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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (3 Viewers)

ffmail4me said:
ChiefD said:
GroveDiesel said:
Welp, now the Feds have opened up an investigation into Washington’s finances.
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You would think this is the final nail. They ain't opening an investigation unless they feel pretty confident about it.

On a side note: I will fight anyone that says Joe Gibbs isn't the greatest coach in history. 3 Super Bowl wins with 3 different starting quarterbacks says all I need to know. And THEN he goes to NASCAR and wins 5 Cup Series championships AND 4 Daytona 500 victories.

Eat THAT Belichick.
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And had 3 different starting running backs, and other than Monk, different WRs too. Its amazing what Gibbs did, and he's definitely the GOAT of coaching in the NFL IMO.
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Monk didn't play in the 1982 playoffs and SB XVII due to injury. For 1987, also because of an injury, he didn't play in the playoffs and was limited in SB XXII. So, playoff-wise, not even Monk was a constant for Gibbs.
 
dgreen said:
MikeApf said:
fatness said:
I first learned of the Redskins when I visited my cousins each year for 2 weeks. We'd play touch football out in a vacant lot between 2 houses and one of their friends would put one of those "portable" 15 inch by 20 inch radios in the window and we'd play touch football. Every time, and I mean every time, the names "Charley Taylor" or "Sonny Jurgensen" were broadcast we stopped playing. Just stopped, even if a ball was in the air. They revered those 2 players, and as the youngest kid there of course I did, too. I idolized my cousins. The Redskins (and now the Commanders) have been my team since then.

@dgreen has been a fan of the team longer than I have on FBG. His frustration at his kids never getting to see the greatness of the team that he saw is palpable.

There are some more of you who've stuck with this team through over 20 years of Dan Snyder Slime.

As one of the long-termers, this is the first time that I think Dan Snyder's on his way out.

There's hope, probably for us, for our kids, for our grandkids. My 19-yo grandson is a diehard fan. In the future I'd like him to see and enjoy the same things I did from this team.
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Yes! Like some of you, I am a also long term fan. So long term, when I was quite small, I remember George Allen's Redskins and going to games at RFK. I remember the Jack Pardee years before Gibbs took over (three runs and a cloud of dust). For people I grew up watching football with, the possibility of ditching Snyder would be a dream come true. But i also have always felt really lucky. We did get a chance to see the Redskins win championships. Some of us had a chance to sit in RFK when the whole stadium was rocking and when we were considered the most devoted fan base in the NFL. Not only do I want that back for us old timers, I want the younger generations around here to experience what this town can be like if the football team is rocking...
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I was 7 when the Redskins played the Dolphins in SB XVII. My dad's a Dolphins fan and my mom was Redskins, so I didn't know who to root for. But, as the game unfolded, I just naturally gravitated towards the Redskins. That's the team I found myself caring about. When Riggins scored, that sealed the deal for me.
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I had Riggins underoos as a kid
 
I can't wrap my head around how Snyder can be such a bad owner. The NFL has owners who are 2nd generation loose cannons (Davis and Irsay), a guy whose company was criminally charged by the FBI (Haslem), a guy that almost destroyed the biggest club in English soccer (Glazer), a guy that had to settle a $790 million lawsuit against the league (Kroenke) and an owner who got suspended for tampering and possibly incentivizing losing (Ross) and yet Snyder is somehow on an entirely different level of bad ownership. :shrug:
 
Saw a tweet that Bezos was interested, with Jay Z as an investor.

According to People magazine, and TMZ Sports, so you know it's rock solid. 😏
 
massraider said:
Saw a tweet that Bezos was interested, with Jay Z as an investor.
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The Washington Prime

https://people.com/sports/jeff-bezos-interested-buying-washington-commanders-source

Jeff Bezos is interested in purchasing the Washington Commanders, a source close to the billionaire tells PEOPLE. The source says that Bezos, 58, is "looking into buying the Washington Commanders" after current owners Dan and Tanya Snyder announced they were exploring options to sell the NFL team on Wednesday.

Bezos is considering making the purchase "possibly in partnership" with Jay-Z, according to the insider. The rapper previously owned a stake in the Brooklyn Nets.

