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[nysfl2]

I just kept waiting for the point of this episode and by the end it just felt like a waste.

what's the point of any TV show?

They told a story within the same world of the overall story arc.

I mean, I guess I agree with that. There is an overall plot to this story though. Bill and Frank are such a small part to the story. They could have done a slice of life with Ellie and Joel traveling and it would have at least advanced some of the relationship between them. Which is crucial to the overall story.

Didn't the letter from Bill help to convince Joel to protect Ellie and get her where she needed to go? I mean, they could have just found the letter in the empty house without any of Bill's backstory, but the backstory makes the letter much more significant to us, the audience

 

[jobarules]

I just kept waiting for the point of this episode and by the end it just felt like a waste.

what's the point of any TV show?

They told a story within the same world of the overall story arc.

I mean, I guess I agree with that. There is an overall plot to this story though. Bill and Frank are such a small part to the story. They could have done a slice of life with Ellie and Joel traveling and it would have at least advanced some of the relationship between them. Which is crucial to the overall story.

Didn't the letter from Bill help to convince Joel to protect Ellie and get her where she needed to go? I mean, they could have just found the letter in the empty house without any of Bill's backstory, but the backstory makes the letter much more significant to us, the audience

I guess but wasnt he going there and protecting her anyway since he promised Tess? The letter didnt change anything.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

My .02 on the Bill storyline from a non-gamer:

1) I thought the acting was excellent. Everyone involved did a great job with the role.
2) I do like the slice of humanity/life to show what life may be like when you're not fighting zombies. Enjoyed the passage of time aspect as well.
3) Some aspects were indeed too unrealistic (Bill going Rambo in the open, Drinking Beaujolais after 20 years , for example)
4) I am certainly not homophobic, but it did feel "Forced" into the story.. like it was checking a "quota box" for modern Hollywood.
5) I agree with those who said it was odd to drop this type of episode in as Ep3, while core character arcs are still being laid out.

Overall I'll give it a B-. It was very good TV in a vacuum. However, gets dinged for feeling a touch disingenuous/forced, as well as for deviation in the scheme of the story and timing in the series.

Definitely not going to stop me from continuing to enjoy what is a great show so far.

I couldn’t have said it better if I tried. I know this because I did try. 100% spot on.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

For having everything planned so well… when the **** goes down you just stand in the middle of the road upright and try shooting a bunch of people.

Come on Bill, you are better than that.

This drove me nuts.

So so so stupid.

I loved it, it's one thing to be prepared but you never know how to act in a situation until your forced in to it and all the planning in the world isn't gonna help you.

 

[fruity pebbles]

For having everything planned so well… when the **** goes down you just stand in the middle of the road upright and try shooting a bunch of people.

Come on Bill, you are better than that.

This drove me nuts.

So so so stupid.

I loved it, it's one thing to be prepared but you never know how to act in a situation until your forced in to it and all the planning in the world isn't gonna help you.

I just took it as he was trying to protect Frank at all costs.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

He would have never walked into the street in the first place. He would have been perched up in a window or on the roof.

That whole scene seemed incredibly rushed/poorly done and in contrast to the entire episode, they didn’t spend enough time on it.

I can only speculate to why they didn’t have anyone around to consult.

 

[[icon]]

For having everything planned so well… when the **** goes down you just stand in the middle of the road upright and try shooting a bunch of people.

Come on Bill, you are better than that.

This drove me nuts.

So so so stupid.

I loved it, it's one thing to be prepared but you never know how to act in a situation until your forced in to it and all the planning in the world isn't gonna help you.

I dunno... He's obviously skilled/prepared. I fully expect things to not go according to plan if I am ever in a life or death scenario like that... but I can say with pretty high degree of certainty I'd lot run out from cover and try to play Scarface.

Sure he was trying to protect his home/Frank at all costs... but you don't run out on a suicide mission and try to stop a freight train by hand when there's a switch readily at hand to divert it on another track. My .02 as someone with likely one of the more firearms/prepper focused mindsets in this topic.

 

[beer 30]

Overall I'll give it a B-.

I want the [icon] "rate my prep" breakdown on this episode, screw the rest of the stuff.

 

[Schmeabs]

Episode 3. Wow. One of the best episodes of any series I've ever watched. Really, really enjoyed it.

