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Bonzai said:
Native said:
Does Borussia Dortmund have any real footballing ambitions? They sell Lewandowski and Gotze to the arch-rivals in succesive years. Now theyre going to offload one of the best young defenders in the world (Mats Hummels, 25 y/o) to Manchester United for a whopping 16m pounds. Thats Fabio Borini money. Why do it? They cant possibly need the money with the largest attendance in all of Europe and regular champions league football.

Can Mjolnirs or one of the other Bundeliga higher-ups explain this to me like I'm David Moyes and its my first transfer window?
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No way this happens. Where are you seeing this?
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What's not going to happen? Hummels moving or for that price?

 
They just seem like a selling club. And not the kind of selling club that will squeeze every last penny out of you either.

"You want Lewandowski? Do you mind if keep him for one more year? Thanks so much"

 
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Native said:
Bonzai said:
Native said:
Does Borussia Dortmund have any real footballing ambitions? They sell Lewandowski and Gotze to the arch-rivals in succesive years. Now theyre going to offload one of the best young defenders in the world (Mats Hummels, 25 y/o) to Manchester United for a whopping 16m pounds. Thats Fabio Borini money. Why do it? They cant possibly need the money with the largest attendance in all of Europe and regular champions league football.

Can Mjolnirs or one of the other Bundeliga higher-ups explain this to me like I'm David Moyes and its my first transfer window?
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No way this happens. Where are you seeing this?
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Twitter is reporting it and rebuffing it simultnaeously.
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I don't see him going for less than double that.

It'd be nice though. :homer:

 
Native said:
They just seem like a selling club. And not the kind of selling club that will squeeze every last penny out of you either.

"You want Lewandowski? Do you mind if keep him for one more year? Thanks so much"
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Lewandowski and Gotze both said they were going to Bayern at the end of their contracts and that was it. Not much leverage at that point. I'd say it was ambitious of Dortmund to keep Lewandowski for an extra year and try to win with him rather than take the payoff.

Almost every club in the world is a selling club. There's like 7 that aren't.

 
Spartans Rule said:
Native said:
They just seem like a selling club. And not the kind of selling club that will squeeze every last penny out of you either.

"You want Lewandowski? Do you mind if keep him for one more year? Thanks so much"
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Lewandowski and Gotze both said they were going to Bayern at the end of their contracts and that was it. Not much leverage at that point. I'd say it was ambitious of Dortmund to keep Lewandowski for an extra year and try to win with him rather than take the payoff.

Almost every club in the world is a selling club. There's like 7 that aren't.
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Bayern met the release clause for Gotze and Lewandowski was hell bent on only Bayern with one year left on his deal. Dortmund didn't have much of a say in either case.

 
boubucarow said:
Spartans Rule said:
Native said:
They just seem like a selling club. And not the kind of selling club that will squeeze every last penny out of you either.

"You want Lewandowski? Do you mind if keep him for one more year? Thanks so much"
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Lewandowski and Gotze both said they were going to Bayern at the end of their contracts and that was it. Not much leverage at that point. I'd say it was ambitious of Dortmund to keep Lewandowski for an extra year and try to win with him rather than take the payoff.

Almost every club in the world is a selling club. There's like 7 that aren't.
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Bayern met the release clause for Gotze and Lewandowski was hell bent on only Bayern with one year left on his deal. Dortmund didn't have much of a say in either case.
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Neither of these was a negotiated sale, Lewa was a free and Bayern triggered Goetze's release clause. Mattias Sammer won titles for BvB as player and manager but was easily lured away when Bayern decided they wanted him. I hear all about the Bundesliga financial stability, 50+1 rule, etc., but BvB would have missed payroll and likely been in bankruptcy just ten years ago without a loan from Bayern. The ugly fact of the Bundesliga is that Bayern gets what Bayern wants, and that's been the case as long as I've been following the league.

