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***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (3 Viewers)

krista4 said:
I still think many of you misjudge Kim.  Kim is gangster.  She didn’t have a crisis of conscience over what she’d done; instead she had a crisis of knowing she loved Jimmy enough not to want to bring him even more deeply into where she is.

My view has been for some time that he was the one with the moral compass, trying to protect her when she isn’t the one who needs it.   See, e.g., his telling her to call off the Howard thing and her turning around to complete it.  Or her being able to coldly crush Howard’s widow with a made-up story.  It all goes to the flashback when she was a child and trudged home 7-8 miles as a matter of principle.  As Mike said, she’s made of sterner stuff.  The part tonight where Jimmy tried to reassure her that one day they’d wake up and be ok, or after the Howard memorial told her that everything would get better now?  She saw that HE needed that and was suffering.  She didn’t and wasn’t.  She knew that she was making him worse, not the other way around, and she wanted to save him because she actually loved him.

Or at least that’s how I see it. :)  
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Not sure I agree, but it's an interesting take for sure!  :thumbup:   :thumbup:

I do think Kim's conscience finally kicked in.  While she definitely broke bad, I think there were limits to how far she'd go, and murder was never one of them. Ruining Howard's life with a scam? She's good with that.  Seeing him murdered and then being part of the cartel covering up? That is a bridge too far.  It is somewhat similar to Jesse Pinkman, who was good with cooking meth and a lot of what came with it, but when it came to murder, it was something he couldn't deal with (see: his reaction to having to kill Gale, and then his immediate reaction to killing someone when they were escaping Eladio's compound after Gus poisoned them all).  It's what separates the bad guys from the really bad guys.  Saul is much worse than Kim ever was (we know this already based on what we've seen in BB). 

 
Ghost Rider said:
Not sure I agree, but it's an interesting take for sure!  :thumbup:   :thumbup:

I do think Kim's conscience finally kicked in.  While she definitely broke bad, I think there were limits to how far she'd go, and murder was never one of them. Ruining Howard's life with a scam? She's good with that.  Seeing him murdered and then being part of the cartel covering up? That is a bridge too far.  It is somewhat similar to Jesse Pinkman, who was good with cooking meth and a lot of what came with it, but when it came to murder, it was something he couldn't deal with (see: his reaction to having to kill Gale, and then his immediate reaction to killing someone when they were escaping Eladio's compound after Gus poisoned them all).  It's what separates the bad guys from the really bad guys.  Saul is much worse than Kim ever was (we know this already based on what we've seen in BB). 
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Although I see it differently, especially the comparison to Jesse (who was always weak in a way Kim isn’t), your interpretation is reasonable, of course.  What a beautifully developed character she is that we can have such a discussion!  With apologies to @DA RAIDERS, I find her the most interesting and complex person on the show.

Now the question is, where did she go when she left and when do we see her again?  I assume they won’t just leave that open, but I’m terrible at predictions.

 
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krista4 said:
Although I see it differently, especially the comparison to Jesse (who was always weak in a way Kim isn’t), your interpretation is reasonable, of course.  What a beautifully developed character she is that we can have such a discussion!  With apologies to @DA RAIDERS, I find her the most interesting and complex person on the show.

Now the question is, where did she go when she left and when do we see her again?  I assume they won’t just leave that open, but I’m terrible at predictions.
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Yeah, predictions with BB and this show never work out well for me, so I am just enjoying the ride from now to the end. 

What's interesting is the difference between Jimmy and Kim. Jimmy is willing to go much farther with crime than Kim, as we saw in BB, but he seemed to genuinely feel bad for Howard's widow at the service and said what he could to try and make her feel better while not denouncing Howard at all.  Meanwhile, Kim's approach was to tell a lie to reinforce their lie while slandering Howard even more in the process.  They are very different types of "bad guys." 

And while Slippin' Jimmy has always been there, I think the presence of Kim tried to make him a little better of a man, as I think he had it in his head that she was a better person than the stuff she was having them do, but now that she is gone, there is no one around him to keep him in check and he can go full Slippin' Jimmy now, which means Saul Goodman in all his glory. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
Yeah, predictions with BB and this show never work out well for me, so I am just enjoying the ride from now to the end. 

What's interesting is the difference between Jimmy and Kim. Jimmy is willing to go much farther with crime than Kim, as we saw in BB, but he seemed to genuinely feel bad for Howard's widow at the service and said what he could to try and make her feel better while not denouncing Howard at all.  Meanwhile, Kim's approach was to tell a lie to reinforce their lie while slandering Howard even more in the process.  They are very different types of "bad guys." 

