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[Ghost Rider]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

I am sure it will be easy for some to say, "Punk got that pop because it's his hometown," but do any of the other AEW guys gets pops like that in their respective hometowns? Nope.

Maybe it was ring rust, but you can tell he grimaced a bit when he got up at the end of the match tonight (made me think his knees ached when rising to his feet). He is older and has had injury issues since returning, so AEW would be smart to not play the long game with him and get what you can out of him in the short term and just be happy for however he stays healthy.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

I am sure it will be easy for some to say, "Punk got that pop because it's his hometown," but do any of the other AEW guys gets pops like that in their respective hometowns? Nope.

Maybe it was ring rust, but you can tell he grimaced a bit when he got up at the end of the match tonight (made me think his knees ached when rising to his feet). He is older and has had injury issues since returning, so AEW would be smart to not play the long game with him and get what you can out of him in the short term and just be happy for however he stays healthy.

Yup, tag matches and promos on TV. Leave the 1 on 1 stuff for the ppv events. I'll be honest, if I were Tony, Punk would only wrestle a singles match every other month.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

I am sure it will be easy for some to say, "Punk got that pop because it's his hometown," but do any of the other AEW guys gets pops like that in their respective hometowns? Nope.

Maybe it was ring rust, but you can tell he grimaced a bit when he got up at the end of the match tonight (made me think his knees ached when rising to his feet). He is older and has had injury issues since returning, so AEW would be smart to not play the long game with him and get what you can out of him in the short term and just be happy for however he stays healthy.

Yup, tag matches and promos on TV. Leave the 1 on 1 stuff for the ppv events. I'll be honest, if I were Tony, Punk would only wrestle a singles match every other month.

Agreed. He doesn't need a belt or to be the world champ or anything like that. He is the biggest name they have, so best to keep him healthy and on TV.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

Punk opening up a show

Pockets opening a PPV

Tell Me when I'm telling lies

AEW already has a huge problem with MJF as they haven't haven't built any legitimate faces to go against him.

Collision last night felt like a show produced by an entirely different company. Male performers that looked like men, no flip floppy gymnastics BS over and over, and selling

 

[BassNBrew]

“That’s My GOAT” - CM Punk Earns Kudos for His Support of LGBTQ+ Community on His AEW Return at Collision - Sportsmanor

CM Punk finally made his comeback on the debut episode of AEW Collision, and he won the hearts of fans with a great gesture in the ring.

www.sportsmanor.com

 

[DJackson10]

Punk!!!!!!

What an ovation.

It was a mixed reaction. Part of the arena wasn’t sold out I guess punk doesn’t sell as well people thought

 

[DJackson10]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

I am sure it will be easy for some to say, "Punk got that pop because it's his hometown," but do any of the other AEW guys gets pops like that in their respective hometowns? Nope.

Maybe it was ring rust, but you can tell he grimaced a bit when he got up at the end of the match tonight (made me think his knees ached when rising to his feet). He is older and has had injury issues since returning, so AEW would be smart to not play the long game with him and get what you can out of him in the short term and just be happy for however he stays healthy.

One of the things many fans talked about was he didn’t seem in great ring shape when he first came. First people called it ring rust but by the Mox match at All Out he was still slow on moves and didn’t seem to be in shape. Felt more like I got my pay day so I’m taking it easy in the ring. The guy is fast becoming the type of wrestler he hated in WWE. We’ll see how the second stint goes but I’m not holding out on much. UC wasn’t soldout for this in his hometown none the less either.

 

[Bears_Man2]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

Punk opening up a show

Pockets opening a PPV

Tell Me when I'm telling lies

AEW already has a huge problem with MJF as they haven't haven't built any legitimate faces to go against him.

Collision last night felt like a show produced by an entirely different company. Male performers that looked like men, no flip floppy gymnastics BS over and over, and selling

Was there at the show. A packed house.

Crowd was absolutely nuts for him. Was non-stop CM Punk chants from 30 minutes before started until he arrived.

