***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (2 Viewers)

[packersfan]

What is Carl supposed to be, 12 or 13? Everyone complaining about Carl's actions in Episode 409 needs to consider how dumb boys Carl's age are. His decisions didn't seem out of character for a kid in middle school.

I get pretty excited when my kid uses both hands and doesn't spill his plate walking to dinner....

My 11 year old son tripped and fell down the stairs the other day. Carl is gifted.

Are you the dad on Modern Family?

Not that I'm aware of. I've never seen it though, so I can't say definitively.

Just a joke. The kid on Modern Family makes Carl look like a rocket scientist.

 

[dhockster]

A few thoughts after watching the DVR'ed episode last night:

-I liked the symbolism of Rick at the beginning of the episode with how he looked, how he sounded (raspy breathing), and how he moved. He basically could have been mistaken for a zombie.

-Carl doesn't learn from the past. In season two, he played around with a zombie stuck in the mud, which motivated the zombie to get free and that zombie ultimately ate Dale. Here he is playing around with zombies again and almost getting killed. What a moron.

-What Rick's group should have done at the prison to not make it a beacon for walkers: Get about fifty walkers, cut of their arms and jaws, and put them in between the two outer fences. Walkers outside the fence will not know live humans are there. Kind of a walker buffer.

 

[Slider6]

Why couldn't we see the Governor as a walker OR the walkers eating the Governor's body?

Did you miss the bullet hole in his forehead?

 

[Loan Sharks]

This show sucks

Seriously I don't think anyone could eat that much pudding. It is like the gallon of milk challenge.

 

[Parrothead]

This show sucks

Seriously I don't think anyone could eat that much pudding. It is like the gallon of milk challenge.

"Holy hell Carl! It smells like you ate a walker!"

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

This episode was terrible. I am so sick of Rick saying "Carl" like he can barely squeeze out a word. But all the rest of his words and actions are perfectly fine.

I wanted Carl to blow Michone's head off, even though I like her as a character it would of made good TV.

Seems like next weeks episode is a whole lot of the same, catching up to do with the other characters. Stupid. This show is 1 more bad episode away to losing me.

This is a show about characters surviving the "end of the world" .. If Character development isn't for you then yea, this show isn't for you..People seem to forget ,It was never meant to be a Zombie show with characters.. It is a Show about characters and how they survive the end of the world as we know it, that just happens to have Zombies in it.

What? All shows have character development in them. This just so happens that these characters they are trying to develop also have zombies attacking them. Hence the name of the show Walking Dead.

Haven't read the intervening pages, so maybe someone already pointed this out - but the title "The Walking Dead" does not refer to the walkers, never has. It refers to the survivors. Maybe that helps put this in context?

ive heard this before but isnt that kind of silly? Arent we all technically walking dead?

It is specific to their world, and it comes directly from dialog in the comics. It was a speech by Rick after he was "ousted" as leader and the committee put in place (at the prison), after he killed one of the (non-zombie) prisoners (Dexter) during a zombie attack. Issue 24 if you are interested in the context (19 is where Rick killed Dexter). Here is some of the dialog (this material has been covered in both the show and the comics at this point, so not going to put it in spoiler tags.)

Here is the frame from the comic: http://imageshack.us/a/img834/2264/jl61.jpg

Tyreese:

We are Rick. That's what you don't understand. We are trying to reestablish life--as it WAS. That's our goal.

We don't want to be savages, that's what you don't get.

Rick:

It's obvious that I'm the only sane one here! We already are savages, Tyreese.

You especially!

The second we put a bullet in the head of one of these undead monsters--the moment one of us drive a hammer into one of their faces--or cut a head off.

We became what we are!

And that's just it. That's what this comes down to. You people don't know what we are.

We're surrounded by the dead.

We're among them--and when we finally give up we become them. We're living on borrowed time. Here every minute of our life is a minute we steal from them!

You see them out there, you know that when we die--we become them. You think we hide behind walls to protect use from THE WALKING DEAD!

Don't you get it?

We ARE THE WALKING DEAD!

We are the walking dead.

So profound. :wanking:

 

[TheIronSheik]

This show sucks

Seriously I don't think anyone could eat that much pudding. It is like the gallon of milk challenge.

