***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (3 Viewers)

[Maik Jeaunz]

these people can hit zombie headshots while playing blindfolded hopscotch. but when the bad guy has a knife to your friend's throat, you don't trust your aim any more? just shoot him right in the "W"!

so now he's got guns, and your only doctor is probably zombie food. smooth.

 

[Thunderlips]

if they try to make Negan the guy who was talking in that clip, i might be out. that has to be one of negan's lackeys, no way is that the character from the comic book

I don't think that he's like Jimmy from Seinfeld and only refers to himself in the third person.

 

[Frostillicus]

It's funny to me that so many in this thread complain about decisions made by people on the show as if they'd somehow make better decisions or know what is right/wrong to do. Especially considering I'm sure 99% of you dorks would be dead in the first 24 hours of the apocalypse when there was no one replying to your threads in the FFA asking how to survive.

"Being gnawed on by my zombie wife. Will answer any questions for the next hour."

"Pole: Who would win. You with a wiffle ball bat or zombie with deadly mouth bites?"

and of course...

"There are zombies in my house. Thanks Obama."

OPM bites it first.

Seems mean.

I'll allow it.

 

[Harry Manback]

Morgan has gone from a decent character to probably the worst in the show.

Let's not get carried away here. As long as that preacher guy is on the show, it's really just a contest for second-worst.

Preacher guy and Eugene both have more balls/more likelihood of doing what's necessary to survive than Morgan.

Morgan would rather kill/hurt Carol than a murderer/thief. Pathetic and wholly unbelievable.

 

[Jayrok]

Why would the wolf leave the house and not kill everyone there? After all, he's insane and believes everyone should die. He has a knife and the girls toss over guns. He picks up the gun and holds it on them as if to say "no you don't be foolish and try to follow me, now." Morgan and Carol unconscious on the floor and three other people he could just shoot and leave. Odd behavior for a f'n wolf.

I could see him keeping the corpulent doctor to use as bait so he can slip by the walkers. But why not shoot everyone else?

 

[modogg]

Actually there was never really any shark to jump. This show has always been sketchy. Some episodes better than others but it's not like it suffered some huge drop in quality over the years.

Oddly enough..."Happy Days" had been crappy for a few seasons before the shark episode.

Season 1 was incredible. Maybe I'm too fondly remembering it but the first episode - seeing that kind of cinematic production on TV. So much promise, getting to the CDC, finding out the truth, first characters wrestling with 'do I really want to live in this kind of world'... Granted I never, and still haven't, read the comics. But IMO there's barely enough meat on the 'will humans retain their humanity' angle for even the best written and best acted version of this. But the constant changing of rules and the very mediocre to bad acting by most, with the rinse-and-repeat plot line (wander, find new safety, new place isn't what they hoped, should we stay or take over, oh #### a horde/illness/other group, nowhere is safe!!!!!!, wander) is just too much.But... I'll probably keep watching because #### it I've gotten this far.

Yep. My thoughts exactly too. I thought the first few seasons were very good. Not quite Breaking Bad good, but definitely up there. Zombies were still new and I was very interested if there would be a cure or some sort of sanctuary as well as the cause of the outbreak. Plus the Rick character was, initially, very well done.

The Governor stuff wasn't terrible but it was definitely one notch lower. I then got high hopes for Terminus but that fizzled pretty quickly. It really is kind of like what GordonGekko said: the series is lacking because it has no real direction and has devolved into a "who is the next bad guy" storyline with characters whose arcs have staled.

As far as I know the comic book is still being written.. I stopped reading them once it reached the Governor parts..

This means you best be prepared for this to continue as that is the basis of the Comic books from what I've seen in spoilers( Beat bad guys, find a nice place to rest, beat new bad guys, rinse and repeat).. I don't think it will come to a "Utopia" type ending any time soon.. No idea what their "end game" is.. as I can't imagine a "Cure" will be found..

good news is that they did change the formula up in the comics. I haven't read it in a bit, but I read probably another 70 or so comics after the Governor story line and the paradigm was changing as it went along. Last thing I remember in the comic was about aliens coming into the picture.

oh crap, that last sentence was supposed to be in spoilers

 

[comfortably numb]

Actually there was never really any shark to jump. This show has always been sketchy. Some episodes better than others but it's not like it suffered some huge drop in quality over the years.

Oddly enough..."Happy Days" had been crappy for a few seasons before the shark episode.

