dkp993
Footballguy
A few people wasnt an option with her being a secret and all.
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*****Official The Last of Us HBO TV thread***** Pro clicker rights in here! (3 Viewers)
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wazoo11
Footballguy
Yes
OK thanks. I am just trying to figure out how that is a famous scene in the video game. I guess I will let it play out as I never played the game.
The General
Footballguy
I mean he tells his wife that this girl has the potential cure. You get a few trusted folks to go. Everyone is very nonchalant about this kid with the cure in her veins!
Minor nitpick in what I thought was one of the best episodes just one of those things that was frustrating to watch as it seems so obvious.
He doesn't trust anyone not to just kill her. Probably because of what happened to his daughter.
jamny
Footballguy
I stopped watching so you should be good now.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I agree. This episode was just average compared to the rest.
The General
Footballguy
He told his brother who was going to risk his life and his wife was ok with that. Seems like they could have explored the idea of finding more people they trust. It’s fine just one of those things that didn’t make sense to me.
Corporation
Angry Bovine
Pretty rudely phrased question and response. How do most things get famous? They are memorable and well-known to a pretty substantial player base. If whatever that number is doesn't meet your minimum qualifying number for famous, so be it. If you think it wasn't memorable, it was because as you mentioned you didn't play the game and therefore lack the emotional impact of what that scene meant as in the game you are even more immersed in the world than you are in this really well-done show. With how they dispatch main characters in the game, at the time you weren't sure what that meant for Joel and Ellie.
modogg
Footballguy
i replayed some of my saved games i had from when i played this game years ago. Very glad HBO was the one who bought it up and is behind it. I think AMC would have tried to make this a 10-season, 26 episode each show. HBO seems to be hitting the right marks, and man oh man, there are some episodes coming up on this show......
GordonGekko
Footballguy
I disagree. The narrative "structure" of this show is very good. Craig Mazin knows what he's doing in terms of fundamental storytelling.
The two major problems are A) the actors and B) the short season
Pascal and Ramsey are actually pretty mediocre as actors. They are great in some very specific kind of roles, but TLOU is entirely reliant on the chemistry/conflict with Joel and Ellie. They just can't seem to pull it off. Hugh Jackman was approached first for the role, and he turned it down. Which was too bad, because he would have been the best overall choice. ( I didn't particularly think Real Steel was great, but it was a solid family movie and Jackman naturally can chew up any role regarding the "Wannabe Han Solo, Rogue With A Heart Of Gold" theme)
Also it's very likely HBO did not want to commit to a longer season, because this show could have easily been a major flop. Instead it's a huge hit and HBO HQ is probably kicking themselves for not having a much longer season made. ( 9 episodes were ordered, but this could easily been stretched to 13 without padding the narrative)
Joel and Ellie now have a context towards a future and what's at stake. It's not just about the two of them, it's also about the safety and future of Joel's brother's future child. Also all the other children at that settlement. Both Joel and his brother know that the illusion of "safety" at that settlement won't last. Not without a real cure.
Ellie transitions from a "package" or "cargo" into something else. This is why Joel infantilizes her so often. He treats her as helpless and incapable. But she's shown as somewhat resourceful, willing and desires to learn how to survive. He humanizes her in a way the leader of the Fireflies could not. And that's why he was chosen in the first place, that he would reliably take Ellie to the destination and not "feel" about what is likely to happen to her in the end. He keeps telling her to shut up, stay up, hide and not get in the way. But a lot of that is fallout from never having to let go of his daughter. She died before she could come of age and leave the nest. In his mind, warped and broken, that transition is how children die under his ward.
You need something to live for, you need something to look forward to in life, you can't mentally hold on if you are constantly in a loop with no end in sight.
Joel doesn't want Ellie to be taught the skills to survive the world without him, because he doesn't actually want to let her go. He knows deep down what happens if he delivers her, the foreboding and dread on that issue isn't made a huge secret by Mazin. But he relents, thus the scene where he shows her how to use the rifle. He's caught in a conflict where he's responsible for protecting her, but to continue the mission is actually not protecting her overall.
The Henry / Sam arc exists to show the total cost to not protecting Ellie. What it means if Joel fails.
The Bill / Frank arc is to show the difference between survival and living. Bill understands how to survive, but Frank wanted to actually live. You need both to make it. What would have happened to Bill without Frank in his life? It asks the hard question on what will happen to Joel without anyone in his life ( Tess is dead, Tommy has a new life, Ellie could be gone soon)
It's interesting that this forum is full of supposed "music junkies" and yet no one seemed to notice the song during the end credits.
"I'm taking a ride with my best friend
I hope he never lets me down again
He knows where he's taking me
Taking me where I want to be
I'm taking a ride with my best friend
We're flying high
We're watching the world pass us by
Never want to come down
Never want to put my feet back down on the ground
We're flying high
We're watching the world pass us by
Never want to come down
Never want to put my feet back down on the ground
Never let me down
Never let me down
Never let me down
Never let me down"
I don't think most people are going to really pay attention to the ending with the lab monkeys running around loose. Joel sees it and understands he has to move forward. Not to deliver Ellie, but to actually deliver her from the Fireflies. It's just Pascal is too limited an actor to properly convey that. They aren't going to see or treat Ellie as anything more than a lab animal. You can see the tonal shift when Ellie talks to Joel about using the blood on Sam's wound and it's not enough. Add in Depeche Mode and the foreshadowing is pretty clear in this regard.
Joel is a killer. It's the one thing he's good at, not "contracting" Before he was wounded, the intent was clear. He was going to go kill every last Firefly who knows about Ellie.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I really didn't read any rudeness in his response. I haven't played the game and I had no idea that the bedroom scene was any more significant that what it was in the show.
wazoo11
Footballguy
It will make much more sense as they flesh out the show and their relationship later on
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Yea. I don’t understand why Tommy and Joel didn’t go together.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
This series is straight cash-money. Likely will get me to play the game after season 1 wraps.
