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[soothsayer]

Wondering if any wrestling fans from the Twin Cities went to "F1rst Wrestling Nitro" at the MOA this past weekend? I was out or town or would have been there. Would love to hear a review of the show. Orange Cassidy, Darius Martin, Ariya Davari, RVD and Colt Cabana were all there I believe. Anyone?

 

[Tom Servo]

Also the ending of Clash of the Castle has some fans pissed off enough they were chanting AEW. Which is why I believe WWE had Fury come to the ring and have a moment with Drew.

I like Reigns, I really do. Right now though people are burning out on him like they did with Hogan back in the day. The fact that he has both belts makes it even worse.

Yet, everyone reacts at a different level for every Reigns appearance...phones out, fingers up, soaking it in. There's no burnout until someone gets to his level. I also like the single world champion. Escalate IC and US and make the Universal Champion truly special.

Not sure why you are so defensive over this. It's true Not sure if you were around during Hogan or watched but after awhile it got to the point where Hogan was just built up too big where it was impossible to take the belt off of him. It's a booking decision you don't want to get into problem wise. It's obvious at this point that WWE is blatantly desperate trying to figure out ways to keep the title on Roman.

Either way they missed a great chance to build Drew back up and Drew was definitely one of the few guys to take it. Also the Universal title isn't anything special the Old Gold WWE belt is more special then that ugly thing.

The reason why HH’s reign got tiresome was the fact that he’s the best at playing politics and leveraged that power into making sure he looked good and/or all the attention was on him.
Two examples -
1) WM 4 and Savage has won his first world title and there’s Hogan the party crasher in the ring with him and Liz.

2) WM 6 where he came off the pin at 3.000001 and then “agonized” about giving UW his moment.

Hogan did a lot for wrestling, but let’s not pretend his head isn’t big enough to fit in a lot of arenas.

Hogan has a massive ego, yes, and he loved being the center of attention (who wouldn't when being as over with the fans as he was), but both those examples you gave are not good ones, IMO.

First, WM4, Hogan was not party crashing, Remember that DiBiase had a) cost Hogan the title with the twin referee, and b) interfered in the Hogan/Andre match earlier that night causing both to be eliminated, so Hogan was no longer the champ and didn't win the tournament to win it back because of DiBiase. Fast forward to the main event where the finals is DiBiase vs Savage, the latter of whom was now Hogan's buddy. Hogan then interfered and cost DiBiase the match, a bit of sweet justice, helping Savage win the match, so it only made sense for him to be in the ring celebrating with Savage as Dibiase fumed in defeat with Andre outside the ring. Hogan running off to the locker room while Savage celebrated wouldn't have been a good look, not to mention that Andre and DiBiase probably attack Savage instead of letting him celebrate if Hogan is not there.

Second, Hogan kicking out right after the pin at WM6 was brilliant. Remember that Hogan hadn't lost a clean pinfall since winning his first title in January 1984, so finally losing one was significant. Plus, Warrior/Hogan was promoted as being an epic battle of two giants, so it made sense that the winner won by a nose. The Warrior kicking out right after the 3 count had Hogan been booked to win would have made sense as well. Sidebar: I always thought it was funny that Sgt Slaughter clearly kicks out of the pinfall in a big way at WM7 before the 3 count, yet the ref counts it down anyway. Back to WM6, Hogan handing the belt to Warrior as kind of a "passing the torch" gesture was a great moment. Regardless of what Terry Bollea's motives were, it fit the Hulk Hogan character to a 't.'

I know the usual Hogan critics will get on their "OMG, Hogan sucks, blah, blah, blah" high horse, but a reality check was in order.

Im guessing this was more so for Tom then myself. My only gripe with Hogan back then other then the politicking was the fact he got over on a cheap Pop American patriotism Propaganda gimmick that was selling at the time. Like I've said before props to Vince, Hogan and the rest of WWF at the time pulling that off and making it work. Promo character wise Hogan was great. I was a Hogan fan first but eventually was team Macho man especially once he went to WCW and then joined Sting an NWO Wolfpac. In ring wise I never thought Hogan was that good. Went back and have seen his Japan stuff. I think he was better in ring in Japan but I don't think he's as close to as good In Japan as some made him out to be.

Hogan could grapple on the mat if he wanted to (a guy his size could make those 5-minute headlocks on the mat quite uncomfortable), but no one would ever confuse him with Bret Hart or Daniel Bryan. He had such great promo skills and charisma that he didn't need to be awesome in the ring. He was good enough, and very few could work a crowd as well as him (Rock, Stone Cold). And despite some stupidly thinking he always no-sold opponents, he almost always made his opponents look great before the inevitable comeback.

