Peak
Footballguy
Instant channel changer when i see him on the screen. I won't waste any time on this guy. Plus these segments go on for ever! You're absolutely right, give the time to someone else who is more deserving.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Corey Graves is up there with Bobby Heenan, and The Body. $$$$
hagmania
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
I would take anything Ryback says with a grain of salt. He was let go because he asked to be paid the same as Cena and others who got top pay. He's gone after Youtubers and after telling one YouTuber who I watch to be a better role model he goes on his show and says he hopes the dude dies on a pit of spikes the next day. Then he told Meltzer Podcast host Bryan Alvarez his parents should've aborted him after Alvarez said Nia was a dangerous worker after Breaking Becky Lynch's face. and accusing Alvarez of never wrestling when he has training. Dude thinks he's better than everyone. He's lost many of his advisers and his podcast host have left after seeing what a bitter psychopath he is. Honestly anyone who takes him for his word is another meat head ##### themselves or very low IQ peoplehagmania said:
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DJackson10
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
So one of the biggest and probably the real reason WWE moved Adrade back to SDL is he's dating and apparently is engaged to Charlotte Flair. She was very upset with WWE splitting them apart so they moved him and Zelina back to SDL. Given Zelina Vega is Married to ALiestar Black the tag of him and Ricochet was broken up to keep the couple together as well. So you want to blame someone for the Tag Team split blame it on the Female Roman Ms Flair.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
To be fair, her and Andrade were the only real life couple split up. I'd say her beef is legit.
I guess you can't say Alexa Bliss and Buddy Murphy were split up since they weren't on the same schedule before the shakeup
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Softballguy
Footballguy
I agree. She was clearly the best worker in the main event at WM IMO.I think Charlotte is a better in-ring worker than Becky.
Also, KO is so great. It doesn't matter that everyone knew he'd turn; in fact, that's what makes the angle so enjoyable.
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Who exactly would you want? Mojo? He's a bore fest and doesn't matter his gimmick. No Way Jose AKA the Adam Rose Copycat? I really don't see many on RAW who'd I'd put over Sami. He's a great in ring worker and they need more heels. His promo's aren't scripted. He was told to turn on the fans after the match and say how he felt. Daniel's gimmick was more about the environment and fans polluting it. Zayn's is about the fans being turn coats to wrestlers where for 6 months they love character and then start ####ting on them. I'll take Zayn over Boring Corbin, Braun The ####### Strouman, Roman as a face doing the whole fight the McMahon family again, does anyone want to see Jinder Mahal on TV? Maybe you can say Breeze but I don't think they want to break up Fashion Police. There's a lot of dead weight on the main roster WWE just needs to get rid of.
DJackson10
Footballguy
You could say Bliss and Murphy. I know different shows but Buddy just got moved to SDL while Bliss is still on RAW. I think Buddy and Alexa have a good beef to for them to stay together.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Charlotte is a robot on the mic though. Her promos are gawd awful
"I am Charlotte Flair the Queen"
Bow down to Me
I'm the Best
Peak
Footballguy
How'd that work out for Ziggler? Same script he followed and then disappeared again until McIntyre was called up.
I'd take anyone over Zayn. Give the spot to some NXT call up. Get more Open Challenges on board. I'd rather see a squash match than listen to this buffoon droll on about how he hates <insert city here> fans and how they are the problem. It's an old, tiresome schtick.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Ziggler left as he took another break from WWE. I'd rather they take the big idiot off TV Braun and The wannabe Applebees manager.Peak said:
I'd rather they keep all NXt talent right now on NXT before Creative and Vince can destroy more talent. WWE needs better creative and Vice can't be a micromanager. It's why many are hoping when Vince leaves for the XFL he spends most of his time with that. He already ruined ricochet entrance with no more laser beams and Blacks with the creaky noise. He's already destroyed War Raiders. He did't destroy Lacey because she's a blonde with #### and she's a real right wing military brat which gets her double points in Vinces eyes. Did you know WWE is looking for someone to look over creative and keep in touch of what WWE has done storyline wise and not done so they don't repeat storylines again?
You know what gimmick's been played out far too much? The American patriot and the insert X country heel ####ting on WWE American fans and Roman vs the McMahons. How many times do we need to see Roman vs the McMahons for Vince to get a clue it's not working. Here's something turn the guy heal. Have him sell out on the fans and Vince endorses him as his hand picked replacement for Cena (calling Cena washed up and all). This can lead to Cena coming back for a match and putting Roman over. Bring in the USOS as his reinforcements.