Season 1 was incredible. Maybe I'm too fondly remembering it but the first episode - seeing that kind of cinematic production on TV. So much promise, getting to the CDC, finding out the truth, first characters wrestling with 'do I really want to live in this kind of world'... Granted I never, and still haven't, read the comics. But IMO there's barely enough meat on the 'will humans retain their humanity' angle for even the best written and best acted version of this. But the constant changing of rules and the very mediocre to bad acting by most, with the rinse-and-repeat plot line (wander, find new safety, new place isn't what they hoped, should we stay or take over, oh #### a horde/illness/other group, nowhere is safe!!!!!!, wander) is just too much.But... I'll probably keep watching because #### it I've gotten this far.

Yep. My thoughts exactly too. I thought the first few seasons were very good. Not quite Breaking Bad good, but definitely up there. Zombies were still new and I was very interested if there would be a cure or some sort of sanctuary as well as the cause of the outbreak. Plus the Rick character was, initially, very well done.

The Governor stuff wasn't terrible but it was definitely one notch lower. I then got high hopes for Terminus but that fizzled pretty quickly. It really is kind of like what GordonGekko said: the series is lacking because it has no real direction and has devolved into a "who is the next bad guy" storyline with characters whose arcs have staled.

As far as I know the comic book is still being written.. I stopped reading them once it reached the Governor parts..

This means you best be prepared for this to continue as that is the basis of the Comic books from what I've seen in spoilers( Beat bad guys, find a nice place to rest, beat new bad guys, rinse and repeat).. I don't think it will come to a "Utopia" type ending any time soon.. No idea what their "end game" is.. as I can't imagine a "Cure" will be found..

good news is that they did change the formula up in the comics. I haven't read it in a bit, but I read probably another 70 or so comics after the Governor story line and the paradigm was changing as it went along. Last thing I remember in the comic was about aliens coming into the picture.

oh crap, that last sentence was supposed to be in spoilers

I may start watching again!

 

[kentric]

Why would the wolf leave the house and not kill everyone there? After all, he's insane and believes everyone should die. He has a knife and the girls toss over guns. He picks up the gun and holds it on them as if to say "no you don't be foolish and try to follow me, now." Morgan and Carol unconscious on the floor and three other people he could just shoot and leave. Odd behavior for a f'n wolf.

I could see him keeping the corpulent doctor to use as bait so he can slip by the walkers. But why not shoot everyone else?

I was wondering the same thing when watching the show. After thinking about it, the only reasons I could think of is that he:

1. didn't want to draw the walkers to him via the noise associated with firing the gun; and/or

2. he wanted to save his rounds in case he needed them to escape (by shooting walkers or other Alexandrites).

 

[wlwiles]

Why would the wolf leave the house and not kill everyone there? After all, he's insane and believes everyone should die. He has a knife and the girls toss over guns. He picks up the gun and holds it on them as if to say "no you don't be foolish and try to follow me, now." Morgan and Carol unconscious on the floor and three other people he could just shoot and leave. Odd behavior for a f'n wolf.

I could see him keeping the corpulent doctor to use as bait so he can slip by the walkers. But why not shoot everyone else?

I was wondering the same thing when watching the show. After thinking about it, the only reasons I could think of is that he:

1. didn't want to draw the walkers to him via the noise associated with firing the gun; and/or

2. he wanted to save his rounds in case he needed them to escape (by shooting walkers or other Alexandrites).

are we sure that the wolf guy knew that there was a herd of walkers right outside the house? Last week's episode showed Morgan and doc going in to look at his wound, then Carol showed up. I could easily see (from the wolf's POV) Morgan leaving the "cell" area to go do something and leaving the doc inside to tend to the wound.

I don't recall doc or anyone around the wolf talking about a billion zombies outside or anything. I think that the wolf took the doc hostage thinking in case he ran into any more humans while exiting the compound that he'd have a bartering chip.

 

[cstu]

One thing to remember.. Half way through Season two a lot of us were HATING part of the story line..

Oh, where's Sophia.. we need to find her.. she can't possibly be dead

But now many are willing to look pass how much people hated the lead up as the payoff was

The payoff was ok, but that was about 8 episodes of suck leading up to it.

All the stuff with Shane and Otis at the school ending with Shane sacrificing Otis was among the best stuff this show has ever done. All of that was during the time people were whining about the search for Sofia. Daryl's dream episode was pretty damn good too. Season 2 was outstanding from start to finish in my opinion.

