KiddLattimer
Footballguy
####ty ending to an otherwise great match... I'm sure I'm in the minority on this one
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KiddLattimer
Footballguy
WHEN MY HAND GOES UP YOUR MOUTH GOES SHUT!!! - Love the way Miz works a crowdlol.....That was amusing. Miz gave one of his better heel promos and Big Show didn't say a word. Perfect.I was worried we wouldn't get to see Big Show tonight... YES! YES! YES!
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Rollins just isn't believable against Lesnar IMO 
Glad they went the screwjob route. Not like every other Rollins match hasn't been that way the past 6 months. And Taker's a lot more interesting than Kane & Jabroni security.
Glad they went the screwjob route. Not like every other Rollins match hasn't been that way the past 6 months. And Taker's a lot more interesting than Kane & Jabroni security.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I thought Rollins did about as well as one was going to do against Lesnar. He kept it entertaining.Rollins just isn't believable against Lesnar IMO
Glad they went the screwjob route. Not like every other Rollins match hasn't been that way the past 6 months. And Taker's a lot more interesting than Kane & Jabroni security.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I thought they were going to have Sheamus try and cash in in the middle....and then promptly get his ### kicked.
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
"Any time you can kill the heat of your industry's biggest babyface with a 50-year-old man, you have to do it." - Andy McCullough on Twitter.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I disagree 100%. R-Truth could be believable against Lesnar if the booking/presentation is right, its just the story they tell makes it seem like it isn't the case. They couldn't have booked this Rollins title run worse, its kind of embarrassing really. He's gotten one chance to have a great title defense, had an excellent match at MITB against Ambrose, and has basically been an empty vessel otherwise. Complete waste of probably the best talent in the company.Rollins just isn't believable against Lesnar IMO
Glad they went the screwjob route. Not like every other Rollins match hasn't been that way the past 6 months. And Taker's a lot more interesting than Kane & Jabroni security.
I thought the overall show kinda sucked. Cena/Owens has been diminishing returns for months, the best match was easily their 1st one.
Orton/Sheamus needs to never happen again, they've fought hundreds of time, and it has never once been good.
The women's match was ok, but could have been much better and probably will be in the future. I'd have rather seen Becky than Charlotte, but not a big gripe with that. Kinda thought they should have had Sasha win, since of the three people in the match, she's the only one who is the #1 of her group. Maybe Charlotte is too, but it seems like Paige is, idk, maybe they are all equals, but that group seems WAY better than the other 2 groups. Kinda waiting on a heel turn there, its pretty much in her blood.
The tag title match may have been the match of the night for me. I think the New Day might be my favorite thing on the main roster right now. Consistently good matches, and Woods especially constantly cracking me up on the outside.
Wyatt/Reigns was much better than I thought it would be. Nice to see Wyatt get a win for seemingly the first time this year. They kinda dropped the whole thing with Reigns' daughter, which I thought was what the feud was about, but that must have scared some people too much to stick with.
Undertaker/Lesnar generates zero interest for me. It was an awful match at Mania, and was only memorable for its importance historically. I don't think Taker is capable of having a good match anymore, he hasn't had on since maybe Punk, and that was Punk basically killing himself to make Taker look decent. Its probably been since Michaels at Mania 2010.
I think it was strange that there was nothing from Ambrose(the most popular guy the last 3-4 months) or Cesaro(who has been on fire the last few weeks) seems like a big waste to me.
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I can definitely understand why they offered this PPV for "free" for new people signing up for the Network. This felt like a glorified version of RAW.
I'm not a fan of the whole "lights go out" and someone interferes angle. It just seems a little bit too cartoonish to be doing in 2015 and we've seen it twice this year if you include Wyatt's run-in at MITB. I feel like the product has evolved past that point but I have to remind myself that I am watching wrestling. Their goal is to go from Point A to Point B while making everyone look as strong as possible in the process.
I do enjoy the prospect of Rollins holding onto the belt a bit longer but I can't really imagine a fresh feud for him. He's already had a program with Orton and Ambrose recently. I was thinking that Lesnar would win the belt back at Summerslam and hold until WrestleMania but that probably isn't going to happen. Sheamus as MITB is a complete joke. I honestly think he's going to cash-in and lose at this rate. He doesn't fit in. The crowd simply doesn't care.
