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***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (2 Viewers)

wikkidpissah said:
It works, but Howard's the last link. Wife, brother, partner. Nobody...............................................................nobody left. Only the law left and the only place the law actually works is in his head.

I'm a loner like Chuck. Done my thing already, dont like doing justOK what i used to do great, can't spark anybody up but old fat chicks anymore - ick, nobody love me like I can. A 5-star holiday resort of mental constructs in my head, don't need anyone, so the semi-close ones i've allowed to fall away. Figured i'd spend a year or two helping my mom die right - been here 4 yrs already, mom didnt die, dad's lost his marbles, stuck with the husks of two people i've always loved but never liked. No compelling reason to get up - the necessary reasons are the butts to wipe & rants to interrupt of people who lost their value even longer ago than i did. I got my talent with thoughts & words and the massive inner scaffolding i've built from my interest in what makes people tick, but i could see a Schumann's note bringing it all crashing down.

JPeterman just bought all Kramers stories, there's a current won't go out, no one to reach out to but a lantern. bye -
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The law firm disaster - protracted struggle & drama which Chuck would have relished like the old days, followed by personal humiliation & naked exposure, followed by public humiliation, followed by total cutting of the cord - was the other piece, I agree. That lantern though, it was symbolic, it was his last connection to his youth and his love of his brother, which was real. When he was young, the light was on, at the end the light went out and he snuffed it just as he snuffed the love for & of his brother. That lecture he delivered to his brother, who is self-destructive just like him, but in a different way, was his own epitaph.

Much respect for your personal thoughts. I won't comment, but I will say at times I have been there. - SID

 
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Great episode. Jimmy saying he has to find another way of doing business was clever. I always figured he changed his name due to his hatred of chuck. 

Chuck saying he never really cared for him was just ice cold. #### man. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
It was Jimmy that sent him into his tailspin. Given the beginning of the show I assumed he had some sort of major guilt going on on with Jimmy. Something made him crazy, he couldn't take it anymore, including the guilt or stress of living with Jimmy whom he could not defeat, so he killed himself and the lantern at the end was like the lantern at the beginning.

Too simple?
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When Chuck "broke" his marriage, removing electricity from around him was his mind trying to "fix" it.

When Chuck "broke" his relationship with Howard, and then his brother, again removing electricity from around him was his mind trying to "fix" it. 

What he did to Howard and his brother however were far worse than what he did to his wife. He still had a friendly relationship with his wife, but he completely destroyed the relationships with Howard and his brother, as well as his career. No matter how hard his mind tried to "fix" it, it wasn't enough to bring him peace. 

 
wikkidpissah said:
It works, but Howard's the last link. Wife, brother, partner. Nobody...............................................................nobody left. Only the law left and the only place the law actually works is in his head.

I'm a loner like Chuck. Done my thing already, dont like doing justOK what i used to do great, can't spark anybody up but old fat chicks anymore - ick, nobody love me like I can. A 5-star holiday resort of mental constructs in my head, don't need anyone, so the semi-close ones i've allowed to fall away. Figured i'd spend a year or two helping my mom die right - been here 4 yrs already, mom didnt die, dad's lost his marbles, stuck with the husks of two people i've always loved but never liked. No compelling reason to get up - the necessary reasons are the butts to wipe & rants to interrupt of people who lost their value even longer ago than i did. I got my talent with thoughts & words and the massive inner scaffolding i've built from my interest in what makes people tick, but i could see a Schumann's note bringing it all crashing down.

(Howard) Peterman just bought all (Chuck) Kramers stories for 8mil, there's a current won't go out, no one to reach out to but a lantern. bye -
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Holy cry for help Batman

 
Watched it on the app bc I was traveling and half asleep.  Didn't see the suicide number at the end.

Never mind 

 
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This show is really good, but it's nowhere near BB level. The Gus/Mike/Salamanca storyline is much more enjoyable to watch than the Jimmy/Chuck/Kim stuff IMO. 