You can't be serious

 

[BlackCrowes]

He would have never walked into the street in the first place. He would have been perched up in a window or on the roof.

That whole scene seemed incredibly rushed/poorly done and in contrast to the entire episode, they didn’t spend enough time on it.

I can only speculate to why they didn’t have anyone around to consult.

I thought he was drunk, but maybe not

 

[jobarules]

Episode 3. Wow. One of the best episodes of any series I've ever watched. Really, really enjoyed it.

You can't be serious

The hyperbole is ridiculous

 

[stbugs]

For having everything planned so well… when the **** goes down you just stand in the middle of the road upright and try shooting a bunch of people.

Come on Bill, you are better than that.

This drove me nuts.

So so so stupid.

The one flaw in the episode for me.

Oh, and there's no way Beaujolais lasts 20 years.

Agree with all of you that standing in the road getting shot and then saying the fence and fire will get the rest was super dumb.

Other than that I really enjoyed the episode, even if I wasn’t enthralled with the “first time.” I’m not going to throw out the whole I’ve got friends who are gay but as a heterosexual man of course I’d rather watch some hot college girl have sex than two of my friends. I’m sure gay guys would rather watch a hunky guy than two old women. The rest of the relationship stuff was great.

Have Bill taking the raiders out from a sniper position in his house and cutting the scene after the couple head nods and I’d have no criticisms.

 

[stbugs]

My .02 on the Bill storyline from a non-gamer:

1) I thought the acting was excellent. Everyone involved did a great job with the role.
2) I do like the slice of humanity/life to show what life may be like when you're not fighting zombies. Enjoyed the passage of time aspect as well.
3) Some aspects were indeed too unrealistic (Bill going Rambo in the open, Drinking Beaujolais after 20 years , for example)
4) I am certainly not homophobic, but it did feel "Forced" into the story.. like it was checking a "quota box" for modern Hollywood.
5) I agree with those who said it was odd to drop this type of episode in as Ep3, while core character arcs are still being laid out.

Overall I'll give it a B-. It was very good TV in a vacuum. However, gets dinged for feeling a touch disingenuous/forced, as well as for deviation in the scheme of the story and timing in the series.

Definitely not going to stop me from continuing to enjoy what is a great show so far.

On 4, I think it would have been absolutely fine without the bedroom stuff. I thought the relationship stuff was solid. The wine with the medicine. Frank getting sick. The strawberries. The paintings, especially the last one showing the progression. Those were great, but I don’t want to watch middle aged men bang even if I was gay. Those are my friends with beards. Eww.

 

[-fish-]

I just kept waiting for the point of this episode and by the end it just felt like a waste.

what's the point of any TV show?

They told a story within the same world of the overall story arc.

I mean, I guess I agree with that. There is an overall plot to this story though. Bill and Frank are such a small part to the story. They could have done a slice of life with Ellie and Joel traveling and it would have at least advanced some of the relationship between them. Which is crucial to the overall story.

Didn't the letter from Bill help to convince Joel to protect Ellie and get her where she needed to go? I mean, they could have just found the letter in the empty house without any of Bill's backstory, but the backstory makes the letter much more significant to us, the audience

Joel was already taking Ellie to the fireflies. Bill's letter said to keep Tess safe, not Ellie.

 

[Skipdog77]

Episode 3. Wow. One of the best episodes of any series I've ever watched. Really, really enjoyed it.

You can't be serious

The hyperbole is ridiculous

Because you were triggered and didn't like it? Lol. Get over yourself. Was an fantastic episode of television. Sorry it enraged you so.

 

[jobarules]

Episode 3. Wow. One of the best episodes of any series I've ever watched. Really, really enjoyed it.

You can't be serious

The hyperbole is ridiculous

Because you were triggered and didn't like it? Lol. Get over yourself. Was an fantastic episode of television. Sorry it enraged you so.

Lmao

Best episode of any series ever watched is a joke. Come on now.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

This is why I didn't play the second game and didn't bother to start the show. The guy who made the game intentionally stokes this kind of culture war controversy as a way of generating press. It's toxic, but it gets clicks and eyeballs, at least in the short run.