You really have to think that Rollins is going to hold the strap until Mania where he loses it to Reigns, Ambrose, or Lesnar. I think by that time the WWE will have done a good enough job building up Sheamus, Kevin Owens, and Rusev to give whichever babyface ends up with the belt a nice 6 month set of feuds to work with.
I'm not a fan of the whole "lights go out" and someone interferes angle. It just seems a little bit too cartoonish to be doing in 2015 and we've seen it twice this year if you include Wyatt's run-in at MITB. I feel like the product has evolved past that point but I have to remind myself that I am watching wrestling. Their goal is to go from Point A to Point B while making everyone look as strong as possible in the process.
I do enjoy the prospect of Rollins holding onto the belt a bit longer but I can't really imagine a fresh feud for him. He's already had a program with Orton and Ambrose recently. I was thinking that Lesnar would win the belt back at Summerslam and hold until WrestleMania but that probably isn't going to happen. Sheamus as MITB is a complete joke. I honestly think he's going to cash-in and lose at this rate. He doesn't fit in. The crowd simply doesn't care.
You really have to think that Rollins is going to hold the strap until Mania where he loses it to Reigns, Ambrose, or Lesnar. I think by that time the WWE will have done a good enough job building up Sheamus, Kevin Owens, and Rusev to give whichever babyface ends up with the belt a nice 6 month set of feuds to work with.
coyote5
Footballguy
What was the deal with the end of the tag team match? The Players retain the belts but immediately scurry out of the ring and celebrate half way up the ramp while New Day remained in the ring. Weird question I guess, but I just found it odd that the champs were up on the ropes celebrating in the ring.
Also thought 'Taker's interference was kinda lame.
Also thought 'Taker's interference was kinda lame.
RBM
Footballguy
I think they're going to say its because of what happened to Kane. But yeah, I have no interest in seeing Taker-Brock. First one stunk, second one will probably be worse and I don't need to worry about some old guy getting seriously injured. That's not entertaining. Kevin Owens, I know you're awesome but get in line behind Wyatt and Rusev. You were built up just to, once again, make Cena look super. Vince can #### off with this formula.
Most over guy on the everyday roster and they can't come up with anything for him. Amazing. Why isn't Ambrose the IC champ again?
Welcome home Harper. Now let's have him and Wyatt dominate the roster like they should have a year ago.
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HellToupee
Footballguy
I thought he looked better than at wrestlemania. He did appear to have a strugle getting Brock up one time
Bogart
Footballguy
I might be in the minority, but I enjoyed the PPV, although I thought they could have done the UT interference different.
I thought the crowd made the Orton/Sheamus match with the "Yea" for each Orton blow and "Boo" for each Sheamus blow. And normally I don't enjoy either of these guys, but I thought it was a good WWE style match.
The tag team match was made even more entertaining by the tweet of our very own Virgil:
Divas match is just an example of what is to come. They got lots of time and Brie bumped her extremely hot ### off. This division is set for the next year.
Cena/Owens was just plan awesome. Was it good as the first one? I don't know. But I would imagine that as amazing as sex would be the first time with a nympho supermodel, the third time you had sex with the same supermodel would be pretty fantastic as well. The AA off the second rope was insane. The look of confusion on Cena's face when KO kicked out after was priceless. I want these two again at WM. Let Owens spend the next half a year dominating the roster but in the back of his mind, he isn't validated as an WWE superstar until he beats Cena once and for all.
The main event was good until the end, but I'm not sure how else you book it. Lesnar has to dominate the match against this version of Rollins, and if you need Rollins to still hold the belt afterwards, a revenge seeking UT makes good sense. Honestly, I would have used the Harper black hoodie and just let Rollins be DQd when UT attacks Lesnar.
Overall, you now have 5 weeks to plan for SummerSlam and I think it could be booked to be a great show.
I thought the crowd made the Orton/Sheamus match with the "Yea" for each Orton blow and "Boo" for each Sheamus blow. And normally I don't enjoy either of these guys, but I thought it was a good WWE style match.
The tag team match was made even more entertaining by the tweet of our very own Virgil:
Wyatt/Reigns went a bit long in my opinion, but it worked for everything you want to accomplish. Wyatt got a much needed win, Harper back with Wyatt is huge, and Reigns gets yet another quality hard worked match under his belt.