My only beef with Hogan back in the day was his tendency over time to drop the leg and just nonchalantly cover the guy for the 3. At least hook a leg!

VKM narrowed Hogan’s moveset; from what I’ve heard, he had quite a surprisingly good set. My point of contention has always been that IMO he was LOL Cena wins before Cena. As a new fan at the time, I never seriously saw him as a face in peril.

 

[Tom Servo]

I’m listening to sports radio and Ric Flair is pushing ED meds…because of course he is. It’s called Mount Everest.

 

[DJackson10]

Also the ending of Clash of the Castle has some fans pissed off enough they were chanting AEW. Which is why I believe WWE had Fury come to the ring and have a moment with Drew.

I like Reigns, I really do. Right now though people are burning out on him like they did with Hogan back in the day. The fact that he has both belts makes it even worse.

Yet, everyone reacts at a different level for every Reigns appearance...phones out, fingers up, soaking it in. There's no burnout until someone gets to his level. I also like the single world champion. Escalate IC and US and make the Universal Champion truly special.

Not sure why you are so defensive over this. It's true Not sure if you were around during Hogan or watched but after awhile it got to the point where Hogan was just built up too big where it was impossible to take the belt off of him. It's a booking decision you don't want to get into problem wise. It's obvious at this point that WWE is blatantly desperate trying to figure out ways to keep the title on Roman.

Either way they missed a great chance to build Drew back up and Drew was definitely one of the few guys to take it. Also the Universal title isn't anything special the Old Gold WWE belt is more special then that ugly thing.

The reason why HH’s reign got tiresome was the fact that he’s the best at playing politics and leveraged that power into making sure he looked good and/or all the attention was on him.
Two examples -
1) WM 4 and Savage has won his first world title and there’s Hogan the party crasher in the ring with him and Liz.

2) WM 6 where he came off the pin at 3.000001 and then “agonized” about giving UW his moment.

Hogan did a lot for wrestling, but let’s not pretend his head isn’t big enough to fit in a lot of arenas.

Hogan has a massive ego, yes, and he loved being the center of attention (who wouldn't when being as over with the fans as he was), but both those examples you gave are not good ones, IMO.

First, WM4, Hogan was not party crashing, Remember that DiBiase had a) cost Hogan the title with the twin referee, and b) interfered in the Hogan/Andre match earlier that night causing both to be eliminated, so Hogan was no longer the champ and didn't win the tournament to win it back because of DiBiase. Fast forward to the main event where the finals is DiBiase vs Savage, the latter of whom was now Hogan's buddy. Hogan then interfered and cost DiBiase the match, a bit of sweet justice, helping Savage win the match, so it only made sense for him to be in the ring celebrating with Savage as Dibiase fumed in defeat with Andre outside the ring. Hogan running off to the locker room while Savage celebrated wouldn't have been a good look, not to mention that Andre and DiBiase probably attack Savage instead of letting him celebrate if Hogan is not there.

Second, Hogan kicking out right after the pin at WM6 was brilliant. Remember that Hogan hadn't lost a clean pinfall since winning his first title in January 1984, so finally losing one was significant. Plus, Warrior/Hogan was promoted as being an epic battle of two giants, so it made sense that the winner won by a nose. The Warrior kicking out right after the 3 count had Hogan been booked to win would have made sense as well. Sidebar: I always thought it was funny that Sgt Slaughter clearly kicks out of the pinfall in a big way at WM7 before the 3 count, yet the ref counts it down anyway. Back to WM6, Hogan handing the belt to Warrior as kind of a "passing the torch" gesture was a great moment. Regardless of what Terry Bollea's motives were, it fit the Hulk Hogan character to a 't.'

I know the usual Hogan critics will get on their "OMG, Hogan sucks, blah, blah, blah" high horse, but a reality check was in order.

Im guessing this was more so for Tom then myself. My only gripe with Hogan back then other then the politicking was the fact he got over on a cheap Pop American patriotism Propaganda gimmick that was selling at the time. Like I've said before props to Vince, Hogan and the rest of WWF at the time pulling that off and making it work. Promo character wise Hogan was great. I was a Hogan fan first but eventually was team Macho man especially once he went to WCW and then joined Sting an NWO Wolfpac. In ring wise I never thought Hogan was that good. Went back and have seen his Japan stuff. I think he was better in ring in Japan but I don't think he's as close to as good In Japan as some made him out to be.

