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[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

We’ve all read about the Media Matters lawsuit.

In case any LawyerGuys missed it, Media Matters has been accused of "excessive scrolling".

You’re being disengenuous

 

[GroveDiesel]

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

Customer: one that purchases a commodity or service

If advertisers aren’t his customers, who are his customers?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

Customer: one that purchases a commodity or service

If advertisers aren’t his customers, who are his customers?

I think we both know it’s a little more nuanced than that. Yes, he’s selling add space to anyone who will give him money.

That doesn’t mean he hast to align his company’s values to theirs or else.

If you own a company and your customers come in and tell you that you need to start selling confederate flags, you can tell them to **** off.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Advertisers are not his customers.

They're business partners, but it amounts to a distinction without much difference - the way your business makes money.

And sure, he has a right not to listen to his business partners but they then have the right to end that business partnership (assuming no contractual obligations).

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Advertisers are not his customers.

They're business partners, but it amounts to a distinction without much difference - they way your business makes money.

And sure, he has a right not to listen to his business partners but they then have the right to end that business partnership (assuming no contractual obligations).

Agree. Thank you. That’s a much better way to put it.

 

[3C's]

I would be very surprised if that's not drugs.

Yeah, he seemed very off (more than usual) - something didn't seem right about how he was responding.

Tell it to Earth

Adding that to my daily lexicon.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

Customer: one that purchases a commodity or service

If advertisers aren’t his customers, who are his customers?

I think we both know it’s a little more nuanced than that. Yes, he’s selling add space to anyone who will give him money.

That doesn’t mean he hast to align his company’s values to theirs or else.

If you own a company and your customers come in and tell you that you need to start selling confederate flags, you can tell them to **** off.

Sure. And any owner that does so should understand that they’re going to lose those customers. And I imagine that most owners would be proud to lose their business knowing they were doing the right thing.

In this circumstance, it seems that the customers don’t like some of the things they’re finding in the store and are deciding to give their business to someone else. And the store owner’s response is to publicly rip his former customers for making that choice instead of getting rid of those things in his store. That’s certainly his choice, but what that is not is it’s not his customers forcing him to sell anything specific. It’s the customers making their own free choice to give their business somewhere else.

 

[massraider]

You’re being disengenuous

Apologies. Allow me to clarify:

My quote was from your link. It appears as though you posted the news of his lawsuit as if it was proof of anything whatsoever. Within YOUR link, Elon accuses MM of 'excessive scrolling'.

I do not know how they were aware of excessive scrolling, and I look forward to Twitter and Elon offering their proof of the excessive scrolling. I hope there is a video coverage of this lawsuit, I assume there be some sort of................forensic index finger callus measurement.

Can you connect these two dots for me:

Why is the same Elon Musk who yesterday didn't care about Disney and advertisers (and apparently watched Top Gun on a loop before he stopped by), ALSO suing little Media Matters, a little whiny nothing website?

 

[Capella]

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

Oh come on.

 

[Sammy3469]

I would be very surprised if that's not drugs.

We know he microdoses ketamine and while that may be good for coming up with ideas, who really knows what they side effects are on a case by case basis.

 

[McBokonon]

It wasn’t ketamine or a psychotic break, guys. It was an orchestrated piece of theater meant to gain attention and receive plaudits from the anti-woke Joe Rogan red hat crowd from which he seeks adoration.

 

[Runkle]

It wasn’t ketamine or a psychotic break, guys. It was an orchestrated piece of theater meant to gain attention and receive plaudits from the anti-woke Joe Rogan red hat crowd from which he seeks adoration.

... And lay the foundation to pass the blame of its failure to people other than him

 

[massraider]

https://x.com/ChrisStoecker/status/1730151941299138893?s=20

Link to the entire discussion, not just the part where he told advertisers to do something unnatural.

It wasn’t ketamine or a psychotic break, guys. It was an orchestrated piece of theater meant to gain attention and receive plaudits from the anti-woke Joe Rogan red hat crowd from which he seeks adoration.