To see this, consider whether anything story-related would be meaningfully different if Bill and Frank were simply male friends who teamed up for survival and companionship. That's the same story with the same general plot and messaging, but it doesn't result in critics praising you for your bravery and it doesn't result in any slap-fights across the internet. This decision was made intentionally with these sorts of factors in mind, and it becomes more pronounced as we go along, starting in Season 2.

I've more or less stopped consuming media that relies on this sort of cynical gambit for its marketing. Station Eleven, for example, has a bunch of gay, bisexual, and sexually ambiguous characters, but those characters just happen to be that way and it's no big deal. Druckman doesn't do "no big deal."

 

[jobarules]

This is why I didn't play the second game and didn't bother to start the show. The guy who made the game intentionally stokes this kind of culture war controversy as a way of generating press. It's toxic, but it gets clicks and eyeballs, at least in the short run.

To see this, consider whether anything story-related would be meaningfully different if Bill and Frank were simply male friends who teamed up for survival and companionship. That's the same story with the same general plot and messaging, but it doesn't result in critics praising you for your bravery and it doesn't result in any slap-fights across the internet. This decision was made intentionally with these sorts of factors in mind, and it becomes more pronounced as we go along, starting in Season 2.

I've more or less stopped consuming media that relies on this sort of cynical gambit for its marketing. Station Eleven, for example, has a bunch of gay, bisexual, and sexually ambiguous characters, but those characters just happen to be that way and it's no big deal. Druckman doesn't do "no big deal."

Supposedly the writer of the show (Mazin) had to warm Druckman up to this episode.

2nd game was amazing BTW

 

[The General]

This is why I didn't play the second game and didn't bother to start the show. The guy who made the game intentionally stokes this kind of culture war controversy as a way of generating press. It's toxic, but it gets clicks and eyeballs, at least in the short run.

To see this, consider whether anything story-related would be meaningfully different if Bill and Frank were simply male friends who teamed up for survival and companionship. That's the same story with the same general plot and messaging, but it doesn't result in critics praising you for your bravery and it doesn't result in any slap-fights across the internet. This decision was made intentionally with these sorts of factors in mind, and it becomes more pronounced as we go along, starting in Season 2.

I've more or less stopped consuming media that relies on this sort of cynical gambit for its marketing. Station Eleven, for example, has a bunch of gay, bisexual, and sexually ambiguous characters, but those characters just happen to be that way and it's no big deal. Druckman doesn't do "no big deal."

I agree with the second paragraph for the most part but that is just noise and doesn’t really matter in terms of how people enjoy a show, or shouldn't come into play I suppose.

At some point this won’t matter, kind of thought we were already there TBH. But, I do think I have seen some rather over the top headlines like “this was the story that Bill and Frank deserved”. Puke

 

[Courtjester]

My .02 on the Bill storyline from a non-gamer:

1) I thought the acting was excellent. Everyone involved did a great job with the role.
2) I do like the slice of humanity/life to show what life may be like when you're not fighting zombies. Enjoyed the passage of time aspect as well.
3) Some aspects were indeed too unrealistic (Bill going Rambo in the open, Drinking Beaujolais after 20 years , for example)
4) I am certainly not homophobic, but it did feel "Forced" into the story.. like it was checking a "quota box" for modern Hollywood.
5) I agree with those who said it was odd to drop this type of episode in as Ep3, while core character arcs are still being laid out.

Overall I'll give it a B-. It was very good TV in a vacuum. However, gets dinged for feeling a touch disingenuous/forced, as well as for deviation in the scheme of the story and timing in the series.

This is spot on.

I just felt like it was a wasted opportunity. As someone who played the first game, I get they needed to flesh out the world a bit and add depth. Otherwise, like someone said up thread, this whole show could be done in a two hour movie. However, what I would have loved to see expanded on and shown was the conversation between Joel and Ellie about how things progressed from the Friday to the Sunday. I want to see how it all fell apart. In TWD, Rick went into the hospital and boom, woke up and the world had changed. I felt the same here. It would have been great to see the panic and deterioration to the world. If you want filler, this would have been great for an EP3.

As an aside,I feel one of the best movies to really show this was World War Z. You saw the initial attacks in the streets and the how it slowly fell apart before your eyes.

I get that there are going to be some viewers that probably won't come back to this show-- just looking at some of vitriol being spewed on various sites. There is no excuse for homophobia, but in the same sense, Hollywood's continuous effort to try and force things (see something like Velma) has created some skepticism as to why some things are presented the way they are. That being said, my family is looking forward to next week.