Jayrok
Footballguy
They can take Zayn, Mojo, Ryder, Hawkins, Danfango, the Colon brothers and a few others and let No Way Jose lead them right off into oblivion and off our TV.DJackson10 said:
I've warmed up to Richocet and Black but they should keep them separate as singles. Give people like Rezar, Akam and Otis more air time. Give EC3 a chance outside of just squash matches against Strowman. Andrade can't speak but is a very good in-ring talent.
More Samoa Joe, Shinsuke and Kevin Owens and less Jinder, Corbin and Lashley. Get Bray Wyatt back in the ring.
They have a good thing in Kofi as a single. Kofi, AJ, Rollins, KO, Bryan, McIntyre and Balor are the best talent they have going. I like that they're giving Roode another angle, although like someone previously said, I wouldn't mind them just bringing back Beer Money.
Not sure what they're doing with Nakamura and Asuka. They've been buried for whatever reason. Both very talented. Kairi Sane looks promising. I'm not even sure what NIkki Cross is and why she is in WWE.
Peak
Footballguy
Completely agree! Too much other talent on the roster being wasted. Corbin and Lasley are stale. They don't have any good storylines for Braun since they turned the "unbeatable monster" into a comedy routine. Need a quick segway to a new storyline? Call in Braun and let him smash something on camera. It's a joke.
I don't see Vince leaving soon. The rumors were swirling, but I think he keeps his hand in the cookie jar for a lot longer. He made his business being a control freak, and I don't see that changing.
Reigns and Shane taking over the Austin/Vince feud storyline is boring. Push someone other than Reigns. I'm ready to see Balor step up, or Adande or Black. I'd like to see them put The Club back together with Balor going heel. Just do something! I thought Sanity was going to be a good faction, and now they've split them up. It's just stale right now, even after the "shakeup". I don't care how many times you move the pieces, if the storylines are just rehashed from the past, it's still repetitive.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Vince made a comment that WWE ratings are down do to talent missing time. This has not sat well with talent. Talking to my guy who was talking to others this is what was said. Some are threatening to either ask for a release or sit out the remainder of their deals. It's about time the talent grew a set
"im hearing WWE talent have requested a meeting with the man himself Monday. They have grown upset and disappointed with his comments about talent missing shows affects his product, with many of them telling my source they could sit out their contract"
"im hearing WWE talent have requested a meeting with the man himself Monday. They have grown upset and disappointed with his comments about talent missing shows affects his product, with many of them telling my source they could sit out their contract"
A bit of a ramble here....
Been a huge jerico fan since his heel turn in WCW....inside and outside of the ring, just seems like a genuine dood and very intelligent. I love that his involvement in AEW has to be swaying a lot of these moves.
I don't doubt for a minute that Vince equates stock success with general success...when he went public, he took on a whole new set of challenges.
WWE going public is such a monumental milestone in the business that it's impact is probably understated. WWE stock has been nothing short of phenomenal....but that has so much more to do than the current product in the ring. Once the stock performance stagnates, or when AEW debuts it will be interesting what types of questions analysts give at quarterly meetings with respect to growth, competition and whatnot.
I read through the 2019 Q1 transcripts and there's zero reference to competition at all...very focused on the move to Fox, the Saudi event and other general financials. There was one very pointed question re: talent and WWE's view on strategy with talent:
Laura Martin
So then my other question is for Vince about talent development. So I mean, one of the potential interpretations of the rating softness could be maybe some of our talent is aging or audiences are getting tired of it and I'm interested, since you've been doing this a long time, Vince, what are the metrics you look at to determine when you need to bring in a new winner, a new superstar to reinvigorate the start of the story lines, and do you feel that a lot of these international people, my recollection is it takes like 5 years to bring in somebody from the beginning to where they can really be at the top of the ledger, of the main roster. But can you remind us also how long it takes to build one of these John Cena, Roman Reigns, kinds of characters?
Vincent McMahon
I'll let Paul Levesque handle some of that color please.
