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***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (4 Viewers)

Capella said:
Oh I don’t know about that. I’m guessing Saul lands the plane way better than BB did (which was good, Ozymandias in particular). 
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BB was almost a perfect ending for the characters/show.  It's a top 3-5 show of all-time depending on my mood.  I love BCS, but I don't think it is in the same tier.  This season has been great, but I think all of the time in-between the seasons skews how the overall quality is viewed.  Walter White was just an amazing character.

 
AAABatteries said:
We’ve maybe talked about this but if you could pick one character to do another spinoff which would you pick?

I think Lalo or possibly Gus in South America.  Not sure Mike’s cop days in Philly would be that great although I love the character.
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Gus and Lalo's early days would be great.  Or maybe a flash forward documenting Lyle's rise to dominate the fried chicken business?

 
I don't think that BCS has hit the highs as consistently as BB did. The slow burn style holds it back a bit for me in the comparison. No shame in not being the greatest show of all time though.

 
AAABatteries said:
We’ve maybe talked about this but if you could pick one character to do another spinoff which would you pick?

I think Lalo or possibly Gus in South America.  Not sure Mike’s cop days in Philly would be that great although I love the character.
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Todd prequel where he loses a bunch of weight due to a meth/crack addiction. Falls into a rough crowd fighting the cartel and ending up in prison with the Neo Nazis. Then ends up working at Vamonos Pest while out on parole.

 
Desert_Power said:
Todd prequel where he loses a bunch of weight due to a meth/crack addiction. Falls into a rough crowd fighting the cartel and ending up in prison with the Neo Nazis. Then ends up working at Vamonos Pest while out on parole.
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Ok, I don't really want this one, but it could inspire Jesse Plemons to get the poundage off.

 
AAABatteries said:
We’ve maybe talked about this but if you could pick one character to do another spinoff which would you pick?
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Dr. Caldera Diaries about what lead to his criminal connections, how he was able to stay above them, the tragic loss of his life partner and how that life partner was reincarnated as a top-hat wearing chimpanzee.

 
Wingnut said:
Great episode. The one thing I didnt like was that Lalo sends Kim to kill Gus, but then when Lalo has Gus dead to rights, he doesn't kill him instantly...instead, he makes a video which gives Gus time to think of an escape or worse, and on Gus' turf.

If he wanted Gus dead that badly, I don't think he would have given him any time at all, he would have at least shot him the leg or something to incapacitate him so there was no chance of him turning the tables.

Nitpicking, I know, but it just kind of bothered me, especially since Lalo was such a great character and I didn't want to see him die....yet 
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he needed strong evidence to kill a big earner like Gus. the video would have helped him a lot in that regard.

 
Capella said:
Sure. There is a better call Saul podcast. Gilligan admitted this whole thing was in response to those lines Saul said. I think it’s pretty cool and thorough. 
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Gilligan said they should just ignore those as throwaway lines but Gould and others kept pushing and said they had to create those characters and make the narrative fit where Saul would be terrified of Lalo. 

 
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Scoresman said:
Wow, ok. Updated info per the post episode podcast on Spotify.  Odenkirk's heart attack actually happened during the last episode, not in the upcoming one.  It was during the scene with Lalo in the apartment.  Essentially, the parts where Jimmy and Kim are both on the sofa arguing over who would go was pre heart attack, and once Kim gets up, it's all post heart attack.  The acting in this scene was incredible all around, and now knowing it was split into two, resuming after however long Odenkirk's recovery was makes it even more incredible.  
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also crazy that they all thought Bob was dead and the show was over...only to pick things back up again and get a chance to finish this great show a couple months later.

 
Capella said:
Oh I don’t know about that. I’m guessing Saul lands the plane way better than BB did (which was good, Ozymandias in particular). 
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How can they possibly end BCS better than BB?  Even if we get a decent amount of Gene story I don't see much in it - seems like either Gene dies, Gene and Kim reunite or ambiguous.  None of those seem to be on the level of:

BREAKING BAD SPOILERS AHEAD

  • Hank and Gomez dying
  • Walt returning and freeing Jesse
  • Walt dying
BB was tied up almost perfectly and the scene of Walt dying in a meth lab with Baby Blue playing is about as great an ending as I can possibly think of in TV history.