A fun time and while I have no interest in AEW overall, I will be there again if Punk's on the card.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

Punk opening up a show

Pockets opening a PPV

Tell Me when I'm telling lies

AEW already has a huge problem with MJF as they haven't haven't built any legitimate faces to go against him.

Collision last night felt like a show produced by an entirely different company. Male performers that looked like men, no flip floppy gymnastics BS over and over, and selling

Was there at the show. A packed house.

Crowd was absolutely nuts for him. Was non-stop CM Punk chants from 30 minutes before started until he arrived.

A fun time and while I have no interest in AEW overall, I will be there again if Punk's on the card.

How can this be? The guy who wasn’t there in this thread, who always knows everything, says it was a mixed reaction!!

I’m starting to wonder if that is Meltzer himself posting here. “It’s not a lie if you believe it.”

 

[DJackson10]

It’s really good giving a lot of people this kind of work. When you have people who are in the INDUSTRY WORKING Creative * Cough WWE Hollywood writers Cough*

It’s being reported by PWinsider, Dax Harwood is now involved on the creative wing, joining new additions Jimmy Jacobs, Will Washington, and Bryan Danielson, CM Punk and Ace Steel.

 

[DJackson10]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

Punk opening up a show

Pockets opening a PPV

Tell Me when I'm telling lies

AEW already has a huge problem with MJF as they haven't haven't built any legitimate faces to go against him.

Collision last night felt like a show produced by an entirely different company. Male performers that looked like men, no flip floppy gymnastics BS over and over, and selling

Was there at the show. A packed house.

Crowd was absolutely nuts for him. Was non-stop CM Punk chants from 30 minutes before started until he arrived.

A fun time and while I have no interest in AEW overall, I will be there again if Punk's on the card.

I’ve seen pretty pro heavy AEW sites tweeting pics that it wasn’t unless someone posted before bell Pics. Definately not another show as you could see the collision stage and those in Ring

 

[millertyme1]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

Punk opening up a show

Pockets opening a PPV

Tell Me when I'm telling lies

AEW already has a huge problem with MJF as they haven't haven't built any legitimate faces to go against him.

Collision last night felt like a show produced by an entirely different company. Male performers that looked like men, no flip floppy gymnastics BS over and over, and selling

Was there at the show. A packed house.

Crowd was absolutely nuts for him. Was non-stop CM Punk chants from 30 minutes before started until he arrived.

A fun time and while I have no interest in AEW overall, I will be there again if Punk's on the card.

My cousin's sister's ex-BF works in the United Center box office and confirmed the show was a complete sell out.

Great to see Punk back. Punk will also be on Dynamite while the Bucks hide at home so they don't get booed

 

[coyote5]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

I am sure it will be easy for some to say, "Punk got that pop because it's his hometown," but do any of the other AEW guys gets pops like that in their respective hometowns? Nope.

Maybe it was ring rust, but you can tell he grimaced a bit when he got up at the end of the match tonight (made me think his knees ached when rising to his feet). He is older and has had injury issues since returning, so AEW would be smart to not play the long game with him and get what you can out of him in the short term and just be happy for however he stays healthy.

One of the things many fans talked about was he didn’t seem in great ring shape when he first came. First people called it ring rust but by the Mox match at All Out he was still slow on moves and didn’t seem to be in shape.

I won't argue this. It's about Punk the personality, not the wrestler at this point. I agree with Cornette on quite a few of his takes, but he likes to run down Mox for his appearance, and frankly he looks better than Punk.

 

[DJackson10]

PWInsider reports Kenny Omega vs Will Ospreay is believed to be closing the show at Forbidden Door

 

[DJackson10]

PWInsider: Amanda Huber, wife of the late Brodie Lee, is now working on the production end of AEW.

She had been working in the community outreach area of the company but was recruited by Michael Mansury to come over to production and she accepted the job.

 

[DJackson10]

Roman Reigns will continue to carry around 3 world title belts, at least for the time being. This is being done to transfer the history of the WWE and Universal Championships onto the new Undisputed Universal Title, that was presented to Reigns a few weeks ago.

