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I see his Ruuds name and I always think of this.

Amd I remember watching that live and wondering wtf the Arse players were on about then when Viera kicked out at Ruud, who instinctively jumped backwards (and especially later when he missed his PK and they all bum rushed him). These days, somebody in Ruuds spot would've thrown themselves to the floor and rolled around in agony.
 
I never really liked Ruud until then... That was a LOT of restraint when being victimized over nothing.
How can you not like RUUD?? One of the great pure goalscorers ever
Lol... No idea. Just never liked his style I think. Loved Henry. Funny to see CR7 there too.
He was definitely a different style player then Henry. I get maybe liking one style over the other.

As someone who has played striker his whole life, I can't help but love any pure goal scorer, esp one for United ( :boxing: )
 
Seems odd for Ruud and Hake to leave head coaching jobs in the Eredivisie to be assistants to ETH in England but maybe that guy just has some magical charisma.
 
Tom Bogert
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@tombogert

Atlanta United's outbound transfer moves this summer:

- Thiago Almada to Botafogo: $21m + $9m add-ons

- Giorgos Giakoumakis to Cruz Azul: $10m

- Caleb Wiley to Chelsea: $11m

- Ezequiel Barco: $3m (sell on fee)

$44m guaranteed. Up to $53m in add-ons.

Has to be an MLS team record for one window.

I’ll have a record transfers license plate made since that’s all the **** we can do at the moment.
 
This is probably never going to happen in my lifetime I fear but this is step 1 in a multi step process. Many steps to go

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Bill Speros
@billsperos

BREAKING: The economic investment bill that could lead the way for a @NERevolution stadium in Everett has PASSED the state senate by a 40-0 vote

Stadium provision heads for a conference with the House, which did not approve it earlier this year.

Session ends July 31
 
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Just saw this posted in an international Bayern fan group I belong to:
”The DFL is exploring the possibility of allowing fans to set off pyrotechnics in Bundesliga stadiums under certain conditions

• People who are allowed to set off pyrotechnics must be over 18 years old, sober and identifiable
• Only certified pyrotechnics are permitted, and may only be set off in a maximum of two marked areas near the ultras
• A minimum distance of one meter from other fans must be maintained when using flares
• Adequate fire extinguishing equipment must be available
• Clubs must sanction violations in accordance with a set of rules

The management of the DFL is in contact with the Norwegian football league as the Norwegian authorities have granted an exemption for a two-year pilot project to set off pyrotechnics in the stadiums of the first and second division teams under these conditions”.
 
ESPN lost EFL and Carabao cup to CBS - from the Athletic:

“The Athletic can reveal CBS will air at least 250 EFL matches per season across the Championship, League One, League Two, Carabao Cup and EFL Trophy, starting when the new season begins next month and running through until the end of the 2027-28 campaign.

“CBS has committed to broadcast a minimum of 155 matches from the second-tier Championship, at least 38 fixtures across Leagues One and League Two, the third and fourth divisions, all of the end-of-season promotion play-off games and a minimum of 30 ties in the Carabao Cup, English football’s No 2 knockout tournament after the FA Cup.

“EFL and Carabao Cup matches will air on Paramount+, with select matches apppearing on CBS Sports Network and CBS Sports Golazo.”
 
Paramount+ was already a "must have" for soccer enthusiasts - with Champions/Europa League, Serie A, etc.

ETA - I suppose it remains to be seen how many of the Cup games will be aired - say once they get to the 3rd round and going forward.
 
Paramount+ didn't renew Brazil Serie A which was a major bummer, but they have quite a bit of soccer still, and between them and ESPN+ can usually get my fill on the weekend.

United doing some pretty good business here. Actually got a few bucks for Greenwood who would never play again, found a sucker for Donny vdB to get that salary off the books. Looks like Casemiro is being showcased for some Saudi club to take that contract, and got the Varane and Martial contracts out.
Brought in Zirzkee who is young and could be a prolific strike partner with Rasmus.
Yoro is a bit of a project still - but if they can poach De Ligt off BM that would be a nice get to sure up CB depth.