I also liked S2. The characters were still being developed so the slow pace was fine to me. Now it seems like they are simply rehashing everything they did in the early seasons.

 

[cstu]

No here's what would have really happened. The like twenty dudes each with a bike and automatic weapons would have easily gotten out of the way of a truck that probably won't break 60MPH and cant accelerate for anything due to the fact it weighs more than a few tons. They then would have mowed Daryl, Abe and Sasha down in the cab in a hail of gunfire.

And they would have wasted their extremely valuable ammo doing that because?

 

[tommyboy]

No here's what would have really happened. The like twenty dudes each with a bike and automatic weapons would have easily gotten out of the way of a truck that probably won't break 60MPH and cant accelerate for anything due to the fact it weighs more than a few tons. They then would have mowed Daryl, Abe and Sasha down in the cab in a hail of gunfire.

there was only 8 guys, none of them had their bikes running, only 2 of them had auto or semi-auto AR-15 type weapons, the rest had rifles or shotguns, or nothing.

i'll take my chances

 

[stbugs]

No here's what would have really happened. The like twenty dudes each with a bike and automatic weapons would have easily gotten out of the way of a truck that probably won't break 60MPH and cant accelerate for anything due to the fact it weighs more than a few tons. They then would have mowed Daryl, Abe and Sasha down in the cab in a hail of gunfire.

there was only 8 guys, none of them had their bikes running, only 2 of them had auto or semi-auto AR-15 type weapons, the rest had rifles or shotguns, or nothing.

i'll take my chances

They could have easily stopped way in front of that group and gotten weapons ready (hello, rocket).

 

[Zow]

Carol vs. Morgan is boring because Morgan's character makes no sense. Ok, you had your little epiphany that 'all life is precious' but that doesn't mean you have to be a total ####ing moron and get people killed. Even Hershel and Dale had no problem killing when necessary.

I was thinking something along the same lines when I watched this last night. Morgan has somehow become more annoying than Dale was. That's saying something.

It sucks that they're ruining that character because he's a pretty decent actor imo.

I also thought he was a pretty decent character until most recently.

 

[mr roboto]

Carol vs. Morgan is boring because Morgan's character makes no sense. Ok, you had your little epiphany that 'all life is precious' but that doesn't mean you have to be a total ####ing moron and get people killed. Even Hershel and Dale had no problem killing when necessary.

I was thinking something along the same lines when I watched this last night. Morgan has somehow become more annoying than Dale was. That's saying something.

It sucks that they're ruining that character because he's a pretty decent actor imo.

I also thought he was a pretty decent character until most recently.

Yeah, they gave him 1 note to play over and over and over.

 

[Porkchop Express]

it's become clear that the powers that steer this ship are more concerned with producing event television than telling a story in an intelligent fashion. Look at Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, and The Wire, as examples of shows whose creators had a vision for their tale from start to finish (regardless of how many KIAs it would sell). This show has become more like American Horror Story, in that it's being driven by the desire to be water cooler fodder.

Also, I am sick of people stumbling over, TWD has taken that cliche to another level.

 

[snogger]

it's become clear that the powers that steer this ship are more concerned with producing event television than telling a story in an intelligent fashion. Look at Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, and The Wire, as examples of shows whose creators had a vision for their tale from start to finish (regardless of how many KIAs it would sell). This show has become more like American Horror Story, in that it's being driven by the desire to be water cooler fodder.

Also, I am sick of people stumbling over, TWD has taken that cliche to another level.

Not really.. the show is based on a comic book and is following it pretty close to how it was written.. they've deviated at times... Thank God, otherwise we would have had a Dale & Andrea love affair :X But overall the story arc has been already written

 

[modogg]

it's become clear that the powers that steer this ship are more concerned with producing event television than telling a story in an intelligent fashion. Look at Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, and The Wire, as examples of shows whose creators had a vision for their tale from start to finish (regardless of how many KIAs it would sell). This show has become more like American Horror Story, in that it's being driven by the desire to be water cooler fodder.

Also, I am sick of people stumbling over, TWD has taken that cliche to another level.

