I read the comics, so the show interests me, but if we didn't have our little tradition around watching it, I doubt I'd put it on. But I'll compromise and watch something that I'm not really into to spend time with her. Lord knows she's watched more NFL/MMA than she ever dreamed she would.You'd have to pay me to watch a show only because my SO watched.. My wife & daughter have watched every episode of every season of supernatural(I think there are 11 or 12 now) and I have yet to watch one full episode... If a show doesn't interest me I'm not going to waste time watching it.
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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (3 Viewers)
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NYRAGE
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I like the show, but it's poorly written.You get a few great minutes on every episode to keep you watching, but it's all filled with a lot of mediocre to bad writing. I hate when people blindly defend it. I have a friend that during all the implausible scenes will say something like "Rick was lucky".....yeah, Rick was lucky to have such crappy writers.
Parrothead
Footballguy
So Rick gets them guns- what is to stop these trash heapsters from walking away? "Thanks for the guns suckers"!
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I remember watching other seasons that were filled with tension, suspense, and a sense that something exciting was going to happen each episode, whether it be Rick's group vs. zombies, Rick's group vs. other groups, or Rick's group vs. Rick's group.
Now the zombies are all but written out of the storyline, there really isn't much internal fighting, and the plot now is mostly a build up to the war among factions.
Maggie is barely in the show these days. Rick still has Judith floating around somewhere. And I hate that we can go weeks without really seeing some of the characters.
It's starting to remind me of Lost. I couldn't wait to see the next Lost episode in the early years and it was must watch tv. The last couple years I watched all the episodes eventually but it didn't keep my interest to the level it did earlier. Maybe TWD will hit another stride of really good episodes, but like others it isn't grabbing me much these days.
Now the zombies are all but written out of the storyline, there really isn't much internal fighting, and the plot now is mostly a build up to the war among factions.
Maggie is barely in the show these days. Rick still has Judith floating around somewhere. And I hate that we can go weeks without really seeing some of the characters.
It's starting to remind me of Lost. I couldn't wait to see the next Lost episode in the early years and it was must watch tv. The last couple years I watched all the episodes eventually but it didn't keep my interest to the level it did earlier. Maybe TWD will hit another stride of really good episodes, but like others it isn't grabbing me much these days.
packersfan
Footballguy
This was one of the biggest issues I had with the first half of the season. Other than Maggie right now the first two episodes of the back half are at least attempting to fix that by keeping the group together. If the previews are any indication this week's episode will be Dwight-centric so in other words "Ugh" for me. If that's true that will mean Dwight will have gotten two episodes devoted significantly to his character. Maggie, on the other hand, will have gotten one. That's not a ratio that works for me and it's among the reasons why the season overall hasn't clicked to this point.
beer 30
Footballguy
That zombie was bad ###, surprised we haven't seen more of that with the macabre #### some of these groups have done. Agree that the new group is turrible and WTF with the way they talk? Jadis et al not finish junior high? Annoyed the heck out of me.
They wouldn't have said it that way, it would have been more like, "guns [nod] [finger wave] [cough] now go".
packersfan
Footballguy
Rick's always been the lead character. Kirkman has said repeatedly the show is told from his perspective. I'm only speaking for myself but if Rick goes the show ends for me. There are other characters I like but Rick Grimes is the key one and always has been for me. There is no Walking Dead for me without him.
ETA - I wonder how much of Lincoln's screen time being scaled back is a way to keep him invested in continuing the show. Seven seasons of being in every single episode would take its toll. Maybe Gimple and AMC execs have talked to him and said that we'll cut back your time if you keep with us. Would make sense.
ETA - I wonder how much of Lincoln's screen time being scaled back is a way to keep him invested in continuing the show. Seven seasons of being in every single episode would take its toll. Maybe Gimple and AMC execs have talked to him and said that we'll cut back your time if you keep with us. Would make sense.
