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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (22 Viewers)

El Floppo said:
your logic is sound, but I had the same thoughts with bossman here.

alexandria was the ideal environment for this story- solar energy, new homes, water filtration and sewage. yeah, the wall has the damned supports on the wrong side and they need crops- but otherwise, this is zombie apocalypse shangrila. I'd think negan would've just moved himself and his top dogs in and kept other trusted lieutenants at sanctuary to oversee the workers. and tbh- what are the workers actually working on? seems more like they're bartering stuff that negan's crew bring in. are they building things? growing things? I honestly don't know the answer to that- but what I recall is them having more of a marketplace than any actual production facility.
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All good points.  I was just trying to point to how/why they explained it on the show.  I have no idea what those workers are doing down there.  

One thing I noticed, though.  There is also a wall at the Sanctuary, a cement wall.  But then, why would they need the fences lined with walkers?  I don't know.  And how could the herd surround the sanctuary as Rick claimed.  I don't know.  

I understood the they got the produce/grown food from Hilltop.  No idea what was being manufactured in there.  

 
El Floppo said:
snogger said:
I think you are confusing things a bit here..

They didn't want to shoot their way out as they were "low" on ammo and had no way of knowing how to get more if they used it all up to kill off the Zombie Swarm.

Then Eugene let Negan know that with the right equipment they could make more ammo.
Meaning, feel free to use all you want now, we will make more later to resupply. :excited:
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could be. not at all how I read the previous episodes and their discussion of this- the war was diminishing their bullet capacity to almost zero and they needed ammo immediately, so eugene was going to ultimately solve that. not knowing if they had enough to shoot their way out (let alone have enough after that to defeat the rest of Rick's army). I don't think I did, but I admit I could've missed some very specific dialogue backing up your side of this- happy to be proven wrong with some links.
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To carry on with that..

The original discussion was to shoot all of the swarm, which they wouldn't have the ammo for.
Per the discussion with Maggie, Eugene came up with the plan to limit the killing to just enough to build a wall to get a team out to the trucks.
At which point they could crank up the music to "pied piper" the swarm away from the sanctuary allowing them to use less ammo and get out to attack. 

Also, I'd have to go back and watch the "Mid-season Finale" but...  once they left the Sanctuary, I don't recall a lot of shooting. :mellow:

They used firebombs at Alexandria, and the Kingdom fighters had basically been all but wiped out with the 50-cal earlier. 

 
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I'm glad we're having genuine discussion about plot points in here... good way to start the half-season.

that said- I kept watching the episode last night and thinking... I just have to kill one guy. but only with laser armed sharks in a dunk tank while wearing a clown suit. I'm finding it really difficult to keep focus on any of this story line when the ball was dropped so badly a couple of times in rick killing negan.

 
tonydead said:
:lmao:   Worst episode ever.   Killing off the worst character in zombie genre history and you have to dedicate a whole episode to it?
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oh- there have been waaaaay worse episodes than this one. but I didn't mind coral thoughout, and I mntioned it before the break- the kid finally developed some acting chops and now's the time they off him. but in terms of rick's character arc, he's a crucial part and IMO deserves a proper buh-bye the way they gave him. him getting bitten by zombies in the woods, otoh... still stupid.

 
Jayrok said:
I thought it was a good enough episode.  Glad it was revealed that the dream sequence was Carl's vision.  
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El Floppo said:
I'm also glad the flash forward was corals and not rick's. and glad that it's over. for all the money and talent they spend on make-up in this series on the zombies- that comical beard and hair was the best they could do for Rick? 
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You sure?  Because the dream sequence showing Negan was after Carl was dead.  And they made it painfully clear that Rick's new goal in life is to work towards that dream.  And 

In the comics they do a time jump right after the war.
 
tonydead said:
You sure?  Because the dream sequence showing Negan was after Carl was dead.  And they made it painfully clear that Rick's new goal in life is to work towards that dream.  And 

In the comics they do a time jump right after the war.
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sure? no. hoping? yes.

negan being there fit with coral's dream of kumbaya etc... don't see rick ever going in that direction, especially given the previews at the end of the episode (which, granted, are notoriously misleading).

 
El Floppo said:
oh- there have been waaaaay worse episodes than this one. but I didn't mind coral thoughout, and I mntioned it before the break- the kid finally developed some acting chops and now's the time they off him. but in terms of rick's character arc, he's a crucial part and IMO deserves a proper buh-bye the way they gave him. him getting bitten by zombies in the woods, otoh... still stupid.
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I probably just can't stand him because he's grown up (aged 8 years and two feet in height) in what the show is to have you believe is just short of two years.  If they wanted him to be believable he would have died back at the prison before he hit puberty.   The dream sequence must mean something going forward given the silly bite and anti-climatic way he died.  Come on, writing letters with the silly music in the background.   :lmao:   And he was able to talk to everyone but Enid that he wrote anyway.  Good thing they got super human strength pointy stick kid to take his place.  

