***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (3 Viewers)

[tonydead]

Put me in the camp that thinks the Screw Chuck's Insurance was planned from the beginning.  I think it parallels back to Kim and him at the bar when it was painfully obvious Jimmy wanted to scam some of them folks, couldn't because of Kim and Kim is starting to become soft with Chuck.  Jimmy took it out on Chuck and this might be the start of the separation of Kim from Slippin' Jimmy.

 

[tonydead]

First sentence: Yeah I agree. However as mentioned above, these pills are designed to be taken daily rather than in "rescue" form during an attack. The fact that he takes one in a perceived state of "rescue" in the episode "Off Brand" is kind of odd. 

Second sentence, yep. I agree completely. 

Maybe, but, that's not how the pills were portrayed in the show.  So, accurate to real life pharmacology - maybe not, accurate to the plot - absolutely.

 

[Interseptopus]

Put me in the camp that thinks the Screw Chuck's Insurance was planned from the beginning.  I think it parallels back to Kim and him at the bar when it was painfully obvious Jimmy wanted to scam some of them folks, couldn't because of Kim and Kim is starting to become soft with Chuck.  Jimmy took it out on Chuck and this might be the start of the separation of Kim from Slippin' Jimmy.

Yes this is the beginning of the end of Kim and Jimmy IMO, which is disappointing I will miss Kim (then we will be stuck watching a bunch of men, and maybe Mike's love interest)

Before Kim and Jimmy office shared Kim made a specific point of "we do this, we do this straight." Jimmy seems to be turning more into Slippin' Jimmy with how he is getting back at Chuck, selling ad space, etc. In other words, not doing it straight. Kim has an obvious problem with that as she has a serious client that is checking up on her and Jimmy. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Maybe, but, that's not how the pills were portrayed in the show.  So, accurate to real life pharmacology - maybe not, accurate to the plot - absolutely.

But a glaring error like this is just not what I'd expect from BB/BCS... They have some serious accuracy with law as well as other small details (lawyers will understand and appreciate the old brown banana peel reference when he was picking up garbage- I don't think that was a mistake and it's a bit of humor to that crowd), why slip up on something that a lot of people know to be very common.

A white pill that you place under your tongue versus a capsule that you have to wait to digest before the medication is released? Seems kind of weird. I think Nacho is clueless with what the pill is actually for and it will come back to bite him. We don't see Nacho in BB and Hector is perceived to have suffered a stroke, not dead. So Nacho fails. And this could be a major reason why

 

[Jaysus]

shut up nerds

 

[Interseptopus]

shut up nerds

I'm just glad I watch with my wife because the two of us pick up on different things given our professions, and just in general, and we get a lot more out of it. It's hilarious the little things they put in there. I think you could watch everything 3 times and pick up on something different each time, which is why BB and BCS are such great shows (though not on equal levels at this point IMO)
 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Never fails to crack me up.  I'm OK, buddy - how YOU doin'?  My time is so limited these days, wish I could post more.

I'm surviving.  Deaths in family including older brother, and personnel surgeries, but looking forward to the summer debauchery season.  As Doc Holliday said in Tombstone, I have not yet begun to defile myself.  Looking forward to being a drooling mess at an outdoor concert or two this summer. 

 

[tonydead]

But a glaring error like this is just not what I'd expect from BB/BCS... They have some serious accuracy with law as well as other small details (lawyers will understand and appreciate the old brown banana peel reference when he was picking up garbage- I don't think that was a mistake and it's a bit of humor to that crowd), why slip up on something that a lot of people know to be very common. A white pill that you place under your tongue versus a capsule that you have to wait to digest before the medication is released? Seems kind of weird. I think Nacho is clueless with what the pill is actually for and it will come back to bite him. We don't see Nacho in BB and Hector is perceived to have suffered a stroke, not dead. So Nacho fails. And this could be a major reason why

Maybe he just pops them open with his teeth.  Maybe you're right, but, I'm guessing that you're trying to circumcise a mosquito.  

 

[Cjw_55106]

Kind of a weird episode.  That was an awful lot of time on Mike and the support group / playground. Also I'm not sure I believe Nacho would just spill his plans to Mike - kind of odd. 

None of it was bad, the characters and acting is so strong that I always enjoy it, but there wasn't much to work with last night. 

They have a history. After all, he did hire Mike to kill Tuco....who Mike opted to get thrown in prison instead. 

