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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
The Chinese Super League is changing the foreign player rules
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The transfer plans of Chinese Super League clubs have been thrown into disarray less than two months before the start of the new season after media reports claimed the Chinese Football Association (CFA) is about to reduce the number of foreign players teams can field in each match.
Chinese media have reported that the CFA will allow only three foreigners to play in any Chinese Super League game, although clubs will still be allowed to have five non-Chinese players on their books.
The move -- which has yet to be officially announced but is being widely reported -- would see the end of the existing ruling, which allows Chinese clubs to field four foreign players in each game, with one of the slots taken by a player from another Asian nation. They can also have a fifth foreigner on the bench.
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The transfer plans of Chinese Super League clubs have been thrown into disarray less than two months before the start of the new season after media reports claimed the Chinese Football Association (CFA) is about to reduce the number of foreign players teams can field in each match.
Chinese media have reported that the CFA will allow only three foreigners to play in any Chinese Super League game, although clubs will still be allowed to have five non-Chinese players on their books.
The move -- which has yet to be officially announced but is being widely reported -- would see the end of the existing ruling, which allows Chinese clubs to field four foreign players in each game, with one of the slots taken by a player from another Asian nation. They can also have a fifth foreigner on the bench.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
CIES has updated their player valuations. Its all massive speculation of course, but I've found their estimates to be better than Transfermarkt in recent windows. Their post today shows the top 100. Neymar has passed Messi by quite a bit. Barca have 3 of the top 5.
Highest valued by position:
Highest valued by position:
http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2016/172/en/
The Z Machine
Footballguy
It all comes down to age on those valuations.
Native
Footballguy
Diego Costa: Chelsea striker trains alone amid reported China interest
What on earth is going on? So this is really a thing....
What on earth is going on? So this is really a thing....
Sebowski
Footballguy
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Age seems to be a huge issue, but they supposedly use many different inputs. Here's their discussion of the valuation process, for what its worth --> http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/mr/mr16/en/
I've been reading Transfermarkt for many years, but their player valuations are almost always very low. Meaning, when an actual transfer is confirmed, the Transfermarkt valuation is almost always much lower than the reported fee, sometimes less than half.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
Spurs has more young talent than any other team in the world. I suspect that's at least in part because they believe in actually playing and developing them.
Spurs and Pochettino are a match made in heaven right now.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I don't know what's going on with Costa, but of course he didn't train with the team today since the healthy players don't train on Mondays. They return to training tomorrow. The headline is misleading. The Occam's Razor explanation for this Costa stuff is what the manager and other players are all saying - he hurt his back, will be evaluated this week and return when ready.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
The delta between Pulisic (an 18 year old who is obviously a big talent but not on the list) and Ousmane Dembele (a 19 year old who may be a generational talent who is valued at 71 million euros) is interesting to me. I do think Dembele is better than Pulisic. I think Dembele may be world player of the year some day. But I'm not sure I can account for the difference in valuation.
shader
Footballguy
You'll find out in the summer when LFC buy Pulisic and Barcelona buys Dembele
shader
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Don't think Barca will be buying. They have to pony up for a new contract for Messi. Will likely be selling Rakitic, at least. I also just don't see them investing in depth in their strengths when they have relative holes to fill in the Starting XI.
Wasn't contract part of the valuation - and potential suitors if memory serves. I can't find much on wages, but FM17 has their weekly wages as £49K and £4k per week respectively. I imagine Pulisic might be on higher wages if he has re-negotiated recently
but still well short of Dembele. I think Dembele has been linked to RM - Pulisic loosely linked to Liverpool. I think those two factors alone drive most of the valuation difference.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Dembele has also already fetched a 15 million euro transfer fee. Which would presumably affect the valuation, I guess. So maybe it's not so inexplicableWasn't contract part of the valuation - and potential suitors if memory serves. I can't find much on wages, but FM17 has their weekly wages as £49K and £4k per week respectively. I imagine Pulisic might be on higher wages if he has re-negotiated recently
I think those two factors alone drive most of the valuation difference.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
It seems like a mistake, but who knows? I expect Dembele has a longer contract, which may push his value up a bit. There may also just be some anti-American bias, since so few US field players have had success in the Big 5. Its a crapshoot though, an estimate without a ton of correlation to reality.
