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***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (3 Viewers)

ignatiusjreilly said:
Yeah, that still bothers me: There's no way either Gus OR Lalo could have known they'd encounter each other at the lab. In fact, they would have both been likely to assume they'd meet at Gus' safe house. Gus knew that the Kim maneuver was a feint to draw his security away, and Lalo would have assumed that the "house cat" was hiding in his undisclosed location
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I think Gus did expect to find Lalo at the lab. He thought it through and knew that Lalo wouldn't be at Jimmy's place and wouldn't be coming to his house. That really only left one place that Lalo would be diverting security from with the 'assassination' attempt.

 
nysfl2 said:
I think Gus did expect to find Lalo at the lab. He thought it through and knew that Lalo wouldn't be at Jimmy's place and wouldn't be coming to his house. That really only left one place that Lalo would be diverting security from with the 'assassination' attempt.
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Yea.  He didn't expect him to get the drop on his security so effectively though I guess.

 
They're not making this easy to try and predict.  Kudos to the writers.  Main questions in my mind:

1. Obviously what happens to Kim.  I don't think she dies, but still think she can go to prison if Cliff starts poking around Howard's situation.  

2. Something still needs to happen to make Jimmy completely turn into Saul.  The Jimmy as of now and Saul of BB are still two very different characters.  Jimmy still has a conscience, while Saul is pretty much a POS in that regard.

3. Gene changes his mind at the last minute about using vacuum repair guy again.  Assuming he is returning to Albuquerque, what on earth for? The way they've framed this is that he's tired of hiding and is yearning for his life back as Saul.  

My guess is Kim ends up going to jail and Jimmy just loses it and fully embraces the "criminal lawyer" role as a way to get revenge against the system.   The Gus/Mike situation is pretty much resolved and set up for where it began in BB.  Maybe one more meeting with Eladio, but not much else.  

A part of me still thinks Kim could also be alive and well and even still with Jimmy during BB, since the creators have said many times that the end of BCS will make you look at BB differently.  

 
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Also, I think we're going to find out what happens to Kim in the next episode.  One of the writers just said that episode 9 is even more heartbreaking than episode 8.  :shock:    What else could this be other than the fate of Kim/Jimmy's relationship?

 
Scoresman said:
Also, I think we're going to find out what happens to Kim in the next episode.  One of the writers just said that episode 9 is even more heartbreaking than episode 8.  :shock:    What else could this be other than the fate of Kim/Jimmy's relationship?
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Link?

 
Scoresman said:
Also, I think we're going to find out what happens to Kim in the next episode.  One of the writers just said that episode 9 is even more heartbreaking than episode 8.  :shock:    What else could this be other than the fate of Kim/Jimmy's relationship?
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A clip of Jesse getting the report card in high school when Walt flunked him. 

 
Capella said:
If I were Saul, I’d be sending her off hoping she went to the cops. Sure he eats the bullet but he saves his wife. Easy trade. 
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offdee said:
Yep. And they specifically showed her almost taking that option probably to give the audience that moment of “ah that’s why Saul told her to go”
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And not only was Jimmy willing to die to protect Kim, but Kim was willing to actually murder a complete stranger to save Jimmy. 

She could have said something to the cops next to her but didn't, and if Fring had actually opened the door and Mike hadn't stopped her, she was absolutely going to do it.  

 
Scoresman said:
Also, I think we're going to find out what happens to Kim in the next episode.  One of the writers just said that episode 9 is even more heartbreaking than episode 8.  :shock:    What else could this be other than the fate of Kim/Jimmy's relationship?
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Walt returns home from a grocery store run without any Fruity Pebbles for a young Jr., as the store was all out.

A breakfast tragedy.

 
Great episode. The one thing I didnt like was that Lalo sends Kim to kill Gus, but then when Lalo has Gus dead to rights, he doesn't kill him instantly...instead, he makes a video which gives Gus time to think of an escape or worse, and on Gus' turf.

