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***Official Pro Wrestling Thread*** (6 Viewers)

Here's how the Belt Breakdown should be:

WORLD - Only defended at PPV's....the way they did Lesnar this year should be the way the World Belt is used.

U.S. - The poor man's belt.................Should be the House Show belt that's defended regularly at non TV shows to give those fans something. It should change hands at those Dark Shows just to give those events the potential to feel special

I.C..........Is by default the World Title of the television shows and the I.C. holder should generally be seen as the Number One contender. He doesn't need to defend it every televised show or even week.....but defending it should feel relatively special.

To that....I'd add two or three more belts just to give singles wrestlers something to do.....

TELEVISION TITLE...................Should be defended every show. This is the one you flip-flop on and don't take too seriously.

CRUSIERWEIGHT.....................It's obvious that fans like smaller, more technical guys.....so bring this one back. Nothing wrong with Itami's defending this regularly. This could also be your "defacto" traveling belt...it could go down to NXT occasionally or even to Japan (if that's something that still happens).

I'd like to see the Hardcore Belt back as I'd love seeing pinfalls in the bathroom, movie theatres, backstage etc. etc.....but I don't think they want to go to that.
I'd be fine with just even HWT/IC/US/TV titles.

It's been so long that anything but the HWT and World have meant anything that I'm not optimistic at all. Certainly would add to making matches have any meaning at all. That's a huge problem right now. Particularly with 3 hours/week of Raw. (Plus Smackdown -- I think it still exists anyway)

 
Why would Rollins need to turn face?
I don't think they are trying to turn Rollins face... They just didn't realize how pissed people were to have Reigns shoved in their face and Rollins was their botched attempt at making up for it. When your fan base wants anyone but Reigns to win the belt, then you create the extra problem of your top two heels suddenly being cheered as saviors.

How on earth did they screw this up so badly? Your top face in the company (Bryan) gets wasted in the opening match and wins the JV belt. The guy they want to be the top face ends up getting booed vociferously in the main event. And your best heels get the loudest pops all show (excluding Bryan).

Are they also going to blame this on the mean Philly crowd too?
Lesnar isn't a heel he is a tweener like Orton is now.

Since he now wants his belt back from the Authority's golden boy that makes him closer to face.

JB is right maybe you should just stop watching since you hate this so much.

 
Hoos First said:
Great crowd, not a good Raw
You got that backwards. Dear post-Mania crowd: the show isn't about you. If you really want to make an impact, go crazy cheering the faces and booing the heels. Don't chant for people that aren't there and do the wave and chant "we are awesome." Barf.

The episode was hot fire, so I'm not sure what you are looking for. Brock dominated hour 1, new wrestlers debuted, Sheamus returned as a heel (a much needed injection of heat), multiple NXT call ups, Bryan vs Ziggler, Cena vs Ambrose.

 
Hoos First said:
Great crowd, not a good Raw
I kind of feel the opposite. A lackluster 3rd hour shouldn't make us forget how awesome the first 2 hours were. On the whole it was a very good show.

I understand the roll that Kane and Big Show play, but at some point they have to stop telling the same story over and over with those 2. I'm pretty easy to please, but those guys really do bore me to tears at this point.

As far as the crowd goes, I've got mixed feelings. I love a hot crowd, but these kinds of crowds can get almost disrespectful at times. For whatever we feel about certain performers, these guys deserve better than some of the inane and vulgar chants they were getting last night. Some examples:

"You suck Cena" at Nikki Bella.

"You f--- Bryan at Brie (similar chants to Natti and Naomi with their husbands)

"Worse than Cena" at Reigns

Chants for NXT, Sami Zayn, and Kevin Owen. Apparently it's not enough we got the Lucha Dragons and Neville. Apparently they ALL have to show up.

"Please retire" at the big show. (at least they said "please")

"Same old sh--"

Let your voice (or silence) be heard, but show a little class. I bring my kids to these shows. And these wrestlers make this their lives to the detriment of their home life and long term health. Show a little appreciation.

 
Hoos First said:
Great crowd, not a good Raw
I kind of feel the opposite. A lackluster 3rd hour shouldn't make us forget how awesome the first 2 hours were. On the whole it was a very good show.

I understand the roll that Kane and Big Show play, but at some point they have to stop telling the same story over and over with those 2. I'm pretty easy to please, but those guys really do bore me to tears at this point.

