***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (3 Viewers)

[stbugs]

look- that scene, I was all-in. tense as a mofo- how in hell are they going to get out of that? and then the avoid a gun to the back of the head throat bit- I found it terrible- laughably cringey and ruined that scene. the show is chock full o' moments like that. at this point, each episode is full of moments like that. but... and I tried to make it clear-

throat bite < bottle rocket < van flip < dumpster glenn

the romance stuff. meh. I don't mind if it's incorporated as an organic part of the show and idea of the show. I can see that they're setting this up as safer, civilization reboot, so I guess it makes sense for some of that stuff to come back into play to show that they're creating normalcy in that society. it's just not well done or terribly interesting. 

I may have to go back and watch that scene but I won’t let you ruin it for me. The show itself hasn’t been well done in a few seasons. Van flip was corny but at least the rest of the show was watchable. You can forgive even the bottle rocket because Terminus wasn’t the Smithsonian.

It just makes you wonder how the people making the show don’t see it. Make it dark again. Make it a struggle and make people you like (not sure if there are any now) die.

The best thing for the show right now is a herd that they can’t handle. Disperse and kill off a bunch. Have them wander into REI and curse Rick for being stupid as they check out the 2015 canoe collection.

 

[mozzy84]

Is this the final season? One of my coworkers was saying that but I never heard that.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

look- that scene, I was all-in. tense as a mofo- how in hell are they going to get out of that? and then the avoid a gun to the back of the head throat bit- I found it terrible- laughably cringey and ruined that scene. the show is chock full o' moments like that. at this point, each episode is full of moments like that. but... and I tried to make it clear-

throat bite < bottle rocket < van flip < dumpster glenn

the romance stuff. meh. I don't mind if it's incorporated as an organic part of the show and idea of the show. I can see that they're setting this up as safer, civilization reboot, so I guess it makes sense for some of that stuff to come back into play to show that they're creating normalcy in that society. it's just not well done or terribly interesting. 

IIRC there’s one fight where Rick Grimes blows a big snot bubble

 

[El Floppo]

IIRC there’s one fight where Rick Grimes blows a big snot bubble

see.. now THAT'S the type of gritty realism the show desperately needs.

 

[El Floppo]

Is this the final season? One of my coworkers was saying that but I never heard that.

dunno, but it's rick's final season... kinda the same thing.

 

[Raging weasel]

Still watching but no longer must watch asap for me either. I like Rick and Michonne but they have no chemistry as a couple and their scenes are painful to watch.

Seems like Rick has setup basically what Negan had going only with Maggie in the Negan role. Glad Gregory is finally dead but would've preferred watching him get his face chewed off or some other kind of suffering. Looks like we are heading to a Maggie/Darryl vs Rick finale where we already know how it turns out.

 

[snogger]

Is this the final season? One of my coworkers was saying that but I never heard that.

dunno, but it's rick's final season... kinda the same thing.

maybe that is what TWD needs.. Getting rid of Carl, Rick and probably Maggie sends the show off the tracks compared to the Comics so the writers won't feel the need to stay "true" to the story arc.

Then again, that didn't help FTWD from becoming junk TV... 

 

[In The Zone]

Just realized that the woman whose son got killed by the walker 2 episodes ago is Brett Butler. 

Grace Under Fire

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Who cares about the show?  Who's the woman in the black top on Talking Dead?

 

[brun]

Some lame parts, but overall I think it was one of the better recent episodes. 

 

[brun]

Who cares about the show?  Who's the woman in the black top on Talking Dead?

Just saw the 1st couple minutes of TD. You mean the girl on the couch?  She's the leader of Oceanside. Cleans up real nice.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Just realized that the woman whose son got killed by the walker 2 episodes ago is Brett Butler. 

Grace Under Fire

The Savior that got stabbed by Carol was Billy Walsh from Entourage.  I was hoping he was going to call Rick a stupid suit for old time’s sake.  