I have a former friend who takes it every day for years. He behaves a lot like this. Including the vague, smug, 'you don't know what I am capable of' routine.
Musk's already an admitted user.

I have no idea honestly, I really dislike internet diagnosis. he might be just turning into Super Internet Troll, but there's no need to do an impression of Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys.

If it was anyone in our personal life was speaking like this, we would say it was drugs, no?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

You’re being disengenuous

Apologies. Allow me to clarify:

My quote was from your link. It appears as though you posted the news of his lawsuit as if it was proof of anything whatsoever. Within YOUR link, Elon accuses MM of 'excessive scrolling'.

I do not know how they were aware of excessive scrolling, and I look forward to Twitter and Elon offering their proof of the excessive scrolling. I hope there is a video coverage of this lawsuit, I assume there be some sort of................forensic index finger callus measurement.

Can you connect these two dots for me:

Why is the same Elon Musk who yesterday didn't care about Disney and advertisers (and apparently watched Top Gun on a loop before he stopped by), ALSO suing little Media Matters, a little whiny nothing website?

I can barely make any sense out of what you wrote. Top gun on a loop, clearly having no interest in diving into what they actually did but then playing coy about “scrolling”. I’m not gonna do the work for you. You can read.

We’re never going to agree on this or pretty much anything else related to these topics.

I like you very much, so in the interest of keeping things civil I’m just going to say that we disagree and move on.

 

[shuke]

I would be very surprised if that's not drugs.

Yeah, he seemed very off (more than usual) - something didn't seem right about how he was responding.

Tell it to Earth

Serious question, is this the first time you guys have ever seen him talk? NOTHING out of the ordinary there.

Did you not understand what he was saying or something?

He has F U money. Just like Dana White. Advertisers try and control what people say and these dudes don’t play that game.

I will admit to not having much exposure to him talking because I really don't care much about him one way or the other.

 

[shuke]

I would be very surprised if that's not drugs.

Yeah, he seemed very off (more than usual) - something didn't seem right about how he was responding.

Tell it to Earth

“We will take it to earth, and earth will judge.”

/extremely professional moderator: yes and do you think that will go your way? Lmao

Do you realize that you guys all hate the people you’re told to dislike? You’re Ok with that? Nothing seems off by that? It’s just a coincidence that all the same people you dislike are disliked by the people you follow?

If this is directed to me you are way off.

 

[Softballguy]

I would be very surprised if that's not drugs.

Yeah, he seemed very off (more than usual) - something didn't seem right about how he was responding.

Tell it to Earth

Serious question, is this the first time you guys have ever seen him talk? NOTHING out of the ordinary there.

Did you not understand what he was saying or something?

He has F U money. Just like Dana White. Advertisers try and control what people say and these dudes don’t play that game.

I will admit to not having much exposure to him talking because I really don't care much about him one way or the other.

I feel like this is the case for many here. All the drugs talk, that he's losing his mind, comparing him to Howard Hughes... that all sounds rational if you've only followed a few of his public statements, especially this last outburst. But there are many examples of Musk giving long-form interviews where he's very clearly smart as hell, rational, and has focus and drive none of us could ever dream of. He continues to do amazing work in a variety of fields, X (maybe) not withstanding.

I think this last outburst wasn't drugs or him losing his mind. He was clearly agitated and his neurodiversity showed. The way he moves his head, the peculiar way he said FU... it was very consistent with how others with similar mental traits behave.

 

[shuke]

And by the way, I'm not trying to make some political statement or even opine on his message to the advertisers. I was simply commenting that "ask the Earth" is hilarious and crazy.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I would be very surprised if that's not drugs.

Yeah, he seemed very off (more than usual) - something didn't seem right about how he was responding.

Tell it to Earth

“We will take it to earth, and earth will judge.”

/extremely professional moderator: yes and do you think that will go your way? Lmao

Do you realize that you guys all hate the people you’re told to dislike? You’re Ok with that? Nothing seems off by that? It’s just a coincidence that all the same people you dislike are disliked by the people you follow?

If this is directed to me you are way off.