And while Slippin' Jimmy has always been there, I think the presence of Kim tried to make him a little better of a man, as I think he had it in his head that she was a better person than the stuff she was having them do, but now that she is gone, there is no one around him to keep him in check and he can go full Slippin' Jimmy now, which means Saul Goodman in all his glory. 
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In terms of “types of bad guys,” I’m mulling over what Nacho’s dad said to Mike, something along the lines of, “That’s not justice, that’s revenge.  All you gangsters are alike.”  I’m thinking now that the writers intended that to reference Kim and Jimmy in the viewers’ minds, not just Mike, since the episode was focused primarily on the Howard situation.

Fully agree with your final paragraph, too.

 
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offdee said:
I think this conversation about mundane details that really make zero difference in the show’s arc proves that scene was not executed well. 
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The purpose was to show that Fring has chosen a life where he really can't celebrate anything.  He had a brief lapse in judgement and realized it.  He's always been a supporting character that we've always seen as super serious and/or angry.  This was just a clip to show us that he's a real person with real feelings after all.  Stop overanalyzing it.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Not sure I agree, but it's an interesting take for sure!  :thumbup:   :thumbup:

I do think Kim's conscience finally kicked in.  While she definitely broke bad, I think there were limits to how far she'd go, and murder was never one of them. Ruining Howard's life with a scam? She's good with that.  Seeing him murdered and then being part of the cartel covering up? That is a bridge too far.  It is somewhat similar to Jesse Pinkman, who was good with cooking meth and a lot of what came with it, but when it came to murder, it was something he couldn't deal with (see: his reaction to having to kill Gale, and then his immediate reaction to killing someone when they were escaping Eladio's compound after Gus poisoned them all).  It's what separates the bad guys from the really bad guys.  Saul is much worse than Kim ever was (we know this already based on what we've seen in BB). 
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Would be a great "twist" if Kim left but is still somehow involved behind the scenes in the stuff we watched in Breaking Bad.

 
shuke said:
The purpose was to show that Fring has chosen a life where he really can't celebrate anything.  He had a brief lapse in judgement and realized it.  He's always been a supporting character that we've always seen as super serious and/or angry.  This was just a clip to show us that he's a real person with real feelings after all.  Stop overanalyzing it.
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Agree - my only comment goes along with the discussion from last week.  Half or more of this episode felt like a slow burn or filler.  Nacho's Dad, Howard's memorial service and this scene with the wine guy are not building to something like the last few episodes of BB.  It's high quality television but unless they still have some big things in store for these last 4 episodes I'm still firmly in the BB > BCS camp.  And if that sounds like I'm crapping on BCS then I'm not - it's just different.  The style is more character development than action and that's probably harder to pull off.

 
AAABatteries said:
Nacho's Dad, Howard's memorial service and this scene with the wine guy are not building to something like the last few episodes of BB.
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Tying up all the BCS loose ends before they go into the BB and post-BB stuff. 
 

The wine guy stuff seemed weird at first but if you think about it as a farewell to Gus, seeing him once again unable to experience happiness, it makes more sense (to me). 

 
Capella said:
Tying up all the BCS loose ends before they go into the BB and post-BB stuff. 
 

The wine guy stuff seemed weird at first but if you think about it as a farewell to Gus, seeing him once again unable to experience happiness, it makes more sense (to me). 
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Yeah, that's a really good point that I hadn't thought of - sorry if somebody mentioned it above and I missed it.  Would definitely make even more sense if that's the last time we see him.

 
The other reason I was thinking that interaction with the wine guy reminded Gus of Max is him earlier staring at the pool at the end of the scene with Eladio.  

 
krista4 said:
Kim:  I love you too, but so what. 

Kim didn’t tell Jimmy about Lalo being alive because he would know Mike was watching them and would then stop the game, because he was the one with a conscience!  But she was having fun.  She said all this, out loud.
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Thats the first time the 2 of them have ever said '' i love you''  to each other 

 
shuke said:
The purpose was to show that Fring has chosen a life where he really can't celebrate anything.  He had a brief lapse in judgement and realized it.  He's always been a supporting character that we've always seen as super serious and/or angry.  This was just a clip to show us that he's a real person with real feelings after all.  Stop overanalyzing it.
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Good explanation. 

 
AAABatteries said:
Agree - my only comment goes along with the discussion from last week.  Half or more of this episode felt like a slow burn or filler.  Nacho's Dad, Howard's memorial service and this scene with the wine guy are not building to something like the last few episodes of BB.  It's high quality television but unless they still have some big things in store for these last 4 episodes I'm still firmly in the BB > BCS camp.  And if that sounds like I'm crapping on BCS then I'm not - it's just different.  The style is more character development than action and that's probably harder to pull off.
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I disagree with this.  The beauty of this show is the performances of the actors. Everyone of them got their "emmy" moment in this episode, except for those who died in the last few episodes.