I think he trusts Mike and dont think it was odd at all. 

 

[tonydead]

Maybe he just pops them open with his teeth.  Maybe you're right, but, I'm guessing that you're trying to circumcise a mosquito.  

Two reasons I say this:

1- They showed him on screen recover from an attack by taking a pill.  Show fact.

2- If the writers didn't choose to look past this then it is going to appear Mike, Mr. Details, did as he goes through with the plan and make the suggestion to switch back the pills.

 

[Gr00vus]

Captain Pharmaceuticals was listening to the Freeze in the car - I don't think I've heard that classic in over 25 years.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I'm surviving.  Deaths in family including older brother, and personnel surgeries, but looking forward to the summer debauchery season.  As Doc Holliday said in Tombstone, I have not yet begun to defile myself.  Looking forward to being a drooling mess at an outdoor concert or two this summer. 

Oh man, I'm so sorry about your brother.  That's ####ing brutal.  I hope things look up and soon, my friend.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

A horny Mike is not something I want to have explored in the series.  His "O" face might be something I just could not get out of my head.

No half measures.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

No half measures.

Oh sweet Jeebus.

 

[shadyridr]

Jimmy probably hooked up with that insurance company because of his connection to Chuck and HHM, so makes sense that he'd know that's who Chuck uses. I think he intentionally only said "McGill" at first. He didn't say "James McGill". He wanted her to know Chuck was a client for when he trashed him later.

Is it even reasonable to think you can get a refund on insurance payments? His request to put his payments on hold until he can practice again and then start paying again once he's reinstated was a ridiculous request, right? I think he knew it was a long shot and I think his main goal was to continue destroying Chuck. The tears at the 150% increase may have been legit based on his money problems and maybe it solidified his mind to push forward with his plan, but I don't think his Screw Chuck plan was born at that moment.

No his specific request was he can restart payment if he got a malpractice suit against him, which is even more absurd a request,

 

[Harry Manback]

Well, and I don't like it one bit if this is true, Howard did have a 1966 Macallan that he claimed was "a 35 year old scotch".

Now anyone who appreciates scotch will know that means that the scotch was distilled in 1935 and aged for 35 years before being bottled in 1966. Is it possible though that the producers or Howard don't know that, and that the implication is that the year is 2001?  I'm not sure when BB takes place...

Possible I suppose.  But I don't like it. Not one bit. 

Wouldn't a 35 year aged 1966 scotch mean it was distilled in 1966 and bottled 35 years later, in 2001?

Which would make more sense being that it's likely 2003 in BCS?

 

[Gr00vus]

Why are we talking about how old Scottish guys are here?

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

A horny Mike... His "O" face...

keep going

 

[Gr00vus]

keep going

Spoiler

Mike's O face:

 

[DA RAIDERS]

On purpose. Notice he mentioned the "mistake" with the numbers (that Jimmy doctored), which will be considered an error brought on by his mental illness by the bar. 

And his satisfied angry look as he walked out at the end was a dead giveaway.  It is clear that Jimmy is majorly frustrated at the year long suspension, especially with having to eke his way through life and basically give his commercial time away for free, and since Chuck is the one who caused it, he has to pay. 

But in the transcripts it's revealed that chuck didn't make a mistake.  Jimmy brought up the transcripts more than once. 

The whole episode was pretty meh for me. 

 

[Interseptopus]

No his specific request was he can restart payment if he got a malpractice suit against him, which is even more absurd a request,

Kind of like planning on not having health insurance and then going onto it and not being denied because of pre-existing condition clauses  

 

[Interseptopus]

But in the transcripts it's revealed that chuck didn't make a mistake.  Jimmy brought up the transcripts more than once. 

The whole episode was pretty meh for me. 

Yes the climax was 2 episodes ago with the hearing. After that it's been kind of ho-hum. This last episode was kind of a throw away, a set up to the next several as the season closes out

 

[dgreen]

But in the transcripts it's revealed that chuck didn't make a mistake.  Jimmy brought up the transcripts more than once. 

The whole episode was pretty meh for me. 

I don't think she grabbed her pen and paper until Jimmy said he had a breakdown. She even asked to clarify, "He had a breakdown in court?" Or something like that. I don't think the address mishap is concerning to the insurance agent. 