 

[snogger]

Some lame parts, but overall I think it was one of the better recent episodes. 

Yea, could have done without the montage of "Family day" ?

But overall, thought it was an interesting episode... Thought for sure when Daryl pulled out the arrow and said "I know who did this", it was going to turn out to be Dwight.
Oceanside getting revenge and having Maggie and Daryl turn their back and walking away was a nice touch. "Were off to see the wizard Negan"

Spoiler

Only two episodes left of Rick grimes was shocking... thought for sure they'd drag that out to the end of Season 9, or at least the Mid-season Finale. Does he die, and if so at who's hands? Do he and Michonne just decide it is time to leave and head off? Does he find out about Trash lady giving up Preacher man and decides to search for him?  .. Lots of different ways they could go here.

 

[snogger]

Forgot to add.. The "A or B" was very reminiscence of Season 4/5, AKA Terminus and the Box cars..
just a coincidence or ...

 

[stbugs]

Forgot to add.. The "A or B" was very reminiscence of Season 4/5, AKA Terminus and the Box cars..
just a coincidence or ...

Might not be. Remember that the Terminus folks rebelled against someone before they turned evil. They may have taken the tactics from someone else and these are those people.

 

[stbugs]

Some lame parts, but overall I think it was one of the better recent episodes. 

Agreed. Better episode than most of the recent ones. Loved Daryl and Maggie turning their backs.

 

[BigJim®]

I'm sure it has been covered, but has there been any reasoning behind the "Rick's final episodes" broadcasting? Seems pretty dumb since one of the main appeals to this ilk of show is uncertainty, and shock over demise to key characters. I'm just not feeling the tension I might otherwise feel with the Rick stance vs others stance knowing he's a goner anyway.

 

[tommyboy]

Some lame parts, but overall I think it was one of the better recent episodes. 

its basically Days of Our Lives, with zombies

 

[bryhamm]

click here for my theory

Spoiler

cut her hand peeling Potatoes? Sure

:applause:

 

[stbugs]

I'm sure it has been covered, but has there been any reasoning behind the "Rick's final episodes" broadcasting? Seems pretty dumb since one of the main appeals to this ilk of show is uncertainty, and shock over demise to key characters. I'm just not feeling the tension I might otherwise feel with the Rick stance vs others stance knowing he's a goner anyway.

Umm, maybe to bring back viewers that left the show that got tired of Rick and maybe want to see him die?

Also, everyone already knows that he's gone, so there really isn't any uncertainty and I'm sure it was already known which episode was his last one.

 

[BigJim®]

Umm, maybe to bring back viewers that left the show that got tired of Rick and maybe want to see him die?

Also, everyone already knows that he's gone, so there really isn't any uncertainty and I'm sure it was already known which episode was his last one.

Based on the tone of your reply, I can only assume I'm out of touch with the masses thinking this is pretty dumb removing shock of demising the key character. Your second line is my point, of course there is no uncertainty. I would hope everyone knows.

 

[stbugs]

Based on the tone of your reply, I can only assume I'm out of touch with the masses thinking this is pretty dumb removing shock of demising the key character. Your second line is my point, of course there is no uncertainty. I would hope everyone knows.

No "tone" meant, just more of an it's obviously for the ratings. The chart below is from last season, but I know it's not getting better. Season 8 (last season) ratings were all the way back down to season 2's level, which was back when it was still getting a wider audience. Remember that season 1 was a short introduction. Season 4, 5 and 6 were the peak and season 8 was down almost 50% since the peak in season 5. At this point, everything they do is for ratings and they want to milk Rick's death to try and pull back all the people that "left" and there's a ton who have. You have to assume that if there were 17 million viewers in season 5's premiere, most of those 17 million (probably 14-15 million based on season 5's ratings) had already watched season 1-4 or went back and watched it. If we are at 7-8 million now, there's a #### ton of people that they'd love to get back. Even though 3 million less people watched season 7 than season 5, season 7's premiere was the 2nd highest rated episode ever, so there's definitely a pent up audience of people who might watch an episode because Rick's going to die.