Eminence could.

 

[packersfan]

Why couldn't we see the Governor as a walker OR the walkers eating the Governor's body?

That is what I wanted too. Really thought Michonne was going to wait for him to turn then either use him as a pet or slice him up into little pieces and feed him to the others. The actress who played Michonne explained that it wasn't about revenge on the governor anymore. She just knew he had to be destroyed.

Problem with that is when someone asked her why she picked those two guys to make pets, she said they were the Gov's people so it was a little dig at the gov. She should have made a personal dig at the gov by doing one of those you suggested.

I think Michonne left him to be devoured by walkers. I got the feeling that's why she didn't finish him off after stabbing him. And it would've been an appropriate way for him to go. But then the angry mom showed up. Didn't that character kill the Governor in the comics too? I thought I read that somewhere.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

This show sucks

Seriously I don't think anyone could eat that much pudding. It is like the gallon of milk challenge.

Eminence could.

While continuously hitting F5 on his stock portfolio.

 

[Jayrok]

-What Rick's group should have done at the prison to not make it a beacon for walkers: Get about fifty walkers, cut of their arms and jaws, and put them in between the two outer fences. Walkers outside the fence will not know live humans are there. Kind of a walker buffer.

Good idea there.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

-What Rick's group should have done at the prison to not make it a beacon for walkers: Get about fifty walkers, cut of their arms and jaws, and put them in between the two outer fences. Walkers outside the fence will not know live humans are there. Kind of a walker buffer.

Good idea there.

Yep. If the zombie apocalypse ever hits, I'm picking you for my team.

 

[Jayrok]

Why couldn't we see the Governor as a walker OR the walkers eating the Governor's body?

That is what I wanted too. Really thought Michonne was going to wait for him to turn then either use him as a pet or slice him up into little pieces and feed him to the others. The actress who played Michonne explained that it wasn't about revenge on the governor anymore. She just knew he had to be destroyed.

Problem with that is when someone asked her why she picked those two guys to make pets, she said they were the Gov's people so it was a little dig at the gov. She should have made a personal dig at the gov by doing one of those you suggested.

I think Michonne left him to be devoured by walkers. I got the feeling that's why she didn't finish him off after stabbing him. And it would've been an appropriate way for him to go. But then the angry mom showed up. Didn't that character kill the Governor in the comics too? I thought I read that somewhere.

Could be. I didn't read the comics so I don't know who killed him.

 

[phatdawg]

Why couldn't we see the Governor as a walker OR the walkers eating the Governor's body?

That is what I wanted too. Really thought Michonne was going to wait for him to turn then either use him as a pet or slice him up into little pieces and feed him to the others. The actress who played Michonne explained that it wasn't about revenge on the governor anymore. She just knew he had to be destroyed.

Problem with that is when someone asked her why she picked those two guys to make pets, she said they were the Gov's people so it was a little dig at the gov. She should have made a personal dig at the gov by doing one of those you suggested.

I think Michonne left him to be devoured by walkers. I got the feeling that's why she didn't finish him off after stabbing him. And it would've been an appropriate way for him to go. But then the angry mom showed up. Didn't that character kill the Governor in the comics too? I thought I read that somewhere.

That is correct. She was a much more random character in the comics.

 

[Disco Stu]

I really hope Judith is dead. Stupid baby...

 

[Plorfu]

I really hope Judith is dead. Stupid baby...

Not me. I want Rick and Karl to find her so Rick look at his son can be all like "What do you have to say now, punk? SUCK IT, YOU LITTLE TURD!@#" and then he dumps a can of pudding on Karl's head.

 

[packersfan]

Beth needs to find the baby and bring her back to Rick. That will cement the deal for her and Rick to consummate their unspoken love.

 

[kentric]

I really hope Judith is dead. Stupid baby...

I want to see the baby alive and Rick see her constantly stroking the top of her head. Your baby Rick, I don't think soooo....

 

[snogger]

I really hope Judith is dead. Stupid baby...

I remember reading one of the interviews during the mid-season break that in one of the last 8 episodes there was going to be a very controversial part..

Zombie Baby anyone.

