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Lots of people gave credit to Aragones for the WC2010 win. He WAS the one that built that team and finally got the Barça players to get along with the Real players (and vice versa).

 
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So apparently this new team in LA that is taking Chivas USA's spot is going with, wait for it, .. LAFC as a "working title". Brilliant.

 
Sebowski said:
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So apparently this new team in LA that is taking Chivas USA's spot is going with, wait for it, .. LAFC as a "working title". Brilliant.
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wait, thats not the new name for the nfl team thats supposed to be relocating to LA?

more important is this weekend's....

MANCHESTER DERBY!!!

 
Just saw that River Plate recently ran their unbeaten to 29 games...truly amazing turnaround. One of the most enjoyable games I ever watched was a couple years ago when they had to win to regain promotion to the Argentine top flight. A few famous previous players (Trezeguet was one) had returned just to help them get back into the 1st division that season. I was really impressed by the devotion & loyalty the fans & former players had to "The Stripe"...they won, and the bedlam/euphoria that ensued was awesome. Now this. Such a great story...Los Millonarios!

 
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Kafka said:
Just saw that River Plate recently ran their unbeaten to 29 games...truly amazing turnaround. One of the most enjoyable games I ever watched was a couple years ago when they had to win to regain promotion to the Argentine top flight. A few famous previous players (Trezeguet was one) had returned just to help them get back into the 1st division that season. I was really impressed by the devotion & loyalty the fans & former players had to "The Stripe"...they won, and the bedlam/euphoria that ensued was awesome. Now this. Such a great story...Los Millonarios!
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CIES did recent analysis on youth academy production of top-5 league players in which River Plate was the top South American club. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1CIu5qIcAAIOUn.jpg

 
River v Boca is my favorite derby.

Always nuts- fans go ape####, and the players are up to all kinds of hijinx, including some occasionally great soccer.

I feel with the recent mega-globalization in the big leagues, the rivalries have taken a hit as players treat eachother with a bit more respect and a bit less heart-on-the-sleeve loyalty to their club. Not so much in Argentina.

 
MLS talk to follow, so if you can skip now if you don't care...

So every year I run sports franchise rankings on my site, wherein I evaluate all teams on a set of criteria that I feel is broader and more inclusive than just championships (although they are a big factor). My recent ones for the NBA and NFL describe the criteria I use respectively. Basically the idea is to reward teams that are good but maybe not great, and to even out the rankings of teams that have a handful of titles but a ton of lousy regular seasons.

I plan on publishing just such a list for MLS before the next season starts, and I need some help picking criteria. Here's what I have for point-scoring categories so far:

  • MLS Cup win
  • MLS Cup loss
  • Playoff series win (I don't plan on including the one-game knockout)
  • Playoff berth
  • Supporters Shield
  • Conference title
Anything else? I use winning regular seasons for my other leagues but I don't know if that considered a relevant stat for MLS given how important draws are.

 
El Floppo said:
River v Boca is my favorite derby.

Always nuts- fans go ape####, and the players are up to all kinds of hijinx, including some occasionally great soccer.

I feel with the recent mega-globalization in the big leagues, the rivalries have taken a hit as players treat eachother with a bit more respect and a bit less heart-on-the-sleeve loyalty to their club. Not so much in Argentina.
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Is this game televised in the US? I'm sure Andy could/would answer if he were still with us.

 
Autumn Wind said:
MLS talk to follow, so if you can skip now if you don't care...

So every year I run sports franchise rankings on my site, wherein I evaluate all teams on a set of criteria that I feel is broader and more inclusive than just championships (although they are a big factor). My recent ones for the NBA and NFL describe the criteria I use respectively. Basically the idea is to reward teams that are good but maybe not great, and to even out the rankings of teams that have a handful of titles but a ton of lousy regular seasons.

I plan on publishing just such a list for MLS before the next season starts, and I need some help picking criteria. Here's what I have for point-scoring categories so far:

  • MLS Cup win
  • MLS Cup loss
  • Playoff series win (I don't plan on including the one-game knockout)
  • Playoff berth
  • Supporters Shield
  • Conference title
Anything else? I use winning regular seasons for my other leagues but I don't know if that considered a relevant stat for MLS given how important draws are.
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CONCACAF Champions League success should be considered, but the US teams have of course not done very well in that tournament. RSL made the final a few years back and I think a few teams won it back in the Champions Cup days.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Autumn Wind said:
MLS talk to follow, so if you can skip now if you don't care...

