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Stealthycat said:
Average Local Salary: A middle-class salary in Costa Rica averages USD $750. In smaller cities, a monthly income is roughly $450 (which just above the country’s minimum age). These fluctuate by region/city.

5 million people, a bit smaller that West Virginia ... 

you're going to compare the USA to Costa Rica !!!  
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So CR is  poor and can do it, but the wealthiest nation in the world can't do it because... scale? 

That's seriously your argument? :lol:  

 
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[icon] said:
So CR is  poor and can do it, but the wealthiest nation in the world can't do it because... scale? 

That's seriously your argument? :lol:  
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its exactly the argument

The most important measure in the energy balance of Costa Rica is the total consumption of 9.81 billion kWh of electric energy per year. Per capita this is an average of 1,909 kWh.

Electricity consumption in the United States was about 3.9 trillion (kWh) in 2021

if every car were electric, we'd need 14 billion kWh of energy to charge them all (on average).Sep 12, 2021

now imagine all industry using electric vs fossil fules 

now, understand how Costra Rica gets its electricity - they use hydropower ... Costa Rica has a total installed hydropower capacity of 1,834 MW, providing about 6,720 GWh/year, which represents more than two thirds of the nation's total power production. ... the USA ?? Hydropower currently accounts for 31.5% of total U.S. renewable electricity generation and about 6.3% of total U.S. electricity generation..... The United States has a total hydropower installed capacity of almost 103,000 MW

do you understand better now ??

 
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Boston said:
This is a big issue locally as I am sure it is elsewhere...somehow you gotta make seniority less important and the pork needs to be reigned in...it is all about the purse strings and once someone gets some power, they can make the $ flow to their district so while people may not like him/her they may be better off with them because they can deliver...it's almost like legalized Mafia.
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I honestly don't think it's even the $.

For example Kentucky's 5th district is one of the poorest in the nation with a median household income of $35,000. And yet most people living there have never had a representative not named Hal Rodgers or Tim Lee Carter. That is 29 straight elections those 2 Republicans won. The last election Hal won with 85% of the votes. 

John Conyers in SE Michigan presided over the economic collapse of the very blue collar auto focused district as he served from 1965-2017. I am sure he was bringing in pork but it was nothing compared to money and industry being lost during his tenure. 

 
Ilov80s said:
John Conyers in SE Michigan presided over the economic collapse of the very blue collar auto focused district as he served from 1965-2017. I am sure he was bringing in pork but it was nothing compared to money and industry being lost during his tenure. 
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He led the most dramatic urban collapse since Rome (maybe a bit overstated, but it was a catastrophic collapse).  And he was celebrated on his retirement.  A bit mind boggling.

 
John123 said:
I looked at your first link.  Besides being from a source as credible as Breitbart, it's basically just an opinion piece regurgitating left wing talking points.  And it has a large focus on Trump's wall, and the various claims he made about it.  I don't care about Trump's wall.  I care about what works.  And where walls/fencing have been deployed there have been extremely significant reductions in crossings.  I've posted links before.  I'm not going to again, but you're welcome to do research beyond the Cato institute if you're so inclined. 
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Cato is far more credible than Breitbart...really hard to take this seriously if that is your take.

And ive read plenty of studies beyond Cato (which is pretty highly credible)...many seem to point to the inefficiency of walls which is where I have come down over the years.

 
Stealthycat said:
its exactly the argument

The most important measure in the energy balance of Costa Rica is the total consumption of 9.81 billion kWh of electric energy per year. Per capita this is an average of 1,909 kWh.

Electricity consumption in the United States was about 3.9 trillion (kWh) in 2021

if every car were electric, we'd need 14 billion kWh of energy to charge them all (on average).Sep 12, 2021

now imagine all industry using electric vs fossil fules 

now, understand how Costra Rica gets its electricity - they use hydropower ... Costa Rica has a total installed hydropower capacity of 1,834 MW, providing about 6,720 GWh/year, which represents more than two thirds of the nation's total power production. ... the USA ?? Hydropower currently accounts for 31.5% of total U.S. renewable electricity generation and about 6.3% of total U.S. electricity generation..... The United States has a total hydropower installed capacity of almost 103,000 MW

do you understand better now ??
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I DO understand that you are doing nothing but cutting and pasting statistics from Google.