 

[dhockster]

-What Rick's group should have done at the prison to not make it a beacon for walkers: Get about fifty walkers, cut of their arms and jaws, and put them in between the two outer fences. Walkers outside the fence will not know live humans are there. Kind of a walker buffer.

Good idea there.

Yep. If the zombie apocalypse ever hits, I'm picking you for my team.

Awesome. I'm down

 

[The General]

-What Rick's group should have done at the prison to not make it a beacon for walkers: Get about fifty walkers, cut of their arms and jaws, and put them in between the two outer fences. Walkers outside the fence will not know live humans are there. Kind of a walker buffer.

Good idea there.

This is the kind of stuff that would make the show better IMO. The black guy who had barricaded himself with walker catchers was another cool way people would adapt. Instead we get 30 minutes on Carl's daddy issues.

 

[Copeman]

-What Rick's group should have done at the prison to not make it a beacon for walkers: Get about fifty walkers, cut of their arms and jaws, and put them in between the two outer fences. Walkers outside the fence will not know live humans are there. Kind of a walker buffer.

Good idea there.

This is the kind of stuff that would make the show better IMO. The black guy who had barricaded himself with walker catchers was another cool way people would adapt. Instead we get 30 minutes on Carl's daddy issues.

While I don't disagree, that is not what this show is supposed to be about. It is supposed to be about the characters interactions with one another during an apocalypse. Or basically, what you don't want this show to be about.

 

[SacramentoBob]

-What Rick's group should have done at the prison to not make it a beacon for walkers: Get about fifty walkers, cut of their arms and jaws, and put them in between the two outer fences. Walkers outside the fence will not know live humans are there. Kind of a walker buffer.

Good idea there.

This is the kind of stuff that would make the show better IMO. The black guy who had barricaded himself with walker catchers was another cool way people would adapt. Instead we get 30 minutes on Carl's daddy issues.

While I don't disagree, that is not what this show is supposed to be about. It is supposed to be about the characters interactions with one another during an apocalypse. Or basically, what you don't want this show to be about.

I think you can have the show be about character interaction and have those characters take more rational-looking actions to defend themselves against walkers.

 

[packersfan]

-What Rick's group should have done at the prison to not make it a beacon for walkers: Get about fifty walkers, cut of their arms and jaws, and put them in between the two outer fences. Walkers outside the fence will not know live humans are there. Kind of a walker buffer.

Good idea there.

This is the kind of stuff that would make the show better IMO. The black guy who had barricaded himself with walker catchers was another cool way people would adapt. Instead we get 30 minutes on Carl's daddy issues.

While I don't disagree, that is not what this show is supposed to be about. It is supposed to be about the characters interactions with one another during an apocalypse. Or basically, what you don't want this show to be about.

Yup. That's the show I wanna watch - not a How To survival guide every week. Besides, we've gotten plenty of glimpses into how they are adapting. It's not like they haven't shown us those things. If people want more, that's fine. But like Copeman said, that's never been the focus of the show and it's unlikely that's gonna change in the fourth season.

 

[SacramentoBob]

So is that dude who was with the chick that got her leg bit off coming back or what?

 

[jamny]

They didn't need to actually show the construction of the barricades but it could have at least been more fortified as time went on.

 

[Copeman]

They didn't need to actually show the construction of the barricades but it could have at least been more fortified as time went on.

The thinking and reasons behind this were discussed many pages back. Basically, the fortifications were fine for the amount of zombies that were showing up at the time. But then something changed, and something was luring more and more zombies to the fence/prison. By that time, more and more people were getting sick/out on missions. Not enough man power at the time to construct a fortress. Especially by using hand tools.

 

[jamny]

They didn't need to actually show the construction of the barricades but it could have at least been more fortified as time went on.

The thinking and reasons behind this were discussed many pages back. Basically, the fortifications were fine for the amount of zombies that were showing up at the time. But then something changed, and something was luring more and more zombies to the fence/prison. By that time, more and more people were getting sick/out on missions. Not enough man power at the time to construct a fortress. Especially by using hand tools.

They could have been doing that long before the Woodbury crew came in and the virus. They knew the threat that the Governor posed. You would think they would have prepared better.