 
El Floppo said:
sure? no. hoping? yes.

negan being there fit with coral's dream of kumbaya etc... don't see rick ever going in that direction, especially given the previews at the end of the episode (which, granted, are notoriously misleading).
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I think that's exactly what the dream sequence is, laying the ground work for Rick not killing Negan at the end of the war.

Rick doesn't end up killing Negan in the comics either.

They are going to stretch out the war this whole season, if not into next season.  Going to have to wait a while, but, I really want to see what direction they go after the war.

 
tonydead said:
I think that's exactly what the dream sequence is, laying the ground work for Rick not killing Negan at the end of the war.

Rick doesn't end up killing Negan in the comics either.


They are going to stretch out the war this whole season, if not into next season.  Going to have to wait a while, but, I really want to see what direction they go after the war.
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Since I really dont care at this point could you expand on your spoiler a bit?  Obviously put it in tags but I am curious as to how everything shakes out in the comic

 
tonydead said:
I think that's exactly what the dream sequence is, laying the ground work for Rick not killing Negan at the end of the war.

They are going to stretch out the war this whole season, if not into next season.  Going to have to wait a while, but, I really want to see what direction they go after the war.
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Producers, directors and actors have already stated numerous times the War would be resolved by the end of the season.

I expect the First half of the Finale to be the end of the war, with the last part being a Jump ahead to setup next season.

And yea, the continuous shots of Rick stating "I chose Mercy over Wrath" pretty much guarantees Negan will be sticking around for a bit. How far into "the future" is still up in the air. :mellow:

 
El Floppo said:
I'm glad we're having genuine discussion about plot points in here... good way to start the half-season.

that said- I kept watching the episode last night and thinking... I just have to kill one guy. but only with laser armed sharks in a dunk tank while wearing a clown suit. I'm finding it really difficult to keep focus on any of this story line when the ball was dropped so badly a couple of times in rick killing negan.
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  rick doesn't kill negan in the comics
 
pantherclub said:
Since I really dont care at this point could you expand on your spoiler a bit?  Obviously put it in tags but I am curious as to how everything shakes out in the comic
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sorry looks like someone beat me to this point

   he locks him in prison for two years when he eventually escpaes
 
tonydead said:
:lmao:   Worst episode ever.   Killing off the worst character in zombie genre history and you have to dedicate a whole episode to it?
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And from a writing standpoint it was the safest character loss, as Rick's motivations to protect a child are still intact with his "daughter".

The dream sequence piece with Negan made no sense, unless it was a hat tip to his story line in the comics that the show avoided.

(bracing myself for a week of CORAL memes)

 
Statorama said:
And from a writing standpoint it was the safest character loss, as Rick's motivations to protect a child are still intact with his "daughter".

The dream sequence piece with Negan made no sense, unless it was a hat tip to his story line in the comics that the show avoided.

(bracing myself for a week of CORAL memes)
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The dream sequence was still part of Carl's overall "Utopia" dream world. In his dream everyone, including Negan, come to live together and flourish...

Even if they don't kill off Negan... I have a VERY hard time believing that one day Rick trusts Negan enough to allow him to wander around that close to his kid. :oldunsure:

 
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snogger said:
The dream sequence was still part of Carl's overall "Utopia" dream world. In his dream everyone, including Negan, come to live together and flourish...

Even if they don't kill off Negan... I have a VERY hard time believing that one day Rick trusts Negan enough to allow him to wander around that close to his kid. :oldunsure:
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this is all how I took it too.

off topic- that seemed like a long episode... was it longer than normal? I watched it on dvred , but wasn't paying attention. seemed like they could've done some editing without losing anything at all- it was a lot of repetitive stuff concerning coral- could've wrapped him up in the course of two commercial breaks, IMO. just my 2c.

 
El Floppo said:
this is all how I took it too.

off topic- that seemed like a long episode... was it longer than normal? I watched it on dvred , but wasn't paying attention. seemed like they could've done some editing without losing anything at all- it was a lot of repetitive stuff concerning coral- could've wrapped him up in the course of two commercial breaks, IMO. just my 2c.
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Think it was 1:23, which would make it longer than usual.

 
pantherclub said:
Since I really dont care at this point could you expand on your spoiler a bit?  Obviously put it in tags but I am curious as to how everything shakes out in the comic
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the comic tells this story, I would say literally, 10 times better. There are so many nuances and mimssteps that it is hard to give a condensed answer

 
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I am confused why everyone keeps saying Hilltop is safe.  Won't the saviors head to Hilltop next after destroying Alexandria?