Some decisions still need to be made.
Sancho - wth to do with this guy
Ambrabat - barely featured in his time at OT, and it looks like they are poking the tires on Ugarte from PSG who would be a logical replacement
And tbh, i'm not sure if they even want Rashford any more. He gets paid a **** ton and was ungood last year.

PSG has money to burn and I know they are looking at Oshiman, but I bet they'd prefer Rashford. Pure speculations on my part, call it wishful thinking.
 
ESPN lost EFL and Carabao cup to CBS - from the Athletic:

“The Athletic can reveal CBS will air at least 250 EFL matches per season across the Championship, League One, League Two, Carabao Cup and EFL Trophy, starting when the new season begins next month and running through until the end of the 2027-28 campaign.

“CBS has committed to broadcast a minimum of 155 matches from the second-tier Championship, at least 38 fixtures across Leagues One and League Two, the third and fourth divisions, all of the end-of-season promotion play-off games and a minimum of 30 ties in the Carabao Cup, English football’s No 2 knockout tournament after the FA Cup.

“EFL and Carabao Cup matches will air on Paramount+, with select matches apppearing on CBS Sports Network and CBS Sports Golazo.”

ESPN still has the FA Cup? I'd love to cancel my Hulu/Disney/ESPN package, which runs about $115/month with live sports.

Also, is the entire EPL season available with Peacock or would I still need access to regular NBC?

tia fbgs
 
ESPN lost EFL and Carabao cup to CBS - from the Athletic:

“The Athletic can reveal CBS will air at least 250 EFL matches per season across the Championship, League One, League Two, Carabao Cup and EFL Trophy, starting when the new season begins next month and running through until the end of the 2027-28 campaign.

“CBS has committed to broadcast a minimum of 155 matches from the second-tier Championship, at least 38 fixtures across Leagues One and League Two, the third and fourth divisions, all of the end-of-season promotion play-off games and a minimum of 30 ties in the Carabao Cup, English football’s No 2 knockout tournament after the FA Cup.

“EFL and Carabao Cup matches will air on Paramount+, with select matches apppearing on CBS Sports Network and CBS Sports Golazo.”

ESPN still has the FA Cup? I'd love to cancel my Hulu/Disney/ESPN package, which runs about $115/month with live sports.

Also, is the entire EPL season available with Peacock or would I still need access to regular NBC?

tia fbgs
You'll still need NBC/USA, etc. for some games. ESPN also still has FA Cup.
 
ESPN lost EFL and Carabao cup to CBS - from the Athletic:

“The Athletic can reveal CBS will air at least 250 EFL matches per season across the Championship, League One, League Two, Carabao Cup and EFL Trophy, starting when the new season begins next month and running through until the end of the 2027-28 campaign.

“CBS has committed to broadcast a minimum of 155 matches from the second-tier Championship, at least 38 fixtures across Leagues One and League Two, the third and fourth divisions, all of the end-of-season promotion play-off games and a minimum of 30 ties in the Carabao Cup, English football’s No 2 knockout tournament after the FA Cup.

“EFL and Carabao Cup matches will air on Paramount+, with select matches apppearing on CBS Sports Network and CBS Sports Golazo.”

ESPN still has the FA Cup? I'd love to cancel my Hulu/Disney/ESPN package, which runs about $115/month with live sports.

Also, is the entire EPL season available with Peacock or would I still need access to regular NBC?

tia fbgs
You'll still need NBC/USA, etc. for some games. ESPN also still has FA Cup.

I'm tempted to give up on top flight football and just watch Sunderland in the Championship and Wrexham or whichever League One game they're showing each weekend on Paramount+. Could still watch the odd Champions League game here and there.
 