All in the past, I know.

 

[packersfan]

They didn't need to actually show the construction of the barricades but it could have at least been more fortified as time went on.

The thinking and reasons behind this were discussed many pages back. Basically, the fortifications were fine for the amount of zombies that were showing up at the time. But then something changed, and something was luring more and more zombies to the fence/prison. By that time, more and more people were getting sick/out on missions. Not enough man power at the time to construct a fortress. Especially by using hand tools.

I'll say again that not a lot of time has passed since the season began either. So I'm not sure there's been a lot of time to make significant alterations to what they had one to protect themselves at the prison. And like you said, when the season began what they had done clearly appeared to be working. But it was Carol who said in the first episode that something about the walkers had changed as well. I forget her exact words (and am too lazy to look it up) but I wouldn't be surprised if that plays into something as the season goes on.

 

[Copeman]

They didn't need to actually show the construction of the barricades but it could have at least been more fortified as time went on.

The thinking and reasons behind this were discussed many pages back. Basically, the fortifications were fine for the amount of zombies that were showing up at the time. But then something changed, and something was luring more and more zombies to the fence/prison. By that time, more and more people were getting sick/out on missions. Not enough man power at the time to construct a fortress. Especially by using hand tools.

They could have been doing that long before the Woodbury crew came in and the virus. They knew the threat that the Governor posed. You would think they would have prepared better.

All in the past, I know.

Again, no reason to suspect more and more zombies would show up out of no where. In the end, any fortification they make to protect themselves against the zombies would have gone in vain because anything used to stop zombies is not going to stop a tank that still has live rounds.

I'm sure they didn't have alot of time to prepare things. Everyone was out doing other things to help the group survive. Finding food, ammo, gas, etc..

 

[packersfan]

Also, most of their attention was on finding medicine to treat everyone who was sick. And by the time they got that issue resolved, the Governor showed up.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

They didn't need to actually show the construction of the barricades but it could have at least been more fortified as time went on.

The thinking and reasons behind this were discussed many pages back. Basically, the fortifications were fine for the amount of zombies that were showing up at the time. But then something changed, and something was luring more and more zombies to the fence/prison. By that time, more and more people were getting sick/out on missions. Not enough man power at the time to construct a fortress. Especially by using hand tools.

They could have been doing that long before the Woodbury crew came in and the virus. They knew the threat that the Governor posed. You would think they would have prepared better.

All in the past, I know.

Again, no reason to suspect more and more zombies would show up out of no where. In the end, any fortification they make to protect themselves against the zombies would have gone in vain because anything used to stop zombies is not going to stop a tank that still has live rounds.

I'm sure they didn't have alot of time to prepare things. Everyone was out doing other things to help the group survive. Finding food, ammo, gas, etc..

Right, I mean it's not like the last place they were comfortable in was overrun by metric crapload of zombies showing up out of nowhere. And it's not like they haven't established that the survivors have run into several large "herds" of zombies.

I mean, if there is one thing that the zombie apocalypse has taught us, it's that if you only see five zombies then you only need to prepare for five zombies because there will never ever be more of them.

 

[Copeman]

They didn't need to actually show the construction of the barricades but it could have at least been more fortified as time went on.

The thinking and reasons behind this were discussed many pages back. Basically, the fortifications were fine for the amount of zombies that were showing up at the time. But then something changed, and something was luring more and more zombies to the fence/prison. By that time, more and more people were getting sick/out on missions. Not enough man power at the time to construct a fortress. Especially by using hand tools.

They could have been doing that long before the Woodbury crew came in and the virus. They knew the threat that the Governor posed. You would think they would have prepared better.

All in the past, I know.

Again, no reason to suspect more and more zombies would show up out of no where. In the end, any fortification they make to protect themselves against the zombies would have gone in vain because anything used to stop zombies is not going to stop a tank that still has live rounds.

I'm sure they didn't have alot of time to prepare things. Everyone was out doing other things to help the group survive. Finding food, ammo, gas, etc..

Right, I mean it's not like the last place they were comfortable in was overrun by metric crapload of zombies showing up out of nowhere. And it's not like they haven't established that the survivors have run into several large "herds" of zombies.