I like Morgan and Carol teaming up and taking people out.  Much better than the tame Morgan we saw a few seasons ago.

 
Don't Noonan said:
I am confused why everyone keeps saying Hilltop is safe.  Won't the saviors head to Hilltop next after destroying Alexandria?

I like Morgan and Carol teaming up and taking people out.  Much better than the tame Morgan we saw a few seasons ago.
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The "better then Negan" bad guy told Maggie during the mid-season finale that  Hilltop was voted to stay as is to provide food as they have been doing.

Dwight was still part of Negan's henchmen at the time they made that choice and thus let those in the sewer know where to go. :)

 
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I stopped watching after last season, but sometimes I come in here to see how the unwashed masses are reacting. 

Holy crap, they killed Carl?!?! That is going in a completely opposite direction from the comics. That is a huge surprise to me, having read them. 
ETA: Probably didn't need to be in Spoiler tags at this point, but better to ever on the side of caution. 

 
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tonydead said:
:lmao:   Worst episode ever.   Killing off the worst character in zombie genre history and you have to dedicate a whole episode to it?
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Not sure I’d call it the worst ever. No garbage pail kids so that’s good although they were right there in the previews.

That was a go nowhere boring episode. Not sure what people were saying abou captioning. It was sort of dark in some scenes but I had no issues.

My hopes for a kickstart are pretty much dashed. I’ll probably DVR and binge watch when I get a chance.

 
A bit drawn out but solid episode. The Rick/Carl stuff was heartbreaking to watch and I didn't even like Carl but just as a father/son thing. The whole Morgan storyline is week. Two seasons ago he didn't wanna kill walkers now he's ripping guy's intestines out of their stomachs.

 
El Floppo said:
Glad I used cc.

heavy (handed and otherwise) stuff. Glad they gave coral a proper sending out, and imo a decently done episode. Once again some nicely filmed scenes with well shot atmospheric lighting.

that said... after all that, the saviors just shot their way out? That's how they got out and also took over the other camps? Low ammo just a... ruse? Red herring? Mistake? so stupid. And even though I couldn't ask for more of send off, still idiotic tv to die by zombie bite at this point of the series.
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I think that was the point. Carl told Rick "I got bit". In other words, all this worrying about Negan and you almost forget that there's another danger out there in walkers. I liked it.

 
shadyridr said:
El Floppo said:
Glad I used cc.

heavy (handed and otherwise) stuff. Glad they gave coral a proper sending out, and imo a decently done episode. Once again some nicely filmed scenes with well shot atmospheric lighting.

that said... after all that, the saviors just shot their way out? That's how they got out and also took over the other camps? Low ammo just a... ruse? Red herring? Mistake? so stupid. And even though I couldn't ask for more of send off, still idiotic tv to die by zombie bite at this point of the series.
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I think that was the point. Carl told Rick "I got bit". In other words, all this worrying about Negan and you almost forget that there's another danger out there in walkers. I liked it.
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:goodposting:

 
snogger said:
The dream sequence was still part of Carl's overall "Utopia" dream world. In his dream everyone, including Negan, come to live together and flourish...

Even if they don't kill off Negan... I have a VERY hard time believing that one day Rick trusts Negan enough to allow him to wander around that close to his kid. :oldunsure:
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Maybe something worse comes along that puts Rick and Negan on the same side?  

 
shadyridr said:
A bit drawn out but solid episode. The Rick/Carl stuff was heartbreaking to watch and I didn't even like Carl but just as a father/son thing. The whole Morgan storyline is week. Two seasons ago he didn't wanna kill walkers now he's ripping guy's intestines out of their stomachs.
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They destroyed Morgan. In the Clear episode he was awesome and then they had to turn him into a monk and now he flip flops week to week.

Also, the Carl part is unfortunately where I am now with the show. I honestly couldn’t care less about his send off. I’ll agree that the message of the war disguising the forgotten enemy is a good one, but I felt nothing for Carl and Rick.

 
Thunderlips said:
snogger said:
The dream sequence was still part of Carl's overall "Utopia" dream world. In his dream everyone, including Negan, come to live together and flourish...

Even if they don't kill off Negan... I have a VERY hard time believing that one day Rick trusts Negan enough to allow him to wander around that close to his kid. :oldunsure:
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Maybe something worse comes along that puts Rick and Negan on the same side?  
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No matter who the enemy you were facing, I personally couldn't see just letting the past go and allow a psycho like Negan wandering free in your community.