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2017/12/walking-dead-ratings.jpg

 

[shadyridr]

No "tone" meant, just more of an it's obviously for the ratings. The chart below is from last season, but I know it's not getting better. Season 8 (last season) ratings were all the way back down to season 2's level, which was back when it was still getting a wider audience. Remember that season 1 was a short introduction. Season 4, 5 and 6 were the peak and season 8 was down almost 50% since the peak in season 5. At this point, everything they do is for ratings and they want to milk Rick's death to try and pull back all the people that "left" and there's a ton who have. You have to assume that if there were 17 million viewers in season 5's premiere, most of those 17 million (probably 14-15 million based on season 5's ratings) had already watched season 1-4 or went back and watched it. If we are at 7-8 million now, there's a #### ton of people that they'd love to get back. Even though 3 million less people watched season 7 than season 5, season 7's premiere was the 2nd highest rated episode ever, so there's definitely a pent up audience of people who might watch an episode because Rick's going to die.

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2017/12/walking-dead-ratings.jpg

I gotta admit I stopped watching this show mid season last year and had no clue it was announced this would be Rick's last season. Count me in as someone mildly curious to see how he goes out.

 

[BigJim®]

No "tone" meant, just more of an it's obviously for the ratings. The chart below is from last season, but I know it's not getting better. Season 8 (last season) ratings were all the way back down to season 2's level, which was back when it was still getting a wider audience. Remember that season 1 was a short introduction. Season 4, 5 and 6 were the peak and season 8 was down almost 50% since the peak in season 5. At this point, everything they do is for ratings and they want to milk Rick's death to try and pull back all the people that "left" and there's a ton who have. You have to assume that if there were 17 million viewers in season 5's premiere, most of those 17 million (probably 14-15 million based on season 5's ratings) had already watched season 1-4 or went back and watched it. If we are at 7-8 million now, there's a #### ton of people that they'd love to get back. Even though 3 million less people watched season 7 than season 5, season 7's premiere was the 2nd highest rated episode ever, so there's definitely a pent up audience of people who might watch an episode because Rick's going to die.

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2017/12/walking-dead-ratings.jpg

Ok, it really doesn't work for me. I find it hard to feel any tension at all on approach re: Saviors (which seems to be the focus of the season) when the proponent for one stance is doomed out of the gate. Suspect the death will somehow be a catalyst to further his stance, but it's no different than "JR Get Shot in 3 episodes!"-ish. If the goal is a blip viewership spike for one episode, that seems desperate and unsustainable, and a real missed opportunity to send a shockwave. Oh well, I'm sure the show directors would lose all sorts of sleep over my opinion.

 

[tommyboy]

Based on the tone of your reply, I can only assume I'm out of touch with the masses thinking this is pretty dumb removing shock of demising the key character. Your second line is my point, of course there is no uncertainty. I would hope everyone knows.

they aren't going to kill him off, he's going to leave

 

[stbugs]

Ok, it really doesn't work for me. I find it hard to feel any tension at all on approach re: Saviors (which seems to be the focus of the season) when the proponent for one stance is doomed out of the gate. Suspect the death will somehow be a catalyst to further his stance, but it's no different than "JR Get Shot in 3 episodes!"-ish. If the goal is a blip viewership spike for one episode, that seems desperate and unsustainable, and a real missed opportunity to send a shockwave. Oh well, I'm sure the show directors would lose all sorts of sleep over my opinion.

Yeah, no way to send a shockwave nowadays. Everyone already knew this was his last season and if he’s not there to shoot the second half of the season then we’d already know around when it’ll happen.

See shady’s post above. That is 100% what they are going for because it is all about ratings and trying to stem the drop. If they can interest enough of the people that fell off the show and have a great episode (who knows if they can do that), maybe they can hook some of those folks back into the show. I liked last night’s show, maybe they can keep that dark and mysterious (cabbage patch kids lady and helicopter) angle going.

