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***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (2 Viewers)

have any of you heard of the dense beard of justice*? why would all the prisoners on the bus, presumably from all over the country, know about saul goodman? just bugged me.

*schmarmy ambulance chaser here in SoCal
That woman calling Kim specifically said “I assume you’ve seen it on the news?” A capture like that with all the drama and intrigue I assume would make national news status and make Saul a crook’s cult hero pretty quickly.
It also ties in with how Walt was national news after he went into hiding. What prompted him to come out of hiding was seeing Gretchen and Elliott being interviewed on TV by Charlie Rose and denying he was a major figure in the history of Grey Matter.
 
Loved the scene of them smoking together against the wall.
Goes all the way back to the two of them sharing a smoke in the parking garage of HHM, was that episode 1?
I think so — if not, then one of the other very early episodes. They would also smoke when they were plotting cons.

The plotting cons while smoking thing I think was a key underlying subtlety of that scene. Kim confirmed she had her lawyer license active in that area and they both had an internal moment of "should we make something happen together to get you out of here sooner?" (their natural instincts), but then realized in that moment that life was fine the way it was and they've learned it's ultimately not worth it.

As someone else posted above, they thought when they were smoking staring out the window that a new con was on. I felt the same way, and I think that was on purpose to make the viewer get that rush for a split second only to quickly be brought back down that the crazy ride is finally over.
 
my favorite part was how easy he got caught,. that was awesome.
I really liked how they didn't drag it out, him getting caught. Jimmy was a con man and a lawyer, not a hardened street criminal who knows how to evade the police when on the run. The fact that he got caught quickly made a lot of sense.
I'm sure this will be a minority opinion but I didn't like the ending because I'm not buying it. Nothing about Jimmy/Saul suggests he would ever do something like that.

In this interview with Peter Gould, Peter says:

"And yes, I agree it’s optimistic, because he makes a change. Anybody who studies the human beings around you, you can see that making a real change is very difficult and rare. In drama, we always say, “Oh, it’s about character change,” but it’s sometimes characters just becoming more of what they were or they’re continuing down the tracks that they’ve laid for themselves. This is a guy, he has this self-destructive impulse that keeps coming back and he does things that he really doesn’t have to do, things like working with Walter White or busting into Mr. Lingk’s house even when he’s probably coming to at any moment.

Now finally he makes a change here..."

--

So after everything we've seen for 11 years about this guy, he now suddenly makes a complete 180 in his character? I don't get it. Think its kind of bogus.


ETA: As always, of course, the episode was incredibly well done. Loved the scene of them smoking together against the wall. That was awesome. Its just this hero turn I'm not buying. That's all.
agreed. the frankie pentangeli moment of seeing kim sitting at the back of the courtroom, makes saul change his entire life's course? was a huge stretch for me. especially after getting over on the feds. somehow knocking life plus 180 years, down to 7? and dictating terms? i'm no lawyer, but that was another huge stretch for me.

rhea stole every scene as usual.

bummed to see it end. i didn't love how they played out the gene story. at least carol burnett got some work. :wink:
She really did. She can say so much with just a look or an expression. She is a wonderful actor.
 
Yep, that's why they made a point of showing him walking out of the kitchen and basically being the BMOC in that place, dapping up and pointing to guys. Everyone there loved him, and in the end, he was living better in jail than he would be as a free man. A place where he is now finally looked at as a hero versus an F up his whole life. Along with one special person on the outside that also now saw him as her hero. It was his "time machine"....but he chose to write the future rather than change the past.
great write up.
 
have any of you heard of the dense beard of justice*? why would all the prisoners on the bus, presumably from all over the country, know about saul goodman? just bugged me.

*schmarmy ambulance chaser here in SoCal
That woman calling Kim specifically said “I assume you’ve seen it on the news?” A capture like that with all the drama and intrigue I assume would make national news status and make Saul a crook’s cult hero pretty quickly.
It also ties in with how Walt was national news after he went into hiding. What prompted him to come out of hiding was seeing Gretchen and Elliott being interviewed on TV by Charlie Rose and denying he was a major figure in the history of Grey Matter.
But also to use them anonymously to get his money to his family - they wouldn't take it any other way.
 