 
Scoresman said:
The reason Gus was trying to save Hector is the same reason he wouldn't let Mike kill him.  He said earlier this season he wants Hector to to die a much more painful and slow death.  My spanish is rusty but I'm pretty sure he was saying "Don't die yet, #######" as he was giving him CPR.
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Fateful decision based on what we know of their future, inextricably linked ultimate ends.

Definite homage to the end of the Coppola film The Conversation, with Chuck having a Gene Hackman moment.

 
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Wingnut said:
This show is really good, but it's nowhere near BB level. The Gus/Mike/Salamanca storyline is much more enjoyable to watch than the Jimmy/Chuck/Kim stuff IMO. 
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Yes. Just enjoy it for what it is. Just because I go to a fine steak house doesn't mean I can't enjoy some greasy slop from a food truck.

 
A very good season but there was one thing that in the finale I didn't agree with.

I don't feel that Jimmy screwed over the elderly ladies by making sure that they settled the lawsuit. Dragging out the lawsuit for a little more money seemed like more of a crime. At that age, their ability to be able to enjoy the money (by traveling or increasing possessions, etc.)  decreases pretty quickly. Better to get $1 million when you can enjoy some of it then $2 million when you can't. I think they could have come up with some other way to have Jimmy fall out of favor, thus helping Irene get her friends back.

 
We don't watch previews and watch it on DVR the next night, so we had no clue this was the finale.  Was not ready for this to be over already.   :kicksrock:  

How in the holy hell did they find that perfect casting of young Chuck?  Crazy!

@Kim if you're reading this - will you marry me? :wub:  

 
Adios Chuck - I've had enough of the electricity shtick & I don't think we need more of him. There are enough interesting characters I'd rather them spend more time on. Outside of Mike not appearing in the finale, I thought it was a good episode. 

 
Ned said:
We don't watch previews and watch it on DVR the next night, so we had no clue this was the finale.  Was not ready for this to be over already.   :kicksrock:  

How in the holy hell did they find that perfect casting of young Chuck?  Crazy!

@Kim if you're reading this - will you marry me? :wub:  
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I didn't realize until I noticed it said "finale" on the bottom right corner of the screen, wasn't ready for the season to end either. 

 
Wingnut said:
This show is really good, but it's nowhere near BB level. The Gus/Mike/Salamanca storyline is much more enjoyable to watch than the Jimmy/Chuck/Kim stuff IMO. 
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 I couldn't disagree any more strongly with you.  Obviously there isn't' a right or wrong here, but to me, there's a known resolution with respect to Gus/Mike/hector that there is not with the other characters, other than that we know Jimmy becomes Saul, and now, perhaps Chuck.  Frankly, i look at my phone and check facebook during the Nacho/Gus/Gus scenes. 

 
I read an article about the finale that basically said that since another season hasnt been picked up yet the writers wanted to loosely tie up all the ends in case that was the series finale.

It makes sense as we know the outcome of hector, how mike is now working with Gus, why Jimmy becomes Saul and the fate of Chuck.  Also it implied that Saul died in the Cinnabon so that wrapped up that end as well.  Pretty good if you ask me.

 
Maybe it's a testament to how they do her regular make-up on the show, but for some reason I thought Kim was much more attractive with all the "accident" make-up on her face.

Can I add "Car Accident Kim Wexler" to the "Women You Find Oddly Attractive" thread?

 
pantherclub said:
I read an article about the finale that basically said that since another season hasnt been picked up yet the writers wanted to loosely tie up all the ends in case that was the series finale.

It makes sense as we know the outcome of hector, how mike is now working with Gus, why Jimmy becomes Saul and the fate of Chuck.  Also it implied that Saul died in the Cinnabon so that wrapped up that end as well.  Pretty good if you ask me.
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They write each season from scratch and don't know where the next season goes when the previous one ends. They've always done this. There will obviously be another season. 

 
The Noid said:
Maybe it's a testament to how they do her regular make-up on the show, but for some reason I thought Kim was much more attractive with all the "accident" make-up on her face.