Hogan could grapple on the mat if he wanted to (a guy his size could make those 5-minute headlocks on the mat quite uncomfortable), but no one would ever confuse him with Bret Hart or Daniel Bryan. He had such great promo skills and charisma that he didn't need to be awesome in the ring. He was good enough, and very few could work a crowd as well as him (Rock, Stone Cold). And despite some stupidly thinking he always no-sold opponents, he almost always made his opponents look great before the inevitable comeback.

My only beef with Hogan back in the day was his tendency over time to drop the leg and just nonchalantly cover the guy for the 3. At least hook a leg!

VKM narrowed Hogan’s moveset; from what I’ve heard, he had quite a surprisingly good set. My point of contention has always been that IMO he was LOL Cena wins before Cena. As a new fan at the time, I never seriously saw him as a face in peril.

That could be true. I tell people all the time who say Balor, Cole, Neville etc etc are boring. Most of the Indy guys and NJPW guys Vince narrowed their move sets down. The conspiracy has always been that it was because Vince had a vision of who he wanted pushed and didn't want the fans involved in who was pushed. Sometimes he listen to the fans but the last 15 yrs or so he's the this is my idea and we're sticking to it. Also he knew his guys weren't as good in the ring and technically as some of the guys iN NXT and coming from the Indies and didn't want them overshadowing his guys.

I'm hoping with Hunter in charge he gives more leeway on guys being allowed to keep moves and all. I think it could add a new layer to WWE

 

[DJackson10]

NXT 2.O is no more. After the 1 year anniversary a video promo with HBK talking about the brand came up. At the end the logo currently changed to a blackwhite outline and Gold with NXT similar to the black and gold brand logo.

Awhile back I heard rumors and then there was reports on dirt sheets about Hunter changing NXT up to more of the black and gold brand before Vince got his sloppy hands on the product. I heard don't expect major changes right away but NXT brand overall would be changing back into Hunter's view. This all started with the rebranding of NXTUK to NXTEurope which Hunter has planned for a long time. Pandemic caused some set backs on this. Expect more NXT changes in the coming weeks and months.

I've watched a few episodes given Hunter is back doing it. It hasn't been great but not too bad. However the black and gold brand before going to TV felt it needed a shake up however not the one Vince gave.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Also the ending of Clash of the Castle has some fans pissed off enough they were chanting AEW. Which is why I believe WWE had Fury come to the ring and have a moment with Drew.

I like Reigns, I really do. Right now though people are burning out on him like they did with Hogan back in the day. The fact that he has both belts makes it even worse.

Yet, everyone reacts at a different level for every Reigns appearance...phones out, fingers up, soaking it in. There's no burnout until someone gets to his level. I also like the single world champion. Escalate IC and US and make the Universal Champion truly special.

Not sure why you are so defensive over this. It's true Not sure if you were around during Hogan or watched but after awhile it got to the point where Hogan was just built up too big where it was impossible to take the belt off of him. It's a booking decision you don't want to get into problem wise. It's obvious at this point that WWE is blatantly desperate trying to figure out ways to keep the title on Roman.

Either way they missed a great chance to build Drew back up and Drew was definitely one of the few guys to take it. Also the Universal title isn't anything special the Old Gold WWE belt is more special then that ugly thing.

The reason why HH’s reign got tiresome was the fact that he’s the best at playing politics and leveraged that power into making sure he looked good and/or all the attention was on him.
Two examples -
1) WM 4 and Savage has won his first world title and there’s Hogan the party crasher in the ring with him and Liz.

2) WM 6 where he came off the pin at 3.000001 and then “agonized” about giving UW his moment.

Hogan did a lot for wrestling, but let’s not pretend his head isn’t big enough to fit in a lot of arenas.

Hogan has a massive ego, yes, and he loved being the center of attention (who wouldn't when being as over with the fans as he was), but both those examples you gave are not good ones, IMO.

First, WM4, Hogan was not party crashing, Remember that DiBiase had a) cost Hogan the title with the twin referee, and b) interfered in the Hogan/Andre match earlier that night causing both to be eliminated, so Hogan was no longer the champ and didn't win the tournament to win it back because of DiBiase. Fast forward to the main event where the finals is DiBiase vs Savage, the latter of whom was now Hogan's buddy. Hogan then interfered and cost DiBiase the match, a bit of sweet justice, helping Savage win the match, so it only made sense for him to be in the ring celebrating with Savage as Dibiase fumed in defeat with Andre outside the ring. Hogan running off to the locker room while Savage celebrated wouldn't have been a good look, not to mention that Andre and DiBiase probably attack Savage instead of letting him celebrate if Hogan is not there.