The Gator
Footballguy
WANT
Emre isn't progressing quickly enough. Looses the ball too much in bad spots and tries to do too much, ala Pogba. Can is better defensively, but Rakitic puts the midfield on a new level.
Yeah - and looking over the list Dembele and Renato Sanches - also a big transfer already - are the two youngest on the list.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't really rate Can. I can't say he hasn't gotten better at Liverpool. But he hasn't improved as much as I'd expect and I think he's still a significant step down from peer CMs for top teams. He's also kind of a tweener. Not really a great 6, but more of an 8 with some good defensive qualities. Kind of a chunky Gareth Barry without the experience reading the game.
shader
Footballguy
Im with you. I'm not impressed with Can's passing. Which is kind of important for his position.
The Gator
Footballguy
Spot on
We've talked about his slow first step before and I thought his reading of the game would help that. He's just not there yet and Liverpool can't challenge for the title with a key MF spot learning that much still.
He still flashes at times, so that gives me hope, but Liverpool need a 90min guy that can read the game better.
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I realize its hardly an original insight this year, but I continue to be amazed at how many top managers come in and fail to rate Michael Carrick. I'm a total tactical naïf, but I've always thought Carrick was great player. And Sir Alex, who seemed to know a thing or two, obviously rated him.
But England managers and LVG and Mourinho would come in and try to play other guys when Man U has always been better with him. And it's not as if his skill set is subtle. You'd think "best English passer this side of Paul Scholes" would draw some attention.
But England managers and LVG and Mourinho would come in and try to play other guys when Man U has always been better with him. And it's not as if his skill set is subtle. You'd think "best English passer this side of Paul Scholes" would draw some attention.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
This is what I think when I watch him, or try to slot him into imaginary lineups -- what's his best position supposed to be?
He also gives the ball away cheaply in bad spots a few times a game. He's the player in the front six I'd like to see get a big upgrade.
The Gator
Footballguy
He's one of my "favorite" United players. Was happy to see him go off for Rooney....he and Herrra are a really good double pivot behind Miki and Pogba.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I spent years debating Carrick on the old ESPNSoccernet forums - I was actually at different times a proponent and a critic. He's had some poor years but the thing that really hurt him during SAF's last few years was 1. Scholes still being preferred and 2. SAF's refusal to buy a decent midfielder. He was having to play with Anderson, Cleverly, Gibson, old Scholes, Fletcher, old Giggs. His talent has really been on display this season with Pogba, Herrera and Mata in front of him. He's won a ton of trophies and has been a really good player for a long time. He's a homeless man's Xavi Alonso.
shader
Footballguy
I think Can isn't in Klopp's ideal XI any longer, but we haven't had that ideal XI healthy for awhile now.
Henderson - Wijnaldum - Lallana is the ideal midfield trio with Coutinho, Mane and Firmino up front.
But whenever anyone of those three is out, Can is the first man up. I agree he could be upgraded, and hope that happens next season. The Klopp system is so fluid and beautiful when it's working, but it seems like Can is a square peg that jams the whole thing up.
He is young and hopefully he can improve as well, but I don't think he's anywhere near the starting XI of any of the other 5 contending teams.
shader
Footballguy
I felt like the Rooney switch was a gimmick to try and get him his record-breaking goal in a big moment. Rooney did nothing to help the team with his entrance.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Agree so completely. I think they were also trying to go more 4-4-2 but either Mata or Rashford would have been such a better option.
B Maverick
Footballguy
That is such an awesome comment.
I guess composure on the ball, excellent positioning, pinpoint passing and the ability to break open a def with a perfect pass isn't flashy enough for a lot of people. It will be interesting to see if Herrera can grow into that spot or if they need to bring someone in. Need to know soon if Herrera can play that role, if so it could be fun to see Mata in next to Pogba. Rashford as the heir to Ibra.... Lots to love in the near future.
shader
Footballguy
That is such an awesome comment.