If he wanted Gus dead that badly, I don't think he would have given him any time at all, he would have at least shot him the leg or something to incapacitate him so there was no chance of him turning the tables.

Nitpicking, I know, but it just kind of bothered me, especially since Lalo was such a great character and I didn't want to see him die....yet 

 
Wingnut said:
Great episode. The one thing I didnt like was that Lalo sends Kim to kill Gus, but then when Lalo has Gus dead to rights, he doesn't kill him instantly...instead, he makes a video which gives Gus time to think of an escape or worse, and on Gus' turf.

If he wanted Gus dead that badly, I don't think he would have given him any time at all, he would have at least shot him the leg or something to incapacitate him so there was no chance of him turning the tables.

Nitpicking, I know, but it just kind of bothered me, especially since Lalo was such a great character and I didn't want to see him die....yet 
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He didn't want Gus killed really.  He was trying to get into the laundry to find evidence of what the chicken man was working on, so that he could get Don Eladio to OK killing Gus.  Him showing up was a bonus.

 
I'm probably alone on this but did anyone else think Gus didn't have any bullets in the gun? They cut to him firing the empty gun but I have to admit I didn't see him firing there in the darkness. I was wondering what struck Lalo and thought maybe one of his own bullets hit him on the ricochet. Had to watch the seen a second time to see Gus' gun firing when the lights went out. Thought it was shot a little clunky when things went dark there.

Lalo's laugh right before he dies may have been my favorite moment in the entire series. So perfect.

 
Willie Neslon said:
I'm probably alone on this but did anyone else think Gus didn't have any bullets in the gun? They cut to him firing the empty gun but I have to admit I didn't see him firing there in the darkness. I was wondering what struck Lalo and thought maybe one of his own bullets hit him on the ricochet. Had to watch the seen a second time to see Gus' gun firing when the lights went out. Thought it was shot a little clunky when things went dark there.

Lalo's laugh right before he dies may have been my favorite moment in the entire series. So perfect.
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Yea we had to watch it back. We thought Gus Gun wasn’t loaded 

 
Willie Neslon said:
I'm probably alone on this but did anyone else think Gus didn't have any bullets in the gun? They cut to him firing the empty gun but I have to admit I didn't see him firing there in the darkness. I was wondering what struck Lalo and thought maybe one of his own bullets hit him on the ricochet. Had to watch the seen a second time to see Gus' gun firing when the lights went out. Thought it was shot a little clunky when things went dark there.

Lalo's laugh right before he dies may have been my favorite moment in the entire series. So perfect.
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It was too dark on my TV so I couldn't really see anything, I still don't know how Lalo got shot.  It looked like all of the shots that got fired were from Lalo trying to shoot at Gus running away in the darkness.  Then just a bunch of darkness and somehow Lalo is dead.  I think all the shooting stopped by the time Gus would have even been able to get to his gun. 

Overall, I thought it was a pretty sloppily written episode where writers were just taking the easy way out on a number of things, not up to the normal BB/BCS standards. 

 
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Here's something else I was wondering about: The line at the end where Mike tells Jimmy and Kim that he's going to frame Howard in the exact same way J&K were already doing was absolutely perfect thematically, because it drove home the fact that, morally speaking, they weren't much different from a drug kingpin.

But ... how could Mike have possibly known about their plan? I can't remember him ever being involved in what they were doing, nor was it something that would have made it onto his or Gus' radar. I suppose J&K could have volunteered the info to explain why Howard was there, but I can't see why they would have had to go into that much detail.

Am I forgetting something?

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
Here's something else I was wondering about: The line at the end where Mike tells Jimmy and Kim that he's going to frame Howard in the exact same way J&K were already doing was absolutely perfect thematically, because it drove home the fact that, morally speaking, they weren't much different from a drug kingpin.

But ... how could Mike have possibly known about their plan? I can't remember him ever being involved in what they were doing, nor was it something that would have made it onto his or Gus' radar. I suppose J&K could have volunteered the info to explain why Howard was there, but I can't see why they would have had to go into that much detail.