Current estimates from a Yale study show that the cost to go to a fully renewable grid in the US would be between $4-5 trillion.

80/20 rule indicates that to get to 50% renewable would run well under half that. 

this isn't a black/white all or none proposal so please stop with the straw men. It's either ignorant or disingenuous..... you pick. 

With sufficient investment we are ABSOLUTELY capable of moving a sizeable portion if not the majority of our grid to renewable sources in the next decade. 
 

 
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Ilov80s said:
I honestly don't think it's even the $.

For example Kentucky's 5th district is one of the poorest in the nation with a median household income of $35,000. And yet most people living there have never had a representative not named Hal Rodgers or Tim Lee Carter. That is 29 straight elections those 2 Republicans won. The last election Hal won with 85% of the votes. 

John Conyers in SE Michigan presided over the economic collapse of the very blue collar auto focused district as he served from 1965-2017. I am sure he was bringing in pork but it was nothing compared to money and industry being lost during his tenure. 
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in Massachusetts it is a big part of it…you can get rid of your old-timer but don’t expect any $ coming into your district anytime soon…Mass politics is a sewer though so maybe it Is different in other states.

 
Sand said:
He led the most dramatic urban collapse since Rome (maybe a bit overstated, but it was a catastrophic collapse).  And he was celebrated on his retirement.  A bit mind boggling.
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He wasn't Caesar. The economic collapse of Detroit was a much much larger issue than 1 rep in 1 district. The dominos were already falling when he came into office. The celebration was more for his work in Civil Rights (he marched in Selma), his military service, accomplishments as a Black man, establishment of MLK Day as a holiday, etc. He did try to run for mayor of Detroit twice and never got past the primary so he didn't have overwhelming approval across the whole city. My point in bringing up Conyers and the 2 GOP reps from Kentucky is that I don't think re-election for Congress has anything to do with pork or money. I bet most people have no idea what pork or federal money has entered or left the district. 

 
Ilov80s said:
He wasn't Caesar. The economic collapse of Detroit was a much much larger issue than 1 rep in 1 district. The dominos were already falling when he came into office. The celebration was more for his work in Civil Rights (he marched in Selma), his military service, accomplishments as a Black man, establishment of MLK Day as a holiday, etc. He did try to run for mayor of Detroit twice and never got past the primary so he didn't have overwhelming approval across the whole city. My point in bringing up Conyers and the 2 GOP reps from Kentucky is that I don't think re-election for Congress has anything to do with pork or money. I bet most people have no idea what pork or federal money has entered or left the district. 
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Here we disagree…do you think a Union will endorse a candidate that can not deliver to them?  The root of all evil is almost always $ and much of our government is rigged so certain people have more access than others…as I said before, it is legalized Mafia.

 
Boston said:
in Massachusetts it is a big part of it…you can get rid of your old-timer but don’t expect any $ coming into your district anytime soon…Mass politics is a sewer though so maybe it Is different in other states.
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If the district is well off, I get it. Keep the gray train rolling. But if you live Western Detroit and have seen 20 years of economic decline, who cares about a few pork projects? If you live in rural Kentucky and it's been decades sitting at some of the lowest quality of living in the country, it seems clear that pork coming to the district isn't doing a darn thing. 

 
Ilov80s said:
If the district is well off, I get it. Keep the gray train rolling. But if you live Western Detroit and have seen 20 years of economic decline, who cares about a few pork projects? If you live in rural Kentucky and it's been decades sitting at some of the lowest quality of living in the country, it seems clear that pork coming to the district isn't doing a darn thing. 
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It is not about who is well off, it is about power…we have had Speakers who represented small urban areas that were from from well off and the $ flows in…the issue is there no accountability once it gets there.