 
AAABatteries said:
Yeah - I love Saul but don't think it's in the BB tier.  I almost considered bailing during one of the man Chuck episodes.  That story line was drug out way too long.  Last 2 or so seasons of BCS has been BB-like and probably on the same level.  I will say that they are doing a masterful job of creating suspense even when we know the life/death fate of most of the characters.
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I think both are top 3 and can't pick, but certainly don't agree with that. 

BB is amazing. Never would argue against it being the best ever. But BCS is in the same tier. It's the dude that did BB, with more experience and a much higher degree of difficulty. 

I originally gave up in S1, all the Chuck stuff, I hated it. VInce took 3 seasons to start making the show most thought he would. But he made something so damn much better than what most wanted. 

 He had the leeway to make it the slowburn nobody wanted but holy hell I'm so glad he did.  

I can't pick between the 2. But I'm comfortable saying nobody this side of David Simon ever made anything better than either. 

 
As a total aside, the BCS early aught's car game is so on point. Love the cars in this so much.

Early Kim in that Eclipse was absolutely perfect. Only those of us from that era can understand how perfect it was that Kim drove that Eclipse. 

 
Willie Neslon said:
I'm probably alone on this but did anyone else think Gus didn't have any bullets in the gun? They cut to him firing the empty gun but I have to admit I didn't see him firing there in the darkness. I was wondering what struck Lalo and thought maybe one of his own bullets hit him on the ricochet. Had to watch the seen a second time to see Gus' gun firing when the lights went out. Thought it was shot a little clunky when things went dark there.

Lalo's laugh right before he dies may have been my favorite moment in the entire series. So perfect.
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Capella said:
Yea we had to watch it back. We thought Gus Gun wasn’t loaded 
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Capella said:
Yes, I just had to watch it again. You can see it. 
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I had these same thoughts.

I watched this scene 4 or 5 times and it still looks and sounds like Gus was firing an empty gun, didn't see the muzzle flashes from Gus' gun.  Guess I'll go watch it again  :lmao:

 
TheAristocrat said:
I'd like to see a prequel spinoff of Jane's life pre-BB.  More Krysten Ritter wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Okay, but she is over 40 now.  Her playing a early to mid 20s version of herself would look fairly ridiculous.  It's bad enough seeing Mike look like great grandpa playing a younger version of his BB self in BCS, but at least he's not the main character.   And like most of us, Ritter is aging naturally, so she doesn't look 20-something anymore. 

 
A few questions:

1) Why didn't Lalo kill Jimmy before going to the lab (other than plot armor)? 

2) Did Lalo think Gus's security/Mike would shoot whoever showed up at the house with a gun?  If so, see #1

3) Given Lalo always seems to be three steps ahead, why did he let Kim go in Jimmy's place?  Did he predict Jimmy would send Kim to try to save her?  If so, why would he prefer Kim go?  If not, should he have, given that decision ended up getting him killed?

 
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scorchy said:
A few questions:

1) Why didn't Lalo kill Jimmy before going to the lab (other than plot armor)? 

2) Did Lalo think Gus's security/Mike would shoot whoever showed up at the house with a gun?  If so, see #1

3) Given Lalo always seems to be three steps ahead, why did he let Kim go in Jimmy's place?  Did he predict Jimmy would send Kim to try to save her?  If so, why would he prefer Kim go?  If not, should he have, given that decision ended up getting him killed?
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1) Lalo did not know if his ploy to get into the lab would work, so having Jimmy (or Kim if they agreed to his original plan to have Jimmy go kill Gus) alive gives him someone in the future who can be useful. 
2) He didn't care, most likely. 
3) He probably figured they had something in place to stop whoever went from killing Gus, so if that person dies, he still has one lawyer in his back pocket, and he didn't care which one it was, which is why he had no issue going with Jimmy's idea to have Kim go instead. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
1) Lalo did not know if his ploy to get into the lab would work, so having Jimmy (or Kim if they agreed to his original plan to have Jimmy go kill Gus) alive gives him someone in the future who can be useful. 
2) He didn't care, most likely. 
3) He probably figured they had something in place to stop whoever went from killing Gus, so if that person dies, he still has one lawyer in his back pocket, and he didn't care which one it was, which is why he had no issue going with Jimmy's idea to have Kim go instead. 
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Actually, that all makes sense.