As far as the crowd goes, I've got mixed feelings. I love a hot crowd, but these kinds of crowds can get almost disrespectful at times. For whatever we feel about certain performers, these guys deserve better than some of the inane and vulgar chants they were getting last night. Some examples:

"You suck Cena" at Nikki Bella.

"You f--- Bryan at Brie (similar chants to Natti and Naomi with their husbands)

"Worse than Cena" at Reigns

Chants for NXT, Sami Zayn, and Kevin Owen. Apparently it's not enough we got the Lucha Dragons and Neville. Apparently they ALL have to show up.

"Please retire" at the big show. (at least they said "please")

"Same old sh--"

Let your voice (or silence) be heard, but show a little class. I bring my kids to these shows. And these wrestlers make this their lives to the detriment of their home life and long term health. Show a little appreciation.
Might want to rethink that. Looks to me like this show is heading back to PG-13 land. At the very least they're pushing the PG boundaries.

 
Brock Lesnar's destruction as called by Jim Ross:

Also, in the comments section there was this notable comment:

This is why the WWE was smart to re-sign Brock. The guy is a beast and he plays it well. And Rollins was the perfect heel to play against it. He comes to the ring all smarmy and high on himself, then slowly comes to realize just what exactly he's done when he sees the look of murder in Brock's eyes.

I loved it when he drop kicked Lesnar, then got up like "Oh ####...uh...heh..." when Brock sprang back to his feet. Such a great segment.

It's also why people hate Reigns. Because Rollins screwed him out of the belt as well. And last night he just walked down to the ring and waited patiently to get tagged in while Rollins stood on the other side of the ring. That's on booking, but at the same time Reigns couldn't even bring himself to look interested in Rollins.

Hell, the fact Rollins ran for his life from Brock but had no issue standing across from Reigns sends a message that Reigns isn't on Brock's level. Despite how badly they want to us to think it.
 
Brock Lesnar's destruction as called by Jim Ross:

Also, in the comments section there was this notable comment:

This is why the WWE was smart to re-sign Brock. The guy is a beast and he plays it well. And Rollins was the perfect heel to play against it. He comes to the ring all smarmy and high on himself, then slowly comes to realize just what exactly he's done when he sees the look of murder in Brock's eyes.

I loved it when he drop kicked Lesnar, then got up like "Oh ####...uh...heh..." when Brock sprang back to his feet. Such a great segment.

It's also why people hate Reigns. Because Rollins screwed him out of the belt as well. And last night he just walked down to the ring and waited patiently to get tagged in while Rollins stood on the other side of the ring. That's on booking, but at the same time Reigns couldn't even bring himself to look interested in Rollins.

Hell, the fact Rollins ran for his life from Brock but had no issue standing across from Reigns sends a message that Reigns isn't on Brock's level. Despite how badly they want to us to think it.
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Bring back JR.

"My foot kinda hurts from curb-stomping both you and Roman Reigns"

 
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If you really want to make an impact, go crazy cheering the faces and booing the heels.
People cheer and boo who they want, not who WWE tells them to. Remember how Vince would ram "freedom of expression" down our throats during the Attitude Era?Keep up your "WWE can do no wrong, #### the indies and their fans" shtick up, though. It's amusing.

 
Hoos First said:
Great crowd, not a good Raw
I kind of feel the opposite. A lackluster 3rd hour shouldn't make us forget how awesome the first 2 hours were. On the whole it was a very good show.

I understand the roll that Kane and Big Show play, but at some point they have to stop telling the same story over and over with those 2. I'm pretty easy to please, but those guys really do bore me to tears at this point.

As far as the crowd goes, I've got mixed feelings. I love a hot crowd, but these kinds of crowds can get almost disrespectful at times. For whatever we feel about certain performers, these guys deserve better than some of the inane and vulgar chants they were getting last night. Some examples:

"You suck Cena" at Nikki Bella.

"You f--- Bryan at Brie (similar chants to Natti and Naomi with their husbands)

"Worse than Cena" at Reigns

Chants for NXT, Sami Zayn, and Kevin Owen. Apparently it's not enough we got the Lucha Dragons and Neville. Apparently they ALL have to show up.

