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***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (2 Viewers)

I would love if Chuck resorted to pulling some legal stunt like Jimmy would to win his case against HHM. And when he realizes he is no better than Jimmy, his whole world crashes down around him. he is no longer able to ward off the evil electricity, and he dies in agony, alone.

 
psychobillies said:
Jimmy realized HHM was holding out for more $$ with no concern about the clients all being very old and likely to die before they see any money.  Sure he needed his too, but Irene and co. probably don't have 5-10 years to wait for a settlement.  This was the only way he could make Irene go against the lawyers at HHM. 
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This was pretty obvious but I hate the way he handled it.

 
skillz said:
It's gonna be a bad ending for Chuck.  The firm he built doesn't want him back.  He either settles for money and leaves the firm, or he returns to a firm that doesn't want him. 

Plus he is still struggling with his mental illness.  Not having any hope of returning to the firm will only exacerbate his demise since he views his true calling in life to be a respected lawyer.  That has been taken from him and the lawsuit he is threatening to file won't bring that back for him.  Jimmy isn't going to be around to help him either when the firm isn't there to support him any longer. 
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Chuck kills himself, but I've been wrong from the start on this show.

 
elbowrm said:
The client said he would prefer to have it done in two weeks so he didn't have to pay the taxes.  You're not very good at watching tv.
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No he didn't. Kim is the one who said by offering to pay damages he doesn't get hit with the taxes and doesn't have to lease the land rights. He then responded if he doesn't get it rapped up by the end of the quarter the tax boys will tear him apart. Kim then said "That's in two weeks.... I can do it". The client bought what Kim sold him.

The client is probably better off with a lawyer negotiating lease rights with New Mexico, which would include what fair share of taxes Texas gets and what fair share of taxes NM gets, from his production, instead of continuing to pay Texas full tax on every gallon plus paying NM damages. But Kim doesn't have time for what's best for him. She led him to believe the quick solution that is best for her is best for him.  

 
Politician Spock said:
No he didn't. Kim is the one who said by offering to pay damages he doesn't get hit with the taxes and doesn't have to lease the land rights. He then responded if he doesn't get it rapped up by the end of the quarter the tax boys will tear him apart. Kim then said "That's in two weeks.... I can do it". The client bought what Kim sold him.

The client is probably better off with a lawyer negotiating lease rights with New Mexico, which would include what fair share of taxes Texas gets and what fair share of taxes NM gets, from his production, instead of continuing to pay Texas full tax on every gallon plus paying NM damages. But Kim doesn't have time for what's best for him. She led him to believe the quick solution that is best for her is best for him.  
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Pretty sure the client mentioned the 2 week time frame, but I'd have to watch again to be sure. 

 
Politician Spock said:
No he didn't. Kim is the one who said by offering to pay damages he doesn't get hit with the taxes and doesn't have to lease the land rights. He then responded if he doesn't get it rapped up by the end of the quarter the tax boys will tear him apart. Kim then said "That's in two weeks.... I can do it". The client bought what Kim sold him.

The client is probably better off with a lawyer negotiating lease rights with New Mexico, which would include what fair share of taxes Texas gets and what fair share of taxes NM gets, from his production, instead of continuing to pay Texas full tax on every gallon plus paying NM damages. But Kim doesn't have time for what's best for him. She led him to believe the quick solution that is best for her is best for him.  
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I think it's important to understand this in the context of a TV show with writers and an audience.  If this is what the writers were going for they could have been a whole lot more obvious about it while still maintaining enough subtlety to be good drama.

Instead they showed us a version of Kim who was clearly tired and overworked in every scene she was in, made specific mention of her having not slept in the scene right before the crash, and used camera work that seemed indicative of someone falling asleep at the wheel.  I think it's much more likely that's what they were going for than some kind of interior monologue about her similarities to Jimmy that would only be apparent to a small subsection of folks that have both a masters degree in literature and a law degree to understand both those deep themes as well as the intricacies of the deal she was working for the oil guy.

 
Politician Spock said:
No he didn't. Kim is the one who said by offering to pay damages he doesn't get hit with the taxes and doesn't have to lease the land rights. He then responded if he doesn't get it rapped up by the end of the quarter the tax boys will tear him apart. Kim then said "That's in two weeks.... I can do it". The client bought what Kim sold him.

