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*** Official *** Rogue One - A Star Wars Story (1 Viewer)

People complaining about character development should reserve judgement until they've seen the movie for the third time.  Then let me know if you still feel detached from the characters.  Don't forget you're comparing development to ANH which you probably have seen like 100 times...

 
Problem with CGI faces is that they go out of their way to convey every bit of detail on the face.  CGI faces often look crisper.  You could count the liver spots on the CGI Tarkin; something that you couldn't do if he were real.  

They need to make the CGI face incredibly detailed.....then put CGI actors makeup on it to help the CGI character blend in better.

Soem of you guys must be blind if you can't still see the difference. 


if it were just that simple, why hasn't the uncanny valley been truly crossed yet.

Skin detail, muscle motion, subtle/complex eye motion, hair, etc. etc...dozens and dozens of people working to make this look as great as it can, for months on end, and it's still an elusive problem to solve.

 
Maybe it was the IMAX 3D, but I found Tarkin's CGI to be very reminiscent of Dobby the House Elf. The mouth movements seemed so artificial and distracting I couldn't quite concentrate on what the character was saying. I'd say the same thing about the Leia CGI, but then her botox job in TFA had the same effect, so I got over that quickly. Hopefully it won't stand out as much in 2D, or they'd be able to subtly enhance it for the 3D Blu-Ray Edition I will inevitably purchase.

But those are my only nits to pick. I thought it was fantastic. We saw Vader's house!!!
This is the primary issue I have with it. The mouths never quite open far enough for the words being spoken. And the eyes are just...dead.

It was a gigantic issue in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (such that it mattered - the plot was an even bigger wreck), a huge issue with CLU in Tron: Legacy and remains an issue with Rogue One.

Leia looked like a manga character.

Apparently some people are more susceptible to the Uncanny Valley  effect than others. It bothers me terribly.

Another UV article.

 
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This is the primary issue I have with it. The mouths never quite open far enough for the words being spoken. And the eyes are just...dead.

It was a gigantic issue in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (such that it mattered - the plot was an even bigger wreck), a huge issue with CLU in Tron: Legacy and remains an issue with Rogue One.

Leia looked like a manga character.

Apparently some people are more susceptible to the Uncanny Valley  effect than others. It bothers me terribly.
So I have a friend who is always quick to point out flaws and loves looking for plot holes, etc.  Now he likes Star Wars, but he's more of a casual friend.

I just asked him what he thought of the CGI, and he had no idea Tarkin was CGI.  I think that says a lot for the state of the technology that people that didn't know it was CGI couldn't tell.  

 
So I have a friend who is always quick to point out flaws and loves looking for plot holes, etc.  Now he likes Star Wars, but he's more of a casual friend.

I just asked him what he thought of the CGI, and he had no idea Tarkin was CGI.  I think that says a lot for the state of the technology that people that didn't know it was CGI couldn't tell.  
Some people see a blue/black dress and others see a gold/white one. :shrug:

What did he think of the Leia effect?

 
People complaining about character development should reserve judgement until they've seen the movie for the third time.  Then let me know if you still feel detached from the characters.  Don't forget you're comparing development to ANH which you probably have seen like 100 times...
For a movie like this, character development may not have been the most important aspect.  Yes, you want to sympathize with the plight of these characters and their own personal struggles but for most of them that was fighting for the rebellion and helping to take down the Empire.  Jyn took some coaxing but eventually she also saw the importance of the rebellion and what her father was trying to do was the same goal.  I think that was the most character development that was needed.

 
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As far as the CGI, I thought that Cushing was dead but didn't know about the CG going into it.  I actually thought I must have been mistaken and that he looked a lot older around the eyes especially.  The continuity problem interested me because it actually takes place before ANH.

After reading the movie I think I saw something about the CG and realized he was fake.  Then seeing it the second time it became obvious (much bigger screen, and digital - the first time was 3d on a smaller screen).

 
People complaining about character development should reserve judgement until they've seen the movie for the third time.  Then let me know if you still feel detached from the characters.  Don't forget you're comparing development to ANH which you probably have seen like 100 times...




 
Agreed. Plus, we were first exposed to the A New Hope characters in our youth. We grew up loving or hating them to the point of cherishing them. They've been a part of us for the majority of our lives. These new characters aren't even a week old. They can't be on the same level yet.

 
This is the primary issue I have with it. The mouths never quite open far enough for the words being spoken. And the eyes are just...dead.