"Please retire" at the big show. (at least they said "please")

"Same old sh--"

Let your voice (or silence) be heard, but show a little class. I bring my kids to these shows. And these wrestlers make this their lives to the detriment of their home life and long term health. Show a little appreciation.
Might want to rethink that. Looks to me like this show is heading back to PG-13 land. At the very least they're pushing the PG boundaries.
Plus, Big Show really should retire. There is no possible one on one match he could be in where I would be remotely interested anymore. I would change the channel if he fought Kevin Owens, Shinsuke Nakamura, or anyone.Same with Kane.

 
Great crowd, not a good Raw
You got that backwards. Dear post-Mania crowd: the show isn't about you. If you really want to make an impact, go crazy cheering the faces and booing the heels. Don't chant for people that aren't there and do the wave and chant "we are awesome." Barf.

The episode was hot fire, so I'm not sure what you are looking for. Brock dominated hour 1, new wrestlers debuted, Sheamus returned as a heel (a much needed injection of heat), multiple NXT call ups, Bryan vs Ziggler, Cena vs Ambrose.
100% disagree about the crowd. The we are awesome chant is obnoxious for sure, but I'm ok with everything else they did. Cheering the faces and booing the heels, because they are supposed to, is about the worst thing I think a crowd can do, other than dead silence. The wave was cool, especially since the main event was garbage and I'm surprised they even did it. 5 guys the crowd hates or doesn't care about, and Rollins, who has to single-handedly carry that mess.

The show was very good, I agree, but I think the crowd helped that, not hurt.

 
My overall thoughts on Mania/Raw after:

Love what they are doing with the IC title right now, ladder match was good, and Bryan/Ziggler are the perfect opponents for each other. Barrett on commentary was awesome, he's probably as good as anybody at it, really liked that he went on about how tough Bryan and Ziggler are, instead of what most people do and just call their opponents losers. Interested to see Sheamus as a heel, its been a long time coming.

Orton as a face is a waste, but his match with Rollins was great. Probably the best finishing sequence of the show. Orton is an odd choice as a face though, the crowd pops for 3 seconds when his music starts, and at the RKO, and basically couldn't care less about anything else about him.

The women's division continues to not be as good as it could be. Matches were average, but there is so much wasted potential here. Hopefully they aren't pushing Naomi, she has arguably the worst offense of any wrestler I've seen and was easily the worst woman in that trios match. She's like a female Kofi, just jump and smile and hope people get on board I guess. We should really retire any butt-based offense unless the person is Yokozuna sized.

Taker/Wyatt was predictably boring. As I have maintained, Taker hasn't been good since 2010, Punk carried him 100% in the one good match he's has since HBK. I wish it had been dark during Wyatt's entrance, I think what was a ittle cheesy, could have been legit creepy with better ambiance.

HHH/Sting was as good as it could have been. It was never a thing that wasn't going to be a schmozz. Frankly, I preferred the segment with Ronda than anything else that HHH did, and I say that as someone who loathes the Rock.

Cena/Rusev was ok. I don't see how Cena is the good guy and Rusev is the bad guy, but whatever. I hope Rusev doesn't go the way of a lot of other highly hyped guys who lost to Cena. Hell, I'm still not sure Wyatt has recovered.

Glad K-Swiss retained, and that the Usos seem to be out of the picture. I don't think anybody has been hurt more by overexposure than the Usos, they are painful to watch and really needed the break. Lukewarm on the Lucha Dragons. Kalisto is great, Sin Cara should be erased from history. I feel like New Day could be good if they were heels, pretty much agree with Booker T, that its crazy that Big E is used as a jobber, he's every bit the talent Reigns is.

Lesnar-Reigns was great, as was the Rollins cash in. Brock is such an amazing treat to watch. He has an aura that nobody else has, everything seems like a big deal when he is involved.

Curious to see what they do with Neville, I think it was a fine debut, though I'd have preferred if he were the one to answer Cena's challenge. Speaking of Cena, I got a kick out of Ambrose instantly being 100X better at Cena's moves than Cena is. That STF actually looked like a move that could hurt somebody for once.

Overall, I thought Wrestlemania and the Raw after were good, I hope they can keep the momentum going, because September-February was basically 6 months of hot garbage, and 2 good shows isn't enough to forgive that.

 
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Glad K-Swiss retained, and that the Usos seem to be out of the picture. I don't think anybody has been hurt more by overexposure than the Usos, they are painful to watch and really needed the break.
Amen. These clowns automatically get me to change the channel like few tag teams in WWE/F history. As soon as their music hits, channel is changed. Marginal team shoved down fans' throats as a 'premier long reigning championship tag team'. I've just never seen it. Kidd/Cesaro have been together maybe 3-4 months and completely blow these guys outta the water. Good depth for tag division, but stop fooling people into thinking Usos are one of the best teams in WWE history.