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What an awful episode. Ugh, one of the freaking worst of the bunch. I don't care about Daryl not telling Carol at first, but why the #### would he alienate the only ### #### person in the kingdom who's goal is the exact same as theirs? Why can't two people who want the same thing discuss some rational plans? So stupid. Hey Daryl, why don't you just tell Carol about Glenn and Abraham and get her to convince Ezekiel. Nope, instead of working with the only guy who wants what you want or your best friend, you choose to only have Morgan be your guy when he was the one who convinced Ezekiel to not fight.
Also, the garbage pail kids/what the baseball bunch gang looks like now people may have been the worst invention yet. Even the stupid zombie Rick killed. I was laughing with my sons telling them Rick could have literally taken one of the blue rubbermaid bins (Walmart version) right behind him and just used that to safely push the zombie down and then kill it. All of a sudden Rick doesn't know what to do? Use the trash Rick! F U producers, ruined a great show.
That scene was an insult to the good episodes where they showed us how good our people were at killing zombies. This episode was just an absolute insult to scenes like Daryl carrying out Beth and Rick killing Shane or Shane sacrificing the fat guy. I no longer even look forward to watching it anymore and that sucks. I'll probably keep watching just because I want to see the battle with Negan, which for the future of this show, has to come soon. If they drag it out until next season, there won't be any ratings any more. I can't imagine people will continue to watch as we get crap like this week. It might have been one of the first times I waited to watch it the next day on DVR when I was just watching TV on Sunday night. I am about ready to call it a season and just wait to binge watch it.
Also, the garbage pail kids/what the baseball bunch gang looks like now people may have been the worst invention yet. Even the stupid zombie Rick killed. I was laughing with my sons telling them Rick could have literally taken one of the blue rubbermaid bins (Walmart version) right behind him and just used that to safely push the zombie down and then kill it. All of a sudden Rick doesn't know what to do? Use the trash Rick! F U producers, ruined a great show.
That scene was an insult to the good episodes where they showed us how good our people were at killing zombies. This episode was just an absolute insult to scenes like Daryl carrying out Beth and Rick killing Shane or Shane sacrificing the fat guy. I no longer even look forward to watching it anymore and that sucks. I'll probably keep watching just because I want to see the battle with Negan, which for the future of this show, has to come soon. If they drag it out until next season, there won't be any ratings any more. I can't imagine people will continue to watch as we get crap like this week. It might have been one of the first times I waited to watch it the next day on DVR when I was just watching TV on Sunday night. I am about ready to call it a season and just wait to binge watch it.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Daryl can see that Carol is suffering and he didn't want to add onto it. That scene wasn't a problem at all in my opinion.
zoonation
Footballguy
The problem is the lazy writing. Some of the dialogue is so laughably bad. It is orders of magnitude worse than the great shows (BB, Mad Men, Sopranos etc.).
Agree with Anarchy that the show was at its peak when there were various streams of tension and a sense of anxiety about what was coming next. Now everything is full on yawn.
the talent just is not there on the creative side. the actors are fine.
Agree with Anarchy that the show was at its peak when there were various streams of tension and a sense of anxiety about what was coming next. Now everything is full on yawn.
the talent just is not there on the creative side. the actors are fine.
I was fine with that as well, but him leaving the way he did and trusting Morgan to be his advocate just irked me. He wants the kingdom involved yet he can just have a conversation with **** that Carol is very important to him and not a pawn, but hey, let's think about a better way than sacrificing Carol. Heck, same for ****, he knows Daryl cares for her but he's going to lose Daryl, a guy who could help him. Just so damn stupid. I'm just getting tired of bad writing as an excuse to keep the kingdom from joining the fray. Glenn and Abraham getting their heads smashed in won't convince Morgan to act, but damn it, now that they took his stick, time to get mad.
packersfan
Footballguy
**** wants to sacrifice Carol to serve the greater good (very Shane of him). Daryl's having none of that. I don't consider any of that to be bad writing and I thought the Daryl-Carol stuff was strong. ****'s entire plan was based on the Saviors killing Carol. It's not like he had multiple plans he had come up with to convince Daryl to work with him. He had one plan and Daryl wasn't gonna go along with it. Again, I had no problems with any of that stuff.