 

[stbugs]

they aren't going to kill him off, he's going to leave

I disagree. I can’t see any way he just leaves. He’s not Morgan, he’s got Michonne and a kid. Death is the only way out and I hope it’s awesome. We haven’t had a good death in a while. We need an epic Merle or Glenn type death, not a Coral.

 

[Hawkeye21]

The episode got off to a pretty terrible start.  Very slow and boring.  I found myself fast forwarding through the mushy crap and family part.  The second half of the episode was pretty good and I enjoyed it.  I didn't know for sure what was going to happen and saw some cool moments.  It gave me that feeling of wanting more that I haven't had in a while.

 

[snogger]

they aren't going to kill him off, he's going to leave

I disagree. I can’t see any way he just leaves. He’s not Morgan, he’s got Michonne and a kid. Death is the only way out and I hope it’s awesome. We haven’t had a good death in a while. We need an epic Merle or Glenn type death, not a Coral.

My Gut feeling is that he will be "written off", aka Dwight, but not "killed off", aka Glenn...
Maybe he sees Trash Lady and Preacher man take off in the Helicopter and, tired of the infighting, talks Michonne into leaving to find the other civilization..

Then again, who knows, maybe Daryl and Maggie kill off Rick so that they can kill Negan.. They've lost the "Everyone has a purpose" feeling Rick has been trying to sell ... 

 

[Hawkeye21]

My Gut feeling is that he will be "written off", aka Dwight, but not "killed off", aka Glenn...

Who knows, maybe Daryl and Maggie kill off Rick so that they can kill Negan.. They've lost the "Everyone has a purpose" feeling Rick has been trying to sell ... 

Wouldn't surprise me if they try to kill Negan but somehow he gets free and then ends up killing Rick.  Either Maggie, Daryl or Michonne kill Negan and the event brings the entire community closer together until the next ordeal.

 

[snogger]

My Gut feeling is that he will be "written off", aka Dwight, but not "killed off", aka Glenn...

Who knows, maybe Daryl and Maggie kill off Rick so that they can kill Negan.. They've lost the "Everyone has a purpose" feeling Rick has been trying to sell ... 

Wouldn't surprise me if they try to kill Negan but somehow he gets free and then ends up killing Rick.  Either Maggie, Daryl or Michonne kill Negan and the event brings the entire community closer together until the next ordeal.

That could be one heck of a show.. Maggie and Daryl release Negan to kill him.. Rick tries to stop them and gets killed by Negan.

Michonne, Daryl and Maggie recapture Negan... Then, in front of all Communities, Negan gets the "BraveHeart" treatment.

 

[tommyboy]

I disagree. I can’t see any way he just leaves. He’s not Morgan, he’s got Michonne and a kid. Death is the only way out and I hope it’s awesome. We haven’t had a good death in a while. We need an epic Merle or Glenn type death, not a Coral.

It was in an article I read about him leaving, from the producers.  They said he was going to leave but he may return. They aren't going to kill him. 

 

[snogger]

I disagree. I can’t see any way he just leaves. He’s not Morgan, he’s got Michonne and a kid. Death is the only way out and I hope it’s awesome. We haven’t had a good death in a while. We need an epic Merle or Glenn type death, not a Coral.

Spoiler

It was in an article I read about him leaving, from the producers.  They said he was going to leave but he may return. They aren't going to kill him.

*fixed as I wish I hadn't read that

 

[tommyboy]

Wouldn't surprise me if they try to kill Negan but somehow he gets free and then ends up killing Rick.  Either Maggie, Daryl or Michonne kill Negan and the event brings the entire community closer together until the next ordeal.

I expect Rick to kill negan and then exile himself. This isn't the way it goes in the comics. 