Reigns and Heyman will continue to carry the three belts on TV for the time being but the WWE and Universal title belts will eventually be retired and will stop appearing on TV. How long they will continue to be used as part of Reigns' presentation is still unknown.

 

[DJackson10]

This would’ve been awesome as AJ has a huge following in Japan

Speaking on Talk'n Shop, Karl Anderson and Luke Gallows revealed an idea pitched for their WWE return that would have seen AJ Styles return to New Japan Pro Wrestling at the promotion's “Burning Spirit” event on September 25, 2022, to help Anderson retain his NEVER Openweight Title against Hiroshi Tanahashi.

Gallows and Anderson would have then returned to WWE the next night on the September 26 edition of Monday Night Raw in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

The pitch was squashed by officials, though, as the trio wouldn't have been able to travel from Japan to Edmonton to get back in time for Monday television.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

They're really going to give Logan Paul MITB over LA Knight?!?!

If LA Knight doesn't win MITB, I lose all hope they'll ever give him a worthwhile push. The guy is arguably getting the best reactions in WWE right now.

Tonight's Raw promo

 

[Tom Servo]

Superstar & Ivan Putski don’t need no floppy vanilla midget moves.

 

[Payne]

They're really going to give Logan Paul MITB over LA Knight?!?!

If LA Knight doesn't win MITB, I lose all hope they'll ever give him a worthwhile push. The guy is arguably getting the best reactions in WWE right now.

Tonight's Raw promo

They didn't give Rhodes the Mania win when it was clear he was as over as over gets. Why would this be different?

 

[Ghost Rider]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

I am sure it will be easy for some to say, "Punk got that pop because it's his hometown," but do any of the other AEW guys gets pops like that in their respective hometowns? Nope.

Maybe it was ring rust, but you can tell he grimaced a bit when he got up at the end of the match tonight (made me think his knees ached when rising to his feet). He is older and has had injury issues since returning, so AEW would be smart to not play the long game with him and get what you can out of him in the short term and just be happy for however he stays healthy.

One of the things many fans talked about was he didn’t seem in great ring shape when he first came. First people called it ring rust but by the Mox match at All Out he was still slow on moves and didn’t seem to be in shape.

I won't argue this. It's about Punk the personality, not the wrestler at this point. I agree with Cornette on quite a few of his takes, but he likes to run down Mox for his appearance, and frankly he looks better than Punk.

Punk is older, though, and despite always being a smaller guy in wrestling terms, always looked pretty fit and in shape in his younger days (if you could get past the long hair in his Straight Edge Society days). Moxley has always kind of looked like a guy who just walked in off the street and started wrestling yesterday, so I kind of get why Cornette would say that.

 

[DJackson10]

Zilla Fatu Umaga's son to make pro wrestling debut for Reality of Wrestling “Summer of Champions” on July 15 in Texas.

 

[DJackson10]

I guess The Elite are now using SRS too

Per Fightful punks promo rattled some cages

Summary: him referring himself to one bill was a rumor deal between AEW and WB

* AEW didn’t like he took the logo cube off the mic like he did in WWE but he got his point across

* didn’t like the soft shot about fan favorites as the company is well aware of his hissy fit about hangman

^ Bucks took the joke in lite theres NDAs between Pubk and Elite for scrum but not Hangman and Punk.

 

[tonysmiles]

What does that do to the locker room moral when a Social Media personality making videos for 14 yo girls shows up and wins MITB or any title. Personally whatever wrestler Paul faces next should work stiff with Paul and really make him feel a few punches and maybe not land shoulders flush on a power bomb but a bit up on the head and neck area. Next time he will think twice of being a part time player in the ring.

 

[DJackson10]

Kenny Omega will not appear live on either this Wednesday's AEW Dynamite or this Saturday's AEW Collision.
- Dave Meltzer
(via F4WOnline)

 

[Tom Servo]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

Punk opening up a show

Pockets opening a PPV

Tell Me when I'm telling lies

AEW already has a huge problem with MJF as they haven't haven't built any legitimate faces to go against him.