Second, Hogan kicking out right after the pin at WM6 was brilliant. Remember that Hogan hadn't lost a clean pinfall since winning his first title in January 1984, so finally losing one was significant. Plus, Warrior/Hogan was promoted as being an epic battle of two giants, so it made sense that the winner won by a nose. The Warrior kicking out right after the 3 count had Hogan been booked to win would have made sense as well. Sidebar: I always thought it was funny that Sgt Slaughter clearly kicks out of the pinfall in a big way at WM7 before the 3 count, yet the ref counts it down anyway. Back to WM6, Hogan handing the belt to Warrior as kind of a "passing the torch" gesture was a great moment. Regardless of what Terry Bollea's motives were, it fit the Hulk Hogan character to a 't.'

I know the usual Hogan critics will get on their "OMG, Hogan sucks, blah, blah, blah" high horse, but a reality check was in order.

Im guessing this was more so for Tom then myself. My only gripe with Hogan back then other then the politicking was the fact he got over on a cheap Pop American patriotism Propaganda gimmick that was selling at the time. Like I've said before props to Vince, Hogan and the rest of WWF at the time pulling that off and making it work. Promo character wise Hogan was great. I was a Hogan fan first but eventually was team Macho man especially once he went to WCW and then joined Sting an NWO Wolfpac. In ring wise I never thought Hogan was that good. Went back and have seen his Japan stuff. I think he was better in ring in Japan but I don't think he's as close to as good In Japan as some made him out to be.

Hogan could grapple on the mat if he wanted to (a guy his size could make those 5-minute headlocks on the mat quite uncomfortable), but no one would ever confuse him with Bret Hart or Daniel Bryan. He had such great promo skills and charisma that he didn't need to be awesome in the ring. He was good enough, and very few could work a crowd as well as him (Rock, Stone Cold). And despite some stupidly thinking he always no-sold opponents, he almost always made his opponents look great before the inevitable comeback.

My only beef with Hogan back in the day was his tendency over time to drop the leg and just nonchalantly cover the guy for the 3. At least hook a leg!

VKM narrowed Hogan’s moveset; from what I’ve heard, he had quite a surprisingly good set. My point of contention has always been that IMO he was LOL Cena wins before Cena. As a new fan at the time, I never seriously saw him as a face in peril.

I get that, You always got the sense that Hogan was going to find a way to win or at least not the belt. I think that is what made the WM6 finish so WOW in the moment. I remember my Dad and I looking at each other like, "Holy smokes, Hogan actually lost by clean pinfall." You have remember too that back then, the top faces rarely got pinned clean on TV or PPV, so it's not like nowadays where everyone loses sometimes. Someone can refresh my memory if it was different, but Sting losing the belt to Vader cleanly in 1992 was seemingly the first time he got pinned clean in a televised match post the Clash in '88 when he and Flair had that 45-minute draw (that put Sting over as a top face). I don't think The Ultimate Warrior was ever pinned clean, unless his early house loss to Andre before he was a big star was clean. The only times I remember the Warrior getting pinned were by Rude at WM5 (not clean), Sgt Slaughter at the '91 Rumble (not clean) and Hogan at Halloween Havoc (not clean).

 

[Bogart]

Your memory is correct @Ghost Rider . In the times before 50/50 booking and plenty of enhancement talent, faces never lost of TV cleanly. Top face beats heel jobber, top heel beats face jobber, top heel gets over on top face by cheating, top face cleanly pins top heel normally causing the heel to "leave town" back in my day. This wasn't always the case at House Shows. I remember being a kid and being confused with a Freebird would be a VonErich cleanly at whatever high school gym they were at. The losing VonErich would get the heat back with a microphone and a post-match beatdown.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Your memory is correct @Ghost Rider . In the times before 50/50 booking and plenty of enhancement talent, faces never lost of TV cleanly. Top face beats heel jobber, top heel beats face jobber, top heel gets over on top face by cheating, top face cleanly pins top heel normally causing the heel to "leave town" back in my day. This wasn't always the case at House Shows. I remember being a kid and being confused with a Freebird would be a VonErich cleanly at whatever high school gym they were at. The losing VonErich would get the heat back with a microphone and a post-match beatdown.

I always liked when a top heel would be a top face clean. It didn't happen that often, so it felt special when it did. Doom beating the Steiners for the tag team straps in '90 was one of those moments. Clean win, even though Jim Ross tried to sell it as an illegal double team (when the whole last two minutes of the match was all four guys brawling).

