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***Official "Space Blanket" for Better Call Saul*** (3 Viewers)

Apparently (per the podcast) a muzak version of Winner Takes it all was on in tte cell phone store when Jimmy found out about his dead sandpiper client. 

 
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I just have trouble buying Jimmy could be so oblivious to how he looks to Kim.

I would have preferred Jimmy just straight sabotaging the relationship feeling he is no good for her.  It would have been more tragic that Jimmy couldn't even believe in himself.

 
I haven't seen the last episode yet...just went on to Spectrum Primetime On Demand, but it is not so "On Demand" as yesterday's episode is not available yet.  But there is an entire series of Better Call Saul: Madrigal Electromotive Security Training.  WTF?  They are 2 minute videos with animation featuring Mike talking about security issues.  

 
Capella said:
No they haven’t said. Some interviews with somebody high up on the show (not Gilligan,, but I forget who) said they are closer to the end than the beginning and they are having those discussions with amc.

No way they end it next year imo. I would guess 6 seasons. 
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Odenkirk would only be able to do Gene in the retirement home scenes.

 
Has Kim been placed on the offdee scale?  I assume very early in the series but not gonna hunt it down. I’m going 7.5

 
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When my kids are old enough to watch BB, I wonder if I should tell them to watch BCS first (assuming it's done). Does BCS work only knowing the events of BB, or could one watch it as a chronology, first BCS then BB? (I've watched both, I'm just asking in a "what order should I watch the Star Wars movies" sense.)

 
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cap'n grunge said:
Auf Wiedersehen is goodbye. Goodbye rock. And foreshadowing... goodbye Werner.
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In last week’s episode, I thought briefly that Werner was gonna blow himself up because he couldn’t bear to be away from his wife, and didn’t see a way out. But then he steadied himself and was like “get it together, man” and decided to escape. 

But I guess that doesn’t really jive with the last episode, because apparently he thought he could waltz back in, like “sorry, dudes”.

 
Daywalker said:
I just have trouble buying Jimmy could be so oblivious to how he looks to Kim.

I would have preferred Jimmy just straight sabotaging the relationship feeling he is no good for her.  It would have been more tragic that Jimmy couldn't even believe in himself.
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Really?  After 3 seasons showing how self absorbed he is and how good he is with relationships?  

 
tonydead said:
Straw that broke the camel's back. It was brilliant. 
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Totally agree.  Everything about this show is cumulative.  I think that is a part of why they often show flashbacks to earlier parts in Jimmy's life.  His whole story is tragic.  He's got a good heart and is essentially a pretty good guy.  Hard working (Charlie Hustle) and not afraid to roll his sleeves up to get something done (dumpster diving for shredded evidence etc).  Time after time, it just seems that the universe is aligned to see him fail.  I always think to that one scene when he's selling advertising to the music store.  Him sitting out front, totally despondent.  The young UNM girl offers to give her share back to him.  He declines, saying she's earned it, but you could just see how miserable he is. 

Anyway, I think it's been a slow burn, and quite intentional.  I too was a bit disappointed by the finale...it just seemed some scenes seemed to linger longer than they needed to.  Slow and steady, life beating Jimmy down.  The board turning him down last week, Jimmy's epiphany that despite what everyone else thinks, he doesn't give a hoot about his dead brother (and in my opinion, rightfully so), and him having to jump thru so many hoops to get his license back when he did everything that was asked of him during his suspension is what set him up to break bad.  The scene with the "shoplifter" is what set his tragic decline in cement.  It was all about him, not her.  His speech to her, all of it.  It was like he was talking to a younger version of himself, trying to give her the advice nobody gave him.  Like you say, it was brilliant and to me, the best part of the finale. 

I think next season is going to be much darker than the prior years. Jimmy was so giddy about suckering the board and being able to finally go by Saul Goodman.  I think he was genuinely oblivious to Kim's reaction.  He simply doesn't care what anyone thinks, even Kim.  It will bother him when she says something or he realizes, but it won't take long for him to move on.  The tragic part is going to watch how he dismantles his life up to this point next season.  I think it's going to be ugly.  It has to.  While the season has funny parts to it, the story is like a Greek tragedy.  We're up to the tragic part.  Should be fun to watch.  Painful, but fun.

 
Really enjoyed the season & especially good to go to this thread & compare thoughts & get questions answered.

I'm saying thanks & kudos to all.

Note:  A new season of True Detective is coming up.

 
phandango said:
When my kids are old enough to watch BB, I wonder if I should tell them to watch BCS first (assuming it's done). Does BCS work only knowing the events of BB, or could one watch it as a chronology, first BCS then BB? (I've watched both, I'm just asking in a "what order should I watch the Star Wars movies" sense.)
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Let you know if a few years.

 
Walking Boot said:
I guess what really surprised me about Kim's reaction to finding out Jimmy was scamming the board is: he used his dead brother's grave as a prop to get this whole thing started with the "customers". The fake tears and flowers and the whole thing. She saw the absolute depravity of his act from the very beginning, how could she not see that the final speech was just as much a scam?
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This was my initial thought as well...

BigJim® said:
I get that. OTOH, she asked him at the cemetery if he was ok and his reply was a bit toned down/sarcastic, which may have fed her perception/(hope?) that Jimmy just internalizes pain, and the floodgates will open eventually. At a minimum, it showed she still believes it did cause him pain. His reaction in the hallway after the hearing, calling the panel suckers and bragging about the conquest didn't leave much to doubt... he really and truly does not care at all.
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..but then yep, I think we witnessed the moment she realized exactly how many ####s Jimmy gives, which is zero. 

