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***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (6 Viewers)

I'm sure this will be a minority opinion but I didn't like the ending because I'm not buying it. Nothing about Jimmy/Saul suggests he would ever do something like that.

In this interview with Peter Gould, Peter says:

"And yes, I agree it’s optimistic, because he makes a change. Anybody who studies the human beings around you, you can see that making a real change is very difficult and rare. In drama, we always say, “Oh, it’s about character change,” but it’s sometimes characters just becoming more of what they were or they’re continuing down the tracks that they’ve laid for themselves. This is a guy, he has this self-destructive impulse that keeps coming back and he does things that he really doesn’t have to do, things like working with Walter White or busting into Mr. Lingk’s house even when he’s probably coming to at any moment.

Now finally he makes a change here..."

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So after everything we've seen for 11 years about this guy, he now suddenly makes a complete 180 in his character? I don't get it. Think its kind of bogus.


ETA: As always, of course, the episode was incredibly well done. Loved the scene of them smoking together against the wall. That was awesome. Its just this hero turn I'm not buying. That's all.
 
whoknew said:
ZADO said:
whoknew said:
ZADO said:
Saul...i mean Jimmy ,stepped up when it mattered the most 👏

Love it
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But why? It seems ... out of character. Why now?
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Love and regret
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He had no regrets.
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The entire show was about regret and going back in time to fix things .
You have to read between the lines watching this show .
They make us work at figuring things out on our own , thats what makes this show and BB so great .
 
whoknew said:
I'm sure this will be a minority opinion but I didn't like the ending because I'm not buying it. Nothing about Jimmy/Saul suggests he would ever do something like that.

In this interview with Peter Gould, Peter says:

"And yes, I agree it’s optimistic, because he makes a change. Anybody who studies the human beings around you, you can see that making a real change is very difficult and rare. In drama, we always say, “Oh, it’s about character change,” but it’s sometimes characters just becoming more of what they were or they’re continuing down the tracks that they’ve laid for themselves. This is a guy, he has this self-destructive impulse that keeps coming back and he does things that he really doesn’t have to do, things like working with Walter White or busting into Mr. Lingk’s house even when he’s probably coming to at any moment.

Now finally he makes a change here..."

--

So after everything we've seen for 11 years about this guy, he now suddenly makes a complete 180 in his character? I don't get it. Think its kind of bogus.


ETA: As always, of course, the episode was incredibly well done. Loved the scene of them smoking together against the wall. That was awesome. Its just this hero turn I'm not buying. That's all.
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He would do ANYTHING for Kim , if nothing else that was never in doubt
 
ZADO said:
whoknew said:
ZADO said:
whoknew said:
ZADO said:
Saul...i mean Jimmy ,stepped up when it mattered the most 👏

Love it
Click to expand...

But why? It seems ... out of character. Why now?
Click to expand...
Love and regret
Click to expand...

He had no regrets.
Click to expand...
The entire show was about regret and going back in time to fix things .
You have to read between the lines watching this show .
They make us work at figuring things out on our own , thats what makes this show and BB so great .
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I understand subtext. But at every turn in 11 years, Jimmy had made the stupid, self-destructive decision. And now, at the very end, he's going to have this big fundamental character change. For what? To give a happy ending of sorts? Seems...cheap to me.
 
ZADO said:
whoknew said:
I'm sure this will be a minority opinion but I didn't like the ending because I'm not buying it. Nothing about Jimmy/Saul suggests he would ever do something like that.

In this interview with Peter Gould, Peter says:

"And yes, I agree it’s optimistic, because he makes a change. Anybody who studies the human beings around you, you can see that making a real change is very difficult and rare. In drama, we always say, “Oh, it’s about character change,” but it’s sometimes characters just becoming more of what they were or they’re continuing down the tracks that they’ve laid for themselves. This is a guy, he has this self-destructive impulse that keeps coming back and he does things that he really doesn’t have to do, things like working with Walter White or busting into Mr. Lingk’s house even when he’s probably coming to at any moment.

Now finally he makes a change here..."

--

So after everything we've seen for 11 years about this guy, he now suddenly makes a complete 180 in his character? I don't get it. Think its kind of bogus.