Divas match is just an example of what is to come. They got lots of time and Brie bumped her extremely hot ### off. This division is set for the next year.
Cena/Owens was just plan awesome. Was it good as the first one? I don't know. But I would imagine that as amazing as sex would be the first time with a nympho supermodel, the third time you had sex with the same supermodel would be pretty fantastic as well. The AA off the second rope was insane. The look of confusion on Cena's face when KO kicked out after was priceless. I want these two again at WM. Let Owens spend the next half a year dominating the roster but in the back of his mind, he isn't validated as an WWE superstar until he beats Cena once and for all.
The main event was good until the end, but I'm not sure how else you book it. Lesnar has to dominate the match against this version of Rollins, and if you need Rollins to still hold the belt afterwards, a revenge seeking UT makes good sense. Honestly, I would have used the Harper black hoodie and just let Rollins be DQd when UT attacks Lesnar.
Overall, you now have 5 weeks to plan for SummerSlam and I think it could be booked to be a great show.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
The IWC out of side one of mouth: "we miss the attitude era, where weird stuff and surprise appearances happened all the time"
The IWC out of side two of mouth: "the Undertaker surprise appearance was lame"
Here is the key question - Is Undertaker a heel? He attacked the top babyface, helped Seth Rollins, and threw a low blow.
I really liked Wyatt vs Reigns, but I wish the crowd would drop the Roman hate and acknowledge that he's been really, really good since Mania. Those guys were working really stiff, but the crowd kept booing Roman's comebacks, and that took the fun out of it.
The IWC out of side two of mouth: "the Undertaker surprise appearance was lame"
Here is the key question - Is Undertaker a heel? He attacked the top babyface, helped Seth Rollins, and threw a low blow.
I really liked Wyatt vs Reigns, but I wish the crowd would drop the Roman hate and acknowledge that he's been really, really good since Mania. Those guys were working really stiff, but the crowd kept booing Roman's comebacks, and that took the fun out of it.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
I'm alright with Ambrose getting a show off. It keeps guys from getting over-exposed / "shoved down our throats".
I think you are misreading the Reigns stuff, the crowd has been against him lately, because they have been putting him up against people that are more popular than he is. Bray Wyatt has a huge fanbase among adults, and obviously Lesnar does too. People weren't booing Reigns when he was fighting Sheamus.
I think the attitude era was overrated, but it didn't have 50 year old guys showing up and dropping the top guy in the company, and making the champ look like a chump. WWE has taken the worst memories of that era, and assumed that was what made it popular. Imagine if the Rock was defending the title against Austin, and then the Ultimate Warrior came out and beat up everyone.
What made the attitude era popular wasn't weird stuff and surprises, it was constantly promoting younger wrestlers and fresh matchups, Weird stuff and surprises is what put WCW out of business.
I can't imagine why anyone, anywhere would be interested in Lesnar/Taker. Taker was gassed after doing two moves.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Bogart
Footballguy
I don't think Taker wrestles a match necessarily.
Vince used up all of the Lesnar RAW appearances for a while most likely. What if Taker just becomes a cooler version of Kane in the Authority? He can talk about wanting revenge on Lesnar due to WM/Kane's leg. Show up at a few RAWs in support of Rollins, then turn on him when the time comes for Rollins to drop the belt. Goes away until WM. Glenn Jacobs comes back rested and gets one last run in the mask.
Vince used up all of the Lesnar RAW appearances for a while most likely. What if Taker just becomes a cooler version of Kane in the Authority? He can talk about wanting revenge on Lesnar due to WM/Kane's leg. Show up at a few RAWs in support of Rollins, then turn on him when the time comes for Rollins to drop the belt. Goes away until WM. Glenn Jacobs comes back rested and gets one last run in the mask.
MattFancy
Footballguy
OC Zed
Footballguy
They couldn't run with a Taker/Lesnar storyline after WM30 b/c Taker was too banged up from the match (suffered a severe concussion and maybe some other injuries).
I'm guessing they are running with this now b/c (a) they want to put them together at SS, and/or (b) they want to start a long build towards next year's WM.
OC Zed
Footballguy
I never fully bought into Lesnar as a face to begin with, so I don't have a huge problem with cheering for Undertaker as a face.
