The Commish
Footballguy
Tariffs are stupid regardless of who is implementing them. Glad youre on board and "concerned" even if its new and/or predicably partisan.
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quick-hands
Footballguy
Thanks. But im always concearned about them. The only teo countries i want to use them against right now are bidens favorites. Russia and china. Free market is my choice. Except for our enemies.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Doesnt make a whole lot of sense if im being honest. The economics dont change because a group is an enemy or not. Using them is a bad idea regardless and impacts the end consumer negatively in both sitiuations.quick-hands said:
It is oddly refreshing thatyou acknowledge you are in it for the politics and not the economics. I genuinely appreciate the honesty.
quick-hands
Footballguy
I dont think its a good idea to help build your enemies. Definately political calculation.
Makes the wood tarriff increase even stupider.
Max Power
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Tariffs are an impact on individual consumers. China is passing the cost on to us and so is Canada. To justify one over the other is not much more than political
Again both are stupid for the same reason and both are passed on to us.
sho nuff
Footballguy
What specifically did Biden do that affected this? Hint...it has had zero to do with Keystone.
Gas today is about the same it has been since it was a couple weeks ago here . 2.79...same as a few weeks ago and about .20 per gallon more than the last time people were blaming Biden (and similar to the trajectory that we saw in 2018).
The national average price at the pump hit $3.045 per gallon this month, the highest since 2014. Facts First.
As gas prices soar, Americans can blame Joe Biden
Gas prices climb amid Biden's pipeline closures
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The General
Footballguy
Time to go EV. This could be one of Joe's longest lasting impact - establish the base for a viable charging grid for EV's across the country. Once people get in one they aren't going back.
A couple hurdles left are battery tech and charging. Innovation will take care of battery tech, companies will keep making the advancement here. The other is fast, accessible charging away from home. This is where the Feds can step in.
Throw tons of tax incentives at this to get people in the cars and in 20 years no one driving will give a crap what gas costs.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Direct Headline: Biden policy means higher oil prices: Goldman
Ethan Wolff-Mann January 22, 2021
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/biden-policy-means-higher-oil-prices-goldman-170738261.html
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You are intentionally choosing to deny some pretty basic economic principles.
The General
Footballguy
Gas goes up it goes down. Acting like Biden is responsible for hackers is pretty ridiculous though.
Time to get off the juice.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Direct Headline: The spiralling environmental cost of our lithium battery addiction
As the world scrambles to replace fossil fuels with clean energy, the environmental impact of finding all the lithium required could become a major issue in its own right
Amit Katwala 05.08.2018 07:00 AM
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact
Direct Headline: Batteries can be part of the fight against climate change - if we do these five things
It takes nine years for an electric car to be greener than a diesel car, on average.
Jonathan Eckart 28 Nov 2017
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/11/battery-batteries-electric-cars-carbon-sustainable-power-energy/
Direct Headline: The cobalt pipeline
Tracing the path from deadly hand-dug mines in Congo to consumers’ phones and laptops
Story by Todd C. Frankel September 30, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/congo-cobalt-mining-for-lithium-ion-battery/
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Battery technology is NOT a "couple of hurdles" away.
It has a high environmental and human cost associated with it. It's not like the world's best scientists are going to change the way batteries work in a dramatic radical fashion. You need a certain narrative and you fill in the blanks on your own, apparently the brutality to actual human beings in the Congo and the logistical impracticalities be damned.
Science doesn't care about anyone's politics. Battery development is currently in a woeful stage to meet the kind of promises Biden has been making on environmental stances and the timelines he's been promising.
The General
Footballguy
Within A Decade, We Will All Be Driving Electric Cars
EV growth 70% next year
The future of transportation
Overtake gas cars by 2038
EV's Significantly Improvement Over Gas
Drive an EV and you won't go back. The market will fall in line, it already is. The tech will undoubtable improve. The Gov can help usher it along.
One of the few things Biden talked about in the Dem nomination process about that was actually interesting.
I’m worried about battery technology. It hasn’t improved much at all in the last 10 years despite a lot of effort. Sometimes I wonder if hydrogen fuel cells will be here before the battery technology improves enough.
And we are going to have to go more nuclear. But unfortunately Liberals seem to be against that as well. The energy has to come from somewhere. Bottom line - I don’t trust Liberals at all in anything related to the economy or energy. Their track record is terrible. I came of age in the late 70’s and those years were horrible.
And we are going to have to go more nuclear. But unfortunately Liberals seem to be against that as well. The energy has to come from somewhere. Bottom line - I don’t trust Liberals at all in anything related to the economy or energy. Their track record is terrible. I came of age in the late 70’s and those years were horrible.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
Everyone thinks lithium batteries are going to save us. The ugly truth they are not telling you is the environmental cost to MAKE and DISPOSE of those batteries. All they did was move the pollution from end of the chain to the beginning. So while liberals can virtue signal about how they're "saving the environment from CO2", the companies providing them their virtue cars are using the same amount to make and dispose of those batteries.