The Amazon founder's interest in purchasing an NFL team dates back to 2019 when CBS Sports reported that Bezos had expressed interest in becoming an owner in the league. Sources told the outlet that Bezos "has strong support within the league to eventually join their ranks," but at the time, no teams were for sale.
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I can't wrap my head around how Snyder can be such a bad owner. The NFL has owners who are 2nd generation loose cannons (Davis and Irsay), a guy whose company was criminally charged by the FBI (Haslem), a guy that almost destroyed the biggest club in English soccer (Glazer), a guy that had to settle a $790 million lawsuit against the league (Kroenke) and an owner who got suspended for tampering and possibly incentivizing losing (Ross) and yet Snyder is somehow on an entirely different level of bad ownership. :shrug:
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It's not limited to the team. Six Flags.. bankrupt. Snyder Communications...court cases all over their business practices. College .... dropped out. Bus trips business...broke. He had rights to an AFL team ... never got started. Red Zebra Broadcasting .... out of business. Johnny Rockets restaurant ... ran into ground. The guy is poor at operating businesses. He's a scam artist that got lucky once by getting away with illegally switching people to contracts. he should be in jail.
 

Report: Pressure from other owners forced Daniel Snyder’s hand​

Plenty of theories have emerged in the aftermath of Wednesday’s stunning announcement by the Commanders that ownership is looking for a buyer. A new report ties the decision to one very simple dynamic. Dan Snyder’s peers are telling him it’s time to go, and he’s apparently listening.

According to Ben Fischer of Sports Business Journal, multiple owners “have confronted” Snyder privately in recent weeks regarding the question of whether he should cash out and move on. Even more, per the report, have told Commissioner Roger Goodell “that something must give.”

Wednesday’s news came from the “growing consensus” that it’s time.

It’s surprising that Snyder is willing to listen. He had seemed to be determined to refuse to sell, and to embrace the reality that a protracted legal fight would be required to get him to go away. Obviously, something has registered for him in recent days.
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Guss said:
What I am concerned about is that Wentz comes back to play and kills McLaurin again

McLaurin is doing something without him, finally!
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Wentz will probably not take another snap as our QB would be my guess. This team can't be THAT stupid to know if he gets 70% of the snaps we lose our 2nd rounder next year. I hope it will be Howell time soon!!
 
ffmail4me said:
Guss said:
What I am concerned about is that Wentz comes back to play and kills McLaurin again

McLaurin is doing something without him, finally!
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Wentz will probably not take another snap as our QB would be my guess. This team can't be THAT stupid to know if he gets 70% of the snaps we lose our 2nd rounder next year. I hope it will be Howell time soon!!
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I hope that you are right.

What makes sense:

1. Play Heinicke while we have a LEGITIMATE chance at the playoffs. Arguably, he gives us the best chance to win right now. If a miracle happens and he can win one of the next two, then you never know...

2. As soon as the handwriting is on the wall, play Howell. No, you don't want to part with the number 2 next year. Plus, we need to know if Howell can be our starter next year vs. drafting a guy.

What I fear:

1. Rivera
 
fatness said:
It’s surprising that Snyder is willing to listen. He had seemed to be determined to refuse to sell, and to embrace the reality that a protracted legal fight would be required to get him to go away. Obviously, something has registered for him in recent days.
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Yes, a lot of us expected the scorched earth policy to be put into place before any actual inclination to sell.

However, if you play that scenario out, I'm not sure it is entirely likely. Remember, this not just Dan's life we're talking about. He has a wife and a family, and as much as he seems like a jerk to us, he is apparently quite devoted to them. It's quite possible that his wife has informed him that she'll stand by him through many shennanigans, but that she is just not up for a protracted legal fight vs. 31 other rich guys who together are more powerful than them. She may basically be pulling a Gisselle behind the scenes and saying, "if you throw the hand grenade I'm outta here."

Then, there are his kids. Apparently, his plan is to keep the team and will it to his kids. Well, his kids are young people, who probably know how reviled he is on social media. I'm sure they love their Dad (and he may actually be a great Dad), but they may not want this to be their legacy, to be hated owners from the start. Maybe they'd rather just have the weath that the sale would provide the family and move on to other things.

I do think it's credible other owners have approached him and told him it's time. And I think it's equally credible that scorched earth may not be activated because he doesn't want to lose his family, along with the team, and end up with nothing. Even a jerk can be a rational actor...
 
MikeApf said:
fatness said:
It’s surprising that Snyder is willing to listen. He had seemed to be determined to refuse to sell, and to embrace the reality that a protracted legal fight would be required to get him to go away. Obviously, something has registered for him in recent days.
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Yes, a lot of us expected the scorched earth policy to be put into place before any actual inclination to sell.

However, if you play that scenario out, I'm not sure it is entirely likely. Remember, this not just Dan's life we're talking about. He has a wife and a family, and as much as he seems like a jerk to us, he is apparently quite devoted to them. It's quite possible that his wife has informed him that she'll stand by him through many shennanigans, but that she is just not up for a protracted legal fight vs. 31 other rich guys who together are more powerful than them. She may basically be pulling a Gisselle behind the scenes and saying, "if you throw the hand grenade I'm outta here."