Collision last night felt like a show produced by an entirely different company. Male performers that looked like men, no flip floppy gymnastics BS over and over, and selling

Was there at the show. A packed house.

Crowd was absolutely nuts for him. Was non-stop CM Punk chants from 30 minutes before started until he arrived.

A fun time and while I have no interest in AEW overall, I will be there again if Punk's on the card.

My cousin's sister's ex-BF works in the United Center box office and confirmed the show was a complete sell

Did he also see Ferris Bueller at Baskin Robbins?

 

[Tom Servo]

Johnny Gargano & Candace LeRae help Mustard win the Hot Dog race at tonight’s Guardians game.

 

[DJackson10]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

I am sure it will be easy for some to say, "Punk got that pop because it's his hometown," but do any of the other AEW guys gets pops like that in their respective hometowns? Nope.

Maybe it was ring rust, but you can tell he grimaced a bit when he got up at the end of the match tonight (made me think his knees ached when rising to his feet). He is older and has had injury issues since returning, so AEW would be smart to not play the long game with him and get what you can out of him in the short term and just be happy for however he stays healthy.

One of the things many fans talked about was he didn’t seem in great ring shape when he first came. First people called it ring rust but by the Mox match at All Out he was still slow on moves and didn’t seem to be in shape.

I won't argue this. It's about Punk the personality, not the wrestler at this point. I agree with Cornette on quite a few of his takes, but he likes to run down Mox for his appearance, and frankly he looks better than Punk.

Punk is older, though, and despite always being a smaller guy in wrestling terms, always looked pretty fit and in shape in his younger days (if you could get past the long hair in his Straight Edge Society days). Moxley has always kind of looked like a guy who just walked in off the street and started wrestling yesterday, so I kind of get why Cornette would say that.

I always hated this by people "oh this guy doesn't look like x or Y" however puts on a better match then the guy who does. Speaking of Cornett I found this post on The Pro Wrestling World Facebook page. I think it's pretty spot on here

This is what guys like Jim Cornette don't realize, and probably never will.
If WWE and AEW tried to cater to the generation of wrestling fans that someone like Cornette represents, it won't work. No matter what they do, they will never bring them back. They are gone... simple as that. You might bring back a few, but never enough.
WWE figured this out a long time ago... they couldn't recreate the attitude era, so they created the Cena Era... and now the Bloodline Era.
AEW and WWE has to figure out what fans today want. When Cornette attempted to bring his style of booking to Ring of Honor, which included "patriotism angles" according to Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn, it failed. The audience wasn't happy, and the attendance dropped.
Why? Because Cornette was trying to bring back a fan that had already moved on from wrestling. My uncle Robert is like this. He watched for decades, but he's never coming back.
If AEW and WWE try to make wrestling the way Cornette wants... then WWE won't hit 2.9 million... and AEW will fall even further away from the 1 million mark.
Don't mean that Cornette doesn't have good ideas. He's certainly right about stories and gimmicks being believable. But Cornette's vision is dead... just like how when Cornette was booking WWF, Bill Watts vision of wrestling was dead then, and when Bill Watts attempted to bring it back in WCW in 1992... WCW had it's worst year (pre Russo), as the ratings, house shows, and buyrates collapsed.
Accept it... Cornette's way came... and went. This is what always happens, and will even happen with the current approach to wrestling. It will come... and eventually be replaced too.
~David

 

[DJackson10]

Kenny Omega will not appear live on either this Wednesday's AEW Dynamite or this Saturday's AEW Collision.
- Dave Meltzer
(via F4WOnline)

Neither will Young Bucks. According to several different sites this was TK's decision. I've seen a few conflicting reports saying Punk also requested them not to be on the same show as him but nothing confirmed

 

[DJackson10]

So we are a year into Triple H reign. It looked good at first but really other then keeping the Bloodline angle alive it's been pretty mediocre since the initial honeymoon phase.

Only guy who is a Hunter guy doing much is Seth Rollins. Sami and KO basically got consolation prizes despite Sami Zayn carrying the Bloodline for a bit to not make it stale. Balor looks like an F'n Joke, and most of Hunters guys still there haven't done much.

