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I don't know what to tell you- Pablo was going at the ref all game and obviously said something stupid. It's crap to get tossed like that, yes- but IMO understandable given the sheer amount of jawing. That said, the ref seemed to have a hard-on for Pablo from the get-go, seeming to call any and everything against him from the opening whistle... or at least that's what it looked like from the stands.
Ah... gotcha, sorry. We left before Sasha got a chance to do much of anything (around the 80 min mark), but he's way too up and down for me as a player.but at this point, I guess US needs to take whoever they can get.
I agree with everything you wrote here, Andy. Not sure about Ching... but EJ- seeing him live showed me the problem: on top of having hit or miss skills, he has zero soccer instincts off the ball.
Gomez was a little unlucky but activ and Podolski showed what he can do when he gets a chance to play. Schweinsteiger strugled a bit once he entered the game but recovered.
Any word on much Van Persie will play? They need RVP more than ever with Robben out.
Good to hear Adebayor and Fabregas aren't going anywhere.I wonder what English clubs are after Eto'o.
Sam's Army has at least two chants they use throughout the game... "hey... USA. USA-USA-USAAAAA" seems to be their favorite.Had meant to mention... an hour before the game in the stadium, the US and Argentine fan areas had filled up (opposite the field from each other, behind each goal) and were duking it out with singing and chanting. Argentina had the size, more varied songs and more imporatanly drums. But the US fans (Sam's Army) were fantastic. I've seen a couple of US games, and nothing has come close to this one for the intensity of fan support from our fans.
if you taped the game, watch these last 10 minutes. Some incredible excitement as the US continued to attack coming forward. Freddy put on a show or two and one counter attack should have seen the US finish the game off.
Chelsea for one, according to the rumor mongers. Also read that City has given Hughes a boatload to play with and they are now in the running for Ronadihno and possibly Eto'o.
the game started much later than normal due to the showing of the Keller mini ceremony. I extended my DVR by 1 hour so I was able to catch it all.My DVR cut the game of in the 82nd minute.
He might substitute. This is our starting 11:Van der Sar; Boulahrouz, Mathijsen, Ooijer, Van Bronckhorst; De Jong, Engelaar; Kuyt, Sneijder, Van der Vaart; Van Nistelrooy. Keep an eye on Engelaar. He'll be our revelation of the tournament.Sebowski said:
what's up with Heitinga?
I know soccer people track transfer fees for the scoreboard of determining the worlds most expensive player but not as much score boarding in terms of pure salary.Would this offer to Ro be one of the highest ever for a salary? $400k over 52 weeks breaks the $20M a year mark...Maybe its not given for the full 52 weeks?
Exactly!
Had him on my fantasy squad. Whoops.
I'm not real high on France, but just note that Romania is a great side that should not be overlooked. They won their qualification group including a win and a draw against Holland (who finished second in the group). This is truely the group of death and I think a good example of why the Europeans generally consider this tournament to be more challenging than the World Cup - there are essentially no poor teams (other than an occaisionally weak host-qualifier like Austria and Switzerland this year).
ah yes, I remember this song from the time I lived in Holland"Laat de leeuw niet in zijn hempie staan!!"crazy dutch ...Before I leave to watch the game....HUP HOLLAND HUP!!!!!!!!!!!
thought i read somewhere (and possible in this thread) that a defender off the end line would still hold a guy onside. Defenders cant take themselves out of a play like the forward can so the italian lying behind the goal after getting hammered would count as a 2nd defender and Ruud isnt off.But i could be wrongETA that i know the defender was thrown there by the keeper and didnt take himself out.
88th minute, announcers just said they got clarification and that the italian behind the goal is considered in play and held ruud onside. goal is good.
It'll still be spun as a massive conspiracy in the Italian papers tomorrow morning. They won't have as much of a leg to stand on down 3-0 but still...
There is some debate on ESPN right now. Apparently the rule is if he is deliberately there on the sideline on his own. So the debate is what does "deliberate" mean.
Yeah...Tommy Smyth is basically saying since the ref didn't think he was injured that he was deliberately off the field of play. Since neither the AR or ref called thee offsides its pretty obvious they think the same thing too.
Perfect Nederlands. Leuk om te zien op een Americaans messageboard....!Obviously, Italy wasn't their best, but still... 3-0....Awesome.ah yes, I remember this song from the time I lived in Holland"Laat de leeuw niet in zijn hempie staan!!"crazy dutch ...Before I leave to watch the game....HUP HOLLAND HUP!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe the rules were different for my era... but I was taught to obviously take yourself out of the play when you're caught in the offsides position. Not run out of bounds, but just run back to being ON-sides, making no effort or attempt to move towards the ball or play. IIRC, you had to be a part of the play-either directly, or indirectly to be off-sides... no? I'd go as far as holding my hands up (ala paintball, when you've been "killed" already) when I ran back. Seems to me, that's what I see the pros do as well (not the upheld hand thing). Gotta say- never seen anybody go out of bounds the way you're describing.Never once got booked for it and used it often, esp when the clear was poor and the ball came back quick.Scenario, make a run down the field, cross the ball, no one there. def starts to push out and you are stuck near the endline and the ball comes back, step off and let the play go until a good clear. then hustle back up field to get back onside. Never once called for a foul a booking, etc. It was taught and was a generally good practice. And I have seen it in the EPL.Any player that deliberately steps off the field of play to influence the game in any way (e.g., to create or avoid an offside call) is committing an foul that is punishable by a booking. So in the example you give, you could be given a yellow for doing that. If a defender did that intentionally, the play would not be offside, the ref would let the play continue, and the defender who left the field would be booked after the play had run its course. As for yesterday, Carragher was off the pitch because of his pursuit of an Arsenal player, so he wasn't commiting a foul. However, for the purposes of offside, he is considered to be on the endline nearest to where he is located off the pitch. Therefore, Bendtner was not offside, and if he hadn't had been such a klutz, Arsenal would have scored and won the match. Oh, and Wenger is a whiny little #####. They win that game if they finish their chances. He should complain less to a microphone and more to his strikers.as a striker growing up, i was always taught that if you find yourself near the endline and the play is coming back to you, step off the field to avoid being in the play for offside. Then once its cleared hustle to get back onside. Dont see why it wouldnt be the same for the defense. Although a player is not offside if he is not in the play, so i guess thats your difference?The difference about the play today is that Carragher did not step off the field intentionally. He was carried off the field by his momentum as he was trying to make a play on the ball.Did not see the play but the advice to referees for USSF is the same as FIFA and UEFA rules. A defender stepping off the field of play must still be considered when determining the second to last defender. As well he could be cautioned for unsporting behavior.Can't find a reference to this in the FIFA rules, but here's what the USSF's Advice to refs has to say about this:
According to USSF rules, offside was the wrong call. Not sure what UEFA or FIFA has to say. Oh, andfor Liverpool grabbing an away goal.
Not saying i am right or that the refs are wrong or the rule is false or anything. Just pointing out that I have never seen it called that way in my years playing or watching....Wish I had seen the Carrack play, so I know more what you're alking about.
When I was 18 or so, at some point in an attmept at goal, I ended up actually IN the goal. Instead of waiting for the play to finish, I stupidly tried to get immediately out and back onto the field. I had to duck to avoid getting hit by a team-mate's rocket of a shot off the rebound from my initial attempt. The goal got called back because I was offsides, having just crossed back over the goal-line into play.
My DVR cut the game of in the 82nd minute.
.... dammit.
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