Paul Levesque
Sure. So, it's interesting and obviously, there is no exact timing on what it takes and first of all, we don't bring in superstars, we create them. So there is no timing on how long that takes, some it's immediate, some it takes longer. We're constantly bringing in talent. So it's not a matter of how many leave now as we -- Vince mentioned earlier, when we have absences, new talent step in, an example of that would be Kofi Kingston stepping into a role and becoming WWE Champion. As those things happen, those performers rise to another level, when the other performers come back from that absence, they -- now, it's a higher tide.
In 2018, we brought up over 15 talent, a lot of them have succeeded. We've already brought up 10 in 2019 through the system, through the talent development system. So it's working very effectively and when you look at the roster of superstars, 80% of the main roster of Raw and SmackDown right now have come through that system, have come through our talent development system. So the main event players that you see came through that. So it works very well. It's very successful, and as was mentioned earlier too, there is a 35 year track record of generation after generation of creating new superstars that are icons in last generation and we have a very good track record of doing that. So we are very confident in that.
To look at all of the past transcripts: https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/WWE/earnings/transcripts
Been a huge jerico fan since his heel turn in WCW....inside and outside of the ring, just seems like a genuine dood and very intelligent. I love that his involvement in AEW has to be swaying a lot of these moves.
I don't doubt for a minute that Vince equates stock success with general success...when he went public, he took on a whole new set of challenges.
WWE going public is such a monumental milestone in the business that it's impact is probably understated. WWE stock has been nothing short of phenomenal....but that has so much more to do than the current product in the ring. Once the stock performance stagnates, or when AEW debuts it will be interesting what types of questions analysts give at quarterly meetings with respect to growth, competition and whatnot.
I read through the 2019 Q1 transcripts and there's zero reference to competition at all...very focused on the move to Fox, the Saudi event and other general financials. There was one very pointed question re: talent and WWE's view on strategy with talent:
Laura Martin
So then my other question is for Vince about talent development. So I mean, one of the potential interpretations of the rating softness could be maybe some of our talent is aging or audiences are getting tired of it and I'm interested, since you've been doing this a long time, Vince, what are the metrics you look at to determine when you need to bring in a new winner, a new superstar to reinvigorate the start of the story lines, and do you feel that a lot of these international people, my recollection is it takes like 5 years to bring in somebody from the beginning to where they can really be at the top of the ledger, of the main roster. But can you remind us also how long it takes to build one of these John Cena, Roman Reigns, kinds of characters?
Vincent McMahon
I'll let Paul Levesque handle some of that color please.
Paul Levesque
Sure. So, it's interesting and obviously, there is no exact timing on what it takes and first of all, we don't bring in superstars, we create them. So there is no timing on how long that takes, some it's immediate, some it takes longer. We're constantly bringing in talent. So it's not a matter of how many leave now as we -- Vince mentioned earlier, when we have absences, new talent step in, an example of that would be Kofi Kingston stepping into a role and becoming WWE Champion. As those things happen, those performers rise to another level, when the other performers come back from that absence, they -- now, it's a higher tide.
In 2018, we brought up over 15 talent, a lot of them have succeeded. We've already brought up 10 in 2019 through the system, through the talent development system. So it's working very effectively and when you look at the roster of superstars, 80% of the main roster of Raw and SmackDown right now have come through that system, have come through our talent development system. So the main event players that you see came through that. So it works very well. It's very successful, and as was mentioned earlier too, there is a 35 year track record of generation after generation of creating new superstars that are icons in last generation and we have a very good track record of doing that. So we are very confident in that.
To look at all of the past transcripts: https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/WWE/earnings/transcripts
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Found this re: AEW as well
The heart of the matter
Chris Van Vliet probed Tony Khan regarding the ongoing comparisons that most in the professional wrestling community are making, between AEW and the way WCW was back in its prime.
Khan alluded that he doesn't want to compare AEW to any other promotions, and instead, intends to have AEW carve its own niche in the wrestling world.
Furthermore, Khan explained that the 5-year plan for the company is to make AEW a recognized brand. He added that in AEW, wins and losses will hold a ton of significance, and will matter in the wrestlers' standing in the company as well as in their pursuit of championships.
Moreover, Khan insinuated that the AEW performers won't necessarily be on the road 5-6 days every week, and will work a lighter schedule, helping them keep a healthy balance between work and life. Khan also spoke about potential TV deals for AEW, stating --
"It's not just about getting a TV deal put together. I think offering the kind of PPV shows that we're offering with Double or Nothing, offering affordable tickets for the fans and making wrestling a family experience."