 

[shadrap]

Yes the climax was 2 episodes ago with the hearing. After that it's been kind of ho-hum. This last episode was kind of a throw away, a set up to the next several as the season closes out

respectfully disagree, but we each get something different from each episode.   Not much killing or suspense but I got a lot(immense) of humor out of Jimmy & his film crew.   the girl on the film with the beret is so dumb she is priceless.  She wasn't the award winner on the drama club, she was the treasurer.   classic.

 

[Gr00vus]

The degree of bitterness and desperation we saw from Saul this week was new. And this episode clearly marks the beginning of a rift between Saul and Kim. I think this episode may have been some of Odenkirk's best work in the role.

 

[The Ref]

The degree of bitterness and desperation we saw from Saul this week was new. And this episode clearly marks the beginning of a rift between Saul and Kim. I think this episode may have been some of Odenkirk's best work in the role.

I thought so too.... he had me when he started crying.  I thought this was going to be a rock bottom moment before the pivot to Chucks insurance.

 

[Gr00vus]

I thought so too.... he had me when he started crying.  I thought this was going to be a rock bottom moment before the pivot to Chucks insurance.

It was the scene in the bar with Kim that was the highlight of the episode for me - both in terms of what it meant for the story but also the performances of both actors. That was a rock bottom moment for Jimm/Saul - Kim sort of pulled him out of it at the time, but I think both of them realized they're in a different, darker place than they were before.

 

[Ghost Rider]

But in the transcripts it's revealed that chuck didn't make a mistake.  Jimmy brought up the transcripts more than once. 

Assuming you mean the transcript of Jimmy's hearing, we do not know if it was established by the committee that Jimmy's confession on the tape was real.  Remember that Jimmy was arguing that he said what he said to make his brother feel better.  If the committee thought Jimmy really did it, no way would he have only gotten a year suspension. The suspension was likely for the B & E. 

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Assuming you mean the transcript of Jimmy's hearing, we do not know if it was established by the committee that Jimmy's confession on the tape was real.  Remember that Jimmy was arguing that he said what he said to make his brother feel better.  If the committee thought Jimmy really did it, no way would he have only gotten a year suspension. The suspension was likely for the B & E. 

they can't prove the number switching.  they were only addressing the b&e business

 

[Politician Spock]

they can't prove the number switching.  they were only addressing the b&e business

The insurance company's concern is that he had a mental breakdown in court. 

 

[Interseptopus]

The insurance company's concern is that he had a mental breakdown in court. 

She was also concerned that he was making mistakes. Jimmy specifically said "he made a big mistake on a large client, it's only a matter of time before he makes another mistake." Or something along those lines. That's when she grabbed her note pad and started writing. 

To be honest, I think the insurance company is more worried about him making mistakes, because they insure him professionally, so if he is "making mistakes" professionally that's something to seriously pay attention to. Add in that he is mentally ill and had a breakdown on the record- which she also showed a lot of interest in... then that is a very big thing to look into. So IMO it seems to be a bit of both; I wouldn't disregard the "mistake" with Mesa Verde

 

[need2know]

Just caught up.  Good episode.  

 

[Politician Spock]

She was also concerned that he was making mistakes. Jimmy specifically said "he made a big mistake on a large client, it's only a matter of time before he makes another mistake." Or something along those lines. That's when she grabbed her note pad and started writing. 

To be honest, I think the insurance company is more worried about him making mistakes, because they insure him professionally, so if he is "making mistakes" professionally that's something to seriously pay attention to. Add in that he is mentally ill and had a breakdown on the record- which she also showed a lot of interest in... then that is a very big thing to look into. So IMO it seems to be a bit of both; I wouldn't disregard the "mistake" with Mesa Verde

Malpractice insurance doesn't cover "mistakes" per se. It covers malpractice. Just because a lawyer made a mistake doesn't mean the insurance company has to pay. After all, Mesa Varde isn't suing Chuck over his mistake. A mistake would have to be of the degree of malpractice to be a  malpractice insurance risk. Having a mental breakdown over a simple mistake could easily cause malpractice, as well as having a mental breakdown in court. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Malpractice insurance doesn't cover "mistakes" per se. It covers malpractice. Just because a lawyer made a mistake doesn't mean the insurance company has to pay. After all, Mesa Varde isn't suing Chuck over his mistake. A mistake would have to be of the degree of malpractice to be a  malpractice insurance risk. Having a mental breakdown over a simple mistake could easily cause malpractice, as well as having a mental breakdown in court. 