ETA: As always, of course, the episode was incredibly well done. Loved the scene of them smoking together against the wall. That was awesome. Its just this hero turn I'm not buying. That's all.
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He would do ANYTHING for Kim , if nothing else that was never in doubt
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But he didn't have to do ANYTHING. THe only reason she was potentially in trouble is because he lied to the Feds about her in the first place.
 
When Kim looked out the jail room window there at the end I really thought it was about to be on.

Also, the woman who played the lawyer in the free legal office, I'm pretty sure she was the lady who meets Bugsy in the bar in The Perfect Storm.
 
Great ending.

I didn't see Jimmy's courtroom decision as a fundamental character change. He always had a soft spot for those whom he legit cared about, like Chuck early in the series (before Chuck made it clear it was not mutual) and Kim. Jimmy obviously had no intention of doing what he did in court until he turned and saw Kim, and you could see it in his face. He knew he was going down, and he made the decision to not take Kim down with him. Sure, 86 years is way worse than 7, but remember that was living a miserable existence as Gene.
 
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Great ending.

I didn't see Jimmy's courtroom decision as a fundamental character change. He always had a soft spot for those whom he legit cared about, like Chuck early in the series (before Chuck made it clear it was not mutual) and Kim. Jimmy obviously had no intention of doing what he did in court until he turned and saw Kim, and you could see it in his face. He knew he was going down, and he made the decision to not take Kim down with him. Sure, 86 years is way worse than 7, but remember that was living a miserable existence as Gene.
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Yep, that's why they made a point of showing him walking out of the kitchen and basically being the BMOC in that place, dapping up and pointing to guys. Everyone there loved him, and in the end, he was living better in jail than he would be as a free man. A place where he is now finally looked at as a hero versus an F up his whole life. Along with one special person on the outside that also now saw him as her hero. It was his "time machine"....but he chose to write the future rather than change the past.
 
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It did not seem out of character to me. More than anything else, Saul negotiated the feds down to 7 years BECAUSE HE COULD. He didn't actually care if he spent 7 years in prison or the rest of his life, for the reasons Ghost Rider and Offdee said. He wanted to flex his legal muscles to show himself that he still had it and to counteract the disrespect that Chuck had for his legal abilities. And then he wanted to make things right with/for Kim. Aside from money, the two things Jimmy most cared about were his relationship with Kim, which was destroyed after the Lalo/Howard incident, and the respect of Chuck, which he never got.
 
Was the ending perfect? Probably not. As noted it does nothing for Kim's potential civil liability to Howard's wife. But, she created that herself. It was a very satisfying ending IMO though. My GF looked at me at the beginning of the episode and said "Do you think Saul dies?" That was the million dollar question. So, I'm glad they came up with a plausible, entertaining story line that allowed him to live.

Now, what would have been interesting to me would have been if Saul had actually followed through and given testimony/evidence that would have put Kim in criminal legal peril regarding Howard. Because we all knew going in to this show that it would show us Jimmy's transition in to Saul. And we knew how much of a snake Saul was from Breaking Bad. Making him look like even more of a snake would take a lot of work. So that would have been a real feat, to come up with a story line that shocked us in how low Saul had sunk. And while that would have been an interesting road to explore I'm glad they chose not to.
 
whoknew said:
I'm sure this will be a minority opinion but I didn't like the ending because I'm not buying it. Nothing about Jimmy/Saul suggests he would ever do something like that.

In this interview with Peter Gould, Peter says:

"And yes, I agree it’s optimistic, because he makes a change. Anybody who studies the human beings around you, you can see that making a real change is very difficult and rare. In drama, we always say, “Oh, it’s about character change,” but it’s sometimes characters just becoming more of what they were or they’re continuing down the tracks that they’ve laid for themselves. This is a guy, he has this self-destructive impulse that keeps coming back and he does things that he really doesn’t have to do, things like working with Walter White or busting into Mr. Lingk’s house even when he’s probably coming to at any moment.

Now finally he makes a change here..."

--

So after everything we've seen for 11 years about this guy, he now suddenly makes a complete 180 in his character? I don't get it. Think its kind of bogus.