"If and when we do enter the television space, I expect it will be the best wrestling television show that you'll see." (*H/T Sportskeeda for the transcription)
What's next?
AEW's first event "Double or Nothing" is all set to take place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada on May 25th, 2019.
The heart of the matter
Chris Van Vliet probed Tony Khan regarding the ongoing comparisons that most in the professional wrestling community are making, between AEW and the way WCW was back in its prime.
Khan alluded that he doesn't want to compare AEW to any other promotions, and instead, intends to have AEW carve its own niche in the wrestling world.
Furthermore, Khan explained that the 5-year plan for the company is to make AEW a recognized brand. He added that in AEW, wins and losses will hold a ton of significance, and will matter in the wrestlers' standing in the company as well as in their pursuit of championships.
Moreover, Khan insinuated that the AEW performers won't necessarily be on the road 5-6 days every week, and will work a lighter schedule, helping them keep a healthy balance between work and life. Khan also spoke about potential TV deals for AEW, stating --
"It's not just about getting a TV deal put together. I think offering the kind of PPV shows that we're offering with Double or Nothing, offering affordable tickets for the fans and making wrestling a family experience."
"If and when we do enter the television space, I expect it will be the best wrestling television show that you'll see." (*H/T Sportskeeda for the transcription)
What's next?
AEW's first event "Double or Nothing" is all set to take place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada on May 25th, 2019.
I've always thought this was a huge opportunity for WWE. People love rankings and wins/losses. It's logical, it makes sense...you can enhance the experience with this and still meet all of your agendas.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Also, wins and losses make for great storyline fodder. Keep stats like any other sport does. "MJF's average match lasts 12 minutes; can he keep that average against Pac?" It would be better than the 0-269 crap on whomever it was WWE had.
Everything you could ever want to know is right here.
https://www.wrestlingdata.com/
A totally amazing site.
Example
Abdullah the Butcher
https://www.wrestlingdata.com/index.php?befehl=bios&wrestler=30&bild=1&details=10
https://www.wrestlingdata.com/
A totally amazing site.
Example
Abdullah the Butcher
https://www.wrestlingdata.com/index.php?befehl=bios&wrestler=30&bild=1&details=10
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hagmania
Footballguy
What I'm hoping for the most is an abandonment of strict motivational dichotomy. People can still work heel and face, but plenty of people cheer for Duke, the Yankees and the Patriots. Encourage fans to do the same.Also, wins and losses make for great storyline fodder. Keep stats like any other sport does. "MJF's average match lasts 12 minutes; can he keep that average against Pac?" It would be better than the 0-269 crap on whomever it was WWE had.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
It happens in the E, but Vince doesn’t like it. That’s an idea I can get behind, mostly because I love heels.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
NXT referee breaks leg during match - but finishes the job.
I saw the pictures of his broken stick.
There are no pictures of that in the article.
I saw the pictures of his broken stick.
There are no pictures of that in the article.
Peak
Footballguy
Here's an article with a pic of what appears to be a leg hanging at a wrong angle.NXT referee breaks leg during match - but finishes the job.
I saw the pictures of his broken stick.
And video, if that's your thing...wait til the end of the clip.
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Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
That was a Joe Theisman/Robin Ventura type break. :X
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
It's a huge problem for WWE. Vince also hates Tournaments or you'd see King Of The Ring PPV again. It's why the only Tourneys are on the Network mostly worked by Hunter. W/L record is why I love NJPW because they don't take it lightly and the tournaments they do based on standings and blocks is incredible entertaining.
DJackson10
Footballguy
He's a badass that ref. He's one of the more popular refs down in Orlando too. The talent loves him,NXT referee breaks leg during match - but finishes the job.
I saw the pictures of his broken stick.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Back in the Attitude Era we did this. My friends and I would cheer heels especially wrestles we loved. Undertaker Ministry, Kane as Heel, HBK, Austin/Rock etc. I still did it when I got back into WWE cheering for Orton, Jericho, Punk etc. The Fans Cheering Becky when they tried to make her heel was no different and reminded me when the fans use to cheer for Austin as a heel. Didn't matter heel or face many people were gonna cheer for him but Vince doesn't like that anymore. Also we need to bring kayfabe back. Can we not have a photo leaked of Becky and Ronda and Charlotte Pic taken just hours together backstage before Mania? Or video of Bryan and Kofi hanging out when in the middle of a feud?