Yes, I agree with the bolded. I do understand that Mesa Verde didn't sue Chuck over his mistake, they didn't have any damages as a result because Kim came to the rescue and got an earlier court date

However, if you make a mistake with a "pretty big client" as Jimmy put it through his crocodile tears, it's a red flag for an insurance company. What happens if he makes a mistake with a big client that results in damages? 

Mesa Verde could have sued HHM over this mistake because they could have proven damages by having to push back the next hearing 6 weeks (or whatever it was) and therefore they could say they had lost business because of it. 

I get that we are having a silly discussion over a TV show, not trying to debate or "win," just trying to look at it from an insurance perspective. 

If I am making mistakes with my patients, but they don't result in anything major, if my malpractice insurance company were to get wind of that they wouldn't be too happy because it's basically only a matter of time before I make a mistake that does result in something major (kind of like if you have a lot of speeding tickets but no accidents, your life insurance premium will be higher because you behave in such a way that is of a higher risk for the insurer). Yes, they are equally concerned if I am having mental break downs as it would call to question my mental stability to practice. 

 

[-fish-]

Malpractice insurance doesn't cover "mistakes" per se. It covers malpractice. Just because a lawyer made a mistake doesn't mean the insurance company has to pay. After all, Mesa Varde isn't suing Chuck over his mistake. A mistake would have to be of the degree of malpractice to be a  malpractice insurance risk. Having a mental breakdown over a simple mistake could easily cause malpractice, as well as having a mental breakdown in court. 

Since he can't prove what happened, it appears to the world that he made a massive mistake in Mesa Verde.  In the real world that's a potential claim, and may trigger an obligation to notify the carrier under a professional liability policy regardless of whether they sue him.   By not reporting it to the carrier, Chuck/HHM breached their obligations under the policy.   Since Jimmy told them he had a breakdown on the record at the hearing, they have even more reason to look into that issue, and they probably already have grounds to drop him.

Mesa Verde probably couldn't win a malpractice action since they weren't actually damaged, but the insurer dropping Chuck would be a major deal.   Other insurers may not touch him, and no way HHM could let him keep working without him being insured.   Jimmy may have ended Chuck's career with that move.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

 Take it to the lawyer thread. 

Also, ricin gravy?  

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

Since he can't prove what happened, it appears to the world that he made a massive mistake in Mesa Verde.  In the real world that's a potential claim, and may trigger an obligation to notify the carrier under a professional liability policy regardless of whether they sue him.   By not reporting it to the carrier, Chuck/HHM breached their obligations under the policy.   Since Jimmy told them he had a breakdown on the record at the hearing, they have even more reason to look into that issue, and they probably already have grounds to drop him.

Mesa Verde probably couldn't win a malpractice action since they weren't actually damaged, but the insurer dropping Chuck would be a major deal.   Other insurers may not touch him, and no way HHM could let him keep working without him being insured.   Jimmy may have ended Chuck's career with that move.

this is interesting. pretty deep, if that's the direction they're going.

 

[Zow]

What do people make of the ending and how this affects Kim/Jimmy's relationship. 

Jimmy and Kim sitting in the restaurant, Jimmy "plotting" their target. He seemed to be still caught up in Chuck being an ### hole as he looked around the room at other ### holes and wanted to "get them." Kim was playing along until she noticed Jimmy was kind of serious... she mentions Chuck, but then after Jimmy mentions Chuck got what he deserved, she kind of feels sorry for him (Jimmy) or something and starts to play along? Not really sure what this means about their relationship. Someone mentioned earlier that the diferences between the two and the remorse they feel (or don't) about what they did to Chuck was going to be the demise, but at the end of this episode she is kind of playing along with Jimmy a bit more...

I agree.  I saw it as that moment where she realizes that, while she'll always like Jimmy, he's just not the guy for her long term and she's both saddened by the realization and sympathetic to Jimmy for not being as "good" as she thought he was. 

 

[Thorn]

Since he can't prove what happened, it appears to the world that he made a massive mistake in Mesa Verde.  In the real world that's a potential claim, and may trigger an obligation to notify the carrier under a professional liability policy regardless of whether they sue him.   By not reporting it to the carrier, Chuck/HHM breached their obligations under the policy.   Since Jimmy told them he had a breakdown on the record at the hearing, they have even more reason to look into that issue, and they probably already have grounds to drop him.

Mesa Verde probably couldn't win a malpractice action since they weren't actually damaged, but the insurer dropping Chuck would be a major deal.   Other insurers may not touch him, and no way HHM could let him keep working without him being insured.   Jimmy may have ended Chuck's career with that move.