Lets look at those he's brought back

Cody Rhoades: Basically jobbing now to Brock and others. Should've won at Mania and didn't

Hit Row: Botchmania official members

Bray Wyatt: Cool hints at first but he got destroyed by LA Knight on the promos and the match was awful. Uncle Howdy complete missed the stage dive hasn't been seen since RR.

Johnny Gargano and Candace: Catering crew

OC Gallows and Anderson plus Mia Yim: For whatever reason WWE feels they can't do anything when AJ Was hurt. There's still time for them

Tegan Nox: Came back in DEC in the Women's tag division

Sarah Logan: Where she belongs with Viking Raiders as a manager occasional wrestler and mouth piece

Emma: In a storyline with real life Boyfriend Riddick Moss Ok sill time to see more

Bronson Reed: Has given a nice push wished he stayed in NJPW with TMKD

Dexter Lumis: Hot with The Miz Storyline but hasn't done much since

KK and Scarlett: Decent feud to start thought there'd be more involved but hasn't done a lot since

Braun Straumen: Got punished for comments made about certain wrestler now in a gag tag team with Richocet

Dakota Kai: Joined Bayley Damage CTL stable done some good things. Recently blew out her knee so we won't see her till early next year at the earliest

Overall its not horrible but no where what many fans wanted. RAW is still 1 hour too long and Vince seems back in charge after selling the company. Nothing really changed. You got a taste of what not having Vince would be like with Hunter and it's essentially Vince III

 

[hagmania]

What does that do to the locker room moral when a Social Media personality making videos for 14 yo girls shows up and wins MITB or any title. Personally whatever wrestler Paul faces next should work stiff with Paul and really make him feel a few punches and maybe not land shoulders flush on a power bomb but a bit up on the head and neck area. Next time he will think twice of being a part time player in the ring.

What.

Logan Paul is an exceptional wrestling talent.

 

[coyote5]

So we are a year into Triple H reign. It looked good at first but really other then keeping the Bloodline angle alive it's been pretty mediocre since the initial honeymoon phase.

Only guy who is a Hunter guy doing much is Seth Rollins. Sami and KO basically got consolation prizes despite Sami Zayn carrying the Bloodline for a bit to not make it stale. Balor looks like an F'n Joke, and most of Hunters guys still there haven't done much.

Lets look at those he's brought back

Cody Rhoades: Basically jobbing now to Brock and others. Should've won at Mania and didn't

you lost me early in your list. If that's what you think is going on with Cody, you're not watching the shows.

 

[coyote5]

I just re-watched Punk's promo. Who in AEW right now can talk like that? Can get a building rocking like that?
Maybe MJF. Maybe.
Fact is, AEW needs Punk a heck of a lot more than Punk needs them. You can throw out names like Page, Bucks, Omega, Jericho, Moxley, Cassidy but are they really 'stars'? I know they can wrestle and put up decent matches, but how many people besides that 10% of 'smart' super fans really care about them and come out just to see them? Not too many judging by the Wednesday night ratings.

I am sure it will be easy for some to say, "Punk got that pop because it's his hometown," but do any of the other AEW guys gets pops like that in their respective hometowns? Nope.

Maybe it was ring rust, but you can tell he grimaced a bit when he got up at the end of the match tonight (made me think his knees ached when rising to his feet). He is older and has had injury issues since returning, so AEW would be smart to not play the long game with him and get what you can out of him in the short term and just be happy for however he stays healthy.

One of the things many fans talked about was he didn’t seem in great ring shape when he first came. First people called it ring rust but by the Mox match at All Out he was still slow on moves and didn’t seem to be in shape.

I won't argue this. It's about Punk the personality, not the wrestler at this point. I agree with Cornette on quite a few of his takes, but he likes to run down Mox for his appearance, and frankly he looks better than Punk.

Punk is older, though, and despite always being a smaller guy in wrestling terms, always looked pretty fit and in shape in his younger days (if you could get past the long hair in his Straight Edge Society days). Moxley has always kind of looked like a guy who just walked in off the street and started wrestling yesterday, so I kind of get why Cornette would say that.