It would be like like saying "Hey, I know the Governor almost raped Maggie, and kept heads in Aquariums in his office, along with his daughter zombie on a chain. But that was then, let's hug and make up!" :oldunsure:

 
snogger said:
No matter who the enemy you were facing, I personally couldn't see just letting the past go and allow a psycho like Negan wandering free in your community.

It would be like like saying "Hey, I know the Governor almost raped Maggie, and kept heads in Aquariums in his office, along with his daughter zombie on a chain. But that was then, let's hug and make up!" :oldunsure:
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Book mark it, because it's going to happen.  It's a soap opera at this point.  

 
snogger said:
No matter who the enemy you were facing, I personally couldn't see just letting the past go and allow a psycho like Negan wandering free in your community.

It would be like like saying "Hey, I know the Governor almost raped Maggie, and kept heads in Aquariums in his office, along with his daughter zombie on a chain. But that was then, let's hug and make up!" :oldunsure:
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I will say- the governor was such a complete cartoon evil villain (even after the back story), I found myself hating anything that had to do with him. 

negan- albeit a massive sadist- at least is operating in a manner that makes a bit of sense, especially as a  prototype "big man" character from history. he's uniting and controlling what's left of society with a heavy hand to survive against zombies. I can buy his behavior based on that. I can also see him possibly acquiescing if it makes sense to do so... that Rick presents a version of society that's un-Rick- where communities aren't destroyed with tons of death. 

 
El Floppo said:
snogger said:
No matter who the enemy you were facing, I personally couldn't see just letting the past go and allow a psycho like Negan wandering free in your community.

It would be like like saying "Hey, I know the Governor almost raped Maggie, and kept heads in Aquariums in his office, along with his daughter zombie on a chain. But that was then, let's hug and make up!" :oldunsure:
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I will say- the governor was such a complete cartoon evil villain (even after the back story), I found myself hating anything that had to do with him. 

negan- albeit a massive sadist- at least is operating in a manner that makes a bit of sense, especially as a  prototype "big man" character from history. he's uniting and controlling what's left of society with a heavy hand to survive against zombies. I can buy his behavior based on that. I can also see him possibly acquiescing if it makes sense to do so... that Rick presents a version of society that's un-Rick- where communities aren't destroyed with tons of death. 
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The Heavy hand control to survive makes sense to a point. And I could even get past "Lucille" as she is only used  during moments of defiance...

The Iron to the face and the "Your wife is mine or leave" takes it a bit to far and beyond something I personally could just :shrug: off and welcome him into my community.

 
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snogger said:
The Heavy hand control to survive makes sense to a point. And I could even get past "Lucille" as she is only used  during moments of defiance...

The Iron to the face and the "Your wife is mine or leave" takes it a bit to far and beyond something I personally could just :shrug: off and welcome him into my community.
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lol... definitely true. the dude is a raging sadist. but if we're looking at track record..how many communities have they each destroyed. negan has built something, while rick destroys everything he touches.

 
Not sure what to make of the final scene with a bloodied Rick sitting under a tree with stained glass window.   Is that a dream or did he just wake up?

 
Godsbrother said:
Not sure what to make of the final scene with a bloodied Rick sitting under a tree with stained glass window.   Is that a dream or did he just wake up?
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I took it as a "True" Flash Forward.. And my complete guess is it is before the "I chose Mercy over wrath".. :mellow:

 
I am a little confused about the Morgan cross over to Fear The Walking Dead where he will be a main character next season.

Fear is a prequel, and yet the adds show Morgan with his fighting stick which should have been in the future from Fear's point of view.

Also, does anyone know if Morgan is being written out(killed) of The Walking Dead?

 
NewlyRetired said:
I am a little confused about the Morgan cross over to Fear The Walking Dead where he will be a main character next season.

Fear is a prequel, and yet the adds show Morgan with his fighting stick which should have been in the future from Fear's point of view.

Also, does anyone know if Morgan is being written out(killed) of The Walking Dead?
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Well not a prequel in the sense that both shows stared with the Global Outbreak.  A prequel in the sense that Fear is only 2 months past the Global Outbreak and TWD is nearly two years.

About 2 months in is where Rick leaves Morgan, talking to him on a radio briefly, then later discovers him holed up in his apartment some 250 days and 2 seasons later.  So there is some time there where Morgan is somewhat unaccounted for, but, it would be just lost his wife and kid crazy Morgan and not stick wielding Morgan.  Unless there is a time jump in FTWD.

TWD does a time jump after the war in the comics so it's not unheard of and maybe they do it in FTWD instead. 
But, not holding my breath that they don't completely screw it up somehow.   

 
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After watching this episode, all I could think was...

What the heck is taking so long bringing back "Better Call Saul"?

 
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