Can I add "Car Accident Kim Wexler" to the "Women You Find Oddly Attractive" thread?
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YES!....

Something about her.

 
Re. Howard

Is a #####?....or just a good guy with a bad delivery?

I have to imagine that A) him paying for Chucks buyout and B) the farewell in the foyer were him just being a bit of a ####.....but the farewell was the right thing to do and he went above and beyond in regards to the money.  I know in the first season they portrayed him as someone they wanted you to think was a antagonist......but I actually liked the guy.

 
Thunderlips said:
Re. Howard

Is a #####?....or just a good guy with a bad delivery?

I have to imagine that A) him paying for Chucks buyout and B) the farewell in the foyer were him just being a bit of a ####.....but the farewell was the right thing to do and he went above and beyond in regards to the money.  I know in the first season they portrayed him as someone they wanted you to think was a antagonist......but I actually liked the guy.
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Yeah, as always, in this universe he's a complicated character.  He did what you said as a positive, but was always a bunghole and petty to Kim.

No black and white, except someone like Tuco. 

 
Mr. Mojo said:
A very good season but there was one thing that in the finale I didn't agree with.

I don't feel that Jimmy screwed over the elderly ladies by making sure that they settled the lawsuit. Dragging out the lawsuit for a little more money seemed like more of a crime. At that age, their ability to be able to enjoy the money (by traveling or increasing possessions, etc.)  decreases pretty quickly. Better to get $1 million when you can enjoy some of it then $2 million when you can't. I think they could have come up with some other way to have Jimmy fall out of favor, thus helping Irene get her friends back.
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I got the impression that there was more than just a little more money being left on the table for the sake of Jimmy to get his money now.

If not then he could have went about it exactly the same to get Irene off the hook with her friends by calling out the lawyer from Davis & Main and accusing her of misleading the old lady to drag the settlement out so the law firms made more money.

 
wikkidpissah said:
It's what makes him such a fascinating character - Gus would have had no problem tying the Jefe to a chair, lancing his cojones with a boltcutter and cramming em down his throat, but not attempting CPR would have been indecent.
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I am thinking Gus has Nacho killed.  He seemed to piece together that Nacho did something with Hector's pills.  He is going to view Nacho as being disloyal and as someone he does not want to continue doing business with.  Gus is ruthless.  The irony will be if he has Mike do it. 

 
Rich Conway said:
I must have missed the Cinnabon thing.  What's the latest there?
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In the very first scene of season 3 a despondent "Gene" keels over at work while glazing a fresh batch of buns.

In the very last scene of season 3 a despondent Chuck kicks over the lantern and appears to commit suicide.

I think the parallels are obvious. Both have lost their family, loved ones and professions. The both lost everything that was dear to them and only have themselves to blame.

 
Mr. Mojo said:
A very good season but there was one thing that in the finale I didn't agree with.

I don't feel that Jimmy screwed over the elderly ladies by making sure that they settled the lawsuit. Dragging out the lawsuit for a little more money seemed like more of a crime. At that age, their ability to be able to enjoy the money (by traveling or increasing possessions, etc.)  decreases pretty quickly. Better to get $1 million when you can enjoy some of it then $2 million when you can't. I think they could have come up with some other way to have Jimmy fall out of favor, thus helping Irene get her friends back.
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I agree, but in the context of the show, maybe the writers feel Jimmy getting that big payoff hurts the journey to Saul?? Why do that whole bit when you have a few mil? He and Kim can just forever watch movies while she struts around in those glorious pj's.

Maybe this sets us up for the end... Cinnabon... someone comes looking for "jimmy"... uh oh, he's found... and it's his HHM payoff that finally came. Happy ending for our hero!! (ok, maybe not.)

 
Thunderlips said:
Re. Howard

Is a #####?....or just a good guy with a bad delivery?