 
AAABatteries said:
How can they possibly end BCS better than BB?  Even if we get a decent amount of Gene story I don't see much in it - seems like either Gene dies, Gene and Kim reunite or ambiguous.  None of those seem to be on the level of:

BREAKING BAD SPOILERS AHEAD

  • Hank and Gomez dying
  • Walt returning and freeing Jesse
  • Walt dying
BB was tied up almost perfectly and the scene of Walt dying in a meth lab with Baby Blue playing is about as great an ending as I can possibly think of in TV history.
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You’re not wrong! I just love the way everything in BCS has been so meticulous drawn together. Two great shows, Gilligan and Gould etc are brilliant. 

 
Capella said:
Me. 
 

when do we start discussing the fact that BCS is better than BB?
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Already have.  After season 5 it was still BB by a nose, but BCS was chasing it down. Now BCS is out it front, am I’m not saying that lightly.  If it finishes strong it will hold BB off but BB had one of, if not the greatest finishes ever so BSC has got its work cut out for it.  

 
pollardsvision said:
I think both are top 3 and can't pick, but certainly don't agree with that. 

BB is amazing. Never would argue against it being the best ever. But BCS is in the same tier. It's the dude that did BB, with more experience and a much higher degree of difficulty. 

I originally gave up in S1, all the Chuck stuff, I hated it. VInce took 3 seasons to start making the show most thought he would. But he made something so damn much better than what most wanted. 

 He had the leeway to make it the slowburn nobody wanted but holy hell I'm so glad he did.  

I can't pick between the 2. But I'm comfortable saying nobody this side of David Simon ever made anything better than either. 
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Yeah, I totally agree with this and I never considered giving up on BB.  I don’t know how you can say you almost stopped watching and then it’s as good as BB?  Doesn’t compute for me.

It’s a great show, no doubt - but I think you also have to give BB a bump for introducing basically the 3 best characters in BCS.  In the Universe, and considering everything, who are the top 5 characters?

Walt, Jesse, Gus, Saul and Mike would have to be the consensus I think.

And I’m not crapping on BCS, I love it.  But it’s a tier below for me.

 
One thing I will say about BCS is not only does it stand as a great show by itself, but it seems extremely likely it will improve the way we look at BB. Obviously that’s a bit of projection as we haven’t seen the last 5 episodes yet but from what I’ve read, they will do just that. 
 

Amazing stuff. We’ll never see two shows back to back from one group like this again. 

 
i do remember early in the breaking bad thread that people were ripping on aaron paul and the Jesse character, mainly because of Yo and ##### being said so much. crazy his character arc from start to finish 

 
Capella said:
Hmm that’s tough. You may be right but Kim and Lalo are right there. 
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Agree - Lalo was incredible.  Kim is miles ahead of Skylar and Marie in the actress category.

I don’t think we can overlook how damn slow the burn was in the first two seasons of BCS - I recall tons of posts where people were bored.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Okay, but she is over 40 now.  Her playing a early to mid 20s version of herself would look fairly ridiculous.  It's bad enough seeing Mike look like great grandpa playing a younger version of his BB self in BCS, but at least he's not the main character.   And like most of us, Ritter is aging naturally, so she doesn't look 20-something anymore. 
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While I agree that you are right, why just smash my dreams like that so thoroughly and so quickly?

I should have picked a mid-20's actress that she resembled.  Open for ideas.

 
The next spin-off needs to be a sequel rather than a prequel (to accommodate the actors' ages). Badger and Skinny Pete make the most sense. Or Tuco's Abuelita.

 
It should be like BTTF3 and be a super prequel set in the Old West. Wyatt White and Jarrett "Pinkerton" Pinkman slinging snake oil across old Albuquerque, being chased by Sheriff Hiram Schrader and his deputy Gomey. Entire seasons would be full of episodes with them like Saul wandering the desert. Robbin' stagecoaches and locomotives and shootin' pistols and such. 

 
The Dreaded Marco said:
I had these same thoughts.

I watched this scene 4 or 5 times and it still looks and sounds like Gus was firing an empty gun, didn't see the muzzle flashes from Gus' gun.  Guess I'll go watch it again  :lmao:
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For how important the sene should have been, it was terrible production.  My wife and I watched it several times and couldn't tell what was going on beyond Gus tripping the power and there being a gun.  No idea who was shooting.  No idea if Lalo was dead.  And Gus looked weak for a lot of the scene and just prior to it.  Thought it was poor delivery overall.

 
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