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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
The fact that Balor alone got bumped back to mid-card status after being the first Universal champion is both puzzling and maddening. If he was good enough to hold your top strap, then he should be re-inserted into the title picture after he comes back from injury.
DJackson10
Footballguy
It was nothing more then getting Roman cheap cheers. KO/Zayne were gonna get cheers in their hometown no matter what.
DJackson10
Footballguy
They can't do anything that might interfere with them trying to get Roman over despite it not working now for 3 yrs.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Again look at it this way it's all for Roman. They DO it for Roman. They are so afraid of other going over him because they are so desperate of John Cena passing the torch to Roman.
DJackson10
Footballguy
So there's rumors now that Cena and Nikki really never broke up. Apparently relationship experts who do celebrity and such break ups have been doing some PI work and theres talks that Total Divas/Total Bellas had them break up to generate TV ratings. Just goes to prove to you what I've said about these shows for yrs they are all fake. The Robertsons duck dynasty? They are a christian family well kept in I believe Texas in a gated community. Half the Jersey Shore fights? Staged. Stephanie Lagross from survivor who married Phillies Pitcher Kyle Kendrick was on Survivor. Her maid of Honor was one of my HS teachers. She said when they weren't filming Surviovr put them in a hotel on the resort or near it. This is why I never watch any of these clown shows.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Sounds like given that many of the matches Sunday at Backtrash are inter promotional there won't be any title changes. I could see Nakamura winning the WWE title though. However given it's a NoDQ match I could see them have Style low blow Nakamura and they continue the feud that way.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
SlaX
Footballguy
That's the difference with Lex. In WCW, he was well over with the fans. I can't say the same about the WWF.
SlaX
Footballguy
Lex had from July '93 til Wrestlemania X in March '94. Though, it was practically dead by Survivor Series, they still milked it til WM.Even Lex didn't get 3+ years. Did he even get 3 months with that gimmcik?
It's now changed into an Empire.
What’s up with Peyton Royce’s chin at :45 in this interview with Renee Young? Is that a bad chin implant?
DJackson10
Footballguy
Alert to all Single guys. TESSA BLANCHARD IS SINGLE!!!!!!!! 
Apparently her and Ricochet broke up months ago. There was a report WWE wanted both and figured like the Bennet's they'd come as a packaged deal. However they broke up. WWE still wanted Tessa for the next Mae Young Classic (Seems like they are having another one soon) but she signed with TNA and made her debut over the last 2 or so weeks.
Apparently her and Ricochet broke up months ago. There was a report WWE wanted both and figured like the Bennet's they'd come as a packaged deal. However they broke up. WWE still wanted Tessa for the next Mae Young Classic (Seems like they are having another one soon) but she signed with TNA and made her debut over the last 2 or so weeks.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Five years ago today the best Faction in Pro Wrestling since N.W.O was formed in the Bullet Club. That's just TOO SWEET!!!!
DJackson10
Footballguy
DB looks like he's doing a full WWE schedule. Also Y2J attacked Naito so it's looks like we are gonna get the match that was teased at New Beginning early January.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
It was curious as I hadn't seen pictures of the two of them together lately. She was modeling a swimsuit in a selfie on IG.Alert to all Single guys. TESSA BLANCHARD IS SINGLE!!!!!!!!
I saw her ring entrance on social media this AM. The bad girl thing works for her.
Smoo
Fear the Beaver
Just got back into WWE last year after a long hiatus. Don't understand fans. Don't understand all the heat on Roman Reigns... the guy works hard and cuts a good promo. Give him a ####### break. Don't understand the love for Nakamura. The guy looks like the QWOP dude with a mouthguard.
Happy Rusev Day.
Happy Rusev Day.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
DJackson10
Footballguy
His matches vs Omega were amazing. I think Kenny's contract is up at the end of January though same for The Young Bucks. I could be wrong though.
DJackson10
Footballguy
This would explain why you don't get it. I suggest going back to when The Shield debuted and run all the way from there till now. Roman's push wasn't genuine. He had a rocket put in his ### and shot to the top immediately instead of earning it because Vince wants him to be the new Cena. A lot of the reasons we've hated Cena over the years is why we hate Roman now. It hasn't worked for 3 yrs yet they continue stuff like having him break the 4th wall, curse, do shoot promos, and even planting Roman fans around the arena as well as editing videos of crowd booing.
As for Nakamura. Go back and watch his NJPW run. Especially watch his match vs Styles at Wrestle Kingdom. then watch his NxT run. Both him and Balor have been void of what makes them great. They are now nothing more then WWE cookie cutters what WWE wants them to be. A lot of that can be contributed to Vince.