Wasn’t directed anyone specifically. If the shoe fits…. Or doesn’t, I don’t know.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

And by the way, I'm not trying to make some political statement or even opine on his message to the advertisers. I was simply commenting that "ask the Earth" is hilarious and crazy.

Hilarious yes, but he talks like that. He send ships to outer space for chrissake. He’s not dealing with the same stuff we are..

 

[Desert_Power]

It wasn’t ketamine or a psychotic break, guys. It was an orchestrated piece of theater meant to gain attention and receive plaudits from the anti-woke Joe Rogan red hat crowd from which he seeks adoration.

It's sad that such a brilliant and excessively rich person devotes so much of his time to being essentially an internet troll.

 

[bigbottom]

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

Customer: one that purchases a commodity or service

If advertisers aren’t his customers, who are his customers?

I think we both know it’s a little more nuanced than that. Yes, he’s selling add space to anyone who will give him money.

That doesn’t mean he hast to align his company’s values to theirs or else.

If you own a company and your customers come in and tell you that you need to start selling confederate flags, you can tell them to **** off.

So you agree they are his customers.

 

[bigbottom]

Advertisers are not his customers.

They're business partners, but it amounts to a distinction without much difference - the way your business makes money.

And sure, he has a right not to listen to his business partners but they then have the right to end that business partnership (assuming no contractual obligations).

Advertisers are his customers. Just like advertisers are the customers of radio stations and newspapers. They aren’t his only customers, but they are absolutely his customers.

 

[bigbottom]

And by the way, I'm not trying to make some political statement or even opine on his message to the advertisers. I was simply commenting that "ask the Earth" is hilarious and crazy.

Hilarious yes, but he talks like that. He send ships to outer space for chrissake. He’s not dealing with the same stuff we are..

And cars!

 

[bigbottom]

It wasn’t ketamine or a psychotic break, guys. It was an orchestrated piece of theater meant to gain attention and receive plaudits from the anti-woke Joe Rogan red hat crowd from which he seeks adoration.

It's sad that such a brilliant and excessively rich person devotes so much of his time to being essentially an internet troll.

Yeah, that’s my main concern with this whole Twitter diversion (that’s what I think it is but I’m sure others disagree). This guy is a visionary and massively smart. I’d prefer that he focus on other (imo) more productive pursuits.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

And by the way, I'm not trying to make some political statement or even opine on his message to the advertisers. I was simply commenting that "ask the Earth" is hilarious and crazy.

I agree with the substance of what Musk was saying, but it was a weird interview and he came off looking very strange. Nothing wrong with someone feeling that way.

 

[belljr]

It reminds me of this famous quote:

We just lost Stereo City.

This is not Muffler Man.

This is Stereo f***ing City.

Dee Dee, you know

there's gonna be other sponsors.

 

[tymarsas]

I think this last outburst wasn't drugs or him losing his mind. He was clearly agitated and his neurodiversity showed. The way he moves his head, the peculiar way he said FU... it was very consistent with how others with similar mental traits behave.

This is how I viewed it as well. Musk doesn't have much of a filter at the best of times. Combine that with the fact that he is clearly angry and has the ultimate FU money, and this is what you get. It looks terrible in a public setting, but I'm sure a bunch a people wish they could do that to a few customers.

 

[FatMax]

Yeah, that’s my main concern with this whole Twitter diversion (that’s what I think it is but I’m sure others disagree). This guy is a visionary and massively smart. I’d prefer that he focus on other (imo) more productive pursuits.

.... says the Ivy League educated lawyer arguing on a fantasy football website.

(kidding, kidding - it was just to easy to pass up)

 

[tymarsas]

The CNBC stooge is speechless.

I actually thought the interviewer did a great job of trying to pull Musk back from the edge there. He failed, but he was actually trying to get Musk engage in a meaningful discussion that might make Musk look more reasonable and sympathetic.

 

[the moops]

I‘ve been a Musk fan for years. I still don’t have a clue as to his political views

I think he has been pretty damn transparent on what a majority of his views are

 

[belljr]

I'm pretty indifferent but he definitely lost some my respect when he called the cave rescuer a bunch of names when they didn't like his idea

 

[Long Ball Larry]

It reminds me of this famous quote:

We just lost Stereo City.