Bundesliga 2 is about the most fun non-top flight division in the world for my money. Championship is 2nd, but the payoff to the premier league is so huge that the games are too tight and there are so many English sides you rarely get major derbies.
ESPN+ shows Eredivise and Danish Superliga games which are usually cracking games as well.
For me, it's Bundesliga, EPL, Bundesliga 2, Serie A, everything else, Bridgertown, Dowton Abbey and then La Liga
 
Paramount+ didn't renew Brazil Serie A which was a major bummer, but they have quite a bit of soccer still, and between them and ESPN+ can usually get my fill on the weekend.

United doing some pretty good business here. Actually got a few bucks for Greenwood who would never play again, found a sucker for Donny vdB to get that salary off the books. Looks like Casemiro is being showcased for some Saudi club to take that contract, and got the Varane and Martial contracts out.
Brought in Zirzkee who is young and could be a prolific strike partner with Rasmus.
Yoro is a bit of a project still - but if they can poach De Ligt off BM that would be a nice get to sure up CB depth.

Some decisions still need to be made.
Sancho - wth to do with this guy
Ambrabat - barely featured in his time at OT, and it looks like they are poking the tires on Ugarte from PSG who would be a logical replacement
And tbh, i'm not sure if they even want Rashford any more. He gets paid a **** ton and was ungood last year.

PSG has money to burn and I know they are looking at Oshiman, but I bet they'd prefer Rashford. Pure speculations on my part, call it wishful thinking.
United is getting some things done early which I like. Would love to get De Ligt in and sell lindelof and Maguire. Was sorry to see Kambwala go, but some decent money from him is fine.
If Sancho can put that crap behind him, lets see what he can do.

IMO, if they can sell Casemiro for the money being talked about in Saudi, sign Ugarte, I would be happy to keep Amrabat on loan or even a small 15m purchase. When he got a run of games at the end, he was what they hoped he'd be.

I would also like to see them cash in on McT (avoid the Lingard mistake).

Also sounds like AWB may be on the move to West Ham.

Rashford.... I have no idea.
 
@CBSSportsGolazo


OFFICIAL: CBS Sports and Serie A have renewed its media rights in the U.S. in a multi-year agreement. All 380 Serie A matches, at least 25 Coppa Italia matches and every Supercoppa Italiana match all on @paramountplus
 
Youtube TV (majors, FS1, FS2, Spanish language, etc) + ESPN+ + Peacock + Paramount is essentially unlimited soccer for around $100/month (and you get all the other content too). 25 year old me still can't believe this is possible.
 
Championship is 2nd, but the payoff to the premier league is so huge that the games are too tight and there are so many English sides you rarely get major derbies.

What? This season you've got the Blades/Pigs/Dirties Yorkshire trifecta, similar with Blackburn/Burnley/Preston, Luton/Watford, Cardiff/Swansea, probably chuck in Sunderland/Middlesbrough, I mean they're not peak derbies but there's plenty of games between teams that hate each other. Will become even more fun next year if you get a peak relegation trio of Ipswich/Soton/Forest and all of Norwich/Pompey/Derby (and us) are still there

Won't disagree that BL2 is big fun, must look to book a Germany weekend at some point this season as it's far too long since I've done one, although I do want to do a game in Poland first
 
So, one legit way to consider paying for soccer streaming is to get the AMEX Platinum card. Now, the card isn't cheap. It's $695 for the year.

But, when it comes to soccer, here is what you get with it:

1) There's a $240 digital subscription credit. $20/month. It can be used for Disney, Hulu, ESPN (just get the package) as well as Peacock.
2) You get free Walmart+ monthly. That's $12.95/month you get for free. But what Walmart+ also gets you is Paramount+.

If you were to get those 3 subscriptions on your own, even paying for the annual subscription, it's going to cost you $250.

So, if you can make use of the myriad other benefits ($200 Uber Cash, airport lounge access, TSA Pre check/Global Entry, $100 Saks credit, $200 airline credit, and still quite a few others), it may make sense to look at if you are already looking at spending on these subscriptions.
 