I always hated this by people "oh this guy doesn't look like x or Y" however puts on a better match then the guy who does. Speaking of Cornett I found this post on The Pro Wrestling World Facebook page. I think it's pretty spot on here

This is what guys like Jim Cornette don't realize, and probably never will.
If WWE and AEW tried to cater to the generation of wrestling fans that someone like Cornette represents, it won't work. No matter what they do, they will never bring them back. They are gone... simple as that. You might bring back a few, but never enough.
WWE figured this out a long time ago... they couldn't recreate the attitude era, so they created the Cena Era... and now the Bloodline Era.
AEW and WWE has to figure out what fans today want. When Cornette attempted to bring his style of booking to Ring of Honor, which included "patriotism angles" according to Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn, it failed. The audience wasn't happy, and the attendance dropped.
Why? Because Cornette was trying to bring back a fan that had already moved on from wrestling. My uncle Robert is like this. He watched for decades, but he's never coming back.
If AEW and WWE try to make wrestling the way Cornette wants... then WWE won't hit 2.9 million... and AEW will fall even further away from the 1 million mark.
Don't mean that Cornette doesn't have good ideas. He's certainly right about stories and gimmicks being believable. But Cornette's vision is dead... just like how when Cornette was booking WWF, Bill Watts vision of wrestling was dead then, and when Bill Watts attempted to bring it back in WCW in 1992... WCW had it's worst year (pre Russo), as the ratings, house shows, and buyrates collapsed.
Accept it... Cornette's way came... and went. This is what always happens, and will even happen with the current approach to wrestling. It will come... and eventually be replaced too.
~David

There's a sweet spot between the real old school wrestling and the new breed gymnastic indy garbage matches that the Bucks/Mox et al want to wrestle. It's ADD tik tok nonsense.

The 6 man main events from last Wednesday and Saturday were polar opposites.

Look at the quarter hour splits from Wednesday. The Bucks and BCC ran off nearly 100k of the audience from the start of the match, and over 200k from the start of the show to the finish of their ADVERTISED main event match.

 

[Payne]

So we are a year into Triple H reign. It looked good at first but really other then keeping the Bloodline angle alive it's been pretty mediocre since the initial honeymoon phase.

Only guy who is a Hunter guy doing much is Seth Rollins. Sami and KO basically got consolation prizes despite Sami Zayn carrying the Bloodline for a bit to not make it stale. Balor looks like an F'n Joke, and most of Hunters guys still there haven't done much.

Lets look at those he's brought back

Cody Rhoades: Basically jobbing now to Brock and others. Should've won at Mania and didn't

you lost me early in your list. If that's what you think is going on with Cody, you're not watching the shows.

Cody should have won at Mania

 

[coyote5]

So we are a year into Triple H reign. It looked good at first but really other then keeping the Bloodline angle alive it's been pretty mediocre since the initial honeymoon phase.

Only guy who is a Hunter guy doing much is Seth Rollins. Sami and KO basically got consolation prizes despite Sami Zayn carrying the Bloodline for a bit to not make it stale. Balor looks like an F'n Joke, and most of Hunters guys still there haven't done much.

Lets look at those he's brought back

Cody Rhoades: Basically jobbing now to Brock and others. Should've won at Mania and didn't

you lost me early in your list. If that's what you think is going on with Cody, you're not watching the shows.

Cody should have won at Mania

Yeah I don't necessarily disagree with you on that one. Buuuut, he's still hot as hell with the crowds, and I'm willing to take the ride with him. I think the program with Brock has been pretty good and it SEEMS fairly clear what direction they're taking this.

 

[DJackson10]

Kenta doesn't want the match I wonder why ?

Fightful reports KENTA vs CM Punk had been planned for Forbidden Door, but as of this weekend, it's no longer happening.

 

[Tom Servo]

Tommy Dreamer undergoes treatment for 3rd round of skin cancer.