DJackson10
Footballguy
And the future MRS ADAM Cole BAYBAY!!!!!!! I met her a few times as I use to watch Cole in his early Ring of Honor days. One of my Co workers was good friends with Gene Spolotisky (SP) who ran ROH but is famous from working with Paul Heyman in ECW days. He use to get us tickets to ROH shows all the time. She came to a few events when they started dating. Great people. DJ Hyde who trained Cole and is in CZW knows my co worker too. Cole and I are almost exactly a year apart in age (I'm older). I was so happy when I saw him at Takeover last year. I literally Marked out.
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Smoo
Fear the Beaver
(re: Reigns) I was actually already planning to. Looking forward to it. But that doesn't nullify my point. If a guy is getting pushed who doesn't deserve it (see: Jason Jordan) then absolutely, let's boo the #### out of him. But Roman Reigns and John Cena... I mean, what the hell do people want? Those guys are good. So people ride their nuts just because they don't like that Vince also wants them to be successful? Boo because somebody actually isn't good. Booing just because Vince likes them seems like childish posturing.
(re: everything else) I think you and I are looking for different things from wrestling.
For me, I didn’t enjoy watching RR. He bored me. I much prefer other guys like Strowman or Samoa Joe. And yet RR keeps showing up, and WWE seems to be telling me that I have to cheer for him, because he’s the guy. I want him to just go away, but he’s always right there in my face.
That’s why I hate him and why I resent Vince pushing him so hard. And why, even if he was otherwise enjoyable to watch, I’ll still hate watching him.
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hagmania
Footballguy
hagmania
Footballguy
I think Roman is a fine worker, and for the most part he delivers the lines he is given with something behind them. At this point I think he has earned his spot, if not at the very top then close to it. I just can't stand the underdog booking. If his character is going to be the Big Dog, then I want to see the Big Dog, not this Big Underdog we've been dealing with recently.
And please lose the chest protector.
When I am at a live event, I don't boo Roman Reigns after the match starts; that's part of being a wrestling fan to me: you boo the presented heels and cheer the presented faces. The intro music booing is pretty fun to join in on though.
This has concluded hagmania's Roman Reigns rant. To replay, have someone new come in thread championing Roman Reigns.
And please lose the chest protector.
When I am at a live event, I don't boo Roman Reigns after the match starts; that's part of being a wrestling fan to me: you boo the presented heels and cheer the presented faces. The intro music booing is pretty fun to join in on though.
This has concluded hagmania's Roman Reigns rant. To replay, have someone new come in thread championing Roman Reigns.
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DJackson10
Footballguy
In ring wise neither is a great performer. It's the same 5 moves. Roman is limited to what he can do in the ring. We aren't expect an over the top rope flip or a shooting star press from the guy but we expect to see more then 5 moves. Reason why a lot of people believe Hogan wrestling in ring ability was incredible overrated. If you've seen one Hogan match you've seen them all. Same with Roman. Roman doesn't get the crowd like Dean Ambrose did or how the fans went to Seth Rollins. Theres a difference in what success is now compared to the Monday Night Wars successs. Today Vince can afford to have lazy booking and not lose fans. If he pulled this nonsense during the Monday Night wars people would've switched to ECW or Monday Night Nitro. There really is no competition for Vince to be fearful of. Some people thought TNA could have been like 10 yrs ago and it was looking that way till they got into financial trouble and started signing the likes of Hogan and Bischoff and it went downhill from there. Today's success is more generated because there's no competition. It's hard for US fans to get New Japan since its only on AXS and most of what they show is a year behind what they are at now. ROH is good but not popular enough or on Main Steam TV. Cena there's also a lot of backstage nonsense of him being a corporate stooge. From getting people fired for petty reasons as well as things like Nikkie Bella his GF at the time being pushed to the moon. Similar has been said about Mickie James when she was with him. Also for similar as @hagmania I want to enjoy certain wrestlers but everytime I try to here comes Roman showing up for no reason. Lose the Chest Protector as well. This isn't The Shield anymore.