I have to imagine that A) him paying for Chucks buyout and B) the farewell in the foyer were him just being a bit of a ####.....but the farewell was the right thing to do and he went above and beyond in regards to the money.  I know in the first season they portrayed him as someone they wanted you to think was a antagonist......but I actually liked the guy.
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He's fair but cutthroat. The only reason he seemed like a sick in the first season is because Chuck didn't have the heart to tell Jimmy he didn't want him to be a lawyer.

 
skillz said:
I am thinking Gus has Nacho killed.  He seemed to piece together that Nacho did something with Hector's pills.  He is going to view Nacho as being disloyal and as someone he does not want to continue doing business with.  Gus is ruthless.  The irony will be if he has Mike do it. 
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why am i thinking Nacho & Howard went on Talking Saul to improve their visibility on behalf of their declining S4 prospects

 
jwb said:
I agree, but in the context of the show, maybe the writers feel Jimmy getting that big payoff hurts the journey to Saul?? Why do that whole bit when you have a few mil? He and Kim can just forever watch movies while she struts around in those glorious pj's.

Maybe this sets us up for the end... Cinnabon... someone comes looking for "jimmy"... uh oh, he's found... and it's his HHM payoff that finally came. Happy ending for our hero!! (ok, maybe not.)
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i didn't think those pjs were all that gl......................oh, i get where you're going there. dont have to knock me over the head with lounging stank or nothin....

 
Apparently I'm not too good at watching TV ...

Can someone explain why Kim (and Jimmy) had to give up the office and secretary? 

Jimmys gettin paid from the Sandpiper settlement. So his half of the office rent / secratary is set for a while.

Because she broke her arm, she could no longer lawyer? Jimmy is doing nothing for 12 months ... use his arm.

Did Kim lose her lawyering licence when she had the car accident?

Were we to assume that she lost the Mesa Verde account because of the accident?

Did Kim just up and quit?

 
Bossman said:
Apparently I'm not too good at watching TV ...

Can someone explain why Kim (and Jimmy) had to give up the office and secretary? 

Jimmys gettin paid from the Sandpiper settlement. So his half of the office rent / secratary is set for a while.

Because she broke her arm, she could no longer lawyer? Jimmy is doing nothing for 12 months ... use his arm.

Did Kim lose her lawyering licence when she had the car accident?

Were we to assume that she lost the Mesa Verde account because of the accident?

Did Kim just up and quit?
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Jimmy isn't getting the settlement anymore. Did you miss the whole yoga scene? Kim can still lawyer. She decided to take a break for awhile because she wore herself thin. She's still mesa Verde lawyer but that's not enough to pay the bills. 

 
Walking Boot said:
She didn't lose Mesa Verde. But she did lose Gatwood Oil. She decided she doesn't have the time to serve more than one big client. Mesa Verde going from a mid-size state bank to a mid-size regional bank will take all her time, but, not pay her enough to cover Jimmy's share of the office space now that he can't practice. So she referred Gatwood to a new law firm to cover his oil field issues. Kim decided she will only work for Mesa Verde from now on. She can do that from home and doesn't need office space.

After Jimmy's overheard conversation with the chair yoga ladies, he went outside to talk to the HHM lawyer who's in charge of the case, and told her he expects the old ladies will call her within an hour to tell her they don't want to settle anymore. So, he's not getting paid anytime soon.
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What I don't get is why can't Jimmy help her with all the office work (research, etc) and just let her do the face-to-face lawyering?  Is that not allowed while not recognized by the bar?

 
My Off the Wall prediction Howard asks Kim back two hhm and Jimmy feels like that betrays him and that's how it ends with those two

 
belljr said:
My Off the Wall prediction Howard asks Kim back two hhm and Jimmy feels like that betrays him and that's how it ends with those two
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I figure Kim dies due to an unanticipated toxic reaction between some off brand Doritos and jalepeno cheese dip that Jimmy buys for her. Jimmy attempts a class action suit against the food purveyor, but they catch him squat cobbling to make a living now that Kim's gone and they pressure him to settle for a lifetime supply of their surplus, non-quality controlled cheese curls. This finally breaks him and he becomes Saul.

 
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