The worst-received advice I give clients all the time: put your carrier on notice.

Wait. What thread is this?

 

[-fish-]

The worst-received advice I give clients all the time: put your carrier on notice.

Wait. What thread is this?

The lawyer thread where we ruin TV shows.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

I'm surviving.  Deaths in family including older brother, and personnel surgeries, but looking forward to the summer debauchery season.  As Doc Holliday said in Tombstone, I have not yet begun to defile myself.  Looking forward to being a drooling mess at an outdoor concert or two this summer. 

Damn, so sorry to hear GB. Hang in there and hope you get feeling better. :(

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Damn, so sorry to hear GB. Hang in there and hope you get feeling better. :(

Appreciate that Bob.  I'm doing well for a guy who had a tumor removed from his temporal lobe.  Sometimes I find myself searching a bit for words, especially in other languages, but I'm pretty solid.  Also my balance and depth perception seem a bit off, but coming along.  Hoping to kayak and fish next weekend and maybe be back to Aikido by the fall, maybe.  I don't know if I can return to litigating or teaching, but I can still read a contract so I can still make a living.  Oddly I am confused a bit by tastes and smells.

As for my brother, still wrapping things up for his estate. 

The summer holds promise.  What more can any of us ask.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Appreciate that Bob.  I'm doing well for a guy who had a tumor removed from his temporal lobe.  Sometimes I find myself searching a bit for words, especially in other languages, but I'm pretty solid.  Also my balance and depth perception seem a bit off, but coming along.  Hoping to kayak and fish next weekend and maybe be back to Aikido by the fall, maybe.  I don't know if I can return to litigating or teaching, but I can still read a contract so I can still make a living.  Oddly I am confused a bit by tastes and smells.

As for my brother, still wrapping things up for his estate. 

The summer holds promise.  What more can any of us ask.

Dang man.  If it makes you feel any better I often find myself looking for the words, English words, and am generally off balance and have poor perception on many levels and that's without a tumor.  Hang in there brother and have fun this summer.

 

[tonydead]

Spoiler

The last 3 episodes are titled Slip, Fall and Lantern.

From the preview synopsis it's pretty clear that Slip and Fall are Slippin' Jimmy going back to his old ways and running cons because he is desperate for money.  Lantern had me confused last night when I was tired, but, this morning I remembered Chuck's Colemen lantern on the news papers.  Seems like Chuck will either undo himself or the lantern is used as cover up for whomever does his undoing and that is how the season ends.  Didn't seem like the Nacho/Hector story or the Kim story gets resolved so this is most definitely heading for at least one more season imo.  

 

[Tiger Fan]

A little slower, but still a good episode.  

Thought it was out of place for Jimmy to say "You believe me, right?" to Kim there.  It wasn't really called for, and I didn't detect any sense of disbelief on her face (although I clearly could've missed something).  

 

[shadyridr]

So the thing mike asked nacho for was the location of the body of the good Samaritan so that the family could have closure, right?

 

[Tiger Fan]

So the thing mike asked nacho for was the location of the body of the good Samaritan so that the family could have closure, right?

that's what we can infer

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

When Chuck is conning the Psychiatrist she says he should modulate his expectations.  She meant moderate.  That bothered me.

Jimmy and Kim both know it is over but neither wants to have the conversation.

Howard still wants to do Kim even while being pissed at her.

Hector sees and hears everything.  He knows Nacho goofed around with the pills.

The In House Counsel for the Bank is worthless.

Waiting to see if Jimmy established an ongoing relationship with the drug dealer he got off of community service.

Mike sure has a lot of vehicles. 

 

[Tiger Fan]

When Chuck is conning the Psychiatrist she says he should modulate his expectations.  She meant moderate.  That bothered me.

Jimmy and Kim both know it is over but neither wants to have the conversation.

Howard still wants to do Kim even while being pissed at her.

Hector sees and hears everything.  He knows Nacho goofed around with the pills.

The In House Counsel for the Bank is worthless.

Waiting to see if Jimmy established an ongoing relationship with the drug dealer he got off of community service.

Mike sure has a lot of vehicles. 

This would be interesting.  Nacho wasn't ever in BB right?  

 

[Uwe Blab]

This would be interesting.  Nacho wasn't ever in BB right?  

No, but he was mentioned briefly by Saul.