Ep 3 with Bill and Frank was really great television. The death of Sam got to me. Seeing little kids hurt hits me hard as a dad.
Ep 3 with Bill and Frank was really great television. The death of Sam got to me. Seeing little kids hurt hits me hard as a dad.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
It still seems possible that there is something weird and mysterious about their community, like some dark secret. So maybe there wasn't complete trust outside of the brother.
LOL true but wouldve been a boring show/game then
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I haven't watched any of the show, but in the game, Tommy is privately dismissive of "the cure" and suggests that they've heard this particular story multiple times before. That's a small plot point, but it simultaneously makes sense (of course there would be a lot of supposed "miracle cures" that turn out to be worthless in a doomsday pandemic) and it also makes the whose story less tropey by openly acknowledging the trope. I thought that game did a nice job with little details like that.
PIK95
Footballguy
Ironic, coming from you. :Andydidn'tkillhiswife:
PIK95
Footballguy
Never. And brothers wife even mentioned why. They would get betrayed. People are evil by default imo.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
So I’m assuming Tommy somehow betrays Joel. Knowingly or unknowingly.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
So what happens with Joel? Old couple save him?
skol asylum
Footballguy
He dies and respawns all the way back into episode one.
Lmao is that the last checkpoint. What is this an adaptation of Demon Souls?
I was actually hoping they did a quick 5 minute fake opening like that just to mess with people.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Its a funny thought every viewer has probably considered, and for me illustrates how episode 3 presents the central theme of the show - as opposed to being a filler episode. The theme of living v surviving is the main conflict that drives the entire plot of the show. If there is a plot hole in the show, its trying to understand what could possibly motivate Joel to ride out to near-certain horrible death or worse, searching for a needle in a haystack with not a sliver of a reason to believe it will come to anything, when he could easily live out his days in relative comfort and safety with what's left of his family.
GregR
Footballguy
First time checking into the thread. The game is one of my all time favorites, and have been very happy with the show. Very true to the source material in a lot of ways, yet also willing to expand it or take a swing at a couple of new things that I think have worked well. Took me a little bit to stop seeing Pedro Pascal on screen and start seeing Joel but I'm finally there. The accent in particular took a little while.
I'm very excited for this particular episode.
I'm guessing someone brought up that the actor playing the bearded mercenary in Kansas City was the voice actor for Tommy in the game? I have to say the live action Tommy they cast did a great job of capturing the character and his voice.
I'd say one of the hardest things to translate is the amount of time spent together and the amount of danger they face together in the game. So much more bonding time than the show has to work with. You can tell from a number of their show decisions that they were aware of that and have put some extra focus on trying to make up for that with the audience. A ton of extra time with Sara. Even the game rendition of Bill and Frank, I don't think the game's version would have been as impactful if portrayed in a single TV episode that followed the game closely. It was the biggest divergence from the game, yet one that worked great I thought. A better story, that section, than the game. Though I thought the game's version was also good.
I'm very excited for this particular episode.
I'm guessing someone brought up that the actor playing the bearded mercenary in Kansas City was the voice actor for Tommy in the game? I have to say the live action Tommy they cast did a great job of capturing the character and his voice.
I'd say one of the hardest things to translate is the amount of time spent together and the amount of danger they face together in the game. So much more bonding time than the show has to work with. You can tell from a number of their show decisions that they were aware of that and have put some extra focus on trying to make up for that with the audience. A ton of extra time with Sara. Even the game rendition of Bill and Frank, I don't think the game's version would have been as impactful if portrayed in a single TV episode that followed the game closely. It was the biggest divergence from the game, yet one that worked great I thought. A better story, that section, than the game. Though I thought the game's version was also good.
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wazoo11
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Weakest episode by far. The mall stuff just went on for too long. I get what they were doing and it was believable I guess. They should have spent an extra 10-20 minutes just on FEDRA school stuff to get some more background on what it is like being a kid in the QZ.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah, I was bored last night. I'm all about character development and certainly dont mind getting a little more insight into what happened to Ellie right before the events of the show.....but it just dragged WAAAAAY too long. Totally agree that they could/should have spent a little more time on the FEDRA school and less time in the mall.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
The irony
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I was wondering how they knew the fatalities, but the showrunner basically said that Nintendo Power survived the apocalypse.
wazoo11
Footballguy
This is one of those episodes where if you didn't play the game dlc, the importance of it will be lost on non game viewers
wazoo11
Footballguy
TIL Capella doesn't consume twitch
Capella
Footballguy
I can’t imagine, but to each their own.
Wildcat
Footballguy
I can value the importance of it, but too much time was wasted on doing this, then doing that, much of which wasn't important. (merry-go-round, arcade, costumes, etc.).
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I’ve never even heard of this game. And watching the show, I can’t imagine it as a game. Did one wander about and try to get find a cure, fighting zombies and what not?
Show’s pretty good. Last night was boooooooring
Show’s pretty good. Last night was boooooooring
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Basically, yeah. You spend a lot of time sneaking through abandoned buildings, fighting clickers, fighting other humans, crafting things, leveling up your gear, etc. In other words, it's like every other horror themed third-person shooter (Resident Evil, Dead Space, The Evil Within, Alan Wake, and so on) except it has unusually well-done writing and voice acting. It's one of the best games in that genre.
I may be wrong but I assume the majority of viewers have never played the game.
The show doesn't show all the encounters with clickers, infected, bloaters, raiders, military, etc that the game does.
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