I mean, if there is one thing that the zombie apocalypse has taught us, it's that if you only see five zombies then you only need to prepare for five zombies because there will never ever be more of them.

Hey, if you're gonna compare a small wooden fence with a latch to a prison with three rows of chain link fence with survivors on the lookout at every second in guard towers, then thats what you gotta do I guess.

And as far as establishing some of them running into a "herd", that, along with the radio transmission was never relayed. And by then it was too late anyways.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

They didn't need to actually show the construction of the barricades but it could have at least been more fortified as time went on.

The thinking and reasons behind this were discussed many pages back. Basically, the fortifications were fine for the amount of zombies that were showing up at the time. But then something changed, and something was luring more and more zombies to the fence/prison. By that time, more and more people were getting sick/out on missions. Not enough man power at the time to construct a fortress. Especially by using hand tools.

They could have been doing that long before the Woodbury crew came in and the virus. They knew the threat that the Governor posed. You would think they would have prepared better.

All in the past, I know.

Again, no reason to suspect more and more zombies would show up out of no where. In the end, any fortification they make to protect themselves against the zombies would have gone in vain because anything used to stop zombies is not going to stop a tank that still has live rounds.

I'm sure they didn't have alot of time to prepare things. Everyone was out doing other things to help the group survive. Finding food, ammo, gas, etc..

Right, I mean it's not like the last place they were comfortable in was overrun by metric crapload of zombies showing up out of nowhere. And it's not like they haven't established that the survivors have run into several large "herds" of zombies.

I mean, if there is one thing that the zombie apocalypse has taught us, it's that if you only see five zombies then you only need to prepare for five zombies because there will never ever be more of them.

Hey, if you're gonna compare a small wooden fence with a latch to a prison with two rows of chain link fence with survivors on the lookout at every second in guard towers, then thats what you gotta do I guess.

And as far as establishing some of them running into a "herd", that, along with the radio transmission was never relayed. And by then it was too late anyways.

The lack of defenses at the farm is irrelevant. The point was that the show has clearly established the exact opposite of what you claimed in bold. There was PLENTY of reason to suspect that more zombies would start showing up because more zombies showing up, and the idea of zombie herds that stick together, has been well established throughout the show (long before the episode with the radio transmission).

At Morgan's house in season 1, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. At the quarry in season 1, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. On the road in season 2, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. At the farm in season 2, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up.

The notion that the characters had no reason to believe a large group of zombies would ever stumble upon the prison is absurd. It's a threat that they have constantly talked about and run into throughout the show.

 

[Insein]

-What Rick's group should have done at the prison to not make it a beacon for walkers: Get about fifty walkers, cut of their arms and jaws, and put them in between the two outer fences. Walkers outside the fence will not know live humans are there. Kind of a walker buffer.

Good idea there.

This is the kind of stuff that would make the show better IMO. The black guy who had barricaded himself with walker catchers was another cool way people would adapt. Instead we get 30 minutes on Carl's daddy issues.

While I don't disagree, that is not what this show is supposed to be about. It is supposed to be about the characters interactions with one another during an apocalypse. Or basically, what you don't want this show to be about.

Yup. That's the show I wanna watch - not a How To survival guide every week. Besides, we've gotten plenty of glimpses into how they are adapting. It's not like they haven't shown us those things. If people want more, that's fine. But like Copeman said, that's never been the focus of the show and it's unlikely that's gonna change in the fourth season.

Maybe a Bob Villa type spin off, "This old Zombie barricade."

Each week would be how to fix up your old busted habitat into a DIY Fortress.

 

[Copeman]

They didn't need to actually show the construction of the barricades but it could have at least been more fortified as time went on.

The thinking and reasons behind this were discussed many pages back. Basically, the fortifications were fine for the amount of zombies that were showing up at the time. But then something changed, and something was luring more and more zombies to the fence/prison. By that time, more and more people were getting sick/out on missions. Not enough man power at the time to construct a fortress. Especially by using hand tools.

They could have been doing that long before the Woodbury crew came in and the virus. They knew the threat that the Governor posed. You would think they would have prepared better.

All in the past, I know.