 
Boston said:
Here we disagree…do you think a Union will endorse a candidate that can not deliver to them?  The root of all evil is almost always $ and much of our government is rigged so certain people have more access than others…as I said before, it is legalized Mafia.
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People don't have to vote for who their union suggested or who their pastor is pushing. Also, lets not pretend like the next Democrat won't still cozy up to the union or the next Republican in won't also stand up for the local Christian establishment. 

 
Ilov80s said:
People don't have to vote for who their union suggested or who their pastor is pushing. Also, lets not pretend like the next Democrat won't still cozy up to the union or the next Republican in won't also stand up for the local Christian establishment. 
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We are gonna have to agree to disagree…the local politics you see is far different than the one I see.

 
[icon] said:
I DO understand that you are doing nothing but cutting and pasting statistics from Google.

Current estimates from a Yale study show that the cost to go to a fully renewable grid in the US would be between $4-5 trillion.

80/20 rule indicates that to get to 50% renewable would run well under half that. 

this isn't a black/white all or none proposal so please stop with the straw men. It's either ignorant or disingenuous..... you pick. 

With sufficient investment we are ABSOLUTELY capable of moving a sizeable portion if not the majority of our grid to renewable sources in the next decade. 
 
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you are ignoring everything - the USA produces and uses vast amounts more electricity right now compared to Costa Rica .... and its just a small % of what we need

you think 4-5 trillion ?  lol ... 4-5 trillion wouldn't cover the electric car conversion, much less homes, much less industry

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-11-04/electric-cars-face-a-6-trillion-barrier-to-widespread-adoption

son you've been lied to bigly

 
Boston said:
We are gonna have to agree to disagree…the local politics you see is far different than the one I see.
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Fair. In the end, I just feel people have the ability to vote differently but they don't. Plain and simple. I don't see a way out of the problem. 

 
Ilov80s said:
He wasn't Caesar. The economic collapse of Detroit was a much much larger issue than 1 rep in 1 district. The dominos were already falling when he came into office. The celebration was more for his work in Civil Rights (he marched in Selma), his military service, accomplishments as a Black man, establishment of MLK Day as a holiday, etc. He did try to run for mayor of Detroit twice and never got past the primary so he didn't have overwhelming approval across the whole city. My point in bringing up Conyers and the 2 GOP reps from Kentucky is that I don't think re-election for Congress has anything to do with pork or money. I bet most people have no idea what pork or federal money has entered or left the district. 
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Can we put in 2 reps in 2 districts?  John Dingell served even longer and was even more culpable for watching Detroit collapse.  Your point about Conyer's other accomplishments are certainly noted.

And the voters there put in his wife after he left. :loco:

 
Stealthycat said:
you are ignoring everything - the USA produces and uses vast amounts more electricity right now compared to Costa Rica .... and its just a small % of what we need

you think 4-5 trillion ?  lol ... 4-5 trillion wouldn't cover the electric car conversion, much less homes, much less industry

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-11-04/electric-

Stealthycat said:
you are ignoring everything - the USA produces and uses vast amounts more electricity right now compared to Costa Rica .... and its just a small % of what we need

you think 4-5 trillion ?  lol ... 4-5 trillion wouldn't cover the electric car conversion, much less homes, much less industry

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-11-04/electric-cars-face-a-6-trillion-barrier-to-widespread-adoption

son you've been lied to bigly
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cars-face-a-6-trillion-barrier-to-widespread-adoption

son you've been lied to bigly
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Much like in the 2A thread, your fringe views are poisoned by bad info, flawed logic, and miserably out of touch with reality.  Hell even the staunch 2A folks like myself don't even take you seriously in there anymore. 

You're wrong....  and you'll see why. 

 
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Sand said:
Can we put in 2 reps in 2 districts?  John Dingell served even longer and was even more culpable for watching Detroit collapse.  Your point about Conyer's other accomplishments are certainly noted.

And the voters there put in his wife after he left. :loco:
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I know a teacher who grew up as Debbie's neighbor. He had not a single nice thing to say about her. 