Loved the scene of them smoking together against the wall.
Goes all the way back to the two of them sharing a smoke in the parking garage of HHM, was that episode 1?
I think so — if not, then one of the other very early episodes. They would also smoke when they were plotting cons.

The plotting cons while smoking thing I think was a key underlying subtlety of that scene. Kim confirmed she had her lawyer license active in that area and they both had an internal moment of "should we make something happen together to get you out of here sooner?" (their natural instincts), but then realized in that moment that life was fine the way it was and they've learned it's ultimately not worth it.

As someone else posted above, they thought when they were smoking staring out the window that a new con was on. I felt the same way, and I think that was on purpose to make the viewer get that rush for a split second only to quickly be brought back down that the crazy ride is finally over.
Kim said her lawyer card (or whatever it's called) didn't have an expiration date - so she's still not officially a lawyer but used the old one to get into the prison.
 
I enjoyed the finale but thought parts were a little too cute and convenient. The bus ride chant and sharing the smoke with Kim made me cringe a bit. I guess I was looking forward to some sort of battle with Kim and didn't get it. I did like how a life sentence in jail felt like a happy ending for Jimmy. Not many shows could pull that off. It was also fun to see a lot of past characters make important cameos. Walt's line about Saul being the last person he'd hire got a big laugh here and for once I didn't find Marie annoying.

I'm really going to miss this show. Gilligan is the GOAT.
 
I enjoyed the finale but thought parts were a little too cute and convenient. The bus ride chant and sharing the smoke with Kim made me cringe a bit. I guess I was looking forward to some sort of battle with Kim and didn't get it. I did like how a life sentence in jail felt like a happy ending for Jimmy. Not many shows could pull that off. It was also fun to see a lot of past characters make important cameos. Walt's line about Saul being the last person he'd hire got a big laugh here and for once I didn't find Marie annoying.

I'm really going to miss this show. Gilligan is the GOAT.

why would he battle with kim? he loves her
 
I enjoyed the finale but thought parts were a little too cute and convenient. The bus ride chant and sharing the smoke with Kim made me cringe a bit. I guess I was looking forward to some sort of battle with Kim and didn't get it. I did like how a life sentence in jail felt like a happy ending for Jimmy. Not many shows could pull that off. It was also fun to see a lot of past characters make important cameos. Walt's line about Saul being the last person he'd hire got a big laugh here and for once I didn't find Marie annoying.

I'm really going to miss this show. Gilligan is the GOAT.
The bus chant was pretty dumb.
 
I enjoyed the finale but thought parts were a little too cute and convenient. The bus ride chant and sharing the smoke with Kim made me cringe a bit. I guess I was looking forward to some sort of battle with Kim and didn't get it. I did like how a life sentence in jail felt like a happy ending for Jimmy. Not many shows could pull that off. It was also fun to see a lot of past characters make important cameos. Walt's line about Saul being the last person he'd hire got a big laugh here and for once I didn't find Marie annoying.

I'm really going to miss this show. Gilligan is the GOAT.

why would he battle with kim? he loves her

It looked like he was going to betray her in court so I was curious how that was going to play out.
 
have any of you heard of the dense beard of justice*? why would all the prisoners on the bus, presumably from all over the country, know about saul goodman? just bugged me.

*schmarmy ambulance chaser here in SoCal
Heisenberg etc was a national story.
 
It was when Saul was on the plane I that he decided to save Kim - after he heard she did the right thing in confessing to Howard's wife. The whole last quarter of the season gave instances showing how he still loved her.

Lots of villains and anti-heroes have last minute epiphanies that redeem themselves at least a little. It's less of a turn than Vader deciding to throw the Emperor down the shaft after he realizes his love for his son.
 
It was when Saul was on the plane I that he decided to save Kim - after he heard she did the right thing in confessing to Howard's wife. The whole last quarter of the season gave instances showing how he still loved her.

Lots of villains and anti-heroes have last minute epiphanies that redeem themselves at least a little. It's less of a turn than Vader deciding to throw the Emperor down the shaft after he realizes his love for his son.

Save her from what?
 