Gus - gets a confrontation with Eladio that sets up their next confrontation by the pool, and then gets the "take a breath" moment at the bar where you see there is little joy in the life he has chosen.

Mike - gets his moral compass screwed with by another father who has lost his son.

Kim and Jimmy come to a head with another emmy consideration performance by Rhea.

Not to mention Francesca and hamlin's wife get a few beats in there.

Add to that another "regular day" montage and the other visual stylings of BB/BCS and I think it was a nice time jump set up.

 
AAABatteries said:
I thought the guy in the restaurant reminded Gus of Max and it made him both excited at the prospect of that relationship and sad.
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Yeah, that's what I got as well.  That he missed the companionship but left because he was still loyal and his work/revenge not complete.  

 
Jimmy’s voice cracking as he said “but you make me happy” was a real heart breaking moment. :cry:  
 

He spent his entire life looking for love and acceptance and ended up being mocked and thought of as a joke by the one man he truly loved and respected. He’s not a good person, but still sad. 

 
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Gatorman said:
I disagree with this.  The beauty of this show is the performances of the actors. Everyone of them got their "emmy" moment in this episode, except for those who died in the last few episodes.

Gus - gets a confrontation with Eladio that sets up their next confrontation by the pool, and then gets the "take a breath" moment at the bar where you see there is little joy in the life he has chosen.

Mike - gets his moral compass screwed with by another father who has lost his son.

Kim and Jimmy come to a head with another emmy consideration performance by Rhea.

Not to mention Francesca and hamlin's wife get a few beats in there.

Add to that another "regular day" montage and the other visual stylings of BB/BCS and I think it was a nice time jump set up.
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Yeah, I really enjoyed that episode.  I got my fill of cartel stuff and even the lawyer scenes were interesting.  I liked Howard's wake  and how awkward it was.  You could really feel Jimmy and Kim trying their best to fake it through.  And the Jimmy/Kim break-up was so well acted and executed.  I'm going to miss Kim.  Great actress.  

 
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Does Bob Odenkirk really have that big sweeping combover in real life or did they need to create that for him? (shaving or wig?).     I've never seen a real-life combover execution fresh out the shower like that before.  Mesmerizing.

 
In thinking about the comments here about the slowness or lack of anything big happening in this episode, I believe that’s were this show excels. No other show, maybe BB, really explores the ramifications of decisions like this one.  And not just in the “revenge” angle of ramifications but in the emotional and long lasting ramifications.  It truly gives this show a depth that is rarified air for TV.  

 
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fruity pebbles said:
Any chance they do another BB offshoot show at some point? Know they are taking a break but I’d love to see the rise of Gus Fring. 
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I’d love to see this, but at some point they can’t keep going back further in time with these characters unless they find some great make-up.  Gus is looking a little rough already.

 
offdee said:
Does Bob Odenkirk really have that big sweeping combover in real life or did they need to create that for him? (shaving or wig?).     I've never seen a real-life combover execution fresh out the shower like that before.  Mesmerizing.
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combover is fake. it's funny, even in the scene right after in the conference room when the prostitute is leaving you can see it's his real hair. i'm entering that thinning hair age so i pay attention to these things.

 
dkp993 said:
In thinking about the comments here about the slowness or lack of anything big happening in this episode, I believe that’s were this show excels. No other show then probably BB really explores the ramifications of decisions like this one.  And not just in the “revenge” angle of ramifications but in the emotional and long lasting ramifications.  It truly gives this show a depth that is rarified air for TV.  
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absolutely. it's true, technically nothing happened in this episode, if you're watching for the action. or if you're watching for the storyline, everything happened in this episode. exit Kim, close Ignacio story, done with Gus vs. Salamanca storyline as far as Lalo is concerned, mike continuing to draw a line with Gus/drug lords (that scene where he turns off the light in the tunnel imo is more significant than it seemed), end of HHM.

Enter Saul Goodman & Associates.

 
fruity pebbles said:
Any chance they do another BB offshoot show at some point? Know they are taking a break but I’d love to see the rise of Gus Fring. 
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Not a BB or BCS thing, but there was a commercial last night for a new show coming,  “Interview with a Vampire” that is written and produced by the same BB/BCS team. 

 
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offdee said:
Not a BB or BCS thing, but there was a commercial last night for a new show coming,  “Interview with a Vampire” that is written and produced by the same BB/BCS team. 
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Gilligan has nothing to do with that. It's one of the producers 

 
krista4 said:
I’d love to see this, but at some point they can’t keep going back further in time with these characters unless they find some great make-up.  Gus is looking a little rough already.
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Yeah, I don't think another series makes sense but one offs like El Camino could be interesting.  I'd definitely tune into to Young Gus, Badger & Skinny, The Wendy Escapades, etc.  