 
In other news - last year's 5.9% COLA for SS was the largest since 1982.  This year may well be 10%+.  

"If inflation runs 'hot' or higher than the recent average, the COLA could be 11.4%," Mary Johnson, SCL Social Security and Medicare policy analyst, told 401k Specialist.

"If inflation runs 'cold' or lower than the recent average, the COLA could be 9.8%."

That's going to take a bite out of the budget and substantially reduce the amount of time until SS is depleted and the rest of us get a pro rata payout instead of the full payout we've been paying for.

 
[icon] said:
I do too, but I want the water coming into my home in a controlled manner via the appropriate channels, not through a failing structure. 

You're pretty much alone on this stance, too, might I add. 

How many illegal immigrants would you like to see entering the nation annually? 

One million? 5 million? 25 million?  
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I know I’m alone. At least around here. 
 

I can’t answer your question. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Fair. In the end, I just feel people have the ability to vote differently but they don't. Plain and simple. I don't see a way out of the problem. 
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I write this understanding it's not this simple, but succinctly until our citizenry behaves differently there is no way out of the bolded problem. If we are going to be simple minded lemmings that vote for proven failures then that's our way of saying we accept failure. No legislation exists within our framework to correct that problem - and I don't think we should consider modifying anything to allow for it either. It's on us to change.

 
Boston said:
Agree...the issue I have is there are people reflexively against it, but nothing else has worked and I see no other alternatives that make sense...it is like when you first start working and you see a problem and you go to your Boss and tell him/her about it and they say no s***, what's your solution...that is how I feel about many of the anti-wall/security people.
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This is probably an unintentionally dumb inquiry, so please pardon me as I generally disengaged myself from all things immigration years ago. I don't think either party has any interest in resolving the problem, so while I dismiss the criticisms from team red amidst this current power dynamic I similarly dismissed the criticisms from team blue when they weren't in power in 2017 and 2018. The flow of immigration is like sink water - the last admin just shoved a rag in the drain and this one just removed it. Both are bad policy and I think there is a fair argument both are rooted in a variety of nefarious intentions. Eff 'em both and eff those that support one or the other. 

But anyway - from my disengaged perspective thousands of miles away the problem seems to center around processing. There are more humans that try to gain access to our country than we have the capacity to process at the border and based on our existing laws even if we had the capacity there aren't enough citizenships to give to those qualified anyway. So...get more humans there to process and allow for more to enter. It can't be that simple, right?

And just to get in front of this - putting my morals about wanting more immigration aside from a practicality perspective we need them anyway. We have serious birth rate issues in this country that are only worsening. There are lots of reasons why we've (d)evolved into our current state but we have staffing shortages across most industry, relatively low unemployment, and increased pressure on wages. I think that last factor is a good thing - the labor market having leverage is long overdue. We need more bodies though. And we're not developing them. So we need them from elsewhere.

We don't need to allocate our resources right now to preventing more people from entering - we need to allocate them to getting more of these people legally into our country. And while it may be read that way by some that's not from an anti security perspective. Security is important, but from here that does not appear to be the primary problem. Please correct me if/where I'm wrong.

 
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Just when we thought we could not go lower than Trump.  Bidens rating are now lower.

NBC News: Mark Murray - 1h ago

Biden's approval ratings hit all-time lows in CNBC poll.

A new CNBC poll, conducted by the same polling firms that helm the NBC News poll, finds President Joe Biden’s overall approval rating sinking to 36% among all adults, while his approval rating for handling the economy has fallen to 30% — both all-time lows for the president in CNBC polling. 

 
[icon] said:
Much like in the 2A thread, your fringe views are poisoned by bad info, flawed logic, and miserably out of touch with reality.  Hell even the staunch 2A folks like myself don't even take you seriously in there anymore. 

You're wrong....  and you'll see why. 
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I gave you link that showed just for getting electric cars alone is costs more than 4-5 trillion ...... you can't refute that ?