 

[Bogart]

Your memory is correct @Ghost Rider . In the times before 50/50 booking and plenty of enhancement talent, faces never lost of TV cleanly. Top face beats heel jobber, top heel beats face jobber, top heel gets over on top face by cheating, top face cleanly pins top heel normally causing the heel to "leave town" back in my day. This wasn't always the case at House Shows. I remember being a kid and being confused with a Freebird would be a VonErich cleanly at whatever high school gym they were at. The losing VonErich would get the heat back with a microphone and a post-match beatdown.

I always liked when a top heel would be a top face clean. It didn't happen that often, so it felt special when it did. Doom beating the Steiners for the tag team straps in '90 was one of those moments. Clean win, even though Jim Ross tried to sell it as an illegal double team (when the whole last two minutes of the match was all four guys brawling).

As I think about this too much and too long, I do feel like Top Heel Tag Teams would get over cleanly more often than Top Heel single stars. On a card where you knew your Top Face goes over a Top Heel, you would often balance it out with the Top Heel Tag Team going over. The Russians (Ivan and Nikita Koloff) were a great example. They dominated every team, jobber or top, heel or face, for what seemed like forever (probably six months). Which made the win by the Rock and Roll Express all the more special (which I found out about by magazine cover).

Demolition, early Road Warriors, Chris Adams and Gino Hernandez, Midnight Express (yes, the tennis racket would get wins, but they would get over cleanly as well) are first teams that come to mind that balanced out the wins and loses on a card. Most had smaller, faster Face teams chasing them which made those wins finally seem like more.

 

[DJackson10]

NXT:Takeover specials are apparently returning

 

[DJackson10]

Wrestling Observer: Paul Levesque has several more surprises. No word on if it's LPE, Talent etc.

With Solo winning the NXT NA Belt speculation Carmelo Hayes will be debuting on the main roster soon

 

[Ghost Rider]

Your memory is correct @Ghost Rider . In the times before 50/50 booking and plenty of enhancement talent, faces never lost of TV cleanly. Top face beats heel jobber, top heel beats face jobber, top heel gets over on top face by cheating, top face cleanly pins top heel normally causing the heel to "leave town" back in my day. This wasn't always the case at House Shows. I remember being a kid and being confused with a Freebird would be a VonErich cleanly at whatever high school gym they were at. The losing VonErich would get the heat back with a microphone and a post-match beatdown.

I always liked when a top heel would be a top face clean. It didn't happen that often, so it felt special when it did. Doom beating the Steiners for the tag team straps in '90 was one of those moments. Clean win, even though Jim Ross tried to sell it as an illegal double team (when the whole last two minutes of the match was all four guys brawling).

As I think about this too much and too long, I do feel like Top Heel Tag Teams would get over cleanly more often than Top Heel single stars. On a card where you knew your Top Face goes over a Top Heel, you would often balance it out with the Top Heel Tag Team going over. The Russians (Ivan and Nikita Koloff) were a great example. They dominated every team, jobber or top, heel or face, for what seemed like forever (probably six months). Which made the win by the Rock and Roll Express all the more special (which I found out about by magazine cover).

Demolition, early Road Warriors, Chris Adams and Gino Hernandez, Midnight Express (yes, the tennis racket would get wins, but they would get over cleanly as well) are first teams that come to mind that balanced out the wins and loses on a card. Most had smaller, faster Face teams chasing them which made those wins finally seem like more.

Speaking of Demolition, it feels like continuing to sell after a match is lost on today's younger talent. I remember when Demolition beat Strike Force for the straps. Smash had been in Martel's boston crab before the pin, and even as Demotion won the match and celebrated outside the ring, Smash was still selling the injury to his back like crazy from the boston crab.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Logan Paul vs. Tribal Chief reportedly set for Saudi show

Another hint from Max Du PREEEE that LA Knight is returning YEAH!

 

[DJackson10]

Logan Paul vs. Tribal Chief reportedly set for Saudi show

Another hint from Max Du PREEEE that LA Knight is returning YEAH!

Got to give the Terror funding state what they want or heads are gonna ROLL!!!!!

 

[DJackson10]

Buddy and I are thinking of going to Extreme Rules in Philly but hesitant. Cheapest tickets are up top and we aren't sure if WWE is going to do their typical BS with the event even with Hunter in Charge. I haven't seen a true Extreme Rules match PPV in years put on by WWE. Should just call it no rules PPV.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Game Over

 

[DJackson10]

Mandy Rose is off the market. Engaged to Tito Sabatelli now former NXT talent

 

[DJackson10]

Cow Palace in SF being looked at for AEW Revolution

 

[DJackson10]

Surya Shida and Kana AKA Asuka a great moment

 

[DJackson10]

New found respect for Raj Giri for this

https://twitter.com/TheRajGiri/status/1571666171719749633?s=20&t=IfbbBdST13CKCEQVak5vgg

 

[DJackson10]

Malika Black has issued a statement from his IG account.