Not good news for those of you Man City haters

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Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano

BREAKING: Pep Guardiola has just confirmed that Kevin de Bruyne will NOT sign for Saudi Pro League this summer.“No, Kevin is NOT leaving”, Pep says.
Is that really bad news? He's 33 and slowing down, only got 18 matches last EPL season, 2 in the CL. Constantly subbed in big games.
City has so many players playing better now, I am not sure him staying will do much.
 
Not good news for those of you Man City haters

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Fabrizio Romano
@FabrizioRomano

BREAKING: Pep Guardiola has just confirmed that Kevin de Bruyne will NOT sign for Saudi Pro League this summer.“No, Kevin is NOT leaving”, Pep says.
Is that really bad news? He's 33 and slowing down, only got 18 matches last EPL season, 2 in the CL. Constantly subbed in big games.
City has so many players playing better now, I am not sure him staying will do much.

I agree that he is clearly aging so I guess we will see his effect next season.

But he did not play only 18 matches last year due to his quality, he got hurt and was out on a long rehab. When he came back, I thought he was very good and Man City's results were excellent with him in the lineup.

Once he was fully healthy, he was a huge part of the run in for City last year to win the title. He started the last 8 games of the season of which Man City won all 8, needing all 24 points to secure the championship. He scored 3 goals and had 5 assists over those last 8 games and looked as good as ever to me.
 
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Tom Bogert
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@tombogert

MLS senior VP of sporting development Ali Curtis says MLS is planning to implement the rule that only captains can speak with the referee on the field, as we saw at the Euros this summer:“There’s a lot of momentum to have that rule implemented in MLS. I really like that rule.”
First step... Implement the rule.
2nd step... Ignore the implemented rule.
 
So, one legit way to consider paying for soccer streaming is to get the AMEX Platinum card. Now, the card isn't cheap. It's $695 for the year.

But, when it comes to soccer, here is what you get with it:

1) There's a $240 digital subscription credit. $20/month. It can be used for Disney, Hulu, ESPN (just get the package) as well as Peacock.
2) You get free Walmart+ monthly. That's $12.95/month you get for free. But what Walmart+ also gets you is Paramount+.

If you were to get those 3 subscriptions on your own, even paying for the annual subscription, it's going to cost you $250.

So, if you can make use of the myriad other benefits ($200 Uber Cash, airport lounge access, TSA Pre check/Global Entry, $100 Saks credit, $200 airline credit, and still quite a few others), it may make sense to look at if you are already looking at spending on these subscriptions.

I know time zones are a thing for you guys, especially on the west coast, but I couldn't imagine myself forking out for any sort of TV subscription. If I'm not at the game in question, I'll just go to the pub and watch it, either for free or at the cost of $10-15 if you assume the drinks in question have no inherent value

Season finally starting on Saturday, at least for lower level non league. Home Saturday, home Tuesday, at Stafford on the 3rd, neutral at Hanley (Stoke) on the 10th as our game at Preston has been moved to the Friday, home to Wrexham in the Mickey Mouse on the 13th, maybe neutral at Leeds the day after, first League game for United at home to QPR on the 17th, maybe back to non league down in Stoke again on the Monday, maybe a long trip to Whitby for a first watch of FC United the day after, back to normal non league team away in Ashton (the one near Wigan) in the Vase on the 24th then home on the 26th, then down in London on the 31st likely to watch Bromley before home against Watford the day after. Busy as hell and don't get me started on what I've already paid to make Portsmouth away viable
 
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Tom Bogert
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@tombogert

MLS senior VP of sporting development Ali Curtis says MLS is planning to implement the rule that only captains can speak with the referee on the field, as we saw at the Euros this summer:“There’s a lot of momentum to have that rule implemented in MLS. I really like that rule.”
First step... Implement the rule.
2nd step... Ignore the implemented rule.
First step... Disregard law on the books.
2nd step... Announce Implementation of law already on books.
3rd step... Further Ignore the law.
4th step... Announce you are looking into ways to get more action time in games (like clock stoppages) instead of actually enforcing the laws on the books.

