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*** OFFICIAL PyeongChang 2018 Olympic Winter Games *** (1 Viewer)

Ok the women's hockey game is 5-0 in the 2nd. Can't we switch to something else?

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
They also really should have the women snowboarders go before the men. They're great but their tricks are a lot weaker than the guys, so they suffer by comparison. 
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Well we did get four athletes who completed a run.

Wind aside, why are women snowboarders so far behind the men when they are fairly close in gymnastics and even skating?

 
BassNBrew said:
Well we did get four athletes who completed a run.

Wind aside, why are women snowboarders so far behind the men when they are fairly close in gymnastics and even skating?
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In skating, I think there's still a gap (generally). I heard mention I think that some woman just did the first triple-axel in competition (I believe it's the hardest of the triples with 3.5 revolutions), while men have been doing them for years, and are now doing some quad jumps

Body mass may also be more beneficial to the men in snowboarding, since they're going downhill, whereas skaters and gymnasts are on flat surfaces.  The extra momentum going downhill likely allows for more airtime.  For skaters and gymnasts, the extra mass is a hindrance, since the athlete is supplying all the energy to get off the ground.

 
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BassNBrew said:
Well we did get four athletes who completed a run.

Wind aside, why are women snowboarders so far behind the men when they are fairly close in gymnastics and even skating?
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I don't know, I guess it's just a basic difference in athleticism.  The wind surely didn't help either.  I just feel like these women (who are equally good on the rails, it should be noted) should go first so people like me who don't regularly watch slopestyle can be impressed by what they are doing rather than thinking "big deal, a 720...." only because I just saw someone do a 1440 triple cork off the same jump a day or two earlier.

 
BassNBrew said:
Well we did get four athletes who completed a run.

Wind aside, why are women snowboarders so far behind the men when they are fairly close in gymnastics and even skating?
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It doesn't make any sense to me either.  Skiing and Snowboarding are both quad dominant sports. In general, quad dominant sports are where Women can narrow the gap on men. It's possible that some of the stability requires further activation that they are disadvantaged towards.  dunno.  It's somewhat a mystery.  Smaller frames should be able to rotate with less energy expenditure, I mean it's science.  

Men and Women gymnastics do differ a bit, in that there is no pommel horse/rings for the women.    

 
culdeus said:
It doesn't make any sense to me either.  Skiing and Snowboarding are both quad dominant sports. In general, quad dominant sports are where Women can narrow the gap on men. It's possible that some of the stability requires further activation that they are disadvantaged towards.  dunno.  It's somewhat a mystery.  Smaller frames should be able to rotate with less energy expenditure, I mean it's science.  

Men and Women gymnastics do differ a bit, in that there is no pommel horse/rings for the women.    
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I think more than stability it's the strength to stop the rotation on the landing.  The more spins is more rotational speed which means more strength should be required to stop the rotation.

The other thing the men are also tend to rotate along two axis (i.e. spinning and then head or feet).

 
Sammy3469 said:
I think more than stability it's the strength to stop the rotation on the landing.  The more spins is more rotational speed which means more strength should be required to stop the rotation.

The other thing the men are also tend to rotate along two axis (i.e. spinning and then head or feet).
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Well from an anatomy perspective maybe the quads don't help stop the rotation and it would require other chains. 

Do the downhill skiiing times compare favorably male/female?

 
culdeus said:
Well from an anatomy perspective maybe the quads don't help stop the rotation and it would require other chains. 

Do the downhill skiiing times compare favorably male/female?
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They never really do the same courses and even if they do the women start further down the hill, so who knows how they'd do.  Vonn did train with the US team in Chile last winter and the men said they thought she'd be top 30 on the men's circuit (i.e. she was beating the less experienced guys, but not the best 2-3).  