Again, no reason to suspect more and more zombies would show up out of no where. In the end, any fortification they make to protect themselves against the zombies would have gone in vain because anything used to stop zombies is not going to stop a tank that still has live rounds.

I'm sure they didn't have alot of time to prepare things. Everyone was out doing other things to help the group survive. Finding food, ammo, gas, etc..

Right, I mean it's not like the last place they were comfortable in was overrun by metric crapload of zombies showing up out of nowhere. And it's not like they haven't established that the survivors have run into several large "herds" of zombies.

I mean, if there is one thing that the zombie apocalypse has taught us, it's that if you only see five zombies then you only need to prepare for five zombies because there will never ever be more of them.

Hey, if you're gonna compare a small wooden fence with a latch to a prison with two rows of chain link fence with survivors on the lookout at every second in guard towers, then thats what you gotta do I guess.

And as far as establishing some of them running into a "herd", that, along with the radio transmission was never relayed. And by then it was too late anyways.

The lack of defenses at the farm is irrelevant. The point was that the show has clearly established the exact opposite of what you claimed in bold. There was PLENTY of reason to suspect that more zombies would start showing up because more zombies showing up, and the idea of zombie herds that stick together, has been well established throughout the show (long before the episode with the radio transmission).

At Morgan's house in season 1, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. At the quarry in season 1, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. On the road in season 2, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. At the farm in season 2, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up.

The notion that the characters had no reason to believe a large group of zombies would ever stumble upon the prison is absurd. It's a threat that they have constantly talked about and run into throughout the show.

Each and every instance was explained or shown that something brought them there. Whether it be sound from a gunshot (Morgan), sound from a car alarm (in front of Morgans house), sound from a car alarm again (quarry), and the helicopter to the farm, it was something.

At the prison, it was something else. And if they were going to build fortifications, I am thinking that noise would have brought more as well.

 

[packersfan]

-What Rick's group should have done at the prison to not make it a beacon for walkers: Get about fifty walkers, cut of their arms and jaws, and put them in between the two outer fences. Walkers outside the fence will not know live humans are there. Kind of a walker buffer.

Good idea there.

This is the kind of stuff that would make the show better IMO. The black guy who had barricaded himself with walker catchers was another cool way people would adapt. Instead we get 30 minutes on Carl's daddy issues.

While I don't disagree, that is not what this show is supposed to be about. It is supposed to be about the characters interactions with one another during an apocalypse. Or basically, what you don't want this show to be about.

Yup. That's the show I wanna watch - not a How To survival guide every week. Besides, we've gotten plenty of glimpses into how they are adapting. It's not like they haven't shown us those things. If people want more, that's fine. But like Copeman said, that's never been the focus of the show and it's unlikely that's gonna change in the fourth season.

Maybe a Bob Villa type spin off, "This old Zombie barricade."

Each week would be how to fix up your old busted habitat into a DIY Fortress.

How about The Walking Property Brothers? Each week the twin brothers help people find new homes they can buy and make more walker proof.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The lack of defenses at the farm is irrelevant. The point was that the show has clearly established the exact opposite of what you claimed in bold. There was PLENTY of reason to suspect that more zombies would start showing up because more zombies showing up, and the idea of zombie herds that stick together, has been well established throughout the show (long before the episode with the radio transmission).

At Morgan's house in season 1, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. At the quarry in season 1, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. On the road in season 2, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. At the farm in season 2, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up.

The notion that the characters had no reason to believe a large group of zombies would ever stumble upon the prison is absurd. It's a threat that they have constantly talked about and run into throughout the show.

Each and every instance was explained or shown that something brought them there. Whether it be sound from a gunshot (Morgan), sound from a car alarm (in front of Morgans house), sound from a car alarm again (quarry), and the helicopter to the farm, it was something.

At the prison, it was something else. And if they were going to build fortifications, I am thinking that noise would have brought more as well.

This is absurd. So what if there were things that attracted those herds (and there wasn't on the road, btw)? Did they believe that there was never again going to be anything that attracted zombies? Clearly, since it keeps happening, it would be (and was) a pretty ridiculous assumption to make.

