were gone at 19, and there was no option to trade down. He had to choose between Marquise Lee, or reaching for Morgan Moses or Calvin Pryor. He chose none, and went with his BPA, which was Blake Bortles (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/dolphins-blog/sfl-let-me-explain-myself-on-blake-bortles-20140504,0,5947441.story)

Would be quite a predicament IMO - especially if there was not a good trade down option. My guess is that we would take Lee in this scenario, but it would be a very unsatisfying pick. Cant see them spending a 1st on a QB this year under any circumstances, but I can understand some of Omar's points. Particularly the point that Hickey serves his own best interests by doing so. If Tannehill is the real deal, they make the playoffs, and his job is safe - then he looks to trade Bortles in a Kevin Kolbesque deal. If he is not, then he saw it coming, and drafted his replacement at a value. He didn't draft Tannehill, so unless both of them bust, he comes out of it just fine.

 
ChuckLiddell said:
Omar Kelly just did a beat writers draft where all of the players listed above were gone at 19, and there was no option to trade down. He had to choose between Marquise Lee, or reaching for Morgan Moses or Calvin Pryor. He chose none, and went with his BPA, which was Blake Bortles (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/dolphins-blog/sfl-let-me-explain-myself-on-blake-bortles-20140504,0,5947441.story)

Would be quite a predicament IMO - especially if there was not a good trade down option. My guess is that we would take Lee in this scenario, but it would be a very unsatisfying pick. Cant see them spending a 1st on a QB this year under any circumstances, but I can understand some of Omar's points. Particularly the point that Hickey serves his own best interests by doing so. If Tannehill is the real deal, they make the playoffs, and his job is safe - then he looks to trade Bortles in a Kevin Kolbesque deal. If he is not, then he saw it coming, and drafted his replacement at a value. He didn't draft Tannehill, so unless both of them bust, he comes out of it just fine.
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Just saw the mock draft. Despite the explanation, I'd never make that pick. I don't consider Bortles noticeably superior to Tannehill, and even Omar admits as much. It's a pick made to cover the GM's behind, not one made to genuinely improve the team. In that sense, I suppose the pick is grounded in reality, but it's awful.

 
Abrantes said:
ChuckLiddell said:
Omar Kelly just did a beat writers draft where all of the players listed above were gone at 19, and there was no option to trade down. He had to choose between Marquise Lee, or reaching for Morgan Moses or Calvin Pryor. He chose none, and went with his BPA, which was Blake Bortles (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/dolphins-blog/sfl-let-me-explain-myself-on-blake-bortles-20140504,0,5947441.story)

Would be quite a predicament IMO - especially if there was not a good trade down option. My guess is that we would take Lee in this scenario, but it would be a very unsatisfying pick. Cant see them spending a 1st on a QB this year under any circumstances, but I can understand some of Omar's points. Particularly the point that Hickey serves his own best interests by doing so. If Tannehill is the real deal, they make the playoffs, and his job is safe - then he looks to trade Bortles in a Kevin Kolbesque deal. If he is not, then he saw it coming, and drafted his replacement at a value. He didn't draft Tannehill, so unless both of them bust, he comes out of it just fine.
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Just saw the mock draft. Despite the explanation, I'd never make that pick. I don't consider Bortles noticeably superior to Tannehill, and even Omar admits as much. It's a pick made to cover the GM's behind, not one made to genuinely improve the team. In that sense, I suppose the pick is grounded in reality, but it's awful.
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100% agree with you. It would be a big red flag if they drafted a QB early in this draft. Signifies either that they don't believe in Tannehill, or that Hickey is a GM out to serve his own best interests, not those of the team.

 
I do believe they'll grab a QB in the mid rounds. If someone like Murray is there in the 4th, that could be a good one.

 
Really hoping they can trade down tomorrow. Looks likely Martin and Mosley will be off the board. Some of the other names circling are just not good at all. If they can't get out they need to take the BPA even if it is secondary, WR, or TE. Not reach for a 2nd round lineman or weakside LB.

 
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Agreed...if your top 3 guys are gone at 19......trade down. It's a deep draft at WR. We can use another young WR....badly. OT in the 2nd and 3rd rounds can be had too.

 
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Noise from Armando is really sounding like James at RT will be the likely pick. Even though he should be available later, I don't hate it. I have long rated him the highest pure RT on the board and he will be a day one starter.

 
Slapdash said:
Noise from Armando is really sounding like James at RT will be the likely pick. Even though he should be available later, I don't hate it. I have long rated him the highest pure RT on the board and he will be a day one starter.
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As long as they take a solid OL or WR I'll probably be happy with the pick. If they go QB or LB/DL I will lose my mind.

 
hxperson said:
Slapdash said:
Noise from Armando is really sounding like James at RT will be the likely pick. Even though he should be available later, I don't hate it. I have long rated him the highest pure RT on the board and he will be a day one starter.
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As long as they take a solid OL or WR I'll probably be happy with the pick. If they go QB or LB/DL I will lose my mind.
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LB is fine with me if its Mosley, although Borland later would be good. Shazier would be awful