This is not Muffler Man.

This is Stereo f***ing City.

Dee Dee, you know

there's gonna be other sponsors.

W EEENNNN B C

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I‘ve been a Musk fan for years. I still don’t have a clue as to his political views

I think he has been pretty damn transparent on what a majority of his views are

I guess I mean in a traditional right/left sense I have no idea where he stands. I've never heard about him supporting a political candidate or party. I get that he's endeared himself to the Joe Rogan crowd but for me that has little to do with traditional politics and is more just a social media phenomena. He a foreign billionaire who hates the former president and the current one. He's an environmentalist, pot-smoker who married a feminist druggie pop star and they named their kid something like "%7&XX*23." He rants nonsensically about "free speech." He's used StarLink to both support Ukrainian resistance but also refused to allow its use for what he deemed an offensive counter-attack. He's not going to be blackmailed by his customers dammit!

I've not heard him speak on more traditional political issues of the day like health care, immigration, social programs, etc.

 

[Sleestak]

There is definitely an ick-factor with this guy. Is it wrong that I feel pity for him?

 

[bushdocda]

I had to relisten a couple times bc it sounded like he was saying ‘Earth’. Yep he was. I can believe the guy is gifted in many ways but he is way into the wrong lanes and is like the dude from Grandmas Boy and the billionaire guy from Silicon Valley but worse and real.

 

[the moops]

I've never heard about him supporting a political candidate or party.

He pretty much came out in support of that Ramaswamy guy

 

[Chaz McNulty]

There is definitely an ick-factor with this guy. Is it wrong that I feel pity for him?

I think it's natural to feel this way about someone that may suffer mental health issues. Especially when it's so public.

 

[urbanhack]

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

Of course they are. You think facebook builds features for you and me? All these social media platforms are building for advertisers….that is their real customer.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

There is definitely an ick-factor with this guy. Is it wrong that I feel pity for him?

I think it's natural to feel this way about someone that may suffer mental health issues. Especially when it's so public.

It's well-known that he's on the autism spectrum. There's no "may" about it. He's literally wired differently than most people.

 

[Nugget]

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

Of course they are. You think facebook builds features for you and me? All these social media platforms are building for advertisers….that is their real customer.

You and me are the product that Elon is selling to the advertisers.

 

[TennesseeJed]

This guy is a visionary and massively smart.

You would have to define this before I could agree.

He has made a lot of money in the tech area. But, I am not sure about being a "visionary" or really being smarter than the average Silicon Valley entrepreneur. I think his take over of Twitter has really dispelled this myth. He was out-smarted by the previous board, and has really shown what happens when he tries to run things, instead of finance things.

 

[Mitchie]

I‘ve been a Musk fan for years. I still don’t have a clue as to his political views

I think he has been pretty damn transparent on what a majority of his views are

I guess I mean in a traditional right/left sense I have no idea where he stands. I've never heard about him supporting a political candidate or party. I get that he's endeared himself to the Joe Rogan crowd but for me that has little to do with traditional politics and is more just a social media phenomena. He a foreign billionaire who hates the former president and the current one. He's an environmentalist, pot-smoker who married a feminist druggie pop star and they named their kid something like "%7&XX*23." He rants nonsensically about "free speech." He's used StarLink to both support Ukrainian resistance but also refused to allow its use for what he deemed an offensive counter-attack. He's not going to be blackmailed by his customers dammit!

I've not heard him speak on more traditional political issues of the day like health care, immigration, social programs, etc.

yeah i want to tread lightly here as not to get too into political content but he's really made his political views clear over the last year. If you go back in time you can find evidence that it's less clear but his more recent comments have really left little doubt.

 

[fatness]

Dude has also jumped back into the pizzagate conspiracy.

Hopefully FBG forums don't do the same.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

He also amplified some pizzagate post this week. Which I thought was odd given there was just some article about him amplifying another conspiracy that ended up a mistake in identity and ruining some college kid’s life.