And I thought the Wyatt/Reigns match was mediocre at best. Reigns is still limited by a tiny move set (punch, kick, samoan drop, repeat) and needs to rely on his opponent to absolutely carry him (Wyatt couldn't).
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
This doesn't fit the IWC narrative at all. Wyatt's BURIED too deep because he lost to John Cena and the Undertaker. Nobody cares about him at all anymore, and it's all the WWE's fault.
OC Zed
Footballguy
You guys keep talking about how "weak" Rollins' title reign has been... folks, this is how heels win: THEY CHEAT.
And, not surprisingly, heels were cheating back in the Attitude era as well (and for 80 years before that). Do you think Rock was winning clean the majority of the time when he was the champ and aligned himself with Vince???? #### no, he was relying on outside interference all of the time.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Wyatt and Regins both rely on punches too much, but I thought their match came together well. It got mixed reviews on Straight Shoot last night (https://youtu.be/5_65N35fzZo). Brennan Williams liked it a lot, and he watched it without sound.
Here's a tangent ... the IWC is really going crazy about Cena going over last night. If fans had embraced Reigns' ascension to the top, he could have won at Mania, become the top guy, and Cena's story could be more flexible. Instead, fans rejected Reigns, and WWE has to stick with Cena.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
So when does Cena drop the belt? I maybe can see a Cesaro, Owens, Cena triple threat at SS.
Owens still going after the NXT title hurts IMO.
Owens still going after the NXT title hurts IMO.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I think you debut balor winning it
OC Zed
Footballguy
I'm not really that bent on Cena going over last night. First, I don't know that this feud is over (maybe it is, maybe it isn't). Second, Owens' profile was infinitely raised by it win or lose and he should be a major force going forward. Unlike Wyatt or Rusev (previous Cena victims), Owens doesn't need a strong story behind his angles - he can simply get over on his in-ring work... thus no rub on him by the loss.
OC Zed
Footballguy
Cena dropping it in a triple-threat match at SS (between him, Cesaro and Owens) makes too much sense. He can lose the strap without getting pinned and Owens and Cesaro could be propelled into a new angle together that could last until Survivor Series.
Alternatively, they can let Cena ride with the title for a while... this has been a surprisingly fun run the last 4 or 5 months with some excellent matches on PPVs and with the Open challenge.
SlaX
Footballguy
I hope they don't go the route of Taker wanting to avenge his defeat. I'd rather he look for revenge for what Brock did to his "brother" last week. It would work better given the timing. Otherwise, Taker looks like a bitter old man mad about a defeat 18 friggin' months ago.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I know because of injuries and boring story lines, we are seeing all these NXT call ups, but I would have loved to see some WWE/NXT wars. Sort of like what was done with ECW and One Night stands. Have different WWE guys show up and cause havoc at NXT events and so forth. I know it has been done over and over, but I think a guy like Ambrose could really sell this.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
9:00 pop!.....Nice. Thought the ring was going to fall in....
HellToupee
Footballguy
was Brock arrested by a bunch of mailmen?
Bogart
Footballguy
The more I think about Brock vs. Taker at SummerSlam, the more I don't like it. Brock gets nothing out of a win, and Taker getting a win hurts this monster you have been building for three years now.
Can we start a Kickstarter to get Cole to quit saying "Vintage"?
The slingshot into the RKO was pretty badass, I must admit. And the hometown fans go home super happy.
Can we start a Kickstarter to get Cole to quit saying "Vintage"?
The slingshot into the RKO was pretty badass, I must admit. And the hometown fans go home super happy.
OC Zed
Footballguy
Did they announce it for SS tonight? I was hoping this would be a long, slow tease to WM.
Bogart
Footballguy
It's for SummerSlam. Would have been better as a long tease, but man did they shoot their load tonight.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Awesome Raw... my favorite one in I can't tell you, at least a year...
I loved basically everything except for the commentating over the womens matches. I'm not sold on the diva revolution but my god that commentating did nothing to get things over... keep the bellas away from a hot mic.
But... I'll take it...