Not really.. the show is based on a comic book and is following it pretty close to how it was written.. they've deviated at times... Thank God, otherwise we would have had a Dale & Andrea love affair :X But overall the story arc has been already written

yup. this portion of the story was one comic book fans were wondering how it would play out. it is a "down time" in the comic story as well, and a lot less action. They have cut some things out and added others to try and keep this more action packed, but this was going to be a lull if they followed the story line, and in the grand scheme of things it is an important part of the story. maybe it was demonstrated better in the comic, and they tried to show how different life was for them outside of Alexandria and how it was now.

I am confident it will be a more entertaining 2nd half. It seems the cast were aware of this possibly occurring too because you can already see some minor damage control. They have an interview with Rick on ew.com and he is

Spoiler

hyping the 2nd half pretty good. says that episodes 9 and 10 are pretty fast paced, and episode 16 is going to be a big one too

. They have done interviews like this before where they have faked out the viewers before, but i think it is pretty hard for the next half to not be fun. It won't be boring unless everyone just hides in houses for awhile. i don't think they can get the complacency of Alexandria back for awhile.

ETA: i put in spoiler in case people don't want to have any clue as to how future episodes might be. really isn't any kind of a spoiler, but if people are hyper-sensitive to that it is there

 

[babydemon90]

why are people assuming Abraham and co.are going to hand over the weapons? I'm thinking he ducks in,and next thing,Abraham fires a rocket at the bikers....

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

it's become clear that the powers that steer this ship are more concerned with producing event television than telling a story in an intelligent fashion. Look at Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, and The Wire, as examples of shows whose creators had a vision for their tale from start to finish (regardless of how many KIAs it would sell). This show has become more like American Horror Story, in that it's being driven by the desire to be water cooler fodder.

Also, I am sick of people stumbling over, TWD has taken that cliche to another level.

Wel...yeah. Of course TWD appeals to a different demographic than the shows you listed.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

It's funny to me that so many in this thread complain about decisions made by people on the show as if they'd somehow make better decisions or know what is right/wrong to do. Especially considering I'm sure 99% of you dorks would be dead in the first 24 hours of the apocalypse when there was no one replying to your threads in the FFA asking how to survive.

"Being gnawed on by my zombie wife. Will answer any questions for the next hour."

"Pole: Who would win. You with a wiffle ball bat or zombie with deadly mouth bites?"

and of course...

"There are zombies in my house. Thanks Obama."

OPM bites it first.

Now allow me to retort.

Whether or not I would survive bears no matter. I'll admit that I'm probably too fat and out of shape to survive in the long run.

But I'm willing to bet that I could write smarter characters that the jagoffs that are pumping out scripts for TWD now.

 

[TenTimes]

Morgan would rather kill/hurt Carol than a murderer/thief. Pathetic and wholly unbelievable.

I think reforming the Wolf is a self-serving thing on Morgan's part, so it makes sense to me that he'd want to defend that.

 

[tommyboy]

Morgan needs to die

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Morgan needs to die

Like years ago

 

[bucksoh]

I meant there were several moments that were questionable at best, but I don't understand the plan of strapping a baby covered in rancid zombie guts to Carl and expecting her to not whimper or cry, which in turn would have exposed them all. Why not leave the little ones with Carl locked in the basement or somewhere else, you all go get the guns and let the battle begin?

Wondering this myself, I mean if a couch can stop the zombies from going upstairs. Why not barricade the kids in a bedroom and have Coral watch them, while Rick and the others go git more weapons.

Also why hasn't anyone ever thought of tearing the steps out of two-story house and have all the weapons and food on the second floor, and just pecking them off.

 

[bucksoh]

I watch both The Walking Dead and ZNation because I enjoy the genre (anything apocalyptic). Z Nation is corny, but the first 15 minutes of their latest episode (from last Friday) was as good as anything I have seen from TWD, and might have even been better.

Haven't seen the current episode yet, looking forward to it. Z nation rocks compared to TWD.

 

[modogg]

I watch both The Walking Dead and ZNation because I enjoy the genre (anything apocalyptic). Z Nation is corny, but the first 15 minutes of their latest episode (from last Friday) was as good as anything I have seen from TWD, and might have even been better.