All,

Firstly thank you all for your messages, know they are being read and appreciated. With all the turmoil going on in the landscape of Professional Wrestling took the time to think of my words but also needed to wait until conversations between mine and AEW's camp had come to a conclusion.

Firstly, dislike reading parts of my private conversations between myself and AEW in regards to my mental well being on the internet. These conversations were private and not meant to be shared with the public. As by now most people realize I am a very private person and do not feel the need to have stuff like this out on the internet. If you've been following me longer than a cup of coffee you're aware I've spoken about them prior but would like to be the one deciding when this finds it's way to the public and not through someone else's mouth, as with anything through the lips of someone else: that story gets distorted.

Secondly, to be in line with the above, they also need context:

I did indeed ask for my release, the last 2 years of my life have lended to a lot of set backs. Both me and my wife have been affected by uncontrollable actions from the outside that resulted in loss of life, medical set backs, career jeopardizing, the suicide of a close friend and a close family member almost losing their life, then experiencing an injury that I was sure was the end of my career. I spend every week going through several sessions of rehab, dry needling and therapy just to be able to walk and compete. Now this being the tip of the iceberg and with the combination of the promises in my professional field that were not upheld which resulted as a combination of all of these to a complete demoralization of life and career. This decision had been in my mind for the past six months.

It's hard to really put a finger and say "this was the moment it all went wrong." But can tell you after many years that have learned from a rational point of view to see when I need to hit the breaks; which is what this is.

Perhaps once my mind settles on certain things and processes the last 2 years a bit better will convey(via a different platform than written out) what the exacts were that happened, and have a more informed conversation about them.

For now know that I am good, and am taking, for the first time in 22 years, a few months to recalibrate the last 2 decades of my life.

Lastly, have read a few narratives online in regards to my "release", mental health and my personal life that I can summarize swiftly; if it didn't come from me, it didn't happen. Stuff about conditional releases, stuff in my marriage or using said mental health to leverage the other when as said before that part wasn't even going to be part of the public conversation are false. My marriage is fine, am fine. It is just time to make sure those things stay that way.

Once again, appreciate your support and we will see each other soon enough.

MB

 

[DJackson10]

AEW has been having leaks recently. Some people I've talked too plus my own research we've come up with a person who could be leaking stuff. These leaks didn't start till 5-6 months ago. Pat Buck came into the company around then. Before his release there was rumors and then after his release that WWE cut him do to the fact he was leaking stuff to dirt sheets. Can't be a coincidence. This is a company who we remember kept the Whole Brodie Lee situation under wraps until he died. There's a rat and TK and company need to figure out who it is.

 

[DJackson10]

The AEW talent meeting with Jericho, MOX and Danielson was said to have had a very positive effect. The 3 taking leadership more after the All Out Fiasco was seen as very well put together. Many commended Mox for canceling his time off. Jericho has been a big part of AEW since day 1 and looked at as a Defacto leader. Danielson since he came in a year and Half ago has been very positive and many great responses for how he's helped the younger talent get over. Moxley is seen in the locker room similar to an Austin/Undertaker role. Taking the reigns and giving everyone the big pep talk to get people fired up. He's taken more and more of a leadership role since coming into AEW. He's gained a lot of respect over the last year just from taking responsibility with his issues, rehabbing, coming back and doing anything asked of him from Interm Champion to canceling time off. The promo he made recently really was taken positively by many in the back and seen as a call sign for talent to put up or shut up now. Numerious wrestlers liked how Mox talked about the successs of everyone on the roster given Punk's comments how he and only a select few others had ever accomplished anything in wrestling that are on the AEW roster.

Overall the talent meeting was seen as a very good thing and was taken more positively hen the one awhile back with the Bucks/Kenny and Jericho.

Speaking of the Bucks they are well liked backstage. However they can rub certain people who don't know them well like the newer talent wrong. The Bucks have done a lot to help certain talent as well.

 

[Tom Servo]

Surya Shida and Kana AKA Asuka a great moment

* tempted to make a "Turning Japanese" joke, but will refrain *

 

[Bogart]

War Games coming to Survivor Series will be cool, one men's and one women's, and it won't be Brand related but storyline.

Bloodline vs. Drew/Brawling Brutes would work. Or you do Brawling Brutes and Imperium, with the Bloodline defending all of the gold in other matches.