It did not seem out of character to me. More than anything else, Saul negotiated the feds down to 7 years BECAUSE HE COULD. He didn't actually care if he spent 7 years in prison or the rest of his life, for the reasons Ghost Rider and Offdee said. He wanted to flex his legal muscles to show himself that he still had it and to counteract the disrespect that Chuck had for his legal abilities.
What he did had nothing to do with the law. You said it yourself in sentence #2. He was negotiating. And - if you can suspend disbelief to a level never before reached - he did a fine job.

(FTR, the Feds would never have agreed to negotiate life+ down to 7 years, let alone let him pick the wing (!) of the low security federal prison. That's just a bridge too far. Mint chocolate chip ice cream every Friday: :lmao:)
 
It was when Saul was on the plane I that he decided to save Kim - after he heard she did the right thing in confessing to Howard's wife. The whole last quarter of the season gave instances showing how he still loved her.

Lots of villains and anti-heroes have last minute epiphanies that redeem themselves at least a little. It's less of a turn than Vader deciding to throw the Emperor down the shaft after he realizes his love for his son.

Save her from what?
The civil suit.
:ponder:
 
It was when Saul was on the plane I that he decided to save Kim - after he heard she did the right thing in confessing to Howard's wife. The whole last quarter of the season gave instances showing how he still loved her.

Lots of villains and anti-heroes have last minute epiphanies that redeem themselves at least a little. It's less of a turn than Vader deciding to throw the Emperor down the shaft after he realizes his love for his son.

Save her from what?
The civil suit.
:ponder:
But it sounds like he didnt really save her from that.
 
It was when Saul was on the plane I that he decided to save Kim - after he heard she did the right thing in confessing to Howard's wife. The whole last quarter of the season gave instances showing how he still loved her.

Lots of villains and anti-heroes have last minute epiphanies that redeem themselves at least a little. It's less of a turn than Vader deciding to throw the Emperor down the shaft after he realizes his love for his son.

Save her from what?
The civil suit.
:ponder:
But it sounds like he didnt really save her from that.

Right. She's still vulnerable to that. The widow Hamlin can still sue her (if she chooses).
 
Also, wasn't a big fan of the black and white for half the season. It wasn't necessary.

I think with all the timeline jumping the second half of this season it was somewhat necessary. If Gene/Jimmy/Saul wasn't on camera it would be hard to instantly distinguish between timelines.
This is not the first show that jumped between timelines.

No it's not but they did so much in the last half season that besides the stylistic choice (which didn't bug me - I felt it fit nicely with the Gene persona), it probably helped keep things on track more.
 
Also, wasn't a big fan of the black and white for half the season. It wasn't necessary.

I think with all the timeline jumping the second half of this season it was somewhat necessary. If Gene/Jimmy/Saul wasn't on camera it would be hard to instantly distinguish between timelines.
This is not the first show that jumped between timelines.

No it's not but they did so much in the last half season that besides the stylistic choice (which didn't bug me - I felt it fit nicely with the Gene persona), it probably helped keep things on track more.

I thought the black and white choice was great. Not only did it signify a different time, but life just wasn't any fun anymore. Constantly making the Cinnabons. Or watching The Amazing Race with a simple boyfriend. The excitement of the Albuquerque life was gone.

So the black and white fit.
 
Also, wasn't a big fan of the black and white for half the season. It wasn't necessary.

I think with all the timeline jumping the second half of this season it was somewhat necessary. If Gene/Jimmy/Saul wasn't on camera it would be hard to instantly distinguish between timelines.
This is not the first show that jumped between timelines.

No it's not but they did so much in the last half season that besides the stylistic choice (which didn't bug me - I felt it fit nicely with the Gene persona), it probably helped keep things on track more.

I thought the black and white choice was great. Not only did it signify a different time, but life just wasn't any fun anymore. Constantly making the Cinnabons. Or watching The Amazing Race with a simple boyfriend. The excitement of the Albuquerque life was gone.

So the black and white fit.
Yeah I didn’t like it at first either, but the finale episode it really helped and it clicked how necessary it was.
 
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Also, wasn't a big fan of the black and white for half the season. It wasn't necessary.

I think with all the timeline jumping the second half of this season it was somewhat necessary. If Gene/Jimmy/Saul wasn't on camera it would be hard to instantly distinguish between timelines.
This is not the first show that jumped between timelines.