I do think there is something with the strength in stopping/launching than in anything else.  Red Gerard isn't exactly the biggest dude and it may just be that the men are simply 5 years ahead of the women in doing these thricks.  (As an aside, the men were doing 1620's and 1800 at the X-Games in Jan in perfect weather, so it may also be the case of the winds really just screwing everyone up).

 
Maybe this is sort of get off my lawn, but I mean is there some rush to do these events?  These athletes got somewhere to be if they push the trick stuff a day or two? 

 
culdeus said:
Maybe this is sort of get off my lawn, but I mean is there some rush to do these events?  These athletes got somewhere to be if they push the trick stuff a day or two? 
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Yes. They have to be done to watch synchronized pairs jazz ice dance team competition. 

 
culdeus said:
Maybe this is sort of get off my lawn, but I mean is there some rush to do these events?  These athletes got somewhere to be if they push the trick stuff a day or two? 
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The short answer is no.  They were saying Gerrard's actually coming back to the West Coast for sponsor events before going back over for the Big Air event at the end of the games.  My guess is NBC wanted the filler and didn't want another event backed up.

 
culdeus said:
Maybe this is sort of get off my lawn, but I mean is there some rush to do these events?  These athletes got somewhere to be if they push the trick stuff a day or two? 
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I would think for any massive event like this, with broadcast rights sold and scheduled worldwide, travel schedules, ticketing, etc. all depending on an established event schedule, it must be extremely important to stick to the schedule if possible.

 
Every 4 years, I try to figure out what the heck is going on in Curling and learn the rules..... while trying to figure out why it is an Olympic sport.

 
Chadstroma said:
Every 4 years, I try to figure out what the heck is going on in Curling and learn the rules..... while trying to figure out why it is an Olympic sport.
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You serious? The rules are about as simple as a game gets. Pretty similar to bocce ball if you've played that. Only one team scores per round. You get a point for each stone that is closer to the middle than any of your opponents closest stone. I believe they play eight rounds. That's the basic idea. 

 
Chadstroma said:
Every 4 years, I try to figure out what the heck is going on in Curling and learn the rules..... while trying to figure out why it is an Olympic sport.
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Cjw_55106 said:
You serious? The rules are about as simple as a game gets. Pretty similar to bocce ball if you've played that. Only one team scores per round. You get a point for each stone that is closer to the middle than any of your opponents closest stone. I believe they play eight rounds. That's the basic idea. 
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Rules are pretty simple, strategy on the other hand not always that simple.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
You serious? The rules are about as simple as a game gets. Pretty similar to bocce ball if you've played that. Only one team scores per round. You get a point for each stone that is closer to the middle than any of your opponents closest stone. I believe they play eight rounds. That's the basic idea. 
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I thought that was what it was and something happened last night that caused me to believe that was not the case.

 
Chadstroma said:
Cjw_55106 said:
You serious? The rules are about as simple as a game gets. Pretty similar to bocce ball if you've played that. Only one team scores per round. You get a point for each stone that is closer to the middle than any of your opponents closest stone. I believe they play eight rounds. That's the basic idea. 
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I thought that was what it was and something happened last night that caused me to believe that was not the case.
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If he doesn't complete throwing his stone before he is "going to the ground" then he has to retain possession all the way through...

 
Seeing how we're faring in this chase and biathlon stuff makes me worry that the United States is falling way behind in the crucial "skiing sniper" arms race.  We may be vulnerable to invasion by a despotic place like Greenland.

 
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if the Olympics were held in north korea I assume a sport would be them releasing political prisoners into the woods, then skiers chase and shoot them?  gotta think they already do this in Norway, no?

 
It does seem like the shooters this year are ###.   Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but a single miss out of like 10 competitors was a OHMYGOD CAN YOU BELIEVE THE HUMANITY moment missing one target on one station rendered your entire lifetime of training worthless.  Guys were going 2/5 yesterday and just shaking it off.  