ETA: As always, of course, the episode was incredibly well done. Loved the scene of them smoking together against the wall. That was awesome. Its just this hero turn I'm not buying. That's all.
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agreed. the frankie pentangeli moment of seeing kim sitting at the back of the courtroom, makes saul change his entire life's course? was a huge stretch for me. especially after getting over on the feds. somehow knocking life plus 180 years, down to 7? and dictating terms? i'm no lawyer, but that was another huge stretch for me.

rhea stole every scene as usual.

bummed to see it end. i didn't love how they played out the gene story. at least carol burnett got some work. :wink:
 
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ZADO said:
How many shows that you love and dread ending , leave you satisfied with the ending?
This show is such a rare breed . Awesome series from start to finish ,thank you for entertaining us for years .
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Spot on. I just finished the episode, feel so satisfied and empty at the same time. I’m actually sad it’s over, not sure I‘he ever felt that way before. What a masterpiece of a show.
 
offdee said:
Ghost Rider said:
Great ending.

I didn't see Jimmy's courtroom decision as a fundamental character change. He always had a soft spot for those whom he legit cared about, like Chuck early in the series (before Chuck made it clear it was not mutual) and Kim. Jimmy obviously had no intention of doing what he did in court until he turned and saw Kim, and you could see it in his face. He knew he was going down, and he made the decision to not take Kim down with him. Sure, 86 years is way worse than 7, but remember that was living a miserable existence as Gene.
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Yep, that's why they made a point of showing him walking out of the kitchen and basically being the BMOC in that place, dapping up and pointing to guys. Everyone there loved him, and in the end, he was living better in jail than he would be as a free man. A place where he is now finally looked at as a hero versus an F up his whole life. Along with one special person on the outside that also now saw him as her hero. It was his "time machine"....but he chose to write the future rather than change the past.
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prequels and sh*t
 
have any of you heard of the dense beard of justice*? why would all the prisoners on the bus, presumably from all over the country, know about saul goodman? just bugged me.

*schmarmy ambulance chaser here in SoCal
 
dkp993 said:
ZADO said:
How many shows that you love and dread ending , leave you satisfied with the ending?
This show is such a rare breed . Awesome series from start to finish ,thank you for entertaining us for years .
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Spot on. I just finished the episode, feel so satisfied and empty at the same time. I’m actually sad it’s over, not sure I‘he ever felt that way before. What a masterpiece of a show.
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Yep. Mad Men gave me a similar feel. Definitely sad to see this one end. Like when a girl tells you its over and you're not quite ready to say goodbye.
 
The EXIT sign buzzing when he talked about Chuck... the same exit sign they couldn't turn off when Chuck testified at the bar hearing. Sweet.

I remember the moment of Walter's regret. Not sticking with Gray Matter. I remember that moment and posting about it in the BB thread, it was the moment where it finally clicked for me for Walter's character. Why he kept on this path he was on, and why he escalated and kept pushing for more. I felt I didn't understand WW until that scene.
 
Each of the vignettes revealed that character's life regret, Jimmy's regret was not taking up Chuck on his offer that night to review cases, get some helpful advice, and do it straight.

He did the crimes, he chose to finally go straight and do the time.

Edit: :doh:it's the day before the first episode yeah
 
Pip's Invitation said:
It did not seem out of character to me. More than anything else, Saul negotiated the feds down to 7 years BECAUSE HE COULD. He didn't actually care if he spent 7 years in prison or the rest of his life, for the reasons Ghost Rider and Offdee said. He wanted to flex his legal muscles to show himself that he still had it and to counteract the disrespect that Chuck had for his legal abilities. And then he wanted to make things right with/for Kim. Aside from money, the two things Jimmy most cared about were his relationship with Kim, which was destroyed after the Lalo/Howard incident, and the respect of Chuck, which he never got.
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Exactly.
 
DA RAIDERS said:
have any of you heard of the dense beard of justice*? why would all the prisoners on the bus, presumably from all over the country, know about saul goodman? just bugged me.