 
Daywalker said:
I just have trouble buying Jimmy could be so oblivious to how he looks to Kim.

I would have preferred Jimmy just straight sabotaging the relationship feeling he is no good for her.  It would have been more tragic that Jimmy couldn't even believe in himself.
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I don't think that he was oblivious to it. I think it was that he just didn't care any more. 

 
comfortably numb said:
Walter white picked the name Heisenberg as in the german scientist...the german scientist Werner Heisenberg 
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Struck me as odd that he chose a physicist as opposed to a chemist, but perhaps the concept of uncertainty especially appealed to him.

Myself, I would have gone with Huizenga.

 
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wikkidpissah said:
By telling us that, you may have unwittingly influenced how we look at the entire BB/BCS franchise, which could impact the results of this thread. 
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The uncertainty principle is not the same thing as the observer effect.   Heisenberg would be more that if you determine exactly where Walter is at any given time, you're unable to tell where he's going and vice versa.

 
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The uncertainty principle is not the same thing as the observer effect.   Heisenberg would be more that if you determine exactly where Walter is at any given time, you're unable to tell where he's going and vice versa.
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sry - my physics-based jokes have always been hacky suckness. it's one of the things i hate most about myself. thx for str8ening me out - you will always be a big fallacy symbol to me

 
Watching Saul live makes those Gene/Cinnabon scenes so brutal. What a terrible existence he's made for himself at the end. 

 
Sebowski said:
Watching Saul live makes those Gene/Cinnabon scenes so brutal. What a terrible existence he's made for himself at the end. 
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Yup

Makes me wonder how Jimmy ends up.

Can he just schlep the rest of his life as a cinnabon manager or does he need to have some action in his life. 

Also seeing how Jimmy talked himself out of (and into) lots of situations i have such a greater appreciation for the scene where he became walt and jesses lawyer.

Begging for his life

Put a dollar in my pocket

You need a criminal lawyer

 
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I liked how Werner's request to Mike to let him walk out and look out at the stars before dying was akin to Mike telling Walt to #### so he could die in piece.

 
Seemed kind of stupid of Jimmy to tell that womanto get the form to change the name he was practicing under right after telling everybody he was going to make the McGill name proud. 

 
Ned said:
I forget what scene it was, but I noticed that too.  They're like at a 45 degree angle, seemingly all of a sudden??  It was one of those 'can't unsee' kinda things.  
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Me too.  I said to my wife that Kim must be part-vulcan.

 
phandango said:
When my kids are old enough to watch BB, I wonder if I should tell them to watch BCS first (assuming it's done). Does BCS work only knowing the events of BB, or could one watch it as a chronology, first BCS then BB? (I've watched both, I'm just asking in a "what order should I watch the Star Wars movies" sense.)
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To me, a big part of BCS's charm is knowing the overall story. I don't think this show has legs without knowing it.  

 
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Silver & Black said:
I think next season is going to be much darker than the prior years. Jimmy was so giddy about suckering the board and being able to finally go by Saul Goodman.  I think he was genuinely oblivious to Kim's reaction.  He simply doesn't care what anyone thinks, even Kim.  It will bother him when she says something or he realizes, but it won't take long for him to move on.  The tragic part is going to watch how he dismantles his life up to this point next season.  I think it's going to be ugly.  It has to.  While the season has funny parts to it, the story is like a Greek tragedy.  We're up to the tragic part.  Should be fun to watch.  Painful, but fun.
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I think the opposite. When we meet him in BB, he *loves* being Saul Goodman. He clearly loses Kim at some point, but I don't see much darkness unless we move forward to Gene. He hit rock bottom when he did the whole "they won't let you forget" part, and then crying in the car. He's on his way back up. 

 
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jwb said:
I think the opposite. When we meet him in BB, he *loves* being Saul Goodman. He clearly loses Kim at some point, but I don't see much darkness unless we move forward to Gene. He hit rock bottom when he did the whole "they won't let you forget" part, and then crying in the car. He's on his way back up. 
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Most likely the case .... but do we know that Kim is no longer in the picture during Breaking Bad?

Did they ever show Saul's home life? Maybe he's good at keeping her out of his business and vice versa?

I don't remember him having any "lady friends" ... so maybe he's in a committed relationship there.

 
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Bossman said:
Most likely the case .... but do we know that Kim is no longer in the picture during Breaking Bad?

Did they ever show Saul's home life? Maybe he's good at keeping her out of his business and vice versa?

I don't remember him having any "lady friends" ... so maybe he's in a committed relationship there.
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This could be a thing, except that he left quickly at the end, a little too quickly for someone in a long term relationship. So based on that, I would say they have to sever the relationship in BCS. 

 
Bossman said:
Most likely the case .... but do we know that Kim is no longer in the picture during Breaking Bad?

Did they ever show Saul's home life? Maybe he's good at keeping her out of his business and vice versa?

I don't remember him having any "lady friends" ... so maybe he's in a committed relationship there.
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there were few 'in flagrante delicto' sitches - wrapping up a happy ending, etc - from Saul's office in BB. and his layzay fare attitude clearly didnt speak of someone important at home.

 
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