 

[DJackson10]

Shooter, Takeshita, Mox, Yuta, Claudio
vs
HungBucks, ??? & ???

at Forbidden Door!!!

 

[DJackson10]

Due to multiple former arrests, Jeff Hardy can't do the Canadian Tour, as he can't enter the country.

He’s officially off TV until at least mid-July

 

[DJackson10]

Speaking on the Pacific Rim podcast, TK said he's still interested in bringing a round robin tournament to AEW.

"There are single elimination tournaments in AEW. We've never done a round robin tournament. It's something I am interested in, but certainly, the G1 is an industry leader there when it comes to being the preeminent round robin tournament in pro wrestling. We participate in the G1. We've sent people in the past. With Eddie Kingston being part of G1 and Wheeler Yuta competing in Super Juniors, it gives us great opportunities to have top stars from AEW that we believe in, represent AEW in Japan.”

- Tony Khan

 

[DJackson10]

Orange Cassidy will defend the International Championship against Shibata, ZSJ and Daniel Garcia at Forbidden Door!

 

[DJackson10]

MJF and Adam Cole have been forced into a tag team in the middle of their fued thanks to AEW's version of Lethal Lottery.

Cole tricks MJF into agreeing to wrestle Tanahashi at FD

 

[DJackson10]

Shooter, Takeshita, Mox, Yuta, Claudio
vs
HungBucks, ??? & ???

at Forbidden Door!!!

Eddie Kingston is the 4th member says he’ll pick someone he can trust S their 5th guy

Looks like Calis and Takeshita are BCC now

 

[DJackson10]

Sting, Darby and ??? Vs Jericho, Sammy and Suzuki at Forbidden Door!!!!!

 

[DJackson10]

WOR is reporting that “Jungle Boy” Jack Perry is set to have a change to his persona. With that being said, AEW is in fact preparing Perry to become a full fledged heel in the coming weeks or sooner

 

[DJackson10]

The Full Card for Forbidden Door
IWGP United States Championship: Kenny Omega vs. Will Ospreay
Kazuchika Okada vs. Bryan Danielson
AEW World Championship: MJF vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi
IWGP World Heavyweight Championship: Sanada vs. "Jungle Boy" Jack Perry
Adam Cole vs Tom Lawlor
AEW International Championship: Orange Cassidy vs. Katsuyori Shibata vs. Zack Sabre Jr. vs. Daniel Garcia
Owen Hart Cup: CM Punk vs. Satoshi Kojima
AEW Women's World Championship: Toni Storm vs. Willow Nightingale
Blackpool Combat Club (Jon Moxley, Claudio Castagnoli, Wheeler Yuta), Konosukta Takeshita & Shota Umino vs. The Elite (Hangman Page & The Young Bucks), Eddie Kingston & Tomohiro Ishii
Sting, Darby Allin & TBA vs. Chris Jericho, Sammy Guevara & Minoru Suzuki
Owen Hart Cup: Athena vs. Billie Starkz (Zero Hour)

 

[Tom Servo]

Sting, Darby Allin & TBA vs. Chris Jericho, Sammy Guevara & Minoru Suzuki

Since it'll be someone with a history with Jericho, it's going to be Naito.

 

[DJackson10]

According to PWInsider, though nothing has been officially announced as of yet, the belief among those backstage at last nights tapings for Rampage are saying Johnny Elite has signed with AEW.

 

[DJackson10]

This is a good Triple H move

LA Knight recently revealed that WWE initially shifted him into a managerial role as Max Dupri due to concerns about his age. However, the 40-year-old wrestler had the opportunity to discuss the situation with Triple H and bring about a change in plans.

Knight acknowledged that Vince McMahon had initially typecast him as a manager, partly because of his age. But with Triple H taking charge, he had the opportunity to talk with The Game about reverting back to being LA Knight

 

[DJackson10]

Sting, Darby Allin & TBA vs. Chris Jericho, Sammy Guevara & Minoru Suzuki

Since it'll be someone with a history with Jericho, it's going to be Naito.

Probably everyone says lij member and Nairobi was adamant of not having a match at FB last year