Fixed. And still dying on the keeping the running clock law hill.
 

I know time zones are a thing for you guys, especially on the west coast, but I couldn't imagine myself forking out for any sort of TV subscription. If I'm not at the game in question, I'll just go to the pub and watch it, either for free or at the cost of $10-15 if you assume the drinks in question have no inherent value

It is not as much about time zones as it can be about location. The US is massive in size. Many of us don't live close to a sports bar.

And many sports bars in the US do not cater to soccer audiences and can be hard to find games unless you take what could be a long trip into a big city to find a soccer friendly bar.

When you add up the time, money and aggravation needed to get to a bar that may have the game you want on, it is far easier to have at your fingertips in the comfort of your own home.
 
I know time zones are a thing for you guys, especially on the west coast, but I couldn't imagine myself forking out for any sort of TV subscription.
Well then us west coasters would never be able to watch a game. I'm up at 4:30am some mornings to watch - no pub is catering to that. Very few open for the 6am starts and even fewer of those will put on soccer.
 
Bordeaux have folded . The club informed the FFF that it was renouncing its professional status, obtained in... 1937.

Player contracts will be terminated and the training center closed, in order to reduce financing needs.
Reading around about this story, it seems to me that the team really hasn't been financially viable for a long time. They were owned by a media group that was fine with covering the loss, until they weren't. Sold to this Gerard Lopez clown, and I am sure he takes all the blame, but I am willing to bet that the most recent TV deal is why the takeover fell apart. Week or so ago Ligue 1 finally got a TV deal, for half what they were hoping for. Several French clubs could be facing bankruptcy because of less TV money than they thought.

I went down a rabbit hole after reading about Everton's current mess

The Everton mess is rough, because money won't clear everything up. Everton owner Moshiri, who was just a front for a Russian oligarch, accepted loans from 777 Partners, the Miami-based group that put in the offer, and 777 Partners gave those loans with money borrowed from some equally shady insurance conglomerate.

The hassle is, you cannot buy a team, and get creditors to settle on debt forgiveness, if no one knows who owns the debt.

The debt to 777 was accrued in chunks of £20m-£25m between September 2023 and May of this year, a nine-month fever dream during which Moshiri tried to convince himself and the Premier League that the Miami-based investment firm could afford an asset this precious (narrator: it could not and is now in the hands of insolvency experts, sparking crises at the various airlines, insurance companies and sports teams it owned).

But most of that money, like most of the money 777 invested in all of its other ventures, was somebody else’s money… and that somebody is A-Cap, an insurance group based in New York.

With its future in some doubt, largely thanks to its exposure to 777, A-Cap has taken control of 777’s assets and is trying to recoup as much money as it can. Those loans to Everton are assets and they are currently doing sterling work on A-Cap’s balance sheet at full value.

Nobody buying Everton, however, would want to pay that amount back — not least because 777’s security was junior to MSP’s and is still junior to RMF’s.

But who would a buyer do a deal with? A-Cap, right? If only it was that simple.
To cut a long story short, 777 left quite a trail of disgruntled customers and investment partners. The most disgruntled and frightening of those is Leadenhall Capital Partners, a London-based investment firm that specialises in the insurance industry.

In a blistering lawsuit filed in New York in May, Leadenhall accused 777 and A-Cap of fraud. The central claim is that 777 borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars from Leadenhall secured on assets it had already used as security on other loans, most notably from A-Cap. Known as “double-pledging”, it is like you or I mortgaging our house with multiple banks. And, if that is not serious enough, Leadenhall says 777 also used collateral it did not even own to secure loans.


777 and A-Cap have denied these claims, but the matter is being argued in a district court in New York. A settlement conference — a last chance for the parties to come to a deal — was scheduled for last week. I think we can assume no deal was reached.