 
Porto bought James Rodriquez for approx. €7m in July 2010; Monaco bought him for €45m in July 2013; Real bought him this week for reported €80m. Total transfer fees paid for him in 4 years now just over €132m, which I think puts him second all time for total transfer revenue behind Zlatan (€170m), just ahead of Nicolas Anelka who is now third (€130m).

http://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/transfererloese

 
CletiusMaximus said:
boubucarow said:
Spartans Rule said:
Native said:
They just seem like a selling club. And not the kind of selling club that will squeeze every last penny out of you either.

"You want Lewandowski? Do you mind if keep him for one more year? Thanks so much"
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Lewandowski and Gotze both said they were going to Bayern at the end of their contracts and that was it. Not much leverage at that point. I'd say it was ambitious of Dortmund to keep Lewandowski for an extra year and try to win with him rather than take the payoff.

Almost every club in the world is a selling club. There's like 7 that aren't.
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Bayern met the release clause for Gotze and Lewandowski was hell bent on only Bayern with one year left on his deal. Dortmund didn't have much of a say in either case.
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Neither of these was a negotiated sale, Lewa was a free and Bayern triggered Goetze's release clause. Mattias Sammer won titles for BvB as player and manager but was easily lured away when Bayern decided they wanted him. I hear all about the Bundesliga financial stability, 50+1 rule, etc., but BvB would have missed payroll and likely been in bankruptcy just ten years ago without a loan from Bayern. The ugly fact of the Bundesliga is that Bayern gets what Bayern wants, and that's been the case as long as I've been following the league.
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Didnt realize all of that - thats what I was looking for. Thanks for the color

 
Tiago re-signs for Atleti on a 2 year contract. His status as 3rd captain is revoked though, as that goes now to Godín. There are rumors that he was betrayed by Mou, who said he'd have a contract with Chelsea this season and a place in the coaching staff with him after that.

Personally, I welcome him back as he's a solid backup and knows the system without costing Atlético any money in transfer fees.

 
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charvik said:
BBC article on football in America, etc: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28386780

Mostly old news, but nice to see nonetheless.
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from the article:

"That personal message of congratulations from one of the most powerful men in the world could prove to be as significant as anything that happened on the pitch in Brazil.

The conversation may have lasted only 123 seconds, but soccer had been given a big thumbs-up by the White House. That such a call would ever take place was pretty implausible a decade ago."

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Not really true:

President Bush calls US Men's soccer team at WC 2002

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItKfVHMQ108

 
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NewlyRetired said:
charvik said:
BBC article on football in America, etc: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28386780

Mostly old news, but nice to see nonetheless.
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from the article:

"That personal message of congratulations from one of the most powerful men in the world could prove to be as significant as anything that happened on the pitch in Brazil.

The conversation may have lasted only 123 seconds, but soccer had been given a big thumbs-up by the White House. That such a call would ever take place was pretty implausible a decade ago."

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Not really true:

President Bush calls US Men's soccer team at WC 2002

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItKfVHMQ108
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Transcript:

"Hey guys. That was a really cool game of kickball you played out there. Say, why don't you do flips like in foosball? Welp, I can't stick around waiting for your answer, I've got to get to my vacation. Now watch this drive. Be sure to flip the Iraqi team off when you play your little game."

 
NewlyRetired said:
charvik said:
BBC article on football in America, etc: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28386780

Mostly old news, but nice to see nonetheless.
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from the article:

"That personal message of congratulations from one of the most powerful men in the world could prove to be as significant as anything that happened on the pitch in Brazil.

The conversation may have lasted only 123 seconds, but soccer had been given a big thumbs-up by the White House. That such a call would ever take place was pretty implausible a decade ago."

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Not only implausible, but impossible. They didn't have a World Cup in 2004.
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Norman Paperman said:
Native said:
SmoovySmoov said:
Christo said:
Why would Vorm agree to go to Spurs?
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Why would anyone? Amiright, Gylfi Siggurdsson?
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Who is Spurs #1 GK? Lloris or Vorm? Lloris just resigned for five years so its got to be him right?
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Seriously?