 

[fruity pebbles]

He would have never walked into the street in the first place. He would have been perched up in a window or on the roof.

That whole scene seemed incredibly rushed/poorly done and in contrast to the entire episode, they didn’t spend enough time on it.

I can only speculate to why they didn’t have anyone around to consult.

I don’t think they were necessarily going for realism but instead emotion. Point was Bill laying it all on the line to protect Frank and Frank running out after him, pulling him into the house and nursing him back to health. Both risking their lives for each other. Him taking sniper shots from the second story window wouldn’t have had the same effect imo.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

For those "upset" that the show strays from the video game - wouldn't you be bored if this show was exactly the same as the game? Also based on how most video game to movies/shows turn out, I'd think it would be better to make the story more full than just going around shooting Zombies in the head.

I was a bit surprised by that last episode - but it was also interesting to see how some people adjusted and dealt with the pandemic. Sure I enjoyed the earlier part of him going into the town, etc. more than the love story angle - but that did add some depth and humanity to the tale.

I wouldnt say it strayed from the video game. These were minor characters in the game and they wasted an hour giving them a backstory. In the video game they got the truck from Bill. Thats it. Thats what happened here as well.

Devoting an hour of television to tell the backstory of someone who we were only going to meet for one episode seems pointless to me. Dont get me wrong, it was really well done but it felt contrived.

He seemed like an interesting character in the game that gamers maybe wanted to learn more about

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

He would have never walked into the street in the first place. He would have been perched up in a window or on the roof.

That whole scene seemed incredibly rushed/poorly done and in contrast to the entire episode, they didn’t spend enough time on it.

I can only speculate to why they didn’t have anyone around to consult.

I don’t think they were necessarily going for realism but instead emotion. Point was Bill laying it all on the line to protect Frank and Frank running out after him, pulling him into the house and nursing him back to health. Both risking their lives for each other. Him taking sniper shots from the second story window wouldn’t have had the same effect imo.

I guess. Loved the episode. It was a minor gripe.

 

[jamny]

So, getting away from that storyline...I guess Ellie has a bit of a sadistic streak in her.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Episode 3. Wow. One of the best episodes of any series I've ever watched. Really, really enjoyed it.

You can't be serious

The hyperbole is ridiculous

Because you were triggered and didn't like it? Lol. Get over yourself. Was an fantastic episode of television. Sorry it enraged you so.

Yeah I had an interesting journey through this episode. Normal stuff in the beginning, then the Bill story, which is really compelling from the start when he's in his bunker, off to Home Depot, etc. Then the dude falls into the hole and he saves him. At this point, I'm neutral on the episode, still enjoying it. Then the banter between the two guys is going longer than I expected, and the thought that they may become an item enters. I was hoping that wouldn't happen actually. Found it gratuitous. Of course then it happened, maybe more graphically than I cared for.

Still neutral.

And then as the rest of the show passed, I became really attached to their story, their love and their struggle. Really felt real...in a freakin' zombie movie. The acting was outstanding. I bought it all.

So I enjoyed this episode as much for what I went through in developing a fondness for the characters as the entertainment value of a super well-prepared survivalist who finds love for the first time in his life.

Nobody saying everybody has to feel that way, just glad I did. It was great.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

So, getting away from that storyline...I guess Ellie has a bit of a sadistic streak in her.

Right.

Sorry if it’s been gone over but do we know her age relative to the day the world all but ended?

Joel said the date but I don’t remember.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Pretty sure it was October 2003 or so, and it goes up to current day. So 20 years. Not sure how old she is?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Pretty sure it was October 2003 or so, and it goes up to current day. So 20 years. Not sure how old she is?

14 I think

 

[whoknew]

I'm surprised there is so much backlash to this episode. I thought it was great.

Obviously the story is this potential savior girl and her protector getting out west. But its good to see some human stories along the way. Its great to see how normal people had to deal with ... the end of the world. How terrible it is and yet, still some humanity. I thought it was tremendous.

 

[shuke]

I think had this been episode 13 instead of 3 I wouldn't have been so disappointed.