*schmarmy ambulance chaser here in SoCal
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That woman calling Kim specifically said “I assume you’ve seen it on the news?” A capture like that with all the drama and intrigue I assume would make national news status and make Saul a crook’s cult hero pretty quickly.
 
Ghost Rider said:
Great ending.

I didn't see Jimmy's courtroom decision as a fundamental character change. He always had a soft spot for those whom he legit cared about, like Chuck early in the series (before Chuck made it clear it was not mutual) and Kim. Jimmy obviously had no intention of doing what he did in court until he turned and saw Kim, and you could see it in his face. He knew he was going down, and he made the decision to not take Kim down with him. Sure, 86 years is way worse than 7, but remember that was living a miserable existence as Gene.
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Except, as I quoted above, Peter Gould disagrees. He thinks Saul did make a character change in the end.
 
Ghost Rider said:
Great ending.

I didn't see Jimmy's courtroom decision as a fundamental character change. He always had a soft spot for those whom he legit cared about, like Chuck early in the series (before Chuck made it clear it was not mutual) and Kim. Jimmy obviously had no intention of doing what he did in court until he turned and saw Kim, and you could see it in his face. He knew he was going down, and he made the decision to not take Kim down with him. Sure, 86 years is way worse than 7, but remember that was living a miserable existence as Gene.
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He had the intention when he made sure Kim would attend. And he said what he did to try to change Kim’s opinion of him, not keep her safe in any way.
 
offdee said:
Ghost Rider said:
Great ending.

I didn't see Jimmy's courtroom decision as a fundamental character change. He always had a soft spot for those whom he legit cared about, like Chuck early in the series (before Chuck made it clear it was not mutual) and Kim. Jimmy obviously had no intention of doing what he did in court until he turned and saw Kim, and you could see it in his face. He knew he was going down, and he made the decision to not take Kim down with him. Sure, 86 years is way worse than 7, but remember that was living a miserable existence as Gene.
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Yep, that's why they made a point of showing him walking out of the kitchen and basically being the BMOC in that place, dapping up and pointing to guys. Everyone there loved him, and in the end, he was living better in jail than he would be as a free man. A place where he is now finally looked at as a hero versus an F up his whole life. Along with one special person on the outside that also now saw him as her hero. It was his "time machine"....but he chose to write the future rather than change the past.
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I don’t think there’s ever a living better in jail than free. Maybe for homeless living on the streets. And I don’t think Kim looks at him as her hero. She just sees him as the person she cares about again rather than the monster he had become.
 
Shrugs said:
offdee said:
Ghost Rider said:
Great ending.

I didn't see Jimmy's courtroom decision as a fundamental character change. He always had a soft spot for those whom he legit cared about, like Chuck early in the series (before Chuck made it clear it was not mutual) and Kim. Jimmy obviously had no intention of doing what he did in court until he turned and saw Kim, and you could see it in his face. He knew he was going down, and he made the decision to not take Kim down with him. Sure, 86 years is way worse than 7, but remember that was living a miserable existence as Gene.
Click to expand...
Yep, that's why they made a point of showing him walking out of the kitchen and basically being the BMOC in that place, dapping up and pointing to guys. Everyone there loved him, and in the end, he was living better in jail than he would be as a free man. A place where he is now finally looked at as a hero versus an F up his whole life. Along with one special person on the outside that also now saw him as her hero. It was his "time machine"....but he chose to write the future rather than change the past.
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I don’t think there’s ever a living better in jail than free. Maybe for homeless living on the streets. And I don’t think Kim looks at him as her hero. She just sees him as the person she cares about again rather than the monster he had become.
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Maybe for most, but for Jimmy/Saul he lived in a world where he was always looked at as the loser, swindler, piece of ish and the only time he felt alive was when he was hurting others...so in essence he was living in his own personal jail in the free world. Inside this jail he was finally beloved and look at as "accomplished" at his craft versus looked down upon (what he was always so jealous of with his brother Chuck). He now gets to wake up everyday and get love from his community versus hate and disgust. They also made a point of showing that he's living still and not just locked up in a box....he's working, he gets outside, the guards are considerate of him, he has "pull". Jimmy/Saul is actually more at peace within this "world".
 
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