I never have nor will ever see an episode of Total Divas. Between them and the Bellas, I can't think of very many people (and worse actors on WWE programming in the Bellas case) on the current WWE roster I'd want to see on a reality TV show.

 
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Glad K-Swiss retained, and that the Usos seem to be out of the picture. I don't think anybody has been hurt more by overexposure than the Usos, they are painful to watch and really needed the break.
Amen. These clowns automatically get me to change the channel like few tag teams in WWE/F history. As soon as their music hits, channel is changed. Marginal team shoved down fans' throats as a 'premier long reigning championship tag team'. I've just never seen it. Kidd/Cesaro have been together maybe 3-4 months and completely blow these guys outta the water. Good depth for tag division, but stop fooling people into thinking Usos are one of the best teams in WWE history.I never have nor will ever see an episode of Total Divas. Between them and the Bellas, I can't think of very many people (and worse actors on WWE programming in the Bellas case) on the current WWE roster I'd want to see on a reality TV show.
:shrug:

I still don't understand the hate for the Usos. They always bring high energy, know how to work as a team and can appeal to a wide fan base. It's not their faul that the WWE doesn't give them any decent opponents. When they are given an angle to run with (eg, the Wyatts), the matches are great.

I'd be happy to see them work with Ascension next. Hopefully they can get the new team over and give K-Swiss a different face team to feud with. It would be incredibly refreshing to see multiple tag angles going at the same time.

 
Glad K-Swiss retained, and that the Usos seem to be out of the picture. I don't think anybody has been hurt more by overexposure than the Usos, they are painful to watch and really needed the break.
Amen. These clowns automatically get me to change the channel like few tag teams in WWE/F history. As soon as their music hits, channel is changed. Marginal team shoved down fans' throats as a 'premier long reigning championship tag team'. I've just never seen it. Kidd/Cesaro have been together maybe 3-4 months and completely blow these guys outta the water. Good depth for tag division, but stop fooling people into thinking Usos are one of the best teams in WWE history.I never have nor will ever see an episode of Total Divas. Between them and the Bellas, I can't think of very many people (and worse actors on WWE programming in the Bellas case) on the current WWE roster I'd want to see on a reality TV show.
:shrug:

I still don't understand the hate for the Usos. They always bring high energy, know how to work as a team and can appeal to a wide fan base. It's not their faul that the WWE doesn't give them any decent opponents. When they are given an angle to run with (eg, the Wyatts), the matches are great.

I'd be happy to see them work with Ascension next. Hopefully they can get the new team over and give K-Swiss a different face team to feud with. It would be incredibly refreshing to see multiple tag angles going at the same time.
Holla Playa! Nice to see Teddy Long stopping by.

 
Great crowd, not a good Raw
You got that backwards. Dear post-Mania crowd: the show isn't about you. If you really want to make an impact, go crazy cheering the faces and booing the heels. Don't chant for people that aren't there and do the wave and chant "we are awesome." Barf.

The episode was hot fire, so I'm not sure what you are looking for. Brock dominated hour 1, new wrestlers debuted, Sheamus returned as a heel (a much needed injection of heat), multiple NXT call ups, Bryan vs Ziggler, Cena vs Ambrose.
100% disagree about the crowd. The we are awesome chant is obnoxious for sure, but I'm ok with everything else they did. Cheering the faces and booing the heels, because they are supposed to, is about the worst thing I think a crowd can do, other than dead silence. The wave was cool, especially since the main event was garbage and I'm surprised they even did it. 5 guys the crowd hates or doesn't care about, and Rollins, who has to single-handedly carry that mess.

The show was very good, I agree, but I think the crowd helped that, not hurt.
I certainly feel a fan is entitled to cheer and boo who they want be they faces or heels. Even if I love a heel (like Rollins) I will boo the hell out them anyway because that's what a heel wants to hear and I want him to remain a heel. If I don't like a face, I stay silent. I guess I'm too nice to boo someone who's really trying their best to get over.

But that's just me. If a fan wants to boo Cena and cheer for Rollins, that's cool. To each their own.