It was a gigantic issue in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (such that it mattered - the plot was an even bigger wreck), a huge issue with CLU in Tron: Legacy and remains an issue with Rogue One.

Leia looked like a manga character.

Apparently some people are more susceptible to the Uncanny Valley  effect than others. It bothers me terribly.
Maybe you're thinking about this too much. It wasn't all that noticeable unless you were looking for it. 

 
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The Leia CGI was more noticeable, but bothered me less cause the whole ending was just perfect.

I think they could have fudged the story a little bit to have Tarkin not be in it.  Have him be off overseeing another project in the short timeframe of this story or something.

 
This is the primary issue I have with it. The mouths never quite open far enough for the words being spoken. And the eyes are just...dead.

It was a gigantic issue in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (such that it mattered - the plot was an even bigger wreck), a huge issue with CLU in Tron: Legacy and remains an issue with Rogue One.

Leia looked like a manga character.

Apparently some people are more susceptible to the Uncanny Valley  effect than others. It bothers me terribly.

Another UV article.
Interesting article. I've experienced the uncanny valley with other things but not with Tarkin. As I mentioned in another post I thought it was a Tarkin look alike! I saw RO in 2D so I'd be interested to see in 3D to see if I felt differently.

 
That said... props to Disney for resurrecting this franchise in the right way.  Absolutely loved both movies and getting to go see them with my daughter on a now annual date night is pretty cool. :thumbup:

 
The Leia CGI was more noticeable, but bothered me less cause the whole ending was just perfect.

I think they could have fudged the story a little bit to have Tarkin not be in it.  Have him be off overseeing another project in the short timeframe of this story or something.
Honestly I thought the cgi looked fine but it's weird they didn't just recast. Who would be upset by that? People die, it happens. 

Glad they did though, I think it's cool. 

 
Some people see a blue/black dress and others see a gold/white one. :shrug:

What did he think of the Leia effect?
Noticed Leia immediately as poor CGI (at least in comparison to Tarkin IMO). In fact, after I learned later that Tarkin was CGI my thought was "How could they make Tarkin look so awesome walking, talking and interacting but Leia so poorly for only 2-3 seconds just turning around?"

 
I think the biggest problem with the Leia effect is that she's exhibiting the wrong emotion. Her face shows happiness when it should show relief mixed with concern. 

She looks like she's about to burst into a Disney Princess song "I don't know when...I don't know how...but I know something's starting RIGHT NOWWWWW!!!!"

 
They introduce Tarkin via reflection in the shadows of the bridge. I felt they should've played that scene out a bit more the same way, then bring him into full view gradually during the movie--it could've been more effective in providing a more sinister quality to Tarkin and his heel-turn/d!ck move when he claims the DS project for himself. 

 
Count me as another viewer who thought Tarkin was played by a lookalike actor. Either way, it was still 12,000 parsecs better than the CGI from the prequel trilogy.

 
if it were just that simple, why hasn't the uncanny valley been truly crossed yet.

Skin detail, muscle motion, subtle/complex eye motion, hair, etc. etc...dozens and dozens of people working to make this look as great as it can, for months on end, and it's still an elusive problem to solve.
I don't know if it will ever be crossed....but I do think animators, most of the time, go out of their way to show (for lack of a better word) the processing power involved rather than the art.  Subtlety works....and I think a lot of times animators either don't realize that or want to show their creations in realistic shadow....or in the case of R1, show the CGI Tarkin via a hologram.

 
if it were just that simple, why hasn't the uncanny valley been truly crossed yet.

Skin detail, muscle motion, subtle/complex eye motion, hair, etc. etc...dozens and dozens of people working to make this look as great as it can, for months on end, and it's still an elusive problem to solve.
I wonder if it's not because of what we're seeing in THIS discussion. It's possible that the people working on it really don't see it (like Capella) and there's nobody in the room that can (like me) and thus they come to a consensus of "looks good". It DOES look good to most people, but not to others.

And there's possibly an economic factor to it. Maybe the law of diminishing returns applies where it gets prohibitively expensive the closer you get to "real".

 
I wonder if it's not because of what we're seeing in THIS discussion. It's possible that the people working on it really don't see it (like Capella) and there's nobody in the room that can (like me) and thus they come to a consensus of "looks good". It DOES look good to most people, but not to others.

And there's possibly an economic factor to it. Maybe the law of diminishing returns applies where it gets prohibitively expensive the closer you get to "real".
As I was watching I wondered if I would notice it as much if I didn't know they were CGI. 