Look, Costa Rica is small, poor, they use hydroelectric and the USA dwarfs them already in hydroelectric production, electric usage and the enormous amount of electricity we'd have to produce to go all electric isn't going to come from damming more rives and its not going to come from a billion acres of solar panels either

a house can do it, a small poor country can possibly do it .... a country like the USA isn't nowhere near capable unless there is a viable new energy source

period, end of story 

 
Summer Wheat said:
Just when we thought we could not go lower than Trump.  Bidens rating are now lower.

NBC News: Mark Murray - 1h ago

Biden's approval ratings hit all-time lows in CNBC poll.

A new CNBC poll, conducted by the same polling firms that helm the NBC News poll, finds President Joe Biden’s overall approval rating sinking to 36% among all adults, while his approval rating for handling the economy has fallen to 30% — both all-time lows for the president in CNBC polling. 
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I would imagine this is liberating for him in a way. Doesn’t have to worry about popularity or winning the next election- he can do what he wants. 

 
MAC_32 said:
This is probably an unintentionally dumb inquiry, so please pardon me as I generally disengaged myself from all things immigration years ago. I don't think either party has any interest in resolving the problem, so while I dismiss the criticisms from team red amidst this current power dynamic I similarly dismissed the criticisms from team blue when they weren't in power in 2017 and 2018. The flow of immigration is like sink water - the last admin just shoved a rag in the drain and this one just removed it. Both are bad policy and I think there is a fair argument both are rooted in a variety of nefarious intentions. Eff 'em both and eff those that support one or the other. 

But anyway - from my disengaged perspective thousands of miles away the problem seems to center around processing. There are more humans that try to gain access to our country than we have the capacity to process at the border and based on our existing laws even if we had the capacity there aren't enough citizenships to give to those qualified anyway. So...get more humans there to process and allow for more to enter. It can't be that simple, right?

And just to get in front of this - putting my morals about wanting more immigration aside from a practicality perspective we need them anyway. We have serious birth rate issues in this country that are only worsening. There are lots of reasons why we've (d)evolved into our current state but we have staffing shortages across most industry, relatively low unemployment, and increased pressure on wages. I think that last factor is a good thing - the labor market having leverage is long overdue. We need more bodies though. And we're not developing them. So we need them from elsewhere.

We don't need to allocate our resources right now to preventing more people from entering - we need to allocate them to getting more of these people legally into our country. And while it may be read that way by some that's not from an anti security perspective. Security is important, but from here that does not appear to be the primary problem. Please correct me if/where I'm wrong.
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I don't disagree...as long as it is done legally bring in people who want part of the American dream and make sure you keep out the criminals, gangsters, drug dealers, terrorists and any others with a bad past ...you just can't have a free-for-all at the border...call it security or processing or whatever else we need to be in control of it.

 
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sho nuff said:
Cato is far more credible than Breitbart...really hard to take this seriously if that is your take.

And ive read plenty of studies beyond Cato (which is pretty highly credible)...many seem to point to the inefficiency of walls which is where I have come down over the years.
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Yeah. Cato is credible, albeit biased towards what used to be considered libertarian or classical liberal views.

 
Stealthycat said:
you are ignoring everything - the USA produces and uses vast amounts more electricity right now compared to Costa Rica .... and its just a small % of what we need

you think 4-5 trillion ?  lol ... 4-5 trillion wouldn't cover the electric car conversion, much less homes, much less industry

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-11-04/electric-cars-face-a-6-trillion-barrier-to-widespread-adoption

son you've been lied to bigly
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Don't waste your time with that guy. He was completely wrong about the jabs. As he pimped them, they never worked, they don't work, they never will work but they are killing people every day. Dr. Marty Makary explaining the uselessness & dangers right now.

he has no clue about electric vehicles. There is a small local use for them in day to day work vehicles. Other than that ZERO, chance they are feasible UNLESS you can charge them at the speed you fill a tank of gas. Also the power grid will never be able to handle them. Texas is already asking people not to charge between 3 and 8 pm. Now imagine more than what ever the low % of vehicles they currently have. Total collapse of the power grid.