I just wish some in the crowd would have enough class to respect the diversity of fans that are in attendance. I don't need my 10 year old daughter hearing "you F*** Cena" chants during a Nikki Bella match". Also things like "CM Punk" chants while AJ Lee is wrestling bother me. She's an excellent performer in her own right. That feels disrespectful to me.

I've noticed that most "Smarks" are unmarried men in their early 20s who probably don't have the life experiences to know better, but it's still annoying to me.

 
Usos are the ultimate kids tag team. Nothing wrong with them. They fill a nice niche......colorful entrance and high flying moves.
Yeah, it's not like they're stiffs in the ring. They move around well and have a lot of energy. They have a lot of charisma and a nice entrance. They try to involve the audience. Where are they deficient? Too cartoonish for the grown ups? :oldunsure:

 
Usos are the ultimate kids tag team. Nothing wrong with them. They fill a nice niche......colorful entrance and high flying moves.
Yeah, it's not like they're stiffs in the ring. They move around well and have a lot of energy. They have a lot of charisma and a nice entrance. They try to involve the audience. Where are they deficient? Too cartoonish for the grown ups? :oldunsure:
I agree with this. I don't root for them. Don't really care for them. But they have their place and hold their own in the ring.

 
Usos = John Cena

Pretty good to great workers who grind on the road, always everywhere. Sell a lot of shirts to the kids, while having predictable, formulaic matches.

 
Great crowd, not a good Raw
You got that backwards. Dear post-Mania crowd: the show isn't about you. If you really want to make an impact, go crazy cheering the faces and booing the heels. Don't chant for people that aren't there and do the wave and chant "we are awesome." Barf.

The episode was hot fire, so I'm not sure what you are looking for. Brock dominated hour 1, new wrestlers debuted, Sheamus returned as a heel (a much needed injection of heat), multiple NXT call ups, Bryan vs Ziggler, Cena vs Ambrose.
100% disagree about the crowd. The we are awesome chant is obnoxious for sure, but I'm ok with everything else they did. Cheering the faces and booing the heels, because they are supposed to, is about the worst thing I think a crowd can do, other than dead silence. The wave was cool, especially since the main event was garbage and I'm surprised they even did it. 5 guys the crowd hates or doesn't care about, and Rollins, who has to single-handedly carry that mess.

The show was very good, I agree, but I think the crowd helped that, not hurt.
I certainly feel a fan is entitled to cheer and boo who they want be they faces or heels. Even if I love a heel (like Rollins) I will boo the hell out them anyway because that's what a heel wants to hear and I want him to remain a heel. If I don't like a face, I stay silent. I guess I'm too nice to boo someone who's really trying their best to get over.

But that's just me. If a fan wants to boo Cena and cheer for Rollins, that's cool. To each their own.

I just wish some in the crowd would have enough class to respect the diversity of fans that are in attendance. I don't need my 10 year old daughter hearing "you F*** Cena" chants during a Nikki Bella match". Also things like "CM Punk" chants while AJ Lee is wrestling bother me. She's an excellent performer in her own right. That feels disrespectful to me.

I've noticed that most "Smarks" are unmarried men in their early 20s who probably don't have the life experiences to know better, but it's still annoying to me.
I agree that those Punk chants at AJ are awful, and that one at Nikki is horrific if true, I never heard it, but sometimes I can't make out what the crowd is chanting. Was it at Mania or Raw?

However, I think people should absolutely be encouraged to cheer or boo whomever they want. I also see no problem at all with the Sami Zayn or Kevin Owens chants, you bought a ticket, you are letting them know who you want to see. Especially when Kane, who should have retired the second he and Bryan broke up, is wrestling. Seriously, the guy is basically immobile and has little to no effort at all, watch him take bumps in any match, he looks like somebody who is terrified of falling down.

I don't know if I'd classify myself as a smark, I'm 30 and married, but I certainly approve of the crowd doing whatever it wants within reason. Chanting same old ****! That is fine with me, doing the wave because the match is boring, and pointless, fine with that too, but yeah that stuff toward the Bellas and AJ, is very inappropriate.

That said, nothing annoys me more than those insipid "what" chants. Hell, I'd take a Punk chant over that. Preferably neither though.