 
This is the primary issue I have with it. The mouths never quite open far enough for the words being spoken. And the eyes are just...dead.

It was a gigantic issue in Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (such that it mattered - the plot was an even bigger wreck), a huge issue with CLU in Tron: Legacy and remains an issue with Rogue One.

Leia looked like a manga character.

Apparently some people are more susceptible to the Uncanny Valley  effect than others. It bothers me terribly.
Maybe you're thinking about this too much. It wasn't all that noticeable unless you were looking for it. 
fwiw- I wasn't looking for at all... but it was pretty obvious and "off". didn't bother me too much, as I found it cool to think how they did it. but it was definitely right there.

 
They introduce Tarkin via reflection in the shadows of the bridge. I felt they should've played that scene out a bit more the same way, then bring him into full view gradually during the movie--it could've been more effective in providing a more sinister quality to Tarkin and his heel-turn/d!ck move when he claims the DS project for himself. 
That would have been cool as well.  I'm actually surprised that they used him that much in the story.  They didn't "have" to.  The main bad guy was good enough. 

I've been trying to think about how much money a Darth Vader movie would make if the Vader we got was the one from the last 5 minutes of the battle.  The story of Vader traveling the galaxy hunting Jedi to terminate them would be awesome in terms of visuals and action, but there would be no good guy.  But if they pulled it off.  It would be a $5 billion movie. 

 
That would have been cool as well.  I'm actually surprised that they used him that much in the story.  They didn't "have" to.  The main bad guy was good enough. 

I've been trying to think about how much money a Darth Vader movie would make if the Vader we got was the one from the last 5 minutes of the battle.  The story of Vader traveling the galaxy hunting Jedi to terminate them would be awesome in terms of visuals and action, but there would be no good guy.  But if they pulled it off.  It would be a $5 billion movie. 
Hunting for Obi-wan. He's the good guy, trying to save other Jedi from being whooped by Vader.

:moneybag:

 
I am just amazed that so many of you knew that guys name was Tarkin.  I just knew him as one of the lead commanders for Vader.  Seriously,  do they ever mention his name?

 
The story of Vader traveling the galaxy hunting Jedi to terminate them would be awesome in terms of visuals and action, but there would be no good guy. But if they pulled it off. It would be a $5 billion movie.
To me, this is a bit like saying "Jaws" would have been more successful if they showed more shark attacks.

 
I am just amazed that so many of you knew that guys name was Tarkin.  I just knew him as one of the lead commanders for Vader.  Seriously,  do they ever mention his name?
"Governor Tarkin, I should've expected to find you holding Vader's leash. I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board." -- Princess Leia, A New Hope

 
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Maybe a little.  But the scope of the battle, the fact that at first it looked like they were going to pull it off and get away with it and then all of the sudden the tides turned and they just got massively overgunned and outmanned... that is what Jedi should have been. 
Don't you remember when Nanta was shot and killed and his buddy Romba couldn't wake him up so he sat and mourned him?

 
Joe Summer said:
To me, this is a bit like saying "Jaws" would have been more successful if they showed more shark attacks.
Nah, we know there is a back story with Vader between 3 and 4.  At the end of 3, there were still a ton of jedi alive.  By the start of 4 there weren't.  There is a story there.

 
Nah, we know there is a back story with Vader between 3 and 4. At the end of 3, there were still a ton of jedi alive. By the start of 4 there weren't. There is a story there.
The problem is that the more you show of Vader as cold-blooded murderer, the harder it is to reconcile his redemption at the end of Jedi.

 
Don't you remember when Nanta was shot and killed and his buddy Romba couldn't wake him up so he sat and mourned him?
so powerful.............lol

The best part of all these Star Wars threads are the people who crap on Revenge of the Sith in one breath and then go on to talk about how Jedi was a great film.

 
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They won't be remade and they don't need to be.  It is what it is, and their failure helped launch the current success in some ways.  Lots of (good) untold stories to come.

 
if I understood his deal with Disney, he sold the entire kit and kaboodle for $4 billion.  All that he retained was Skywalker Ranch.  Are you saying he still holds some rights?
No I'm merely speaking tongue in cheek that it would be in poor taste to #### on him so openly.

 
They won't be remade and they don't need to be.  It is what it is, and their failure helped launch the current success in some ways.  Lots of (good) untold stories to come.
What they lack in acting and plot, they almost make up for with universe building. The settings, size and scale of the galaxy is felt throughout the prequels.  It's amplified in the clone wars show. I would not want to lose all that when they've already destroyed the EU.

 

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