Am I forgetting something?
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Mike had people watching them once Lalo went missing. He knew what they were up to. 

 
By the way, here's one more mystery we haven't had reason to think about for awhile, but will presumably get resolved in the next couple episodes: What's the deal with the cabbie who made Saul in Omaha?

I suppose it's possible the guy just happened to recognize him, and the scene was meant to highlight the constant state of paranoia that will define Gene's/Saul's existence as long as he's in hiding. But the fact that the guy came back the next day, and the vaguely ominous tone he took, made it seem like there was more going on there.

But who would have the means and motivation to track Saul down? At this point, we know that just about everyone he dealt with who was connected to the cartel in any way -- from Walt/Jessie to Gus/Mike to Lalo/Nacho -- is dead. As is Howard, who might have also been motivated to smoke him out. Maybe Clifford Main? I don't see him going that sort of sneaky route. Besides, whatever issues he has with Jimmy would most likely be resolved in the immediate aftermath of Howard's disappearance, not years later.

I suppose Kim could have hired the guy, but again, if she's going to track him down, I don't see her going for the whole psy-ops thing.

Maybe ... Badger found out Saul suggested having him killed and has been plotting his revenge ever since. That must be it!  :lmao:

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
But who would have the means and motivation to track Saul down?
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Aaron Paul has been confirmed as appearing in the series. 

I wonder if his presence is in the Gene timeline. They finished production last year. Aaron Paul was forty-two years old in 2021.

That might be stretching credibility to have him on screen as a recent high school dropout. 

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Aaron Paul has been confirmed as appearing in the series. 

I wonder if his presence is in the Gene timeline. They finished production last year. Aaron Paul was forty-two years old in 2021.

That might be stretching credibility to have him on screen as a recent high school dropout. 
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It's possible (and just realized I mistakenly said in my previous post that Jesse was dead). But Jesse barely had enough money to pay the vacuum cleaner salesman and escape to Alaska; can't imagine how he would even make it to Omaha, much less why he'd have the motivation to do so. 

I also suspect Walt and Jesse's cameos will be exactly that; it will probably be something brief that forces us to re-examine a scene from Breaking Bad. It just seems hard to imagine they'll play a major role in the resolution of the BCS narrative

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
Yo Mama said:
Mike had people watching them once Lalo went missing. He knew what they were up to. 
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Oh right, I totally spaced on that
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I had, too, for a moment.  :bag:    Great discussion in here*; I always get so much more out of the show after I read the thread.  :thumbup:  

*Other than not understanding why Jimmy sent Kim in his place, which is only slightly less befuddling to me than not knowing this was a prequel.

 
Jesse would have no reason to come back and go after Jimmy/Gene. 

Walt could very well have pissed at him for bailing on him in the basement of the disappearer and sent someone after him even in the event of his death, similar to what he threatened Gretchen and Elliot with.  Probably a longshot, but never know. 

 
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Skipdog77 said:
And not only was Jimmy willing to die to protect Kim, but Kim was willing to actually murder a complete stranger to save Jimmy. 

She could have said something to the cops next to her but didn't, and if Fring had actually opened the door and Mike hadn't stopped her, she was absolutely going to do it.  
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You were meant for me, and I, was meant for yooouuuuuuuuu Kim!!! 

 
CGRdrJoe said:
for a good drama in this wake i’d check out under the banner of heaven on hulu, it’s good ####
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I'm guessing you might not have watched all of it yet?  (Not being snarky; we had some discussion in the streaming thread about how it started off great and then became laughably awful.)

 
krista4 said:
I'm guessing you might not have watched all of it yet?  (Not being snarky; we had some discussion in the streaming thread about how it started off great and then became laughably awful.)
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not to be snarky but i always wonder how people call things laughable awful when it’s based on a true story, like if you liked the state but didn’t like the ending even though it’s based a true story then maybe you should have hated it all? like should it have just changed the subject and forgot about what really happened?