No it's not but they did so much in the last half season that besides the stylistic choice (which didn't bug me - I felt it fit nicely with the Gene persona), it probably helped keep things on track more.

I thought the black and white choice was great. Not only did it signify a different time, but life just wasn't any fun anymore. Constantly making the Cinnabons. Or watching The Amazing Race with a simple boyfriend. The excitement of the Albuquerque life was gone.

So the black and white fit.
Did we all agree or did anyone mention that he probably posts at FBG??
 
It was when Saul was on the plane I that he decided to save Kim - after he heard she did the right thing in confessing to Howard's wife. The whole last quarter of the season gave instances showing how he still loved her.

Lots of villains and anti-heroes have last minute epiphanies that redeem themselves at least a little. It's less of a turn than Vader deciding to throw the Emperor down the shaft after he realizes his love for his son.

Save her from what?
Well, that wasn't said quite right. Yes, Kim can't be "saved" from the civil suit - but that's not going to happen anyway. She has nothing to take that would make it worth Cheryl's time.

Kim returns to the life she always wanted - helping people through the law. That had all been thrown away when she chose to chase the money with Saul and to destroy Howard in the process. She follows, before Jimmy does, the advice that Chuck gives, "If you don't like where you're heading, there's no shame in going back and changing your path."

Jimmy finally answers his own time travel/regret question when he decides that he'd rather serve 80+ years as Jimmy than 7 as Saul.

And he wanted Kim to know that he wouldn't have come to that conclusion without her.
 
I thought that ending was so brilliant. Legit made me gasp when the credits rolled. They earned that long look of affection at each other. The show took the time to build to that over the years in a time where we see too many shows and movies try to clumsily shoehorn these things in. It’s rare to see something so meticulously put together. Absolute top-tier show.
 
It was when Saul was on the plane I that he decided to save Kim - after he heard she did the right thing in confessing to Howard's wife. The whole last quarter of the season gave instances showing how he still loved her.

Lots of villains and anti-heroes have last minute epiphanies that redeem themselves at least a little. It's less of a turn than Vader deciding to throw the Emperor down the shaft after he realizes his love for his son.

Save her from what?
Well, that wasn't said quite right. Yes, Kim can't be "saved" from the civil suit - but that's not going to happen anyway. She has nothing to take that would make it worth Cheryl's time.

Kim returns to the life she always wanted - helping people through the law. That had all been thrown away when she chose to chase the money with Saul and to destroy Howard in the process. She follows, before Jimmy does, the advice that Chuck gives, "If you don't like where you're heading, there's no shame in going back and changing your path."

Jimmy finally answers his own time travel/regret question when he decides that he'd rather serve 80+ years as Jimmy than 7 as Saul.

And he wanted Kim to know that he wouldn't have come to that conclusion without her.


Yeah, Kim took 'Gene's advice from the phone call to her sprinkler job and came clean. When 'Saul' heard she did, on the airplane, he realized his regret in life was not taking the opportunity to repair his relationship with Chuck... 'never too late to change your path'... go straight, and live the legit life with Kim. So if she came clean, he would become Jimmy again and do the same.

They're both living with the consequences, whatever they are. Civil suit, life in prison, lung cancer from all the cigarettes, whatever comes their way, they're facing it legit.
 
Well, that wasn't said quite right. Yes, Kim can't be "saved" from the civil suit - but that's not going to happen anyway. She has nothing to take that would make it worth Cheryl's time.

Kim returns to the life she always wanted - helping people through the law. That had all been thrown away when she chose to chase the money with Saul and to destroy Howard in the process. She follows, before Jimmy does, the advice that Chuck gives, "If you don't like where you're heading, there's no shame in going back and changing your path."

Jimmy finally answers his own time travel/regret question when he decides that he'd rather serve 80+ years as Jimmy than 7 as Saul.

And he wanted Kim to know that he wouldn't have come to that conclusion without her.

Thanks. I like this. Its a good explanation.

First, I'll caveat again by saying I loved the show and even really liked the finale. But I had two quibbles:

1) They kind of played it both ways with Kim and Saul. Each of them was redeemed so they had a (sort of) happy ending. But at the same time, they didn't want to show these bad people getting away with everything so they are each punished also (civil suit v life in prison). That just seemed a little cute to me.