So does TFG, or anyone in TFG’s shoes, do a deal with 777, A-Cap, Leadenhall or the court? Whose £200m is it really?

The uncertainty does not stop there, though, as there is a very real possibility that once Leadenhall’s civil case is resolved, the U.S. Department of Justice will file criminal charges.
 
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Tom Bogert
https://x.com/tombogert
@tombogert

MLS senior VP of sporting development Ali Curtis says MLS is planning to implement the rule that only captains can speak with the referee on the field, as we saw at the Euros this summer:“There’s a lot of momentum to have that rule implemented in MLS. I really like that rule.”

I believe the Bundesliga is implementing the rule this season as well.
 
Bordeaux have folded . The club informed the FFF that it was renouncing its professional status, obtained in... 1937.

Player contracts will be terminated and the training center closed, in order to reduce financing needs.
Reading around about this story, it seems to me that the team really hasn't been financially viable for a long time. They were owned by a media group that was fine with covering the loss, until they weren't. Sold to this Gerard Lopez clown, and I am sure he takes all the blame, but I am willing to bet that the most recent TV deal is why the takeover fell apart. Week or so ago Ligue 1 finally got a TV deal, for half what they were hoping for. Several French clubs could be facing bankruptcy because of less TV money than they thought.

I went down a rabbit hole after reading about Everton's current mess

The Everton mess is rough, because money won't clear everything up. Everton owner Moshiri, who was just a front for a Russian oligarch, accepted loans from 777 Partners, the Miami-based group that put in the offer, and 777 Partners gave those loans with money borrowed from some equally shady insurance conglomerate.

The hassle is, you cannot buy a team, and get creditors to settle on debt forgiveness, if no one knows who owns the debt.

The debt to 777 was accrued in chunks of £20m-£25m between September 2023 and May of this year, a nine-month fever dream during which Moshiri tried to convince himself and the Premier League that the Miami-based investment firm could afford an asset this precious (narrator: it could not and is now in the hands of insolvency experts, sparking crises at the various airlines, insurance companies and sports teams it owned).

But most of that money, like most of the money 777 invested in all of its other ventures, was somebody else’s money… and that somebody is A-Cap, an insurance group based in New York.

With its future in some doubt, largely thanks to its exposure to 777, A-Cap has taken control of 777’s assets and is trying to recoup as much money as it can. Those loans to Everton are assets and they are currently doing sterling work on A-Cap’s balance sheet at full value.

Nobody buying Everton, however, would want to pay that amount back — not least because 777’s security was junior to MSP’s and is still junior to RMF’s.

But who would a buyer do a deal with? A-Cap, right? If only it was that simple.
To cut a long story short, 777 left quite a trail of disgruntled customers and investment partners. The most disgruntled and frightening of those is Leadenhall Capital Partners, a London-based investment firm that specialises in the insurance industry.

In a blistering lawsuit filed in New York in May, Leadenhall accused 777 and A-Cap of fraud. The central claim is that 777 borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars from Leadenhall secured on assets it had already used as security on other loans, most notably from A-Cap. Known as “double-pledging”, it is like you or I mortgaging our house with multiple banks. And, if that is not serious enough, Leadenhall says 777 also used collateral it did not even own to secure loans.


777 and A-Cap have denied these claims, but the matter is being argued in a district court in New York. A settlement conference — a last chance for the parties to come to a deal — was scheduled for last week. I think we can assume no deal was reached.

So does TFG, or anyone in TFG’s shoes, do a deal with 777, A-Cap, Leadenhall or the court? Whose £200m is it really?

The uncertainty does not stop there, though, as there is a very real possibility that once Leadenhall’s civil case is resolved, the U.S. Department of Justice will file criminal charges.

Maybe some day @bigbottom can shed some light as his group was reportedly in the mix on Everton until a week or so ago and seemingly pulled out due to the 777 mess.
 

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