I guess composure on the ball, excellent positioning, pinpoint passing and the ability to break open a def with a perfect pass isn't flashy enough for a lot of people. It will be interesting to see ifcan grow into that spot or if they need to bring someone in. Need to know soon if
B Maverick
Footballguy
The Gator
Footballguy
Top Six v. Top Six Table
Liverpool 3-3-0 12pts
Chelsea 3-0-3 9pts
Spurs 2-2-2 8pts
United 1-3-2 6pts
City 2-0-3 6pts
Arsenal 1-2-2 5pts
Thanks, burnleymouth games
Liverpool have played Untied x 2, Chelsea away, Arsenal away and Spurs away
Home games against the top, plus a trip to the Emptyhad as the only away game left
Liverpool 3-3-0 12pts
Chelsea 3-0-3 9pts
Spurs 2-2-2 8pts
United 1-3-2 6pts
City 2-0-3 6pts
Arsenal 1-2-2 5pts
Thanks, burnleymouth games
Liverpool have played Untied x 2, Chelsea away, Arsenal away and Spurs away
Home games against the top, plus a trip to the Emptyhad as the only away game left
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Big move by the Fire. NY must have something planned to replace Dax.
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The Chicago Fire have a made a huge move to shore up the midfield in its quest to get out of the basement of Major League Soccer.
The Fire have traded $400,000 in general allocation money, split over the next two seasons, in order to bring in the New York Red Bulls’ captain, according to a league source with knowledge of the deal. The move immediately boosts a Chicago midfield that already added former LA Galaxy midfielder Juninho via loan this season.
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The Chicago Fire have a made a huge move to shore up the midfield in its quest to get out of the basement of Major League Soccer.
The Fire have traded $400,000 in general allocation money, split over the next two seasons, in order to bring in the New York Red Bulls’ captain, according to a league source with knowledge of the deal. The move immediately boosts a Chicago midfield that already added former LA Galaxy midfielder Juninho via loan this season.
This just feels like those guys in fantasy football who keep trading their rookie picks for aging stars. And, yes. I use that term losely.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Dax is 29. Juninho is 28. They are two of the very best MLS CMs in the recent years. And they're far cheaper, combined, than the rumored Bastian Schweinsteiger. Dax essentially cost them the #3 pick in the Super Draft and $150,000 in GAM. They've already signed a DP striker who was very productive in Poland and they have Accam on the wing with plenty of GAM, TAM, and DP space available to shore up the backline. I'd expect them to be much, much improved.
El Floppo
Footballguy
The metro bulls did pretty well without Dax last season when he was hurt... Probably have them confidence to make this move. But yeah- I'm hoping somebody's in the pipeline to replace him, because they looked better with him. Definitely a team shape glue type of player who helps the defensive and MF lines look and play better around him on both sides of the ball.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Watched "becoming zlatan". Covers from Malmo to Ajax to Juve. Considering the subject, disappointingly boring if you're waiting for the zlatamisms like I was. But I guess worth it to see the guy as a kid (17) transitioning to stardom through the leagues.
At one point he's sitting in the locker room with a Malmo teammate daydreaming where they'd like to play. Both agree on Italy (Sweden's top player was there at the time). Teammate wonders, what about England? 17yo the zlat without hesitation says no... English football is crap. Then gives the camera a big grin.
At one point he's sitting in the locker room with a Malmo teammate daydreaming where they'd like to play. Both agree on Italy (Sweden's top player was there at the time). Teammate wonders, what about England? 17yo the zlat without hesitation says no... English football is crap. Then gives the camera a big grin.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Think they played Sean Davis last year and they have Tyler Adams ready to break through as a home grown. Word is that the Chicago locker room was a dumpster fire last year. Dax will help that.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Yeah... That was a telling quote out of Chicago regarding Daxs influence in the locker room.
Jaysus
Good times!
That didn't happen yet, did it? I didn't think my Drogba Legend boner could get any bigger.
Ned
Footballguy
Funny I noticed that on Netflix as me and the kids were searching for the Pele movie.
FA is considering retroactive bans for diving/feigning injury. 
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38650163
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38650163