Not going to pretend to know a woman's angle with enough participants to make it happen.

 

[DJackson10]

HHH announces Survivor Series WarGAMES!!!!!!! Matches will be story driven not Brand vs Brand 2 War-game matches

 

[UOFI_316]

Holy cow, my sources say that Survivor Series will have 2 War Games matches, and they won't be brand versus brand, they will be story driven !!!!11!!!!1!!


Sorry, couldn't help myself, needed to Honda the Honda.

 

[DJackson10]

Buddy and I are thinking of going to Extreme Rules in Philly but hesitant. Cheapest tickets are up top and we aren't sure if WWE is going to do their typical BS with the event even with Hunter in Charge. I haven't seen a true Extreme Rules match PPV in years put on by WWE. Should just call it no rules PPV.

Not going now. Milan is announcing a Milan Club group event for the Juventus match in NYC at Jay Z's 4O 4O club the same day. Gonna be hard to see the match and then travel back and go to that.

 

[Tom Servo]

Who are all these simps who are drooling over Rhea Ripley?

 

[Bogart]

Who are all these simps who are drooling over Rhea Ripley?

I wouldn't say I'm drooling, but she has a vibe about her, that I completely dig. I especially think that those might dip their toes into an alternative lifestyle is really enjoying the look she's throwing down lately.

 

[DJackson10]

Who are all these simps who are drooling over Rhea Ripley?

I liked her look when she first came in. She's into a lot of Heavy metal and stuff like that. It came off as a mix of punk girl and rocker girl at the same time. Some guys have a thing for the gothic look though.

 

[facook]

When are the Vikings ever gonna learn? Karma is a you know what

Vikings announcer Paul Allen this summer on VSIN: “A lot of eyes will be opened second game of the season when [the Vikings] go back there and whoop that a**”

Allen is a complete homer blowhard.

 

[soothsayer]

Allen is a complete homer blowhard.

He is. He's also one of the best horse race callers in the biz at Canterbury Park. So good.

 

[Bogart]

Saraya, aka Paige, showed up at AEW last night. Huge pop. I worry about her wellbeing with the green talent of AEW, but if she follows a late Stone Cold fighting style and protects her neck, she could be the biggest get for the company this year.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Saraya, aka Paige, showed up at AEW last night. Huge pop. I worry about her wellbeing with the green talent of AEW, but if she follows a late Stone Cold fighting style and protects her neck, she could be the biggest get for the company this year.

Why would you be worried for her?

 

[Bogart]

Saraya, aka Paige, showed up at AEW last night. Huge pop. I worry about her wellbeing with the green talent of AEW, but if she follows a late Stone Cold fighting style and protects her neck, she could be the biggest get for the company this year.

Why would you be worried for her?

Exactly. Those are some of the most brutal botches ever. She has to be smart. Kick, punch, finisher, get out of there.

 

[DJackson10]

Saraya, aka Paige, showed up at AEW last night. Huge pop. I worry about her wellbeing with the green talent of AEW, but if she follows a late Stone Cold fighting style and protects her neck, she could be the biggest get for the company this year.

I've heard from people they've done extensive research here on here. They wouldn't put her in the ring if they didn't feel comfortable similar to Danielson. Also with Danielson there they've gone through him on stuff with her as well.

 

[DJackson10]

Saraya, aka Paige, showed up at AEW last night. Huge pop. I worry about her wellbeing with the green talent of AEW, but if she follows a late Stone Cold fighting style and protects her neck, she could be the biggest get for the company this year.

Why would you be worried for her?

that guy has me blocked for some reason and I don't know why. I've never even associated with him

 

[DJackson10]

Some Meltzer stuff on AEW and WWE

The tone deafness of WWE continues as theres talk of Vince McMahon induction in WWE HOF next year. Does he belong sure? But at least wait awhile before this dies down WWE execs see it as a way to give Vince his farewell.

Bray Wyatt to WWE is Imminent. Gabe Sapolisky who is well known by the older wrestling fans as a huge part of Paul Heyman and ECW is back in creative at WWE. No word if he's going back to his prior role in NXT or main roster Gabe also started Ring of Honor

DX 25 YRS being advised for an OCT RAW

NXT has dropped the 2.O and talent now signed will have2 yrs to prove they are NXT TV ready. Some are presumedly already on the clock. WWE has shied away from Indy wrestler and going with the more college athlete. The Summer Slame tryouts were "a disaster and embarrassing" so they may change back

AEW wise Black wasn't the only one who asked for a WWE release. When The changing of the Gaurd happened WWE contacted multiple AEW people under contract. Meltzer states many are happy with their spot in AEW but really liked working under Hunter as well and tried to see if they could get out of their deals or not. Most of those former talent did go to AEW legal and reported what WWE prompting the actions by AEW legal that anymore of that they would be threatening legal action against WWE.