2) I find it hard to believe that (based on what we know about the characters) they would have the capacity to fundamentally change like that. Maybe Kim. But not Saul. At every turn for the last 11 years, he makes the wrong, self-destructive move. And now, when faced with the biggest decision of his life, he's going to all of a sudden be good? I just wasn't buying it.

In fairness, I have a negative view of human beings. So I just don't believe he would make such a complete change at that time.
 
Well, that wasn't said quite right. Yes, Kim can't be "saved" from the civil suit - but that's not going to happen anyway. She has nothing to take that would make it worth Cheryl's time.

Kim returns to the life she always wanted - helping people through the law. That had all been thrown away when she chose to chase the money with Saul and to destroy Howard in the process. She follows, before Jimmy does, the advice that Chuck gives, "If you don't like where you're heading, there's no shame in going back and changing your path."

Jimmy finally answers his own time travel/regret question when he decides that he'd rather serve 80+ years as Jimmy than 7 as Saul.

And he wanted Kim to know that he wouldn't have come to that conclusion without her.

Thanks. I like this. Its a good explanation.

First, I'll caveat again by saying I loved the show and even really liked the finale. But I had two quibbles:

1) They kind of played it both ways with Kim and Saul. Each of them was redeemed so they had a (sort of) happy ending. But at the same time, they didn't want to show these bad people getting away with everything so they are each punished also (civil suit v life in prison). That just seemed a little cute to me.

2) I find it hard to believe that (based on what we know about the characters) they would have the capacity to fundamentally change like that. Maybe Kim. But not Saul. At every turn for the last 11 years, he makes the wrong, self-destructive move. And now, when faced with the biggest decision of his life, he's going to all of a sudden be good? I just wasn't buying it.

In fairness, I have a negative view of human beings. So I just don't believe he would make such a complete change at that time.
All he had left was Kim. He wanted to do right by her, even if it wouldn’t have a major change in her life. She got to see him in person atone for all his actions. I figure he would rather do 86 years with her love and respect than 7 without any of that.
 

2) I find it hard to believe that (based on what we know about the characters) they would have the capacity to fundamentally change like that. Maybe Kim. But not Saul. At every turn for the last 11 years, he makes the wrong, self-destructive move. And now, when faced with the biggest decision of his life, he's going to all of a sudden be good? I just wasn't buying it.

In fairness, I have a negative view of human beings. So I just don't believe he would make such a complete change at that time.
But Jimmy sideways straddled the line of good guy/bad guy. At his core he's a hustler/con man but he's no psychopath.

Because of his respect for Chuck, he endeavors to become a legit lawyer. But when Chuck sabotages that he breaks bad.

Realizing that Kim has come clean makes him Break Good.

And there's a difference between redemption and atonement. Jimmy achieves the first but only through his punishment will he gain the latter.
 
I liked it. And I will miss the show and the characters.

But doesn't Kim get off too lightly here? Jimmy/Saul was ready to just be an attorney once he thought Lalo was dead. Would he be a sleazy defense attorney? Yes, and a good one. But there are 1,000,000 of those in this country. Kim is who made them go after Howard. She is the one that continued that scam despite there being several opportunities to walk away -- each of those opportunities to walk encouraged by Jimmy. He went along with it for her. Then when it all blows up, she leaves him, and as a coping mechanism he goes full Saul (I guess -- we didn't see the actual turn).

So why is he so guilt ridden that he eats 80 years in prison? He did right by his brother 90% of the time. He represented shady clients, but he zealously defended them, as required by Chuck and legal ethics. He didn't ask to be a friend of the cartel, but he had to survive. He scammed Howard because of Kim -- not greed or revenge at that point.
 
I'm predicting an El Camino-like Kim movie in about 5 years. She loses everything after being sued by Howard's widow. Starts anew in law doing the cases she was meant to do. Has an epiphany about something that happened with Jimmy's case where she can appeal. She becomes his lawyer. They fall in love again. While prepping for the appeal they have sex in the jail's meeting room. Gets pregnant. Remarries Jimmy. Has Jimmy's kid right around the time Jimmy's re-trial. Verdict in their favor and sentence reduced to 18 years. Fast forward to Jimmy getting out and going to first dinner as a free man with Kim and son. At dinner the son does a slip & fall in the restaurant. Kim and Jimmy go to help him thinking he's hurt but when the kid slyly smiles at them they realize he's pulling the old slippin' Jimmy trick. Final shot is a freeze-frame (CHiPs ending) on Kim and Jimmy's stunned and concerned faces.
 