The problem is that Joel and Ellie get the truck in episode 3. So this is the perfect spot to explain how Joel knew about where to get it, why it was there, etc.

Would you have preferred 10 more episodes of Joel and Ellie walking there first?

 

[jobarules]

So, getting away from that storyline...I guess Ellie has a bit of a sadistic streak in her.

Right.

Sorry if it’s been gone over but do we know her age relative to the day the world all but ended?

Joel said the date but I don’t remember.

She wasn't born

 

[jamny]

Wtf

 

[jobarules]

Wtf

What?

 

[The Captain]

Didn’t advance the story yada yada…….that episode was awesome tv. I watch shows to be entertained and that episode was incredible.

It was boring as hell. Well acted no doubt but you were entertained by that?

Yes. Great story telling. Amazing acting. Bravo

 

[The Captain]

I HATED IT

sorry but an entire episode on a gay love story that didn't even happen in the game? Why does every show have to shove this ****bdown our throats. Ellie is already gay. 6 people left in the world and half of them are gay

Hey, end of the world, any port in a storm I guess. If you can't hook up with 6 people left options are pretty limited.

6% of the adult population is gay. Franks happens to fall in the hole (pun intended) of one of them.

It was a really well done love story just felt forced and irrelevant to main story. I'm also tired of Hollywood shoving a gay character in everything now. They make it seem like 50% of the population is gay. I'm not homophobic I swear.

Not at all

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I HATED IT

sorry but an entire episode on a gay love story that didn't even happen in the game? Why does every show have to shove this ****bdown our throats. Ellie is already gay. 6 people left in the world and half of them are gay

Hey, end of the world, any port in a storm I guess. If you can't hook up with 6 people left options are pretty limited.

6% of the adult population is gay. Franks happens to fall in the hole (pun intended) of one of them.

It was a really well done love story just felt forced and irrelevant to main story. I'm also tired of Hollywood shoving a gay character in everything now. They make it seem like 50% of the population is gay. I'm not homophobic I swear.

Not at all

Get out of here with this weak sauce.

Call him out it and discuss with him if that’s what you think. Don’t come in with a smarmy insult and walk.

We tried to move on from if but since you wanted to chime in- chime in.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

So, getting away from that storyline...I guess Ellie has a bit of a sadistic streak in her.

Right.

Sorry if it’s been gone over but do we know her age relative to the day the world all but ended?

Joel said the date but I don’t remember.

She wasn't born

Dude, if you just spoiled a major plot….

 

[top dog]

I just kept waiting for the point of this episode and by the end it just felt like a waste.

what's the point of any TV show?

They told a story within the same world of the overall story arc.

I mean, I guess I agree with that. There is an overall plot to this story though. Bill and Frank are such a small part to the story. They could have done a slice of life with Ellie and Joel traveling and it would have at least advanced some of the relationship between them. Which is crucial to the overall story.

Didn't the letter from Bill help to convince Joel to protect Ellie and get her where she needed to go? I mean, they could have just found the letter in the empty house without any of Bill's backstory, but the backstory makes the letter much more significant to us, the audience

I think had this been episode 13 instead of 3 I wouldn't have been so disappointed.

The problem is that Joel and Ellie get the truck in episode 3. So this is the perfect spot to explain how Joel knew about where to get it, why it was there, etc.

Would you have preferred 10 more episodes of Joel and Ellie walking there first?

They could have covered that story in half the episode. Not bore us with "Oh my god! There are STRAWEBERRIES!!" I don't mind the back story of Frank and Bill, but it did NOT have to stretch out of over an hour of it. To each his own, but I just found it incredibly boring and was glad I didn't watch it in real time so I could fast forward at times.

 

[jobarules]

So, getting away from that storyline...I guess Ellie has a bit of a sadistic streak in her.

Right.

Sorry if it’s been gone over but do we know her age relative to the day the world all but ended?

Joel said the date but I don’t remember.

She wasn't born

Dude, if you just spoiled a major plot….

Huh?

She wasn't born when the world went to hell
She's like 14 years old and that was 20 years ago.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I covered one eye and peaked through the other eylid to see that Ellie was born "~Jan-April, 2019

January–April, 2019

So, getting away from that storyline...I guess Ellie has a bit of a sadistic streak in her.

Right.

Sorry if it’s been gone over but do we know her age relative to the day the world all but ended?