I don't think you have to be any kind of special mind wizard to realize that, in a zombie apocalypse, you have to be prepared for a lot of zombies and not just the couple you can see at the time. It's only made exponentially worse by the fact that they've run into that exact problem no less than 5 times already and still can't seem to figure it out. They had already run into herds 20x the size of the one that took down the fence earlier in the season before the Gov even showed up.

 

[Copeman]

The lack of defenses at the farm is irrelevant. The point was that the show has clearly established the exact opposite of what you claimed in bold. There was PLENTY of reason to suspect that more zombies would start showing up because more zombies showing up, and the idea of zombie herds that stick together, has been well established throughout the show (long before the episode with the radio transmission).

At Morgan's house in season 1, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. At the quarry in season 1, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. On the road in season 2, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. At the farm in season 2, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up.

The notion that the characters had no reason to believe a large group of zombies would ever stumble upon the prison is absurd. It's a threat that they have constantly talked about and run into throughout the show.

Each and every instance was explained or shown that something brought them there. Whether it be sound from a gunshot (Morgan), sound from a car alarm (in front of Morgans house), sound from a car alarm again (quarry), and the helicopter to the farm, it was something.

At the prison, it was something else. And if they were going to build fortifications, I am thinking that noise would have brought more as well.

This is absurd. So what if there were things that attracted those herds (and there wasn't on the road, btw)? Did they believe that there was never again going to be anything that attracted zombies? Clearly, since it keeps happening, it would be (and was) a pretty ridiculous assumption to make.

I don't think you have to be any kind of special mind wizard to realize that, in a zombie apocalypse, you have to be prepared for a lot of zombies and not just the couple you can see at the time. It's only made exponentially worse by the fact that they've run into that exact problem no less than 5 times already and still can't seem to figure it out. They had already run into herds 20x the size of the one that took down the fence earlier in the season before the Gov even showed up.

So, they should make a fortress using hand tools? Using all their able bodies to build this, instead of going out for food/supplies/etc...

For building these hedgerow type defenses that Morgan had in the town, which so many are referring to. You think that would stop a 2000+ herd? In order to stop a herd that Michonne et al saw on the road, they would have to build a fortress. That ain't happening for a multitude of reasons. Many that have been explained already.

As far as on the road when the walkers showed up in season two, which is the other I am guessing you are referring to? Who knows. Any of that could be explained. They were the people in the cars that turned, or it could have again been the sound, especially of Daryl's bike. Would you like the show to explain every little detail so you don't have to think?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So, they should make a fortress using hand tools? Using all their able bodies to build this, instead of going out for food/supplies/etc...
For building these hedgerow type defenses that Morgan had in the town, which so many are referring to. You think that would stop a 2000+ herd? In order to stop a herd that Michonne et al saw on the road, they would have to build a fortress. That ain't happening for a multitude of reasons. Many that have been explained already.

As far as on the road when the walkers showed up in season two, which is the other I am guessing you are referring to? Who knows. Any of that could be explained. They were the people in the cars that turned, or it could have again been the sound, especially of Daryl's bike. Would you like the show to expalin every little detail so you don't have to think?

I'm not here to argue the logistics of building this stuff out or how much is needed to stop X amount of zombies (though others in this thread have offered plenty of reasonable solutions). I was simply commenting that your assertion that they had no reason to think that more zombies were ever going to show up is, at best, the most absurdly naive thing a character on a show has ever allegedly considered. It only went on beyond that one mention because you somehow felt that it was a defensible point, which it pretty clearly is not.

 

[Copeman]

The lack of defenses at the farm is irrelevant. The point was that the show has clearly established the exact opposite of what you claimed in bold. There was PLENTY of reason to suspect that more zombies would start showing up because more zombies showing up, and the idea of zombie herds that stick together, has been well established throughout the show (long before the episode with the radio transmission).

At Morgan's house in season 1, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. At the quarry in season 1, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. On the road in season 2, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up. At the farm in season 2, a large group of zombies suddenly showed up.

The notion that the characters had no reason to believe a large group of zombies would ever stumble upon the prison is absurd. It's a threat that they have constantly talked about and run into throughout the show.

Each and every instance was explained or shown that something brought them there. Whether it be sound from a gunshot (Morgan), sound from a car alarm (in front of Morgans house), sound from a car alarm again (quarry), and the helicopter to the farm, it was something.