I think Morgan is going to join the fight at some point. I agree they're being overly deliberate in getting us there but it's bound to happen. There's too much pointing that way in my opinion.
Sorry, I disagree. Daryl loves Carol so much that he threatens **** if something happens, but then leaves? WTF does **** care? He's ready to die, so he could still sacrifice Carol to get Ezekiel to bring the kingdom into the fray and risk Daryl finding out. If they go into a full out war, it's not going to matter anyway.
I have been a big backer of the show and not really worried about silly stuff (like the van flip) when it didn't matter. This, however, is the whole crux of this season and I hope it is this season and not extended into the next. All about getting all the groups to fight the saviors. Daryl is safe at the kingdom, but he leaves telling Morgan to work on it when Morgan said no? I don't care about not telling Carol, but leaving her and hoping **** doesn't do something? I just don't get the stupid drama as if that scene between **** and Daryl was great. Why not something better like when our crew was starving with a herd coming and they came up with a great plan to throw walkers off the bridge? Just lazy writing to end with the whole Morgan will just change his mind, probably when the young kid he's mentoring gets killed with his stick. I like the #### character and he and Daryl could come up with a pretty solid plan, but nope.
packersfan
Footballguy
Plenty of things in the episode bothered me. The Daryl stuff didn't.
Rick acting like he'd never seen a walker before when he got thrown in the pit was far worse than any of the Daryl stuff. Then again, pretty much everything about the junk yard kids stuff was real weak.
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El Floppo
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snogger
Footballguy
Richard clearly told Daryl, I don't care who she is to you, she is the best pawn to use to get to the final battle. Nothing Daryl was going to say was going to change his mind. The only way out was to beat Richard to a pulp and set it straight that Carol dies you die.stbugs said:
beer 30
Footballguy
bugs, don't take it the wrong way because we go a ways back to the LOST thread where you did some of the best work I've seen on this board. I had to laugh at the above though, I hate it but I'm gonna keep watching it. Made me grin.stbugs said:
I get what you're saying and appreciate you take it to the next level when it comes to evaluating your TV. It's truly next level. I don't disagree but it's a zombie show. It has it really good episodes and it has some really bad ones. At the end of the day it entertains me so I keep watching. I understand others are disappointed in the level of effort from the writers but I loved robo zombie in the trash pit. I thought of Rick's hesitancy like, "are you ####### kidding me? I've seen people eaten alive, people sacrifice other people and now some no talking mother####ers run spikes through Wilson and I gotta deal with this ####?"
packersfan
Footballguy
The trash walker was pretty cool but Rick's reaction took me entirely out of the scene. He acted like this was the first walker he'd ever seen, bumbling and stumbling about. Didn't feel in character at all.
shadyridr
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
playin4beer
Footballguy
Would have been WAY better if Rick had looked up to the weird chick, shook his head and dispatched the walker in some bad ### way...quickly
packersfan
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
The Richard/Daryl/Carol stuff wasn't each that dumb on their own, but combined together in succession it kind of got there.packersfan said:Plenty of things in the episode bothered me. The Daryl stuff didn't.
Richard was dumb for enlisting Daryl's help in the first place when he knew that Carol and Daryl were from the same group. Then he doubled down on the stupid by describing who the pawn was after it was clear to him that Carol was important to Daryl.
Daryl was dumb for not telling Carol. I know I know he was trying to protect Carol after what she told him but come on man, it's the freaking zombie apocalypse. Let's just keep letting people get murdered by the Saviors because Carol might be sad otherwise. And what the heck was he waiting for to tell her anyway? He arrived during daylight and she didn't tell him that story until later at dark around the fire. He hadn't thought to mention it before then?
Then Daryl doubled down on the stupid by going to Morgan and being all shocked that Morgan had the ability to convince Zeke but wouldn't do it when he just did the exact same thing by not telling Carol.
And the whole Carol thing is just a dumb plot device to drag this out anyway. She murdered a freaking child and then went about her day. But now she's a fragile little flower that's not going to be able to handle it if she has to kill some mass murderers? Come on.