Joel said the date but I don’t remember.

She wasn't born

Dude, if you just spoiled a major plot….

Huh?

She wasn't born when the world went to hell
She's like 14 years old and that was 20 years ago.

I read it as maybe she was born from a spore or something. Apologies.

 

[jobarules]

I covered one eye and peaked through the other eylid to see that Ellie was born "~Jan-April, 2019

January–April, 2019

So, getting away from that storyline...I guess Ellie has a bit of a sadistic streak in her.

Right.

Sorry if it’s been gone over but do we know her age relative to the day the world all but ended?

Joel said the date but I don’t remember.

She wasn't born

Dude, if you just spoiled a major plot….

Huh?

She wasn't born when the world went to hell
She's like 14 years old and that was 20 years ago.

I read it as maybe she was born from a spore or something. Apologies.

You think I didn't like this past episode? Just wait until they do the background of the love story between the two spores that conceived Ellie.

Here's who is playing her father

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[Sabertooth]

You gotta be ****tin me. Waste of an episode and i would say the same if it was a male/female love story. I could see it 2 or 3 seasons in if I cared about these characters but episode 3?

I agreed 100%. I waited until yesterday and to watch it and pretty much kept jumping forward through the episode. I do the same thing when it is a male/female love scene in a show that I'm not watching live. Uh... I'm not in my teens anymore, I really don't give a crap that you are about to get it on... Can we just get back to the story?

It's literally a story about humanity. What's more human than getting down with your partner?

 

[Sabertooth]

Meh for me so far. The little girls sarcasm and quirkiness has kept me in it, but barely. They used my favorite Linda tune that I probably have drafted at some point, but IT still wasn't enough. BRING BACK MINDHUNTERS AND BTK!!!

I agree on Mindhunters. That show was fantastic. Wait a minute? Is that redhead from Mindhunters the same actress who was Tess in this?

 

[PIK95]

Meh for me so far. The little girls sarcasm and quirkiness has kept me in it, but barely. They used my favorite Linda tune that I probably have drafted at some point, but IT still wasn't enough. BRING BACK MINDHUNTERS AND BTK!!!

I agree on Mindhunters. That show was fantastic. Wait a minute? Is that redhead from Mindhunters the same actress who was Tess in this?

Tess is the lawyer? that joins the two fBI dudes in Mindhunters.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Dude, if you just spoiled a major plot….

I thought this was implied during the last episode when Joel explains how the pandemic started? - maybe it was juts my assumption.

 

[brun]

I thought the Bill & Frank story was sad and sweet and well acted.
I also think that Elle could have asked Joel, "who are Bill and Frank and why are we going there?" Joel could have summarized in a 2 minute response with a couple of flashbacks thrown in for the audience, and I'd feel pretty up to date on what I need to know going forward.

 

[Sabertooth]

Meh for me so far. The little girls sarcasm and quirkiness has kept me in it, but barely. They used my favorite Linda tune that I probably have drafted at some point, but IT still wasn't enough. BRING BACK MINDHUNTERS AND BTK!!!

I agree on Mindhunters. That show was fantastic. Wait a minute? Is that redhead from Mindhunters the same actress who was Tess in this?

Tess is the lawyer? that joins the two fBI dudes in Mindhunters.

Yes. I just realized this when somebody mentioned Mindhunters.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I thought Bill was going to shoot him right there and then when he butchered that Linda Ronstadt song.

 

[Sabertooth]

While I get this sentiment, these stories are all make believe. So they could just write the whole series into 5 minutes if they cut enough exposition out. What is the point of the truck? Well they go west...no need to show the truck, just mention it "Welcome to Idaho, hey lucky we found that truck back there." I like it they way they are doing it. Why have Joel wear Frank's flannel...it's just a shirt after all. But with some backstory on Frank, it has a little meaning.

 

[PIK95]

While I get this sentiment, these stories are all make believe. So they could just write the whole series into 5 minutes if they cut enough exposition out. What is the point of the truck? Well they go west...no need to show the truck, just mention it "Welcome to Idaho, hey lucky we found that truck back there." I like it they way they are doing it. Why have Joel wear Frank's flannel...it's just a shirt after all. But with some backstory on Frank, it has a little meaning.

Didn't even notice what he was wearing, lol.