I thought the black and white choice was great. Not only did it signify a different time, but life just wasn't any fun anymore. Constantly making the Cinnabons. Or watching The Amazing Race with a simple boyfriend. The excitement of the Albuquerque life was gone.

So the black and white fit.

Exactly. It wasn't just to keep the timelines straight but was a storytelling device. I assume you all caught that the cigarette at the end had color to it? My theory was that it signified a return to "Jimmy and Kim," at least a little bit.

Somewhat related, but I loved the fact that the relationship with Kim caused him to become Saul, and then at the end caused him to revert back to being Jimmy again.
 
I have no idea if this was written anywhere, but I did notice this myself while watching last night.

In the scene with Saul and Mike in the desert, when Saul first asks about the time machine, Saul drinks from the open well, and I remember thinking, Gross, animals drink from that!

In the scene with Walt, the furnace was out and Walt was trying to get it going so they could have hot water.

In the scene with Chuck, Jimmy was refilling the cooler with ice.

All three scenes had to do with water. With Mike, it was dirty water. With Walt, it was hot water. With Chuck, it was ice water. They were descriptions of Saul's/Jimmy's relationship with each man: With Mike he got dirty, both literally and figuratively, as they hauled around dirty money; with Walt he was on the run and a wanted man; with Chuck he was fighting estrangement. Knowing how well-written this show was, it seems too logical for it not to be intentional.
 
I have no idea if this was written anywhere, but I did notice this myself while watching last night.

In the scene with Saul and Mike in the desert, when Saul first asks about the time machine, Saul drinks from the open well, and I remember thinking, Gross, animals drink from that!

In the scene with Walt, the furnace was out and Walt was trying to get it going so they could have hot water.

In the scene with Chuck, Jimmy was refilling the cooler with ice.

All three scenes had to do with water. With Mike, it was dirty water. With Walt, it was hot water. With Chuck, it was ice water. They were descriptions of Saul's/Jimmy's relationship with each man: With Mike he got dirty, both literally and figuratively, as they hauled around dirty money; with Walt he was on the run and a wanted man; with Chuck he was fighting estrangement. Knowing how well-written this show was, it seems too logical for it not to be intentional.
Great insight here. Nice.
 
I have no idea if this was written anywhere, but I did notice this myself while watching last night.

In the scene with Saul and Mike in the desert, when Saul first asks about the time machine, Saul drinks from the open well, and I remember thinking, Gross, animals drink from that!

In the scene with Walt, the furnace was out and Walt was trying to get it going so they could have hot water.

In the scene with Chuck, Jimmy was refilling the cooler with ice.

All three scenes had to do with water. With Mike, it was dirty water. With Walt, it was hot water. With Chuck, it was ice water. They were descriptions of Saul's/Jimmy's relationship with each man: With Mike he got dirty, both literally and figuratively, as they hauled around dirty money; with Walt he was on the run and a wanted man; with Chuck he was fighting estrangement. Knowing how well-written this show was, it seems too logical for it not to be intentional.
A+ - I’m gonna re-post this to Reddit and get a bunch of stupid awards
 
I have no idea if this was written anywhere, but I did notice this myself while watching last night.

In the scene with Saul and Mike in the desert, when Saul first asks about the time machine, Saul drinks from the open well, and I remember thinking, Gross, animals drink from that!

In the scene with Walt, the furnace was out and Walt was trying to get it going so they could have hot water.

In the scene with Chuck, Jimmy was refilling the cooler with ice.

All three scenes had to do with water. With Mike, it was dirty water. With Walt, it was hot water. With Chuck, it was ice water. They were descriptions of Saul's/Jimmy's relationship with each man: With Mike he got dirty, both literally and figuratively, as they hauled around dirty money; with Walt he was on the run and a wanted man; with Chuck he was fighting estrangement. Knowing how well-written this show was, it seems too logical for it not to be intentional.
A+ - I’m gonna re-post this to Reddit and get a bunch of stupid awards
Karma points out the wazoo!
 

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