In The Zone
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
**** didn't know that Carol and Daryl were from the same group. Morgan had never told any of them about the group, only that he had a run-in with the Saviors before and he only told Ezekiel that. I'm not sure what's so hard to see about why Daryl didn't tell Carol what had really happened to the group. She's clearly going through a ton of chit based on all the killing she's done and it's affecting her. He could see that and didn't want to add to her despair. An action of compassion that made complete sense in my opinion.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
What? He was standing right there when Rick and Daryl and crew walked into the kingdom and went and hugged their buddy Morgan.
He could have easily pulled one of the spikes out of it's body and stabbed up it's throat with that.
packersfan
Footballguy
I don't remember all of them seeing that. I'll have to go back and re-watch that part.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Richard was present when Morgan got his hugs from the group. He could put two and two together and figure this was Carol's group. But he didn't know how close Daryl was to Carol. He only knew he and Daryl wanted the same thing with regard to the Saviors. I still don't know why he didn't offer to come up with a new plan since Daryl was so close to Carol. It will probably be the teenager who will die and cause Ezekiel to commit to the fight.
snogger
Footballguy
Richard has proven to be close minded.. he had a plan and if Daryl wasn't going to follow him, to bad it was his plan..
As for the Bold part.. That is what I predicted above.. Someone has to die to bring Morgan, Carol and the Kingdom into the fight and the only common denominator, IMO, is the kid. .. The only question is if it just happens, or Richard makes it happen
Todem
Footballguy
It reminded me of Beneath The Planet Of The Apes. That mutant group that lived underground in what used to be the subways of NY city. Stiff, strange way they talked (once they stared speaking by opening their mouths), just a bizarre group of people.
The show has taken such a campy turn.....and it's cool. It is based on a comic book for crying out loud. I really liked this past weeks episode. Much better than the season opener which was laughably bad. One of the worst in a long time. The acting was horrendously campy in a bad way.
But.....show is on track. Huge war is going to go down and I am going to enjoy watching Michonne decapitate some savior heads, Rick going postal with his hachet, Daryl cutting down mofo's with his new crossbow (and getting his old one back from his dead cold hands) and of course Maggie. Ahhh yes Maggie. She will batter Negan...oh yes we are talking full caved in skull crushing carnage.
Funny.....the Walkers have taken a full on back seat in this show. It's all about survival. It is the freaking wild wild west. Walkers are just an annoyance at this point.
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The Big Guy
Fear the Blitz
So when the young kid gets killed by the Saviors at a food drop, spurring Eziekiel into joining the war, does Morgan collect the kid's bostaff and that is his motivation to join the battle? All conjecture, no comic reading.
snogger
Footballguy
No idea how they will do it, or if, but it sure seems that is the trend... To go completely off the wall here.
Richard follows the kid as he goes out on one of his "Growing up" walks and Richard kills the Kid making it look like the Saviors did it. Leaving us to decide who we "hate" more..
Negan or Richard..
wlwiles
Footballguy
Just got a chance to watch the latest episode. Ugh. Lots of turnoffs for me right now. I'm still probably 100% invested in seeing this show through until it's completion whenever that may be, just because I've invested so much time into it already, but damn they are making it tough. Lots of headscratching writing going on these days.
1. Garbage Pail Kids leader girl talks like a 3 yr old. "Me want guns. No bother people. Live in trash. Grunt grunt...." :X
2. Rick has fought multiple walkers, barehanded, in the dark, has killed hundreds of them without a gun or traditional weapon, is arguably the best killer in the surviving world, but all of a sudden he turns into Eugene just because a walker has spikes sticking out of him? Maggie dispatched one in S2 at the prison in full out riot gear in about 0.25 seconds.
3. Daryl has become the moodiest character on the show. I may be in the minority on this one, but I grew to hate Jesse Pinkman in BrBa in the later seasons because he was so damn brooding all the time. Daryl is the same way now...love Norman Reedus, but the writers have ruined Daryl Dixon.