 
Yeah. The actors really feel like they become the characters on a deeper level. Watched Dark Wind, another AMC show, recently at the recommendation of others. Wasn't bad but the acting was grade school compared to BB and Saul. 

 
fruity pebbles said:
Yeah. The actors really feel like they become the characters on a deeper level. Watched Dark Wind, another AMC show, recently at the recommendation of others. Wasn't bad but the acting was grade school compared to BB and Saul. 
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Lol. Funny you mention this.  Yesterday Face Off (the Travolta and Cage cheesy movie) was on TV. I turned it on just for the hell of it and to kill some time on prior to me watching my taped Saul episode. I’m not sure there could be a greater juxtaposition of acting from one to the other.  It was like looking at a painting I created using only my feet to then looking up at the ceiling of the sistine chapel.

 
krista4 said:
Although I see it differently, especially the comparison to Jesse (who was always weak in a way Kim isn’t), your interpretation is reasonable, of course.  What a beautifully developed character she is that we can have such a discussion!  With apologies to @DA RAIDERS, I find her the most interesting and complex person on the show.

Now the question is, where did she go when she left and when do we see her again?  I assume they won’t just leave that open, but I’m terrible at predictions.
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:mellow:   she's alright. ;)  

pretty underwhelming exit for such a powerhouse character.  i expected there to be more of a shove to put jimmy into full saul mode.  i fully expected her to die and that it would be totally saul's fault.  instead it's a version of it's not you, it's me. or us in this case.

 
krista4 said:
I still think many of you misjudge Kim.  Kim is gangster.  She didn’t have a crisis of conscience over what she’d done; instead she had a crisis of knowing she loved Jimmy enough not to want to bring him even more deeply into where she is.

My view has been for some time that he was the one with the moral compass, trying to protect her when she isn’t the one who needs it.   See, e.g., his telling her to call off the Howard thing and her turning around to complete it.  Or her being able to coldly crush Howard’s widow with a made-up story.  It all goes to the flashback when she was a child and trudged home 7-8 miles as a matter of principle.  As Mike said, she’s made of sterner stuff.  The part tonight where Jimmy tried to reassure her that one day they’d wake up and be ok, or after the Howard memorial told her that everything would get better now?  She saw that HE needed that and was suffering.  She didn’t and wasn’t.  She knew that she was making him worse, not the other way around, and she wanted to save him because she actually loved him.

Or at least that’s how I see it. :)  
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I like this theory, but not sure why she had to quit being a lawyer if she felt this way. Seems like she didn't like what she was becoming and wanted a change.

 
Yesterday's episode definitely felt like it could've been a finale but there's 4 more episodes to go.  They can't all be about Gene because we know there is going to be the Walt/Jesse cameos.  Unless it's a flashback.

We used to see Saul as a comic relief character, not knowing that "Saul" was in fact a coping mechanism for a depressing shell of a man who went through some real ####.  The producers have been saying that this final season will change the way we look at BB.  I wonder if this is what they meant, or if more is to come for this.  

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I like this theory, but not sure why she had to quit being a lawyer if she felt this way. Seems like she didn't like what she was becoming and wanted a change.
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Her wanting a change still fits within my theory.  She wanted to get away and have a full break with Jimmy.  She's leaving NM altogether.  She could still go be a lawyer somewhere else.  Not sure if she would still want to be a lawyer, but she could. 

In that way, the "I'm no longer a lawyer" line just isn't realistic.  You can go inactive in a state by filing an application for the change in status, or you can resign from their bar entirely, but in either case it doesn't involve a phone call two hours ago or whatever she said.   I don't know the NM rules specifically, but it's a process that would require some written statements/applications/notices, and there are also ethical rules regarding withdrawing from an active representation of a client.

And even after resigning or going inactive, you’re still a lawyer.  You’re just not admitted to that state bar.

 
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Scoresman said:
https://i.imgur.com/bC1VCqR.jpg

The attention to detail and foreshadowing in this show is so good.
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There was a pic/post somewhere that had one of Nacho's ladies with a domino stuck to the bottom of her foot, and it was the 6/3 domino, and a pic of Lalo walking past a house with a number of 68.  

Nacho's last episode was 6-03, and Lalo's was 6-08. 

ETA: Domino pic: https://images.app.goo.gl/TzPGhFcqDVNc86Ka8

Lalo pic: https://images.app.goo.gl/1TSJyeaWq7nahjd9A

 
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