Also I hate Roman's overall character. it's boring a stale. It's like Randy Orton being a face it's boring. Randy Orton heel kicking people's heads off was cool. Roman should've won the title at GRR and then turned heel. Cut a promo how everyone wasn't behind him and basically screw the fans. Another reason people hate Cena here too. I hate the Super Cena gimmick. The whole shooting on The Rock about leaving WWE for Hollywood? Cena is doing the same thing. My one co worker does TV Production for WWE when they come to Philly (Vince offered him a full time road job with WWE production doing cameras and stuff but my Co worker is not great traveling long distances and already had health issues so he declined. Vince asked if he could do part time if need in The tri state area as well for shows in NYC or DC if needed which he did) and he told me that the talent and TV crew during the Cena/Rock stuff were making fun of Cena saying he already has one foot out the door for Hollywood so they found his shooting on Dwayne as hypocritical and Ironic. Cena needed to turn heel yrs ago. I respect how he loves the business and all but the guy on TV is a complete 180 from what people deal with in the back. I did like Cena's rapper gimmick but Vince doesn't want to change Cena's character do to the kid support he gets. Cena in the last 3 or so yrs has added to his wrestling repertoire but he use to have what many called The 5 moves of death type in ring style the bigger wrestlers in the 90s had. I wouldn't care as much if either guys push was genuine but it never was. A lot of it has to do with how their characters are portrayed as well as the fact WWE continues after 3 yrs insisting to push Roman despite it not working and now doing underhanded Tactics to get him over. Why not pull a Rocky Maivia with him? People hated Rock but once he turned Heel and joined The Nation of Domination a star was on the rise. I don't see Roman as a Rock because he doesn't connect to the fans like Rock was or have his charisma. Roman is a great worker but I feel he also gets pushed too much do to his family relationship with Vince who is very close with Rock's overall family. Change Roman's character and give him more of an in ring arsenal and maybe we'd like him more.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
To touch on this, I am not sure anyone has ever talked up Hogan's in ring ability. How can it be overrated when it was rarely rated?
The problem nowadays is that wrestlers are on TV and wrestle nearly every week. I mean, you get to see Roman Reigns wrestle, counting PPVs, anywhere from 50-55 times a year. Contrast that to the 80's when it felt special any time you saw one of the big stars on TV. During Hulk Hogan's 4-year title reign, how many times was one of his matches televised? Maybe 10-20, at most, total!!
DJackson10
Footballguy
It's more about overall rating a wrestler I'm talking about. Look I get and appreciate what Hogan did to get popularity in wrestling to the world but if we focus on overall promo ability, in ring ability, charisma, etc I'd put Randy Savage above Hogan big time as well as others. To me Hulk was more of the guy who was the Ambassador to help get WWF/E wrestling overall over the peak. Yes the exposure today is insane what happens. Also I was speaking in terms of Roman's in ring ability is similar to Hogan. It's pretty cookie cutter not a lot of leeway to go else where. Locking two guys like that in Lesnar and Reigns in a steel cage where their ability is already limited doesn't help.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
There are too many variables, to the point where it matters what you think is most important if you decide to rank wrestlers.
Can Hogan, Austin or Rock wrestle as well as Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels or Daniel Bryan? Hell no, but I'd say those are three of the four biggest wrestlers stars ever (along with Flair). Best wrestler ever (Hart, Savage, Michaels, Bryan, etc.) is a different thing than biggest wrestling star.
Can Hogan, Austin or Rock wrestle as well as Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels or Daniel Bryan? Hell no, but I'd say those are three of the four biggest wrestlers stars ever (along with Flair). Best wrestler ever (Hart, Savage, Michaels, Bryan, etc.) is a different thing than biggest wrestling star.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Initially, NJPW was about a year behind, but not now. Zach Sabre, Jr. won their spring tournament and elected to challenge Okada for the heavyweight title. That bout took place April 1st.
IIRC, both Honor Club and NJPWWorld are price competitive with WWE Network, so if the serious fan wants to watch them, they can. In addition, RoH is owned by Sinclair so it’s a part of their programming. In Pittsburgh, they’re on 3x every weekend.
Smoo
Fear the Beaver
Thanks for the reply. It was a good read. Just to focus on this first thing you said, though... I get that, and I agree with the sentiment, but there's an inconsistency. There are several fan favorites right now who are guilty of the same repetitive style, not least of which is Strowman. His matches seem to be just an extended exercise in how to try to keep a running powerslam fresh. And yet the crowd will still chant "one more time" as if they aren't sick of it. So a limited repertoire can't be the whole thing.
Anyway, I still have no beef with Reigns, and I get that I don't have the whole context for why other people do, that's cool. I just suspect that a lot of the heat is now more on principle, and a crowd-sourced belief that he should have heat for some contrived reason. I don't think it's entirely merited and that the guy deserves some level of respect at this point for sticking through it and working hard. That's my piece.
I'm new to the thread so I'm not sure where eveybody is on other aspects of today's wrestling culture, but hopefully I'm not also out on a limb by thinking that Cory Graves is one of the best things in WWE today and ridiculous hillbilly beards are one of the worst.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I meant to ask about Honor club I already got NJPWWorld. I don't have AXS so I wasn't sure. ROH is shown in Philly 3 times a week. I think Wednesday night at 11 Sat at like 10 and Sun I think 3 or so?