Haven't seen the current episode yet, looking forward to it. Z nation rocks compared to TWD.

i love Z Nation too, but really think they are just 2 different shows with the only common element being zombies. Z Nation is just so fast-paced and it is nice that they have a world where people aren't safe and can go at any time. The one thing that surprises me with it is that i have to imagine they have 1/10 of the budget of the Walking Dead but you wouldn't know it from watching it

 

[bucksoh]

It's funny to me that so many in this thread complain about decisions made by people on the show as if they'd somehow make better decisions or know what is right/wrong to do. Especially considering I'm sure 99% of you dorks would be dead in the first 24 hours of the apocalypse when there was no one replying to your threads in the FFA asking how to survive.

"Being gnawed on by my zombie wife. Will answer any questions for the next hour."

"Pole: Who would win. You with a wiffle ball bat or zombie with deadly mouth bites?"

and of course...

"There are zombies in my house. Thanks Obama."

OPM bites it first.

I'm pretty sure if the zombies were as slow in real life and took as long for people to turn into zombies when they were bitten(as in TWD) that the only dorks that would die are the ones arguing that it would be plausible that there would be a zombie apocalypse. In real life there would be no TWD. World war Z, and Z nation could at least be plausible seeing it spreads so fast, TWD not ever.

 

[(HULK)]

No here's what would have really happened. The like twenty dudes each with a bike and automatic weapons would have easily gotten out of the way of a truck that probably won't break 60MPH and cant accelerate for anything due to the fact it weighs more than a few tons. They then would have mowed Daryl, Abe and Sasha down in the cab in a hail of gunfire.

there was only 8 guys, none of them had their bikes running, only 2 of them had auto or semi-auto AR-15 type weapons, the rest had rifles or shotguns, or nothing.

i'll take my chances

Yup. Stop, start sniping them forcing them to cover behind their bikes, then rocket into bikes. Win.

 

[(HULK)]

It's funny to me that so many in this thread complain about decisions made by people on the show as if they'd somehow make better decisions or know what is right/wrong to do. Especially considering I'm sure 99% of you dorks would be dead in the first 24 hours of the apocalypse when there was no one replying to your threads in the FFA asking how to survive.

"Being gnawed on by my zombie wife. Will answer any questions for the next hour."

"Pole: Who would win. You with a wiffle ball bat or zombie with deadly mouth bites?"

and of course...

"There are zombies in my house. Thanks Obama."

OPM bites it first.

I'm pretty sure if the zombies were as slow in real life and took as long for people to turn into zombies when they were bitten(as in TWD) that the only dorks that would die are the ones arguing that it would be plausible that there would be a zombie apocalypse. In real life there would be no TWD. World war Z, and Z nation could at least be plausible seeing it spreads so fast, TWD not ever.

Yup. 28 Days Later another example of one that could actually destroy the planet.

The books Dead of Night and Fall of Night by Jonathan Mayberry gives a plausible explanation for a slow moving zombie takeover. I can think of another one as well. This was my biggest disappointment with this show and the LA version... there is literally no chance the situation they end up in is plausible. The zombies would never win.

 

[snogger]

why are people assuming Abraham and co.are going to hand over the weapons? I'm thinking he ducks in,and next thing,Abraham fires a rocket at the bikers....

Guessing something is about to go down that brings Negan into the story line further..

 

[doowain]

It's funny to me that so many in this thread complain about decisions made by people on the show as if they'd somehow make better decisions or know what is right/wrong to do. Especially considering I'm sure 99% of you dorks would be dead in the first 24 hours of the apocalypse when there was no one replying to your threads in the FFA asking how to survive.

"Being gnawed on by my zombie wife. Will answer any questions for the next hour."

"Pole: Who would win. You with a wiffle ball bat or zombie with deadly mouth bites?"

and of course...

"There are zombies in my house. Thanks Obama."

OPM bites it first.

I'm pretty sure if the zombies were as slow in real life and took as long for people to turn into zombies when they were bitten(as in TWD) that the only dorks that would die are the ones arguing that it would be plausible that there would be a zombie apocalypse. In real life there would be no TWD. World war Z, and Z nation could at least be plausible seeing it spreads so fast, TWD not ever.

@ zombies "in real life"

OPM bites you for being so silly.

*rings dinner bell*

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Morgan needs to die

I will let him

 

[cstu]

Morgan needs to die

Like years ago

What was the point of him returning?

 

[kentric]

It's funny to me that so many in this thread complain about decisions made by people on the show as if they'd somehow make better decisions or know what is right/wrong to do. Especially considering I'm sure 99% of you dorks would be dead in the first 24 hours of the apocalypse when there was no one replying to your threads in the FFA asking how to survive.