 
My Dad had his Office not far from the West Allis Speed Skating Oval.  Back in the 60's and 70's when I was growing up it was one of the very few (like two) in the U.S.  Sometimes we boys would skate there while my dad did his rounds.  My dad Introduced us to Dr. Doctor and Dr. Steele who had competed, apparently, at various Olympics and championships.  They were friends of his and they had kids pretty dedicated to speed skating.  One, Sarah Doctor made it to worlds and to the Olympic tryouts, and I think one games.

Beth and Eric Heiden use to train there from time to time, and Connie Carpenter too. I use to ride with Eric in the summer.  He liked to train on a bike on some days.  He was on the local 7/11 bike team in Madison as was a room mate of mine. When they were wrapping up their training rides, usually around a 100 miles, they would swing by our house to fill up their water bottles.  I would be their rabbit for the last part of their training.  They would give me a minute to a three minute head start and we would take off around Lake MENDOTA, depending on the route about 23.8 to 26 miles around.  They would try to chase me down, me fresh and them tired, but me riding solo and them riding usually 5 to 8 riders strong, meaning I really did not have much of a chance.  Sometime I would cheat and get to draft a vehicle for a few miles on the far side of the lake. On those days, sometimes, I could take them.  I had a blast being the rabbit.  Sometimes I would try to blow them out by going out way too hard.  They would panic when they did not see me in the amount of time and distance they normally did which meant they would really have to hump it up a three mile straight which was usually into the wind to get a chance to scope out just how far ahead I might still be.The thing is, if I boinked, so what, I could bring it home at my leisure after they caught me, while they still felt the need to maintain a fairly good training pace. 

The 1980's Olympics was interesting to me like no other as I knew several Olympians.  I knew mark Johnson a little bit and he knew me by first name, though I doubt well enough to know my last name. obviously I knew all of the speed skaters mentioned above.  I had also met Phil and Steve Mahre and skied with them for a half a day but in a setting where it is unlikely they would have had any memory of me.

 
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GregR said:
Seeing how we're faring in this chase and biathlon stuff makes me worry that the United States is falling way behind in the crucial "skiing sniper" arms race.  We may be vulnerable to invasion by a despotic place like Greenland.
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Dude, we snipe from our 4 X 4's and our snow machines.  We will be fine.

 
GregR said:
If he doesn't complete throwing his stone before he is "going to the ground" then he has to retain possession all the way through...
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In a funny contrast with the current Kafkaesque state of NFL rules -- one of the Canadians threw the wrong color stone this past weekend. Canada was playing red, and she accidentally threw a yellow stone. Both announcers immediately agreed its no problem, and they'll just replace it with the right color after it stops, which is what they did.

Curling is so cool.

 
culdeus said:
It does seem like the shooters this year are ###.   Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but a single miss out of like 10 competitors was a OHMYGOD CAN YOU BELIEVE THE HUMANITY moment missing one target on one station rendered your entire lifetime of training worthless.  Guys were going 2/5 yesterday and just shaking it off.  
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I think the gusty winds are really messing with them.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
In a funny contrast with the current Kafkaesque state of NFL rules -- one of the Canadians threw the wrong color stone this past weekend. Canada was playing red, and she accidentally threw a yellow stone. Both announcers immediately agreed its no problem, and they'll just replace it with the right color after it stops, which is what they did.

Curling is so cool.
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"Yeah.  It's Kafkaesque..." - Jesse Pinkman

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Just played this last week for the first time in ages.  I sucked.  The table was realllly long, but whatever they did to it (wax, sawdust) made the pucks fly like nobody's business.  The table had to be 40 feet long, yet the slightest flick sent the puck off the back.  It was GD hard.  I don't remember it being that hard. (that's what she said)
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Wife and I play it everytime we’re at our favorite spot on the coast.  I let her win once and she gloated so bad that I kicked the #### out of her from then on.

 
Adam rippon, the ice skater, talks about taking Zanax and having a cocktail. Is now the spokesperson for the ice skating team. Murica!

 
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