 
CGRdrJoe said:
not to be snarky but i always wonder how people call things laughable awful when it’s based on a true story, like if you liked the state but didn’t like the ending even though it’s based a true story then maybe you should have hated it all? like should it have just changed the subject and forgot about what really happened?
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Have you read the book?  I think we're getting off track here and could discuss in the streaming thread, but much of what was in the series was not "the true story."  Many of these people weren't in the book and were not real, including both of the lead detectives.

Read the comments in the streaming thread if you want to know why we thought it turned bad.  :)  

ETA:  Your "non-snarky" comment seemed awfully so.

 
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Punxsutawney Phil said:
I think Kim goes into the real witness protection program.  I don't see her getting killed and then Jimmy just moving onto a new life at Cinnebon.  
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Witness protection would imply she was a witness against one of the “bad guys” that we all know are still around in BB. More likely the vacuum cleaner guy’s new life. 

 
Yo Mama said:
Witness protection would imply she was a witness against one of the “bad guys” that we all know are still around in BB. More likely the vacuum cleaner guy’s new life. 
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Yea we know none of them are going through a trial and in fact everybody in the city thinks the world of Gus, so witness protection is out. Even if he were in a trial we would have known about it. He’s a church mouse when we are first introduced to him. 
 

Killing Kim doesn’t make sense now either. Why would Gus do that - she knows too much? She doesn’t really know anything at all, and besides Saul wouldn’t associate with him and recommend him to Walt later on. I guess Saul doesn’t really ever know Gus but he knows Mike. So that’s out.
 

I really think she has a crisis of conscience and leaves somehow. 

 
CGRdrJoe said:
true, but let’s face it that story is closer to fact than better call saul. they changed the name of the town and the detectives for legal reasons. 
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What??  :lmao:   I guess it's better than Casablanca and Othello, too, but maybe not Richard III.

I'm done with this one, and apologize to the rest of the thread for the diversion.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
He didn't want Gus killed really.  He was trying to get into the laundry to find evidence of what the chicken man was working on, so that he could get Don Eladio to OK killing Gus.  Him showing up was a bonus.
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Right.

Lalo and Gus are both "made" men, and you can't kill a made man, especially within your own cartel, without the Don's permission. Unless you can prove he's holding out on the organization. Lalo needed the video evidence of the lab to prove Gus was holding out on Don Eladio. 

 
krista4 said:
THIS IS NOT A POKE THE EPISODE WITH HOLES FOR FUN AND/OR PROFIT POST.

I’m just trying to figure it out.

Gus knows once he hears Kim say Jimmy “talked him out of” having Jimmy go to kill him that that “hit” was not the target at all, since Lalo didn’t care who went.  So Gus knows Lalo is trying to get to him pull all the security to go to Jimmy.

CHECK.

So why does Gus go out where he’s vulnerable instead of lying low?  A vest doesn’t do it.  Why wouldn’t he send his best men (hi, call Mike) there to take Lalo out instead?  I miss a lot of #### you guys see (though proud to report I knew this was a prequel) so am sincere in the questions.
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Lalo was never planning to kill Gus (although there was always some remote possiblity that it could happen), he was scheming to get the guards out of the laundry so he could get in there and get proof that it exists.

They didn't address it but Gus must have been closer to the laundry than Mike was. If Gus doesn't get there in time, Lalo finds the lab (himself or by forcing the last remaining security guard to show him how to get down there), takes the video proof that it exists, and gets away with sending it to Don Eladio.  That was my thought anyway.

 
It's funny that, with the exception of characters using flip phones, there usually aren't too many reminders from a technological standpoint that this is all taking place in the early Aughts. But in this case the tech limitations of that time turned out to be a major plot point. If the show is set in 2022, Lalo is live-streaming his video on Facebook rather than on a video camera that Gus can easily destroy (OK, not literally, since drug kingpins presumably aren't in the habit of broadcasting their misdeeds. But he certainly could find a way to upload the video to the cloud and get it to Don Eladio regardless of what happens to him.)

 
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