Saraya AKA Paige hasn't been cleared to wrestle yet but the hope is that she will. Meltzer says at this time there's no talk on what her role in AEW will be yet until that part is settleed

Original Full Gear plan before Punk broke his foot was for MJF vs Punk and MJF to take the title in CHITOWN and get nuclear heat in the process.

El Hijo del Vikingo may be getting a U.S. visa soon which he and promoters have been waiting on. RGR Promotions advertised him as coming soon and they were said to be working on a visa for him.



Reporting in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Dave Meltzer noted that AEW won’t be heading to the UK until next summer at the earliest, while providing a potential venue.

“Right now it still looks like next summer at the earliest for a U.K. debut at Craven Cottage, the home of Fulham”

 

[DJackson10]

Reports emerged that Kenny Omega told the roster that he would not have hired eight out of ten of them. According to Dave Meltzer, these comments were misinterpreted and were simply meant as a teasing comment to Omega’s rival Will Ospreay, who was present at the meeting.

However, a new exclusive report from Cultaholic suggests that this may not have been the case.

Cultaholic’s source gave more details on the alleged speech, claiming that Omega turned to Ospreay after his comment and said that the British star didn’t even work in AEW yet he could wrestle circles around everyone in the room.

The report from Cultaholic also notes that the source interpreted Omega’s comments as an expression of unhappiness with what the company had turned into.

The tensions between talent were obviously not erased at this meeting and led to a now infamous backstage brawl following All Out, resulting in numerous top names being suspended by the company.

Talent meetings seem to have become common place in AEW nowadays, with reports stating that yet another one took place prior to last night’s Dynamite Grand Slam event.

 

[Bogart]

My Tribal Chief with a riveting 20 mins of television without breaking a sweat.

Love how you thought Sami was able to get jumped and then accepted as an honorary Uce. Except Jey.

Just great storytelling.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Besides being molten hot, what exactly does Liv Morgan bring to the women's division? Between the two brands, I can name a dozen wrestlers who should have that belt over her.
She's absolutely terrible (not Aliyah terrible). Someone with as many years in the business as her should be showing some improvement, but she botches two moves a match (at least).

 

[DJackson10]

SDL opening was the best segment I've seen in ever. The Sammy Segments with The Bloodline are great too.

 

[DJackson10]

McIntyre vs Kross in a Strap Match!!!!

Oh Whoops we said strap on TV in WWE

 

[Bogart]

Gotta give the writers some credit, Butch is more entertaining, more over and getting more TV time than Pete Dunne ever did.

 

[Bogart]

Besides being molten hot, what exactly does Liv Morgan bring to the women's division? Between the two brands, I can name a dozen wrestlers who should have that belt over her.
She's absolutely terrible (not Aliyah terrible). Someone with as many years in the business as her should be showing some improvement, but she botches two moves a match (at least).

I think you answered in your first four words. I really want her to be good. Beautiful, great look, athletic and you can tell she loves the business. But she’s not good enough to be champ.

She honestly needs a Mandy Rose like trip down to NXT.

 

[DJackson10]

Besides being molten hot, what exactly does Liv Morgan bring to the women's division? Between the two brands, I can name a dozen wrestlers who should have that belt over her.
She's absolutely terrible (not Aliyah terrible). Someone with as many years in the business as her should be showing some improvement, but she botches two moves a match (at least).

I think you answered in your first four words. I really want her to be good. Beautiful, great look, athletic and you can tell she loves the business. But she’s not good enough to be champ.

She honestly needs a Mandy Rose like trip down to NXT.

She's a transitional champ right now. Becky is Bianca is hasn't been wrestling etc. Who on SDL is taking the title? I suspect Rousey takes it in Philly though.

 

[DJackson10]

The Great Muta!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bogart]

Did not expect The Great Muta on my TV tonight. Saw him versus Kabuki in Dallas as a kid.

Also, Julia Hart completely missed a table and landed hard on the floor. Hope she’s Ok.

 

[DJackson10]

Did not expect The Great Muta on my TV tonight. Saw him versus Kabuki in Dallas as a kid.

Also, Julia Hart completely missed a table and landed hard on the floor. Hope she’s Ok.

Yeah interesting how partial table broke. Just shows how light those things are to easily break