So every year I run sports franchise rankings on my site, wherein I evaluate all teams on a set of criteria that I feel is broader and more inclusive than just championships (although they are a big factor). My recent ones for the NBA and NFL describe the criteria I use respectively. Basically the idea is to reward teams that are good but maybe not great, and to even out the rankings of teams that have a handful of titles but a ton of lousy regular seasons.

I plan on publishing just such a list for MLS before the next season starts, and I need some help picking criteria. Here's what I have for point-scoring categories so far:

  • MLS Cup win
  • MLS Cup loss
  • Playoff series win (I don't plan on including the one-game knockout)
  • Playoff berth
  • Supporters Shield
  • Conference title
Anything else? I use winning regular seasons for my other leagues but I don't know if that considered a relevant stat for MLS given how important draws are.
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CONCACAF Champions League success should be considered, but the US teams have of course not done very well in that tournament. RSL made the final a few years back and I think a few teams won it back in the Champions Cup days.
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So how might that work from a timing perspective? The four squads that qualified this year won't play until next summer (my rankings will be released prior to the start of the 2015 MLS season), and the squads in the current tourney aren't technically the same ones as from the 2013 MLS season (different lineups), so I'm not sure I could fairly evaluate them. Perhaps I can award points for qualifying?

 
CletiusMaximus said:
El Floppo said:
River v Boca is my favorite derby.

Always nuts- fans go ape####, and the players are up to all kinds of hijinx, including some occasionally great soccer.

I feel with the recent mega-globalization in the big leagues, the rivalries have taken a hit as players treat eachother with a bit more respect and a bit less heart-on-the-sleeve loyalty to their club. Not so much in Argentina.
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Is this game televised in the US? I'm sure Andy could/would answer if he were still with us.
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I know GolTv used to have those rights, not sure anymore.

 
Autumn Wind said:
MLS talk to follow, so if you can skip now if you don't care...

So every year I run sports franchise rankings on my site, wherein I evaluate all teams on a set of criteria that I feel is broader and more inclusive than just championships (although they are a big factor). My recent ones for the NBA and NFL describe the criteria I use respectively. Basically the idea is to reward teams that are good but maybe not great, and to even out the rankings of teams that have a handful of titles but a ton of lousy regular seasons.

I plan on publishing just such a list for MLS before the next season starts, and I need some help picking criteria. Here's what I have for point-scoring categories so far:

  • MLS Cup win
  • MLS Cup loss
  • Playoff series win (I don't plan on including the one-game knockout)
  • Playoff berth
  • Supporters Shield
  • Conference title
Anything else? I use winning regular seasons for my other leagues but I don't know if that considered a relevant stat for MLS given how important draws are.
Click to expand...
US Open Cup results

 
Jaysus said:
Autumn Wind said:
MLS talk to follow, so if you can skip now if you don't care...

So every year I run sports franchise rankings on my site, wherein I evaluate all teams on a set of criteria that I feel is broader and more inclusive than just championships (although they are a big factor). My recent ones for the NBA and NFL describe the criteria I use respectively. Basically the idea is to reward teams that are good but maybe not great, and to even out the rankings of teams that have a handful of titles but a ton of lousy regular seasons.

I plan on publishing just such a list for MLS before the next season starts, and I need some help picking criteria. Here's what I have for point-scoring categories so far:

  • MLS Cup win
  • MLS Cup loss
  • Playoff series win (I don't plan on including the one-game knockout)
  • Playoff berth
  • Supporters Shield
  • Conference title
Anything else? I use winning regular seasons for my other leagues but I don't know if that considered a relevant stat for MLS given how important draws are.
Click to expand...
US Open Cup results
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If I were just trying to quantify how "good" a team has been over a given stretch of years, I'd probably only account for points earned in league play and goal differential in league play.

But of course, that's a distinct question from how much success a team has had. Because of the playoff format, I think the second question is a lot more dependent on luck and timing than the first question.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Jaysus said:
Autumn Wind said:
MLS talk to follow, so if you can skip now if you don't care...

So every year I run sports franchise rankings on my site, wherein I evaluate all teams on a set of criteria that I feel is broader and more inclusive than just championships (although they are a big factor). My recent ones for the NBA and NFL describe the criteria I use respectively. Basically the idea is to reward teams that are good but maybe not great, and to even out the rankings of teams that have a handful of titles but a ton of lousy regular seasons.

I plan on publishing just such a list for MLS before the next season starts, and I need some help picking criteria. Here's what I have for point-scoring categories so far:

  • MLS Cup win
  • MLS Cup loss
  • Playoff series win (I don't plan on including the one-game knockout)
  • Playoff berth
  • Supporters Shield
  • Conference title
Anything else? I use winning regular seasons for my other leagues but I don't know if that considered a relevant stat for MLS given how important draws are.
Click to expand...
US Open Cup results
Click to expand...
If I were just trying to quantify how "good" a team has been over a given stretch of years, I'd probably only account for points earned in league play and goal differential in league play.