Loved the taker/lesnar stuff... that brawl presentation felt like a nod to how Dusty put on the NWA stuff with the pull apart brawl and the locker room emptying..
taker's opening promo may have been a touch over the top by I liked it
Lana/Ruslev/Summer stuff all got much better absent Ziggler
Cesaro made Orton and Cena as fun as they've ever been, that was a troika that that worked
That stuff stood out but nice to get Wyatt and Harper again and Roman was very effective when not made the lead guy and just allowed to be be instead of being forced. Mo
Little elements of the presentation are just better and made it funner. Something as simple as the lights out/lights on taker in the ring from last night and today harkens back to old ECW but its such an energetic pop to the presentation instead of the same entrances over and over. Shock us, shake us up and it will make the other stuff look better.
I'm sure they'll do it to death now that I even thought it but right now its cool
I loved basically everything except for the commentating over the womens matches. I'm not sold on the diva revolution but my god that commentating did nothing to get things over... keep the bellas away from a hot mic.
But... I'll take it...
Loved the taker/lesnar stuff... that brawl presentation felt like a nod to how Dusty put on the NWA stuff with the pull apart brawl and the locker room emptying..
taker's opening promo may have been a touch over the top by I liked it
Lana/Ruslev/Summer stuff all got much better absent Ziggler
Cesaro made Orton and Cena as fun as they've ever been, that was a troika that that worked
That stuff stood out but nice to get Wyatt and Harper again and Roman was very effective when not made the lead guy and just allowed to be be instead of being forced. Mo
Little elements of the presentation are just better and made it funner. Something as simple as the lights out/lights on taker in the ring from last night and today harkens back to old ECW but its such an energetic pop to the presentation instead of the same entrances over and over. Shock us, shake us up and it will make the other stuff look better.
I'm sure they'll do it to death now that I even thought it but right now its cool
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
RAW was pretty good.
Sasha Banks makes these Bella bimbos look so small time. (So does Charlotte but Banks is in a league of her own). Best diva worker, hottest diva, best personality, best heel, best at working a crowd, etc....etc.... etc..... Kudos to WWE creating this trios diva stuff to get the focus off the title (and extend this Nikki Bella sham of a title run to surpass AJ Lee's record reign). Keep switching face/heel every week bimbos. They'll never be over
Brie Bella is one the most talentless divas in WWE history. Go home already and be a mommy.
While Taker wanting revenge 16-17 months after a loss is weird, but their program will be the best thing at Summerslam.
Seth Rollins reign has been an abomination. Tremendous worker. Programs and storylines have sucked. Too bad. John Cena's segment 2nite with him is the truth. Cena's US Title Challenge has been the best thing on RAW every week.
Sasha Banks makes these Bella bimbos look so small time. (So does Charlotte but Banks is in a league of her own). Best diva worker, hottest diva, best personality, best heel, best at working a crowd, etc....etc.... etc..... Kudos to WWE creating this trios diva stuff to get the focus off the title (and extend this Nikki Bella sham of a title run to surpass AJ Lee's record reign). Keep switching face/heel every week bimbos. They'll never be over
Brie Bella is one the most talentless divas in WWE history. Go home already and be a mommy.While Taker wanting revenge 16-17 months after a loss is weird, but their program will be the best thing at Summerslam.
Seth Rollins reign has been an abomination. Tremendous worker. Programs and storylines have sucked. Too bad. John Cena's segment 2nite with him is the truth. Cena's US Title Challenge has been the best thing on RAW every week.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
I missed any Wyatt segment tonight, but read a rumored Summerslam match could be:
6 man match: Reigns, Ambrose, Sting vs. Wyatt, Harper and possible new Wyatt member......
BO!!!! Guy desperately needs a reboot. They already killed his current gimmick. (though NXT wrestler Baron Corbin also rumored but I don't see him getting called up that quick). Rowan's supposedly out for quite awhile and not an option
Bogart
Footballguy
I am right there with you. Best thing going.
And NXT is just reloading with a newly packaged Emma (who is awesome), Dana Brooke, Alexis Bliss and Bailey. Hell, even Blue Pants and Carmella are putting on matches that would have dominated Attitude Era RAW.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
It's a trifling point in regards to the women....but I hate it when they make the move to bounce off the ropes. They barely bend the ropes and it doesn't look even remotely realistic.
HellToupee
Footballguy
I like New Day but they essentially took Bo's gimmick without the Bo-leave tag line at the end
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