 
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lod001 said:
Don't waste your time with that guy. He was completely wrong about the jabs. As he pimped them, they never worked, they don't work, they never will work but they are killing people every day. Dr. Marty Makary explaining the uselessness & dangers right now.

he has no clue about electric vehicles. There is a small local use for them in day to day work vehicles. Other than that ZERO, chance they are feasible UNLESS you can charge them at the speed you fill a tank of gas. Also the power grid will never be able to handle them. Texas is already asking people not to charge between 3 and 8 pm. Now imagine more than what ever the low % of vehicles they currently have. Total collapse of the power grid.
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imagine yourself waiting to charge your car in mass hurricane evacuation.    

 
lod001 said:
Don't waste your time with that guy. He was completely wrong about the jabs. As he pimped them, they never worked, they don't work, they never will work but they are killing people every day. Dr. Marty Makary explaining the uselessness & dangers right now.

he has no clue about electric vehicles. There is a small local use for them in day to day work vehicles. Other than that ZERO, chance they are feasible UNLESS you can charge them at the speed you fill a tank of gas. Also the power grid will never be able to handle them. Texas is already asking people not to charge between 3 and 8 pm. Now imagine more than what ever the low % of vehicles they currently have. Total collapse of the power grid.
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I don't ignore anyone, because everybody has good ideas/thoughts etc on different subjects

But on electric and renewable energies etc, there is absolutely no comparison with Costa Rica and the USA - like really none at all - and the numbers given on 4-5 trillion isn't anywhere near accurate. 

and I'll for electric cars and moving towards all that - I really am ............. it'll take decades to get it done though, like 50-70 years time frame, not 6-10 like Biden has suggested

gradual moves, alternative energy sources, totally redoing the energy grids in the USA and all that isn't a bad idea - its just not viable right now

 
Boston said:
This explains so much:

https://nypost.com/2022/07/13/bidens-inexperienced-lackeys-unlikely-to-pull-us-out-of-inflation-doom/
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When you have a country that has enough largesse to not require productivity you get a proliferation of these mediocre gladhanders.  

This is why you have an energy secretary laughing her ### off when asked if they were going to try to increase domestic oil production at $110/bbl.  When we have an transportation secretary who led a failed small midwestern town and got a massive promotion.  A VP who thinks the US populace is in 1st grade and explains things that way... all the time.  The list goes on and on.  There is no push for urgency or competence because they've never had the need.

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BTW, CPI at 9.1%.  PPI, which presages CPI, came in at 11.3%.  The nightmare of this administration continues unabated.

 
timschochet said:
Biden: The best way to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons in the short term is diplomacy. 
 

Israeli Prime Minister: The only way to stop Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons over the long term is force. 
 

Good cop, bad cop? Or maybe they just see it differently. Whether or not Biden is right, any kind of military action against Iran would be disastrous for us and the world IMO. 
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Could they both be correct?  Read what you wrote again, with my insertions in italics.

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
It's a story about the White House transcript (which redstate has nothing to do with) doesn't match what Biden actually said in his recorded remarks (which redstate has nothing to with). Redstate isn't the source - the White House and Joe Biden are the sources.

What are your news sources, and what do they say about this?
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BTW, this happened again - with Biden's comments about his trip to Saudi Arabia. What's with all the WH transcripts being edited lately to not match his actual statements? 

 
sho nuff said:
So weak here…he is clearly gesturing and asking which chair is his.  But thats what you get from the Tuckers and Clay Travis and RNC Research’s of the world.
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Entirely disingenuous take by you.  "Clearly gesturing and asking which chair is his?"  Really?  Do you do that by stopping, turning, and extending your hand out like a handshake?  Good Lord, talk about willful denial.  He did the same thing a few months ago.

The guy is shot.  There are plenty of reports out there that he is is shot.  The Democrats and MSM are even floating stories that he is shuffling and they are scared he might even fall over when he walks.  And he did, in fact, fall over on his bike a few weeks ago.  Why do you feel the need to imply that this is somehow being made up by the Right Wing?  It really makes you lose credibility.

 
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