But of course, that's a distinct question from how much success a team has had. Because of the playoff format, I think the second question is a lot more dependent on luck and timing than the first question.
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Coming in here to post exactly that.

Playoffs don't reflect "best" imo, but show a team that get's hot and does enough during the playoffs. But I'm less trophy oriented than most.

 
Slapdash said:
CletiusMaximus said:
El Floppo said:
River v Boca is my favorite derby.

Always nuts- fans go ape####, and the players are up to all kinds of hijinx, including some occasionally great soccer.

I feel with the recent mega-globalization in the big leagues, the rivalries have taken a hit as players treat eachother with a bit more respect and a bit less heart-on-the-sleeve loyalty to their club. Not so much in Argentina.
Click to expand...
Is this game televised in the US? I'm sure Andy could/would answer if he were still with us.
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I know GolTv used to have those rights, not sure anymore.
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FSC and/or ESPN Deportes also used to show this... I'm sure it'll stream somewhere.

 
Autumn Wind said:
MLS talk to follow, so if you can skip now if you don't care...

So every year I run sports franchise rankings on my site, wherein I evaluate all teams on a set of criteria that I feel is broader and more inclusive than just championships (although they are a big factor). My recent ones for the NBA and NFL describe the criteria I use respectively. Basically the idea is to reward teams that are good but maybe not great, and to even out the rankings of teams that have a handful of titles but a ton of lousy regular seasons.

I plan on publishing just such a list for MLS before the next season starts, and I need some help picking criteria. Here's what I have for point-scoring categories so far:

  • MLS Cup win
  • MLS Cup loss
  • Playoff series win (I don't plan on including the one-game knockout)
  • Playoff berth
  • Supporters Shield
  • Conference title
Anything else? I use winning regular seasons for my other leagues but I don't know if that considered a relevant stat for MLS given how important draws are.
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If there was ever an Andy bat signal, this post is it.

 
Rio suspended 3 games for calling someone a "sket" on twitter. Joey Barton is still hurt I assume, so a much less interesting West London derby tomorrow.

 
El Floppo said:
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Jaysus said:
Autumn Wind said:
MLS talk to follow, so if you can skip now if you don't care...

So every year I run sports franchise rankings on my site, wherein I evaluate all teams on a set of criteria that I feel is broader and more inclusive than just championships (although they are a big factor). My recent ones for the NBA and NFL describe the criteria I use respectively. Basically the idea is to reward teams that are good but maybe not great, and to even out the rankings of teams that have a handful of titles but a ton of lousy regular seasons.

I plan on publishing just such a list for MLS before the next season starts, and I need some help picking criteria. Here's what I have for point-scoring categories so far:

  • MLS Cup win
  • MLS Cup loss
  • Playoff series win (I don't plan on including the one-game knockout)
  • Playoff berth
  • Supporters Shield
  • Conference title
Anything else? I use winning regular seasons for my other leagues but I don't know if that considered a relevant stat for MLS given how important draws are.
Click to expand...
US Open Cup results
Click to expand...
If I were just trying to quantify how "good" a team has been over a given stretch of years, I'd probably only account for points earned in league play and goal differential in league play.

But of course, that's a distinct question from how much success a team has had. Because of the playoff format, I think the second question is a lot more dependent on luck and timing than the first question.
Click to expand...
Coming in here to post exactly that.

Playoffs don't reflect "best" imo, but show a team that get's hot and does enough during the playoffs. But I'm less trophy oriented than most.
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Don't think I was clear in my thoughts there...

Points and goal-differential primarily, but also follow up with Cup results (MLS, US Open, CCL, etc).

 
El Floppo said:
Slapdash said:
CletiusMaximus said:
El Floppo said:
River v Boca is my favorite derby.

Always nuts- fans go ape####, and the players are up to all kinds of hijinx, including some occasionally great soccer.

I feel with the recent mega-globalization in the big leagues, the rivalries have taken a hit as players treat eachother with a bit more respect and a bit less heart-on-the-sleeve loyalty to their club. Not so much in Argentina.
Click to expand...
Is this game televised in the US? I'm sure Andy could/would answer if he were still with us.
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I know GolTv used to have those rights, not sure anymore.
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FSC and/or ESPN Deportes also used to show this... I'm sure it'll stream somewhere.
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The SoccerOnTV email doesn't show that it's on - there's a freaking game from Uruguay but not this one.

 
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