At the prison, it was something else. And if they were going to build fortifications, I am thinking that noise would have brought more as well.

This is absurd. So what if there were things that attracted those herds (and there wasn't on the road, btw)? Did they believe that there was never again going to be anything that attracted zombies? Clearly, since it keeps happening, it would be (and was) a pretty ridiculous assumption to make.

Also, regarding this. Yes, it was the sounds, and they were all pointed out to you. Morgan said it regarding the sounds of his gunshot and car alarm, the helicopter showed it, yet I guess you are ignoring the signs. The very sign you want them to show. And at the prison, how much sound can they make? They are inside or in the upper courtyard, when they aren't farming. I can't imagine farming their style would make much noise. But again, the show hinted to the viewer (did you miss that too?) that something lured them to the prison.

 

[Copeman]

So, they should make a fortress using hand tools? Using all their able bodies to build this, instead of going out for food/supplies/etc...
For building these hedgerow type defenses that Morgan had in the town, which so many are referring to. You think that would stop a 2000+ herd? In order to stop a herd that Michonne et al saw on the road, they would have to build a fortress. That ain't happening for a multitude of reasons. Many that have been explained already.

As far as on the road when the walkers showed up in season two, which is the other I am guessing you are referring to? Who knows. Any of that could be explained. They were the people in the cars that turned, or it could have again been the sound, especially of Daryl's bike. Would you like the show to expalin every little detail so you don't have to think?

I'm not here to argue the logistics of building this stuff out or how much is needed to stop X amount of zombies (though others in this thread have offered plenty of reasonable solutions). I was simply commenting that your assertion that they had no reason to think that more zombies were ever going to show up is, at best, the most absurdly naive thing a character on a show has ever allegedly considered. It only went on beyond that one mention because you somehow felt that it was a defensible point, which it pretty clearly is not.

It clearly is, as I and the show have shown. But keep ignoring for whatever reason.

 

[kupcho1]

" post="16514221" timestamp="1391999042"]Lame ### start....

So glad I opted for True Detective and let this wait.

 

[Dr Oadi]

No Shane. No governor. This show sucks.

 

[The Bandit]

I don't get the rant about them not building defenses. They did build them around the entrance, the entrance they had to totally rebuild because the Gov destroyed the gates in season 3. They only had a handful of able hands at the end of season 3, that alone probably took weeks to do. In the time between season 3 & 4 they had also managed to reopen cell block A & the administrative offices and the Tombs so they must have repaired the rear of the prison where the fences had been destroyed and tons of walkers were constantly getting in. They had rebuilt and refortified the outer guard towers, found pigs and a horse and safely returned them to their makeshift farm.

On top of this they also started growing crops, built water pumps from the stream, machines to distract the walkers when they needed to go outside the fences, water catchers and showers, all kinds of things you would need in order to survive. I just don't get the criticism that these characters are morons because they didnt get around to building hundreds and hundreds of yards of pikes and spikes lining the fences. Seems about as practical and easy to do as the suggestion pages and pages ago that they should have just found a backhoe and dug a huge moat around the prison.

 

[Thunderlips]

Kind of thinking there's a lot of people who don't really watch the show all that close.

 

[Insein]

No Shane. No governor. This show sucks.

No Shane. No Governor. This show finally got interesting.

 

[mr roboto]

No Shane. No governor. This show sucks.

No Shane. No Governor. This show finally got interesting.

Rick needs a foil.

 

[Insein]

No Shane. No governor. This show sucks.

No Shane. No Governor. This show finally got interesting.

Rick needs a foil.

Rick needs a hobby. He lost his farm.

 

[mr roboto]

No Shane. No governor. This show sucks.

No Shane. No Governor. This show finally got interesting.

Rick needs a foil.

Rick needs a hobby. He lost his farm.

A farm? You want to watch Little House on the Prarie?

 

[The Big Guy]

No Shane. No governor. This show sucks.

No Shane. No Governor. This show finally got interesting.

Rick needs a foil.

Rick needs a hobby. He lost his farm.

Rick needs a woman, he lost his wife.