This not even a question. Right now 43-yo Friedel was the primary back-up. Vorm lost his job at Swansea, and now will be a more highly paid backup at Spurs.
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Figured as much. Just didnt think that Vorm would accept a backup position without a fight.

 
Vorm does get the potential to start if PSG comes in for Lloris next summer. But this is mostly about having a backup who can play with a high line. Friedel is many things, even at 43, but sweeper keeper is not one of them.

 
PSG cheekily trying to sidestep the FFP by offering to take Di Maria on loan.

And apparently Ancelotti's going back to a 4-2-3-1 next year. So presumably RM's lineup is going to be something like Lopez; Marcelo, Ramos, Pepe, Carvajal; Alonso, Modric; Ronaldo, Rodriguez, Bale; Benzema. ?

 
Good Posting Judge said:
PSG cheekily trying to sidestep the FFP by offering to take Di Maria on loan.

And apparently Ancelotti's going back to a 4-2-3-1 next year. So presumably RM's lineup is going to be something like Lopez; Marcelo, Ramos, Pepe, Carvajal; Alonso, Modric; Ronaldo, Rodriguez, Bale; Benzema. ?
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Kroos over Alonso? Kroos would be an expensive substitute but it's not impossible with that squad.

 
Tom Hagen said:
Good Posting Judge said:
PSG cheekily trying to sidestep the FFP by offering to take Di Maria on loan.

And apparently Ancelotti's going back to a 4-2-3-1 next year. So presumably RM's lineup is going to be something like Lopez; Marcelo, Ramos, Pepe, Carvajal; Alonso, Modric; Ronaldo, Rodriguez, Bale; Benzema. ?
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Kroos over Alonso? Kroos would be an expensive substitute but it's not impossible with that squad.
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Xabi's 3 day stubble isn't getting any younger.

 
Tom Hagen said:
Good Posting Judge said:
PSG cheekily trying to sidestep the FFP by offering to take Di Maria on loan.

And apparently Ancelotti's going back to a 4-2-3-1 next year. So presumably RM's lineup is going to be something like Lopez; Marcelo, Ramos, Pepe, Carvajal; Alonso, Modric; Ronaldo, Rodriguez, Bale; Benzema. ?
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Kroos over Alonso? Kroos would be an expensive substitute but it's not impossible with that squad.
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Would prefer to have a DM in one of those two.

 
El Floppo said:
Tom Hagen said:
Good Posting Judge said:
PSG cheekily trying to sidestep the FFP by offering to take Di Maria on loan.

And apparently Ancelotti's going back to a 4-2-3-1 next year. So presumably RM's lineup is going to be something like Lopez; Marcelo, Ramos, Pepe, Carvajal; Alonso, Modric; Ronaldo, Rodriguez, Bale; Benzema. ?
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Kroos over Alonso? Kroos would be an expensive substitute but it's not impossible with that squad.
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Xabi's 3 day stubble isn't getting any younger.
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Xabi is suspended for the first couple CL games anyway. In its wisdom, UEFA suspended him for celebrating when his team won UEFA's signature trophy.

 
2.5 weeks after beginning to walk, Young GPJ started kicking a beach ball around the house yesterday. :pickle:

Not much of a left foot as of yet, but he seems to have pretty good control.

 
It's sort of scary how good ball control every little kid (including my pudgy 12 year old step cousin) has in Croatia. God they love soccer there and if I was a good poster I'd give rundowns of the qualifying Europa League matches the Croatian club teams were playing. Alas, I'm not, but they loved Mario moving to Atletico. I think Bayern will miss him more than they think.

BTW, to put some perspective on a stadium sizes compared to MLS teams. Rijeka is starting to build a new state of the art stadium. They are the 3rd-4th biggest club there.. Total size is 21k.

 
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Sinn Fein said:
Vorm does get the potential to start if PSG comes in for Lloris next summer. But this is mostly about having a backup who can play with a high line. Friedel is many things, even at 43, but sweeper keeper is not one of them.
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I understand Spurs' thinking. Just not Vorm's.

 
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