DJackson10
Footballguy
Yep Vince was apparently fuming when the fans cheered Becky big time and cheered Charlotte who's suppose to be a heel when she took liberties with the Kendo Stick to Ronda. He also hated the "10 Chants" so he kept TY off TV to kill them off. He was also hated Punk getting so big because he didn't want him as his face of the Company. There's also a lot of pettiness with Vince as well. He apparently took Undertaker off Mania because he was doing the Starrcade thing and now that Taker is back with WWE his contract says he can't take outside promo bookings now. Conrad tried to make it work with WWE by letting all the proceeds from said Wrestler to replace Taker going to Connor's Cure. Conrad Asked for HBK and others who weren't wrestling and Vince was just super uncooperative. The event is in no partnership with AEW but AEW stars would be at this event. Vince also won't allow anymore WWE talent on Jericho's podcast.
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Ivelease was one of the people at a recent WWE tryout. WWE really needs to resign her to shore up the NXT WOmens division IMHO.
Ivelieze and another Anoa'i among recent WWE tryout participants
Ivelieze and another Anoa'i among recent WWE tryout participants
Really looking forward to the up coming Von Erich clan story.
When Fritz was a big star I had no idea he was an x SMU football player from Texas. So many years later seeing him on a World Class telecast with that Texas drawl....what???
Will we see the Chris Benoit tragedy on the Dark Side?
Kevin Sulivan?
When Fritz was a big star I had no idea he was an x SMU football player from Texas. So many years later seeing him on a World Class telecast with that Texas drawl....what???
Will we see the Chris Benoit tragedy on the Dark Side?
Kevin Sulivan?
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Horrorshow
Footballguy
When I heard about this my initial reaction was, must be Drake Younger (Wuertz), based purely on some of the INSANE matches we've seen him have in Big Japan, Combat Zone etc.NXT referee breaks leg during match - but finishes the job.
I saw the pictures of his broken stick.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Add Luke Harper to those who won't be showing up for work with WWE anytime soon. He was denied his release. Dustin Runnels AKA Golddust was granted his release in Jan had a 90 day no compete clause. He was going to be denied his release but Hunter talked Vince into letting Dustin go in good faith do to his Family and everything. No one is speaking up for Hoper's release. It sounds like a lot of talent is unhappy. I'm asking around to see if theres any big names who could say enough is enough and try to leave. Seeing what my guys opinions are if that happens Vince wakes up and realizes theres a problem. Sounds like a ton of talent is not happy on the main roster. Some would like to return to NXT or go to NXTUK if it makes sense as Alexander Wolfe has done a formed an alliance with Walter and Aichner and Barthel. Balor to UK would also make sense for a bit and maybe feud with Jordan Devlin. Breeze has worked a few NXT shows with Fandango out. I think sending a few Veterans from the main roster not used would work as well to these brands to help the younger talent if they would like.
Theres also backstage rumors of heat on Lio Rush but no one knows for what. Rush has denied it. Rush was in trouble right after signing with the company after making some Remarks bout Dashwood AKA Emma after being released that didn't go over well with WWE creative, Hunter or talent. It's been said Lio is a tad immature still and doesn't always understand proper etiquette backstage I'm trying to figure out if he has heat or not and what it was from people. Based on his tweets sounds like Rush may be fighting for some character issues with his on air personality may have gotten him heat but that's speculation on my part.
Theres also backstage rumors of heat on Lio Rush but no one knows for what. Rush has denied it. Rush was in trouble right after signing with the company after making some Remarks bout Dashwood AKA Emma after being released that didn't go over well with WWE creative, Hunter or talent. It's been said Lio is a tad immature still and doesn't always understand proper etiquette backstage I'm trying to figure out if he has heat or not and what it was from people. Based on his tweets sounds like Rush may be fighting for some character issues with his on air personality may have gotten him heat but that's speculation on my part.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
Reports are that Lio and his wife are like wrestling's version of Doug & Jackie Christie with Lio's wife following him everywhere -- everywhere -- and that includes backstage. That apparently hasn't sat well with some of the boys who view backstage as a business area.
I'm not sure if there's any truth to these rumors, but that's what's being reported.
https://www.prowrestling.com/backstage-news-on-lio-rushs-reported-heat-incident-with-finn-balor/
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