 
Slapdash said:
hxperson said:
Slapdash said:
Noise from Armando is really sounding like James at RT will be the likely pick. Even though he should be available later, I don't hate it. I have long rated him the highest pure RT on the board and he will be a day one starter.
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As long as they take a solid OL or WR I'll probably be happy with the pick. If they go QB or LB/DL I will lose my mind.
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LB is fine with me if its Mosley, although Borland later would be good. Shazier would be awful
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I don't mind an LB after rd 1 as it is definitely a need but OL and WR are far more pressing imo.

 
hxperson said:
Slapdash said:
hxperson said:
Slapdash said:
Noise from Armando is really sounding like James at RT will be the likely pick. Even though he should be available later, I don't hate it. I have long rated him the highest pure RT on the board and he will be a day one starter.
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As long as they take a solid OL or WR I'll probably be happy with the pick. If they go QB or LB/DL I will lose my mind.
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LB is fine with me if its Mosley, although Borland later would be good. Shazier would be awful
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I don't mind an LB after rd 1 as it is definitely a need but OL and WR are far more pressing imo.
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I agree if the WR is a redzone target. Wouldn't have a problem with Ebron either.

 
Slapdash, why do you think that Shazier would be awful?

He's the second best LB of the draft and probably has the highest ceiling. We could use his speed

 
Mike63 said:
Slapdash, why do you think that Shazier would be awful?

He's the second best LB of the draft and probably has the highest ceiling. We could use his speed
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If Miami drafts a LB it needs to be a MLB in my view. Shazier is more suited to play weakside from what I've read.

 
Like the player, dont the like slot we picked him in. Especially since the Saints moved up to 20 as soon as we made our selection. So Hickey is not in fact a BPA guy :rolleyes: But hey, this is a very good player who was undervalued by the draft comminity. He will start day 1 at RT and hopefully will keep Tannehill on his feet.

Still wouldve preferred a playmaker, but Ive been saying that since Ted Ginn.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Miami has around $36M to spend minus about $8M for the rookies so that's 28M.

I would say in order of need...

LCB-Brent Grimes

DT-Paul Soliai/Randy Starks

1st and 2nd round will be OL picks, you can almost bet the house right now. Miami has some room under the cap but it could be gone quick.
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All they can really do is resign those guys, pick OL the first several times, and hope to have a better coaching staff. Maybe bring in a RB.
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:goodposting:

Get a guard in round two now.

 
Not a sexy exciting pick but everything points to this kid coming in and playing RT for the next 8 to 10 years. Now get Su'a-Filo in round 2 and the line is set.

 
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Not a sexy exciting pick but everything points to this kid coming in and playing RT for the next 8 to 10 years. Now get Su'a-Filo in round 2 and the line is set.
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Bitonio may make it, doubt Su'a-Filo will.

 
I would rather skip an OG in round 2 and get a playmaker - either Marqise Lee or Allen Robinson. IMO Lee may be the better overall player but Robinson fits our needs more as a big body who can get off the line and has a 42' vertical.

My reasoning is as follows - contrary to popular belief, the sacks are not all the fault of the OL (even though its a dire need area). Tannehill holds the ball for too long and needs players who can get open quickly given that his pocket presence is still not where it needs to be. Wallace is a good vertical threat but takes time to hit top speed and get open. Hartline and Gibson will never be those guys. Tannehill is not a Brees or Brady type player that he can turn an average WR corps into a top 10 offense. He could however turn into a Matt Ryan type player who excels if hes surrounded by top notch weapons. The problem is that right now our WR's are amongst the least threatening in the league.

Tannehill will not turn the corner until we sufficiently address this area IMO. I still rue the day we traded Brandon Marshall. :(

 
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What about a potential stud RB who can catch passes?
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Dont think that will sufficiently open up the offense. We also just let Reggie Bush walk. Plus I dont think theres anyone in round two whose worth it.

BTW really wish MOP hadnt left the boards right now. He always shined this time of year - :(

 
I'd really love Hyde or Mason.

I still think they need to get a guard soon, regardless of who the BPA is. The lack of guards on the roster who should be starters is just too big to ignore. I do agree that adding a WR or TE would be great afterwards...

 
Would have liked to see Miami grab Bryant or Seastrunk with this next pick...

OL is about as good as we could have hoped after the year:

Albert -- Turner -- Pouncey -- Smith -- James

Yankey and Tiny Richardson are still out there, would not be opposed to adding more talent.

How does everyone feel about the Landry pick? Seems like a solid, reliable possession guy.

 
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I like James and Turner, shores up the OL, and Landry plays faster than his time (like Boldin, he improved his combine 40 time at his pro day). He reminds scouts of a smaller Boldin/Hines Ward, called pound for pound one of the toughest players in the draft, has great hands.

Very solid draft, imo.

* With Albert, MIA may have the most dramatically improved OL. James was called a reach, but might have been the best RT prospect in the draft, and with guards like XSF and Bitonio going high in the second, no guarantee he lasts to their next pick. Perhaps a trade down would have been best, but reportedly they tried?

Turner is a small school LT but has a lot of athleticism and big time tools and upside at guard.

Upgraded OL play may help Tannehill click with Wallace, and Landry should be an outstanding security blanket, more talented than the TEs on the roster.

The Dolphins improved (though so did the Jets and Bills) and could push for the playoffs again. It would help if they could get creative with DE Jordan and unlock his value. I still think he has star potential. Freaky athlete for the position, he needs to physically mature and develop, but will be worth the wait, Jason Taylor-type traits and skills.

 
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