And then they just throw them out when they're done. Into the environment. The ones the liberals are trying to save.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
Okay, cool. I'll remember your indifference to other people the next time a GOP POTUS tries to sneakily implement changes he wants.
We'll just say, "Oh well, it's time we move on anyways" and we'll just ignore the hardship this will bring by forcing it on unsuspecting people.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Direct Headline: 12 States Seek To Kill Gas Cars Nationwide
Steven Symes Apr 21, 2021
https://www.motorious.com/articles/features-3/states-seek-to-kill-gas-cars/
Direct Headline: Why the Solyndra mistake is still important to remember
By Katie Fehrenbacher August 27, 2015 7:01 AM PDT
https://fortune.com/2015/08/27/remember-solyndra-mistake/
Direct Headline: Obama-backed electric car battery company files for bankruptcy protection
Ener1 chief executive Charles Gassenheimer takes Vice President Joe Biden on a tour of the plant in Greenfield, Ind., on Jan. 26, 2011. (Darron Cummings/AP)
By Carol D. Leonnig January 26, 2012
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-backed-electric-car-battery-company-files-for-bankruptcy-protection/2012/01/26/gIQAA5T3TQ_story.html
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A lot easier to predict the market when you have a clear push and agenda to eliminate any other option ( i.e. gas cars)
You are saying the innovation and technology for batteries will improve. But you haven't given any current/practical/logical reason why this would be true.
Because you say so?
Look at the track record here. Biden was neck deep in Obama's Solyndra/Ener1 scandal. This should have been one of the worst political scandals in American history, but since Obama gets treated like a pseudo deity as the "Cool Guy President", apparently his entire 2009 Recovery Act disaster is supposed to just be erased from memory. The level of blanket defense Obama gets around here is just plain pathetic. The guy literally demanded Eric Holder give weapons to the Sineloa Cartel and lots of people here want to rush to put him on the Mount Rushmore of US Presidents.
If anyone DOES NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to electric cars, it's the entire Obama/Biden/Harris regime.
But what else would you expect from a "Cool Guy President" other than to give a movie name to a plan to arm drug dealers so they can kill American federal law enforcement officers and terrorize our southern border.
Battery technology will vastly improve, beyond all reasonable measure, just because you say so. That's comforting. And since I've cited the Washington Post, there are no free shots to take here.
You are right. When hard working American citizens are driving their electric cars in a Big Blue stronghold and then are surrounded by looters and rioters, burning down minority own small businesses and trying to light other human beings on fire, with stunning silence from Team Radical Left, there will be no going back. Those cars, bought since the marketplace is being intentionally cooked to take away all other options, won't be going forward either .The occupants will just have to sit there and hope they won't be dragged from their cars and beaten to death so the Identity Politics Playbook can preserve the radical left and black voting blocks for the DNC all along the ticket, even if billions of dollars worth of the American Dream from said minority small business owners have to be incinerated to make it happen.
Why don't you ask the moderates, traditional liberals and undecideds here how they feel about potentially being dragged out of their electric car in the middle of a riot and being beaten to death so the Identity Politics Playbook gets to stretch it's legs?
quick-hands
Footballguy
If chinese imports become more expensive because of tarriffs. People will buy less. That hurts china. Sometimes economics is politics. But i understand your point.Tariffs are an impact on individual consumers. China is passing the cost on to us and so is Canada. To justify one over the other is not much more than political
Again both are stupid for the same reason and both are passed on to us.
The General
Footballguy
Innovation follows where money is. That’s the way our system works, it’s like the Republican mantra.
You didn’t read my links - it’s ok I’m not reading your spam either. Have you followed battery technology, EV’s in the past decade and noticed improvement? I know you have Google so check this out. It’s amazing how quickly the advancements are coming. Read about GM for instance.
Please take the riot, border, Eric Holder stuff to some other thread
The General
Footballguy
The industry is moving with or without the government. It’s a net positive that can create jobs, improve the environment, move us from gas, etc.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Improve the environment? All electric cars do is move the pollution and carbon footprint from the end of the manufacturing chain to the beginning.
And create jobs? Are you ignoring all of the jobs that will be lost?
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shadrap
Footballguy
you know what Biden has done about federal lands & fracking so I won't wast my time on that. to be fair it is going to go up because of increased demand & to be also fair Biden is not a fan of carbon based energy which through future policies will also raise the cost of fuel. How much? we shall see.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Facts first...look at 2018 and 2019...and then 2021. Very similar trajectories (as I said).
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=emm_epmr_pte_nus_dpg&f=m
Add in coming out of a pandemic, the freeze in Texas, and a hacked system causing disruptions and what may you see?