"Being gnawed on by my zombie wife. Will answer any questions for the next hour."

"Pole: Who would win. You with a wiffle ball bat or zombie with deadly mouth bites?"

and of course...

"There are zombies in my house. Thanks Obama."

OPM bites it first.

I'm pretty sure if the zombies were as slow in real life and took as long for people to turn into zombies when they were bitten(as in TWD) that the only dorks that would die are the ones arguing that it would be plausible that there would be a zombie apocalypse. In real life there would be no TWD. World war Z, and Z nation could at least be plausible seeing it spreads so fast, TWD not ever.

But you're forgetting about the stealth zombies. The ones that can walk through the forest without making noise or showing themselves. They're quite the game changer in the red-shirt world.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

why are people assuming Abraham and co.are going to hand over the weapons? I'm thinking he ducks in,and next thing,Abraham fires a rocket at the bikers....

Is it tucked in his cool military jacket? Because he's like 10' from the truck at the end there.

 

[babydemon90]

why are people assuming Abraham and co.are going to hand over the weapons? I'm thinking he ducks in,and next thing,Abraham fires a rocket at the bikers....

Is it tucked in his cool military jacket? Because he's like 10' from the truck at the end there.

If Glenn can escape falling into a crowd of zombies, I think Abraham can make it to his rocket launcher. Not saying he will, I'm saying it's not impossible though.

 

[snogger]

why are people assuming Abraham and co.are going to hand over the weapons? I'm thinking he ducks in,and next thing,Abraham fires a rocket at the bikers....

Is it tucked in his cool military jacket? Because he's like 10' from the truck at the end there.

If Glenn can escape falling into a crowd of zombies, I think Abraham can make it to his rocket launcher. Not saying he will, I'm saying it's not impossible though.

Glenn's escape will be forgotten as much as people have forgotten Tyreese being surrounded by about 30 zombies and somehow fighting his way out and with not even a scratch..

Things "happen" in the Comic book world that go beyond explanation and over time you just have to roll with it

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Regarding comic readers being excited for Negan being the coolest character ever, weren't Tyreese and The Governor also fan favorites in the comics? These guys aren't great at making fan favorites anymore. Who was the last character people loved that wasn't one of the original group created by the original show writer?

Then there's Morgan too, who everyone just wanted to love as the season started before they turned him into Black Dale. I definitely agree that the show needs some kind of internal strife to remain interesting but this strife isn't at its best when it's badass vs. caricature over the top good (IE Shane vs. Dale), it's interesting when it's badass vs. conflicted (IE Shane vs. Rick). They should have left Morgan somewhere around where Rick was in season 2 and it would have worked.

Either way, Morgan is a good actor with a cool backstory and a badass accent that can tear up a field of guys with his badass ninja bowstaff badassery. If they can screw that up and make him someone that fans hate then I don't have the most faith in this Negan guy materializing into TWD's Darth Vader.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Morgan needs to die

Like years ago

What was the point of him returning?

The dud that plays Morgan suddenly had a bunch of free time since Low Winter Sun went down in flames?

 

[Buckfast 1]

Why would the wolf leave the house and not kill everyone there? After all, he's insane and believes everyone should die. He has a knife and the girls toss over guns. He picks up the gun and holds it on them as if to say "no you don't be foolish and try to follow me, now." Morgan and Carol unconscious on the floor and three other people he could just shoot and leave. Odd behavior for a f'n wolf.

I could see him keeping the corpulent doctor to use as bait so he can slip by the walkers. But why not shoot everyone else?

Maybe Morgan's daily lectures regarding the merits of peaceful non-violence were starting to sink in with the Wolf.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Morgan needs to die

Like years ago

What was the point of him returning?

The dud that plays Morgan suddenly had a bunch of free time since Low Winter Sun went down in flames?

He was a pretty solid pimp in Hung.

 

[snogger]

Regarding comic readers being excited for Negan being the coolest character ever, weren't Tyreese and The Governor also fan favorites in the comics? These guys aren't great at making fan favorites anymore. Who was the last character people loved that wasn't one of the original group created by the original show writer?

Then there's Morgan too, who everyone just wanted to love as the season started before they turned him into Black Dale. I definitely agree that the show needs some kind of internal strife to remain interesting but this strife isn't at its best when it's badass vs. caricature over the top good (IE Shane vs. Dale), it's interesting when it's badass vs. conflicted (IE Shane vs. Rick). They should have left Morgan somewhere around where Rick was in season 2 and it would have worked.