4. Someone else said it before...this whole storyline of "Carol is a delicate flower who can't be given any bad news or it'll upset her" is idiotic. She killed a kid, secretly executed sick people at the prison in order to save the group (knowing it would get her exiled), led an assault on Terminus with a bottle rocket, pulled off the two-faced show of demure housewife/suburban commando when they got to Alexandria, but she might just have a breakdown if she finds out the Saviors killed Glenn and Abe. Writers should have had Daryl tell her everything, and either she snaps out of it and says "lets go kick their asses", or Daryl walks out of the house alone, and we never have to see Carol's character again on the show, just let her be a hermit and ignore her forever. The fragile flower BS needs to end ASAP. Same goes for Morgan IMO...he should go live in the house with Carol so they can quilt together and sip coffee and die of boredom.
5. Tara holding onto her torch of honor for some girl she isn't supposed to ever see again in her life, by not telling Rick and Co. about Oceanside, even though she knows this group has all the guns they'll need AND they have a grudge against the Saviors JUST LIKE HER GROUP DOES. But oh no, she promised Cindy she wouldn't say anything...stupid
1. Garbage Pail Kids leader girl talks like a 3 yr old. "Me want guns. No bother people. Live in trash. Grunt grunt...." :X
2. Rick has fought multiple walkers, barehanded, in the dark, has killed hundreds of them without a gun or traditional weapon, is arguably the best killer in the surviving world, but all of a sudden he turns into Eugene just because a walker has spikes sticking out of him? Maggie dispatched one in S2 at the prison in full out riot gear in about 0.25 seconds.
3. Daryl has become the moodiest character on the show. I may be in the minority on this one, but I grew to hate Jesse Pinkman in BrBa in the later seasons because he was so damn brooding all the time. Daryl is the same way now...love Norman Reedus, but the writers have ruined Daryl Dixon.
4. Someone else said it before...this whole storyline of "Carol is a delicate flower who can't be given any bad news or it'll upset her" is idiotic. She killed a kid, secretly executed sick people at the prison in order to save the group (knowing it would get her exiled), led an assault on Terminus with a bottle rocket, pulled off the two-faced show of demure housewife/suburban commando when they got to Alexandria, but she might just have a breakdown if she finds out the Saviors killed Glenn and Abe. Writers should have had Daryl tell her everything, and either she snaps out of it and says "lets go kick their asses", or Daryl walks out of the house alone, and we never have to see Carol's character again on the show, just let her be a hermit and ignore her forever. The fragile flower BS needs to end ASAP. Same goes for Morgan IMO...he should go live in the house with Carol so they can quilt together and sip coffee and die of boredom.
5. Tara holding onto her torch of honor for some girl she isn't supposed to ever see again in her life, by not telling Rick and Co. about Oceanside, even though she knows this group has all the guns they'll need AND they have a grudge against the Saviors JUST LIKE HER GROUP DOES. But oh no, she promised Cindy she wouldn't say anything...stupid
snogger
Footballguy
About #4... That's the point.. she's done all of that and realized she had become someone WORSE then her dead husband.. She had become everything she hated and thus hated herself.. She was willing to die rather then continue being that person...
Why people are having such a hard time understanding that is a :whoosh: to me..
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
She went from "hey Morgan, stop being such a pacifist p###y", to "hey Morgan, I'm a pacifist p###y just like you!" overnight.
It was so forced and ridiculous.
gianmarco
Footballguy
All of this. Plus, Rosita's "attitude" is so horribly over the top and possibly the most annoying at this point.
The only saving grace for me (pun intended) is Gabriel. I used to really dislike him. He's now one of the few characters I can tolerate.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
for those wanting more analysis of each episode, New Rockstars on YouTube does a nice recap of every episode. They do other shows as well and even some trailer breakdowns. I must be a real 
because I really find this stuff interesting.
They have season 7, episode 9 up so far and episode 10 should be up any day
https://www.youtube.com/user/NewMediaRockstars
because I really find this stuff interesting.They have season 7, episode 9 up so far and episode 10 should be up any day
https://www.youtube.com/user/NewMediaRockstars
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Me Grimlock.