The client is probably better off with a lawyer negotiating lease rights with New Mexico, which would include what fair share of taxes Texas gets and what fair share of taxes NM gets, from his production, instead of continuing to pay Texas full tax on every gallon plus paying NM damages. But Kim doesn't have time for what's best for him. She led him to believe the quick solution that is best for her is best for him.  
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I think you're half right. I think she's having some guilt about her approach, not on behalf of her client, but on behalf of the other side of the deal. It's the "more than fair" part of her spiel to the other party that she was hung up on. The deal's good for her client, but probably not ideal for the other party. She might be making the association between how she's cutting corners to get what she and her client want regardless of what it means for the other party and the way Jimmy treats people who are in the way of getting what he wants. It's an interesting take, and one that is definitely well within the standard depth of operation these writers have exhibited throughout these series.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
I think it's important to understand this in the context of a TV show with writers and an audience.  If this is what the writers were going for they could have been a whole lot more obvious about it while still maintaining enough subtlety to be good drama.

Instead they showed us a version of Kim who was clearly tired and overworked in every scene she was in, made specific mention of her having not slept in the scene right before the crash, and used camera work that seemed indicative of someone falling asleep at the wheel.  I think it's much more likely that's what they were going for than some kind of interior monologue about her similarities to Jimmy that would only be apparent to a small subsection of folks that have both a masters degree in literature and a law degree to understand both those deep themes as well as the intricacies of the deal she was working for the oil guy.
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She kept trying to repeat "we believe this offer is more than fair" without chocking on her words, then went silent, then crashed.

Pretty obvious to me she's uneasy about the offer. 

 
Walking Boot said:
Would they really have had to wait that long? I thought that Jimmy was only going through this from a side angle because of his bar suspension. Once his year is up, can't he just straight up say "Irene, take the money" when he can practice again?
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HHM has the case. They offered Jimmy 20% since he brought it in. Jimmy doesn't have the final say in this.

 
Walking Boot said:
Correct, but he can advise and offer legal advice once he's reinstated, right? It seemed like Irene was flat out asking him what to do, and that he was making every effort to not say it directly. I thought the impediment was his bar suspension, which would certainly restrict him from giving advice. Once he's back in good standings, certainly a citizen like Irene can listen to his opinion, whether he's the attorney of record or not, right?
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I may be wrong, but I thought Jimmy didn't have the hammer in this (though, Irene does; hence his play last week). He basically gave HHM the rights and just gets some juice if/when it settles. He's not the counsel for this case anymore.

 
Walking Boot said:
 It seemed like Irene was flat out asking him what to do, and that he was making every effort to not say it directly. I thought the impediment was his bar suspension, which would certainly restrict him from giving advice.
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This is correct.  He even says directly to her something to the affect "I am not a practicing attorney at the moment so you should just go with your heart"

 
NewlyRetired said:
I think she was just asking his advice.  She probably has no understanding of who is allowed to do what in that case in terms of advice.
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Exactly. That's what I was trying to say above. Jimmy has no legal hammer on this, but he knows Irene can make HHM settle. And Jimmy knows Irene likes him. This has nothing to do with Jimmy's suspension - he had already given away his ability to lead the case.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Exactly. That's what I was trying to say above. Jimmy has no legal hammer on this, but he knows Irene can make HHM settle. And Jimmy knows Irene likes him. This has nothing to do with Jimmy's suspension - he had already given away his ability to lead the case.
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If Jimmy was not suspended and she asked him his advice maybe could he have done more than "practicing attorney at the moment so you should just go with your heart" with his advice?

 
Am I losing my mind here? Jimmy's not the attorney on this case anymore, right? He got a cut since he brought it in, but he has no legal say how it gets settled.

Maybe I misunderstood that entire storeyline :shrug:

 
Is the question of whether Jimmy can give Irene legal advice really the most important issue here? 

I mean, how in the hell did he convince Sandpiper to let him host their Bingo tournament again? He had a f'ing meltdown doing it last time, let alone the tens of millions they're being sued for because of him. 

Jimmy: "Hey Sandpiper, I wanna host Bingo again."

Sandpiper: "GO #### YOURSELF!"

 
Uruk-Hai said:
Am I losing my mind here? Jimmy's not the attorney on this case anymore, right? He got a cut since he brought it in, but he has no legal say how it gets settled.

Maybe I misunderstood that entire storeyline :shrug:
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I think you understand the story line perfectly, but are not really following what we are saying in regards to Irene.  Walking Boot described it perfectly above.

It has nothing to do with how it gets settled, it has everything to do with advice.  Jimmy is going through the entire charade with her because he can't give her direct advice as a second opinion which anyone in Irene's case is free to search out from anyone she wants.  Jimmy is just in the odd spot where he can't give the advice even though he wants to.

 
Politician Spock said:
Is the question of whether Jimmy can give Irene legal advice really the most important issue here? 

I mean, how in the hell did he convince Sandpiper to let him host their Bingo tournament again? He had a f'ing meltdown doing it last time, let alone the tens of millions they're being sued for because of him. 

Jimmy: "Hey Sandpiper, I wanna host Bingo again."