Either way, Morgan is a good actor with a cool backstory and a badass accent that can tear up a field of guys with his badass ninja bowstaff badassery. If they can screw that up and make him someone that fans hate then I don't have the most faith in this Negan guy materializing into TWD's Darth Vader.

I liked the Governor conflict story line the first time around..

When they had him live on and return a second time was when they lost me..

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Regarding comic readers being excited for Negan being the coolest character ever, weren't Tyreese and The Governor also fan favorites in the comics? These guys aren't great at making fan favorites anymore. Who was the last character people loved that wasn't one of the original group created by the original show writer?

Then there's Morgan too, who everyone just wanted to love as the season started before they turned him into Black Dale. I definitely agree that the show needs some kind of internal strife to remain interesting but this strife isn't at its best when it's badass vs. caricature over the top good (IE Shane vs. Dale), it's interesting when it's badass vs. conflicted (IE Shane vs. Rick). They should have left Morgan somewhere around where Rick was in season 2 and it would have worked.

Either way, Morgan is a good actor with a cool backstory and a badass accent that can tear up a field of guys with his badass ninja bowstaff badassery. If they can screw that up and make him someone that fans hate then I don't have the most faith in this Negan guy materializing into TWD's Darth Vader.

I liked the Governor conflict story line the first time around..

When they had him live on and return a second time was when they lost me..

Storyline would have been ok if they got a half-decent actor imo. He was pretty laughable.

 

[El Floppo]

yeah- poor.

main gripes:

- the episode is about the invasion of the walkers, but instead it mostly revolves around people hanging out in houses, listening to Tiny Tim, having cartoonishly bad fights and being subjected to cliched maternal advice.

- everybody has to fall down? Maggie- surrounded by walkers decides to take potshots while lying on the ground? and then she has to slowly, carefully make her way up the ladder instead of parkouring that ####? Carol slips on... shell casings?

- carol- the mischievous, wise long-play schemer decides that's the best moment to go off the Wolf?

- the whole scene with the Wolf... all it needed was somebody to get hit in the head with a frying pan and then have their face take the shape of the frying pan. so stupid. two knock outs. convenient. I actually get the two girls at least lowering their guns to avoid having the last doctor standing get taken out. giving up the guns? wolf not slashing all their throats or shooting killing them right there? has Morgan changed him? is he feeling sympathy/thankful to the doc for helping him? given the writing the past couple episodes, no- just plot devices to upset the balance.

- mom is a hairstylist with all her gear to give rick the super-cuts treatment, but she can only give her son the 3$ homeless mormon bowlcut?

- speaking of sam... hey guys, the ants are the walking dead. and they're inside the house. subtle.

- kudlitz has an rpg. I figure he'd be riding that thing 24/7 like it was a MCgashummer dong cartoon. step slowly out of the vehicle? yeah- ok...

 

[Spike]

I'm calling it right here, mark this post down:

Spoiler

If Negan doesn't bash either Glenn's or Maggie's head in with a baseball bat at the end of this season the writers have no balls.

I'm refining it - it'll be Glenn.

 

[tonydead]

- carol- the mischievous, wise long-play schemer decides that's the best moment to go off the Wolf?

Excellent point.

 

[tonydead]

I'm calling it right here, mark this post down:

Spoiler

If Negan doesn't bash either Glenn's or Maggie's head in with a baseball bat at the end of this season the writers have no balls.

Spoiler

I'm refining it - it'll be Glenn.

Spoiler

I agree, simple because Maggie's preggo. But, since they don't exactly follow the comics it could've been either one. I think they have to have Negan kill someone significant given all the recent parallels to the comics. If they don't have the balls to split that love fest up I'm going to be really disappointed. If it ends up being someone lame like the Deanna kill I'll be more than flabbergasted disappointed.

 

[Thunderlips]

I'm calling it right here, mark this post down:

Spoiler

If Negan doesn't bash either Glenn's or Maggie's head in with a baseball bat at the end of this season the writers have no balls.

Spoiler

I'm refining it - it'll be Glenn.

I think Darryl is a dark horse for that.

 

[jamny]

I thought the role of the Governor was poorly cast right from the beginning. I'm hoping for a better job from the guy playing Negan.