Glad K-Swiss retained, and that the Usos seem to be out of the picture. I don't think anybody has been hurt more by overexposure than the Usos, they are painful to watch and really needed the break.
Amen. These clowns automatically get me to change the channel like few tag teams in WWE/F history. As soon as their music hits, channel is changed. Marginal team shoved down fans' throats as a 'premier long reigning championship tag team'. I've just never seen it. Kidd/Cesaro have been together maybe 3-4 months and completely blow these guys outta the water. Good depth for tag division, but stop fooling people into thinking Usos are one of the best teams in WWE history.I never have nor will ever see an episode of Total Divas. Between them and the Bellas, I can't think of very many people (and worse actors on WWE programming in the Bellas case) on the current WWE roster I'd want to see on a reality TV show.
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I still don't understand the hate for the Usos. They always bring high energy, know how to work as a team and can appeal to a wide fan base. It's not their faul that the WWE doesn't give them any decent opponents. When they are given an angle to run with (eg, the Wyatts), the matches are great.

I'd be happy to see them work with Ascension next. Hopefully they can get the new team over and give K-Swiss a different face team to feud with. It would be incredibly refreshing to see multiple tag angles going at the same time.
I don't think the Usos issues are opponent related, they are Uso related. They are high flyers who are crappy at high flying moves, they are gonna kill themselves with these top rope dives some day, because they are basically aren't athletic enough to do them right. They barely clear the top rope ever, and their opponents have to practically dive into them so they don't cripple themselves. the are like the male versions of Lita in that sense. Watch the Usos, then watch Neville or Rollins, and it is like night and day, hell Reigns looked more impressive on one dive then they have ever looked.

They also aren't very good talkers at all, sub-Bella levels. They always look outclassed whenever the have to tell any story with their words, most recently in the feud against Miz/Mizdow, where they(and Naomi) came off like complete idiots.

They are booked weirdly like cena in that they are faces, but are the bad guys of most stories they are in, again, the Miz/Mizdow feud is a good example. They had good matches against the Shield, but so did everyone else, they didn't stand out at all. Other than the push they get, I really don't see how they are all that different than the Matadores. They probably should have been turned heel instead of the Rhodes brothers way back when.

Also, Bogart mentioned that they sell a lot of shirts to kids. Is that really that big of a deal though? I mean, kids are pretty fickle. Do they like the Usos, or do they like a tag team that wins all the time and is presented as the team you should be cheering for? I feel like given the push the Usos have gotten, their are a bunch of teams that would be just as popular and sell just as many shirts, if not more.

 
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Just got to see the Neville match from RAW. Great debut. He looked even quicker on the big stage as opposed to NXT. Makes Bryan look slow. Can't wait to see Neville/Ziggler and Neville/Bryan. Even Neville/Big Show might be fun.

 
I think it'd be really interesting to have one Monday night where fans simply cheer the faces and boo the heels. Isn't that what happens on the indy shows? I know it's what happens on WWE house shows - the "Cena sucks" chants were very light at the house show in Minneapolis a few weeks ago.

I don't know...I guess I just think the product would be a lot more fun if people simply enjoyed the show instead of trying to direct the show.

 
The latest Jericho podcast with Edge as his guest was really good where they recapped WM. His rant against the hecklers at the HoF was pretty good as well. You can tell that REALLY bothered him.

 
I think it'd be really interesting to have one Monday night where fans simply cheer the faces and boo the heels. Isn't that what happens on the indy shows? I know it's what happens on WWE house shows - the "Cena sucks" chants were very light at the house show in Minneapolis a few weeks ago.

I don't know...I guess I just think the product would be a lot more fun if people simply enjoyed the show instead of trying to direct the show.
I dont' think anyone is playing a part or trying to direct anything. Cena doesnt suck but he is tired. Fans, ironically will explode for him, if he turns heel.

Every fan gets tired of wrestlers in their role after a while. He's obviously a passionate, dedicated guy, but I'm sure he'd agree with the stagnant feeling.

 
I think it'd be really interesting to have one Monday night where fans simply cheer the faces and boo the heels. Isn't that what happens on the indy shows? I know it's what happens on WWE house shows - the "Cena sucks" chants were very light at the house show in Minneapolis a few weeks ago.

I don't know...I guess I just think the product would be a lot more fun if people simply enjoyed the show instead of trying to direct the show.
I dont' think anyone is playing a part or trying to direct anything. Cena doesnt suck but he is tired. Fans, ironically will explode for him, if he turns heel.

Every fan gets tired of wrestlers in their role after a while. He's obviously a passionate, dedicated guy, but I'm sure he'd agree with the stagnant feeling.
I don't even want Cena to turn heel. I think he just needs to be a little more natural and not as cartoonish. He killed it on Kimmel last week just by acting like a normal guy.