 

[(HULK)]

I won't be surprised when Rick finds his "Dad" who tells him he's actually not his father but raised his as his son.  So his real name is Rick Johnson.  Goodbye Rick Grimes and hello Rick Johnson.

 

[snogger]

. This isn't the way it goes in the comics.  

Yea, well they have already jumped off the tracks regarding the comics as Carl is

 

[knowledge dropper]

They could have Daryl and Maggie’s way winning out and Rick gets exiled like what Rick did to Carol.  

Regardless, I expect a lot of montages and slow motion close ups of all the remaining key characters in two weeks.  

 

[mozzy84]

they aren't going to kill him off, he's going to leave

That's what I was assuming, then they can drag him back a couple seasons from now.  Rick is annoying at this point so I'm OK with him ditching the crew.

 

[mozzy84]

Yea, could have done without the montage of "Family day" ?

But overall, thought it was an interesting episode... Thought for sure when Daryl pulled out the arrow and said "I know who did this", it was going to turn out to be Dwight.
Oceanside getting revenge and having Maggie and Daryl turn their back and walking away was a nice touch. "Were off to see the wizard Negan"

Spoiler

Only two episodes left of Rick grimes was shocking... thought for sure they'd drag that out to the end of Season 9, or at least the Mid-season Finale. Does he die, and if so at who's hands? Do he and Michonne just decide it is time to leave and head off? Does he find out about Trash lady giving up Preacher man and decides to search for him?  .. Lots of different ways they could go here.

thank you, I rewound that like three times and couldn't understamd what the hell he was saying. Makes sense now.

Daryl was ready to turn and leave the second the chick said she killed her husband, funny they had to sell Maggie on it.  Hoping when rick is gone we get more badass Daryl.

 

[bryhamm]

Can someone refresh my memory about the A vs B thing for the trash lady.

 

[Hawkeye21]

Can someone refresh my memory about the A vs B thing for the trash lady.

Was it ever referenced before?

 

[bryhamm]

Was it ever referenced before?

Not sure.  I just assumed it was something I forgot about from the past.  Maybe not.

 

[skol asylum]

they aren't going to kill him off, he's going to leave

No way. He dead.

 

[skol asylum]

Can someone refresh my memory about the A vs B thing for the trash lady.

Was confused there too. I think A v B means man or woman. Helicopter guy is doing experiments or something with people she is turning over. It might mean alive or undead as well.

 

[bryhamm]

Was confused there too. I think A v B means man or woman. Helicopter guy is doing experiments or something with people she is turning over. It might mean alive or undead as well.

I don't think it means man or woman.  Didn't she say something to Gabriel like "huh, didn't think you were an A" while knocking him out?

 

[tommyboy]

 a team =  ricks guys

b team =  negans guys

just a guess

 

[Rustoleum]

 a team =  ricks guys

b team =  negans guys

just a guess

A = alpha/leader

B = beta/follower/red shirt

 

[snogger]

Can someone refresh my memory about the A vs B thing for the trash lady.

Never was part of trash lady before... Terminus had it.. as mentioned above maybe Terminus leaders came from whatever community the helicopter came from.

 

[snogger]

A = alpha/leader

B = beta/follower/red shirt

Ding.. ding.. ding.. the comment to preacher man about thinking he was a B, but was really an A spoke volumes..

The question that brings is.. Are A's people they kill/incarcerate so they can't rise up against them and B's they use as slaves to build their community.

 

[stbugs]

Never was part of trash lady before... Terminus had it.. as mentioned above maybe Terminus leaders came from whatever community the helicopter came from.

Actually, I think it may have been referenced but not a lot. She saw the helicopter before and I seem to remember that radio before as well. Might have been shown but without anything actually happening. That said, it’s an actual interesting twist.

Also, they really foreshadowed who killed the Saviors when that lady was knocked out. Daryl picked up her spear gun and when he did I knew she did it and was fake knocked out. The show’s been so bad the past couple years that I had forgotten about the Saviors killing all the Oceanside men.