 

[TennesseeJed]

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

This is what Musk has completely screwed up. Advertisers are absolutely the customer of Twitter.

At its core - Twitter is no different than any other internet site. As with most media - content is king. Twitter built a robust business model where you had lots of people providing content - for free! From news media personalities, to sports and entertainment celebrities, to other content producers - and even the little guys like me with just hundreds of followers, not millions - they were all providing free content - and that was driving millions of eyeballs to the site.

The previous owners had not quite figured out how to effectively monetize that - but they were on the right track with the ad revenue model.

One of the first things Musk did - is drive away a lot of his content providers, and diminished their value by eliminating the verified users, and going to a pay-to-play model. By amplifying the paid users, at the expense of key content producers - you are both risking the quality content, but also the quantity of content - and that will reduce eyeballs, and the value of the advertising space. And, this is before you even consider the actual content - much of which advertisers find objectionable - and thus don't want their ads showing up in close proximity to extreme views.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

This is what Musk has completely screwed up. Advertisers are absolutely the customer of Twitter.

At its core - Twitter is no different than any other internet site. As with most media - content is king. Twitter built a robust business model where you had lots of people providing content - for free! From news media personalities, to sports and entertainment celebrities, to other content producers - and even the little guys like me with just hundreds of followers, not millions - they were all providing free content - and that was driving millions of eyeballs to the site.

The previous owners had not quite figured out how to effectively monetize that - but they were on the right track with the ad revenue model.

One of the first things Musk did - is drive away a lot of his content providers, and diminished their value by eliminating the verified users, and going to a pay-to-play model. By amplifying the paid users, at the expense of key content producers - you are both risking the quality content, but also the quantity of content - and that will reduce eyeballs, and the value of the advertising space. And, this is before you even consider the actual content - much of which advertisers find objectionable - and thus don't want their ads showing up in close proximity to extreme views.

Once again everyone is forgetting (or ignoring) that the OmG ExtrMe Nazi stuff was manipulated and forced- it didn’t happen naturally.

 

[TennesseeJed]

Telling your customers to “GFY.” It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for them.

Advertisers are not his customers. They are paying him to use his platform.

This is what Musk has completely screwed up. Advertisers are absolutely the customer of Twitter.

At its core - Twitter is no different than any other internet site. As with most media - content is king. Twitter built a robust business model where you had lots of people providing content - for free! From news media personalities, to sports and entertainment celebrities, to other content producers - and even the little guys like me with just hundreds of followers, not millions - they were all providing free content - and that was driving millions of eyeballs to the site.

The previous owners had not quite figured out how to effectively monetize that - but they were on the right track with the ad revenue model.

One of the first things Musk did - is drive away a lot of his content providers, and diminished their value by eliminating the verified users, and going to a pay-to-play model. By amplifying the paid users, at the expense of key content producers - you are both risking the quality content, but also the quantity of content - and that will reduce eyeballs, and the value of the advertising space. And, this is before you even consider the actual content - much of which advertisers find objectionable - and thus don't want their ads showing up in close proximity to extreme views.

Once again everyone is forgetting (or ignoring) that the OmG ExtrMe Nazi stuff was manipulated and forced- it didn’t happen naturally.

Twitter was hemorrhaging users and revenue long before this latest issue.

And, really advertisers are most likely using this as an excuse to pull ad dollars from an underperforming site. (i.e. If advertisers were seeing a strong ROI, they would still be there)

Als0 - Musk himself is not helping by injecting his own personal politics into the conversation - as the face of the company now, he needs to stay as apolitical (and silent) as possible - so as not to shift that image onto the company.

 

[tymarsas]

Once again everyone is forgetting (or ignoring) that the OmG ExtrMe Nazi stuff was manipulated and forced- it didn’t happen naturally.

I don't think this actually matters. Perception is everything here. I don't think Disney is worried about losing the neo-nazi crowd (ie. The people that would normally see their ads beside nazi posts). They are worried about losing their current audience when they read these articles or see screenshots online.