 
The latest Jericho podcast with Edge as his guest was really good where they recapped WM. His rant against the hecklers at the HoF was pretty good as well. You can tell that REALLY bothered him.
I missed that. Where people really heckling the inductees? :loco:

That's kind of what I've been talking about. Some fans don't seem to know where the line is between being a rabid fan and being an ###.

 
Just got to see the Neville match from RAW. Great debut. He looked even quicker on the big stage as opposed to NXT. Makes Bryan look slow. Can't wait to see Neville/Ziggler and Neville/Bryan. Even Neville/Big Show might be fun.
It looks like they're really going to be pushing the "man that gravity forgot" part of his act. Hopefully they don't go too overboard with that. From the little I've seen of him at NXT, he offers a lot more than just the amazing "high flyer" moves.

 
The latest Jericho podcast with Edge as his guest was really good where they recapped WM. His rant against the hecklers at the HoF was pretty good as well. You can tell that REALLY bothered him.
I missed that. Where people really heckling the inductees? :loco:

That's kind of what I've been talking about. Some fans don't seem to know where the line is between being a rabid fan and being an ###.
Apparently there were a lot of 'WHAT' and 'you f'd up' chants and crap involving the Bushwackers induction. I didn't see the HoF, so I can't say when these things happened.

 
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The latest Jericho podcast with Edge as his guest was really good where they recapped WM. His rant against the hecklers at the HoF was pretty good as well. You can tell that REALLY bothered him.
I missed that. Where people really heckling the inductees? :loco:

That's kind of what I've been talking about. Some fans don't seem to know where the line is between being a rabid fan and being an ###.
They booed RR when Rakishi was going thru the members of his family who are wrestlers.

 
I think it'd be really interesting to have one Monday night where fans simply cheer the faces and boo the heels. Isn't that what happens on the indy shows? I know it's what happens on WWE house shows - the "Cena sucks" chants were very light at the house show in Minneapolis a few weeks ago.

I don't know...I guess I just think the product would be a lot more fun if people simply enjoyed the show instead of trying to direct the show.
I've always rooted for Jericho and CM Punk when they were heels, but I still boo'd the hell out of them. That's the way you show support for a heel. It's music to their ears.

The only time I cheered a "heel" at a live event was when Hart was working his angle against Austin, but that's because I considered Hart the good guy in that feud.

 
The latest Jericho podcast with Edge as his guest was really good where they recapped WM. His rant against the hecklers at the HoF was pretty good as well. You can tell that REALLY bothered him.
I missed that. Where people really heckling the inductees? :loco:

That's kind of what I've been talking about. Some fans don't seem to know where the line is between being a rabid fan and being an ###.
Apparently there were a lot of 'WHAT' and 'you f'd up' chants and crap involving the Bushwackers induction. I didn't see the HoF, so I can't say when these things happened.
Just listened to that part of the Jericho podcast. Yeah, he was really pissed, and rightfully so. Also it sounds like he's taken a lot of abuse just for saying he likes Roman Reigns. Weird.

 
I think it'd be really interesting to have one Monday night where fans simply cheer the faces and boo the heels. Isn't that what happens on the indy shows? I know it's what happens on WWE house shows - the "Cena sucks" chants were very light at the house show in Minneapolis a few weeks ago.

I don't know...I guess I just think the product would be a lot more fun if people simply enjoyed the show instead of trying to direct the show.
You probably wouldn't have wanted to hang with me and my buds back in the day. We made it our mission to cheer for the heels and annoy our fellow fans.Since we're all over 6 feet tall and weigh between 270-350, we got little more than dirty looks. :lol:

 
I think it'd be really interesting to have one Monday night where fans simply cheer the faces and boo the heels. Isn't that what happens on the indy shows? I know it's what happens on WWE house shows - the "Cena sucks" chants were very light at the house show in Minneapolis a few weeks ago.

I don't know...I guess I just think the product would be a lot more fun if people simply enjoyed the show instead of trying to direct the show.
Pfft. That comment basically screams, "Fans should just lap up the #### Vince is feeding them and mindlessly cheer and boo for whom he tells them to."

While I think some of the smarks who go to live shows go overboard sometimes, it's good to see that fans aren't always as dumb as Vince thinks they are.

 
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