You want counters to opinions on gas prices...ok
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/03/06/who-is-to-blame-for-rising-gasoline-prices/?sh=31378153329c
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sure...I think there will be some effect moving forward as we move towards alternatives (part of which to push people even more towards the "greener" alternatives. We are not there yet. The ban/pause of fracking on federal lands was a pause on new permits.
And why that likely doesn't have much or anything at all to do with today's prices?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-biden-drilling/big-u-s-oil-drillers-have-federal-permits-to-mute-effect-of-any-biden-ban-idUSKBN29Q1S5
Mile High
Footballguy
So his ban doesn't really effect anything right now. The next president might go a different way.
Mile High
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Well, thats the theory. But thats not what is happening at the moment. We continue to buy at higher prices. Right now its only hurting consumers.
quick-hands
Footballguy
Yes i understand thatWell, thats the theory. But thats not what is happening at the moment. We continue to buy at higher prices. Right now its only hurting consumers.
timschochet
Footballguy
It’s good to be back, and I wanted to offer some analysis on what I’ve been reading in this thread and a few others:
IMO, it’s a moot point whether or not Joe Biden is responsible for rising gas prices. If they continue to stay high, or worse rise even further, he’ll take the blame. So will Democrats in general. That’s the price of being the party in power, and I think it’s a fair price to pay.
But I’m hoping it’s a temporary thing, caused by the cyber terrorists and a reaction of panic buying, and that prices will eventually return to what they were before. I have a couple of close business associates who own gas stations that believe this is the case. (For the record, they are both strong Trump supporters and detest Biden, but they think the prices will come down.)
IMO, it’s a moot point whether or not Joe Biden is responsible for rising gas prices. If they continue to stay high, or worse rise even further, he’ll take the blame. So will Democrats in general. That’s the price of being the party in power, and I think it’s a fair price to pay.
But I’m hoping it’s a temporary thing, caused by the cyber terrorists and a reaction of panic buying, and that prices will eventually return to what they were before. I have a couple of close business associates who own gas stations that believe this is the case. (For the record, they are both strong Trump supporters and detest Biden, but they think the prices will come down.)
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Good post, Tim.
I've always said that the President in power gets all the blame and the credit even if he didn't to squat to earn it. That comes with the job.
The General
Footballguy
I don’t believe the first part is accurate. Link
Technology advancements always change the job market. It can’t be stopped. Energy field is no different, haven’t seem any whalers around lately. I’d guess most people’s jobs on this board will be impacted or changed by tech. Link
As it relates solely to cars…bottom line is the EV product is better. Better product usually means it will win out.
Sand
Footballguy
I'll disagree with the thought that gas prices are super high. Long term inflation adjusted prices. Recent inflation adjusted price trends. We have gone up a bit - I'm paying $2.65, so about where we were in 2006. (This ignores California, who has taxed gas to the moon).
Now, any rise in gas prices should fall on his desk. The admin decision to shut off all gas leases on federal land and the concerted effort to devalue the dollar is absolutely at play.
Sand
Footballguy
Dear Joe, could you please in the future remind Kamala that Memorial Day weekend isn't just a nice long weekend? Thanks, bud.
This administration's visceral distaste for all thing military shines through yet again.
This administration's visceral distaste for all thing military shines through yet again.
timschochet
Footballguy
Some excellent news for Biden here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/29/politics/hispanics-biden-bounce-analysis/index.html
72% approval among Hispanics is, I believe, as high as any President has ever achieved. Biden’s overall approval numbers remain outstanding.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/29/politics/hispanics-biden-bounce-analysis/index.html
72% approval among Hispanics is, I believe, as high as any President has ever achieved. Biden’s overall approval numbers remain outstanding.
dozer
Footballguy
Saying that the current administration has a visceral distaste for the military is a disgusting mischaracterization.
Shame on you for suggesting that.
Sand
Footballguy
She is the second in command of this country. Her official utterance speaks for itself.
Good to see that she was straightened out, though, after the fact.
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dozer
Footballguy
You take one little comment out of context to excoriate the entire administration.
Joe Biden proudly talks about his sons service to our country and ends every speech with “may God protect our troops.”
Compare that to the former guy...
The former guy...
Sand
Footballguy
I was not a fan of the former guy at all. During his administration my thoughts on him always returned to the label "personally derelict".
As noted I'm glad our VP has retroactively decided to honor our troops.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
It's not just the administration: https://www.foxnews.com/us/students-petition-cancel-memorial-day-imperialism
While I agree that it's not ALL Democrats, there is a lot of them who do.
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I’m glad to. That was a horrible tweet on her part and showed some serious lack of judgment/awareness. She’s just not a very good politician.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
“I love those barrettes in your hair, man,” Biden said. “I tell you what, look at her, she looks like she’s 19 years old, sitting there like a little lady with her legs crossed.”
Omg - have we talked about this yet? Wtf? He stopped a speech to say this?
Omg - have we talked about this yet? Wtf? He stopped a speech to say this?
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