DJackson10
Footballguy
Nope many people think he is along with Mauro. I just found this thread over the last few weeks and was surprised and glad. A few of us are big into the Indie scene along with New Japan and Ring of Honor.
As for Braun he has a character that people like. Roman has no character right now either. Doesn't connect well with the fans. Braun has a lot of charisma and all. The Move set hypocrites when many like Braun? You can see it that way but also look at it from the fact Braun connects to the fans well and has a good character where a guy like Roman doesn't have a character. If he's the Big Dog why hasn't he won the title yet? He can't be that and be the guy who comes up short all the time. I also hated the fact that Roman beat Taker last year. There was no need for Taker to lose last year. Then he comes out on Raw with the This is My Yard schtick symbolic with the Undertaker for yrs? That's gonna get you heat in a way you don't want to with fans. I kind of felt WWE disrespect Mark with that. I also hate oh he's the big dog but they are making him the Underdog to try and gain sympathy cheers for him since they are so desperate to get him over with the fans. They went as far as 2 weeks ago planting fake fans to cheer for Roman. It was blatant. Crowd focused well up close on the exact same people throughout his promo. Give me a character I can enjoy not this character. It's pretty sad and pathetic from our standpoint by WWE right now just to get a guy over with fans who hasn't for 3 yrs now.
WWE didn't disrespect the Undertaker having him lose to Roman. He was attempting to pass the torch to Roman. Brock beat him a few years ago, then Roman beats him. Brock is supposed to be in a league of his own, so the idea is to be that Roman is the only other guy in Brock's league, the only guy who has a legitimate chance at beating Brock for the title. Which is why the whole next year was a build up to them meeting at WM.
But it didn't work because people who don't like Roman liked him even less for beating Undertaker and the whole "this is my yard now", and so all the boost they were thinking he'd get from the win backfired, but they still went ahead with the storyline anyway. Which angered people even more.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Great match ruined with an absolutely bs ending
no dq match ending in a double countout
no dq match ending in a double countout
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Now imagine me being in DC for Capitol Combat in 1990 and seeing a cage match end in a DQ when the Four Horsemen raise the cage and attack Sting. <_<
hagmania
Footballguy
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Elias and Braun are the only reason to watch for me. For the first time IMO, even the booking for Braun has been bad. Really Really bad since Mania. Rollins has been good in ring but not someone that I'll go out of my way to watch right now because I've never watched because of in-ring ability. Why Lashley and Braun are tagging, high fiving, is beyond me. Even more bizarre was Roman/Braun who killed each other in a great program in 2017.
This Backwash PPV was a whole was the most meaningless "PPV" since the 2006 ECW December to Dismember PPV IMO. Just no storylines, no stakes or characters.Watched the Elias segment, some of the Miz/Rollins match and FF through most of the rest. Just a glorified Raw.
They've got to do something with Reigns at some point. No one gives a #### about him. People chanting boring and leaving in droves during the main event. They've got to get the belt off Brock as well.
They ####ed up big time IMO not having Braun/Lesnar at Mania. Was just so obvious.
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I agree with most of this, other than my being a lot bigger fan of Rollins, including his highly underrated promo ability. He's arguably the best face promo in the company right now in my opinion.Craig_MiamiFL said:
As for what to do with Reigns, if it were me, I would have Reigns win Money in the Bank, and have have Summerslam be main evented by Lesnar-Rollins. Have Reigns cash in during the match and pin Rollins. That would accomplish getting the belt off Lesnar, giving Reigns a much needed character change, and give them a top face that most people actually like.
JB Breakfast Club
Footballguy
Maybe Braun is nursing an injury - WWE tends to hide guys in tag matches when they are working through something. WWE also seems to think very highly of Lashley, so maybe they want to set up one of them for a turn on the other to kill some time? It certainly feels like Braun needs a turn with the title this year, and they just need to keep him warm until then.
The extra beatdown on Owens and Zayn was strange, though. Went on forever.
The extra beatdown on Owens and Zayn was strange, though. Went on forever.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Back a few years ago when Daniel Bryan was white hot we should've gotten a Bryan vs Lesnar feud. It would be the ultimate David vs Goliath storyline. I was bummed that we missed out on that when Bryan got injured.
Now that Bryan is back, I still feel like we're not going to get that feud. Bryan may get hurt again, and Lesnar is 40 and could retire or lose interest at any time. I wish they would strike while the iron is hot.
Now that Bryan is back, I still feel like we're not going to get that feud. Bryan may get hurt again, and Lesnar is 40 and could retire or lose interest at any time. I wish they would strike while the iron is hot.