Sandpiper: "GO #### YOURSELF!"
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: phone rings :

Sandpiper: "Thanks for calling Sandpiper.  To find out if your loved one died this week, please press 7.  Otherwise, how can I help you?"

Jimmy:  "Hey, Saul Goodman here, I'd love to host Bingo for you."

Sandpiper: "Whatever, anything to keep the old coots occupied.  Hope you're better than the last guy."

 
I loved the way Howard dealt with Jimmy in the garage. If I had seen that scene in S1 I would have thought "What a Richard", but at this point I'm on his side.

 
Also, she fell asleep at the wheel. Jimmy even asked her to stay and celebrate with him since she'd pulled an all-nighter.

 
kupcho1 said:
Why didn't Jimmy just tell Irene to settle?
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I don't know what the rules are in real life but they seem to set up in this episode that Jimmy was afraid to give any sort of legal advice in fear that he would get in trouble with the bar again.

I don't know if that is what the writers intended but that is what I got out of it when he said "I am not a practicing lawyer right now"

 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
I loved the way Howard dealt with Jimmy in the garage. If I had seen that scene in S1 I would have thought "What a Richard", but at this point I'm on his side.
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the best part of that scene was that you could tell Jimmy legitimately wanted to take the money that Howard was holding.

 
Ghost Rider said:
Agreed.  They really made liking Jimmy a lot more difficult after that.  Conning an elderly lady to where all of her friends turn on her to serve your end is a total **** move. 
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He's been a #### and taking advantage of people the entire series. He's not a "good" guy.

 
Politician Spock said:
Exactly. She knows the deal is better for them than it is for her client so that it benefits her situation. It's a Jimmy move. 
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???

Sounds more like a sales technique. "More than fair" sounds better than "fair offer". You always want the other person to feel like they're getting the better end of the deal.

 
Charlie Harper said:
???

Sounds more like a sales technique. "More than fair" sounds better than "fair offer". You always want the other person to feel like they're getting the better end of the deal.
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I don't disagree that it's a sales technique. I believe by saying it out loud, it caused her to realize what she was doing and what she had become. 

 
Politician Spock said:
I don't disagree that it's a sales technique. I believe by saying it out loud, it caused her to realize what she was doing and what she had become. 
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I think you think, she's ripping off her client, but I still think she has her clients best internet in mind. He's the one that wanted an expedited solution.

The writers have been portraying her as a hot shot think outside the box lawyer. To me she serves as the contrast to Jimmy as a lawyer who bends the laws/ethics but doesn't break them.

 
Charlie Harper said:
I think you think, she's ripping off her client, but I still think she has her clients best internet in mind. He's the one that wanted an expedited solution.

The writers have been portraying her as a hot shot think outside the box lawyer. To me she serves as the contrast to Jimmy as a lawyer who bends the laws/ethics but doesn't break them.
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I think she is attracted to Jimmy because she as a person is very similar to him. but she knows that she doesn't want to be the kind of lawyer he is. 

He may want an expedited solution, but that doesn't mean that solution is in his best interests. Realizing she is being the kind of lawyer Jimmy is will be the reason she ends the relationship. 

 
Politician Spock said:
I don't disagree that it's a sales technique. I believe by saying it out loud, it caused her to realize what she was doing and what she had become. 
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So it is either

1. Pulled an all-nighter, got sleepy, ran off the road OR

2. Ran off the road intentionally as a result of self loathing generated by practicing her speech for her client's opposition.

And you think it's 2?

:lmao:

 
Politician Spock said:
I think she is attracted to Jimmy because she as a person is very similar to him. but she knows that she doesn't want to be the kind of lawyer he is. 

He may want an expedited solution, but that doesn't mean that solution is in his best interests. Realizing she is being the kind of lawyer Jimmy is will be the reason she ends the relationship. 
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Do you actually watch the show?

 
kupcho1 said:
So it is either

1. Pulled an all-nighter, got sleepy, ran off the road OR

2. Ran off the road intentionally as a result of self loathing generated by practicing her speech for her client's opposition.

And you think it's 2?

:lmao:
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WTF?!?

Please link to where I said she ran of the road intentionally.

I think when she realized she was being a lawyer like Jimmy her mind got distracted from driving, combined with the fact she was so tired, she dazed off. 

 
kupcho1 said:
Why didn't Jimmy just tell Irene to settle?
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I'm pretty sure he can't give legal advice while on probation.  If HHM caught wind that Jimmy was the one who gave her advice to settle, they could easily get his sentence extended.  So he was vague and told her to go with her heart - hoping that enough precedent has set to convince her to do so.

 
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also in the last episode, I don't really think Kim is attractive, but she did look pretty good in the jeans. maybe after the accident, we'll get an open-in-the-back hospital gown flash. 

 
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