Then, there are his kids. Apparently, his plan is to keep the team and will it to his kids. Well, his kids are young people, who probably know how reviled he is on social media. I'm sure they love their Dad (and he may actually be a great Dad), but they may not want this to be their legacy, to be hated owners from the start. Maybe they'd rather just have the weath that the sale would provide the family and move on to other things.

I do think it's credible other owners have approached him and told him it's time. And I think it's equally credible that scorched earth may not be activated because he doesn't want to lose his family, along with the team, and end up with nothing. Even a jerk can be a rational actor...
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Well, great, you've humanized Snyder and now I have to see him as an actual person with a family and not like some despised fictional character in a movie.
 
dgreen said:
MikeApf said:
fatness said:
It’s surprising that Snyder is willing to listen. He had seemed to be determined to refuse to sell, and to embrace the reality that a protracted legal fight would be required to get him to go away. Obviously, something has registered for him in recent days.
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Yes, a lot of us expected the scorched earth policy to be put into place before any actual inclination to sell.

However, if you play that scenario out, I'm not sure it is entirely likely. Remember, this not just Dan's life we're talking about. He has a wife and a family, and as much as he seems like a jerk to us, he is apparently quite devoted to them. It's quite possible that his wife has informed him that she'll stand by him through many shennanigans, but that she is just not up for a protracted legal fight vs. 31 other rich guys who together are more powerful than them. She may basically be pulling a Gisselle behind the scenes and saying, "if you throw the hand grenade I'm outta here."

Then, there are his kids. Apparently, his plan is to keep the team and will it to his kids. Well, his kids are young people, who probably know how reviled he is on social media. I'm sure they love their Dad (and he may actually be a great Dad), but they may not want this to be their legacy, to be hated owners from the start. Maybe they'd rather just have the weath that the sale would provide the family and move on to other things.

I do think it's credible other owners have approached him and told him it's time. And I think it's equally credible that scorched earth may not be activated because he doesn't want to lose his family, along with the team, and end up with nothing. Even a jerk can be a rational actor...
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Well, great, you've humanized Snyder and now I have to see him as an actual person with a family and not like some despised fictional character in a movie.
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Haha. Maybe it's just my wishful thinking/rationalization that he will actually go through with the sale!
 
MikeApf said:
fatness said:
It’s surprising that Snyder is willing to listen. He had seemed to be determined to refuse to sell, and to embrace the reality that a protracted legal fight would be required to get him to go away. Obviously, something has registered for him in recent days.
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Yes, a lot of us expected the scorched earth policy to be put into place before any actual inclination to sell.

However, if you play that scenario out, I'm not sure it is entirely likely. Remember, this not just Dan's life we're talking about. He has a wife and a family, and as much as he seems like a jerk to us, he is apparently quite devoted to them. It's quite possible that his wife has informed him that she'll stand by him through many shennanigans, but that she is just not up for a protracted legal fight vs. 31 other rich guys who together are more powerful than them. She may basically be pulling a Gisselle behind the scenes and saying, "if you throw the hand grenade I'm outta here."

Then, there are his kids. Apparently, his plan is to keep the team and will it to his kids. Well, his kids are young people, who probably know how reviled he is on social media. I'm sure they love their Dad (and he may actually be a great Dad), but they may not want this to be their legacy, to be hated owners from the start. Maybe they'd rather just have the weath that the sale would provide the family and move on to other things.

I do think it's credible other owners have approached him and told him it's time. And I think it's equally credible that scorched earth may not be activated because he doesn't want to lose his family, along with the team, and end up with nothing. Even a jerk can be a rational actor...
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FWIW, and this is second hand via my wife's ex's sister, who used to date Dan for several years, he's a complete jerk in his personal life too.
 
(HULK) said:
MikeApf said:
fatness said:
It’s surprising that Snyder is willing to listen. He had seemed to be determined to refuse to sell, and to embrace the reality that a protracted legal fight would be required to get him to go away. Obviously, something has registered for him in recent days.
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Yes, a lot of us expected the scorched earth policy to be put into place before any actual inclination to sell.

However, if you play that scenario out, I'm not sure it is entirely likely. Remember, this not just Dan's life we're talking about. He has a wife and a family, and as much as he seems like a jerk to us, he is apparently quite devoted to them. It's quite possible that his wife has informed him that she'll stand by him through many shennanigans, but that she is just not up for a protracted legal fight vs. 31 other rich guys who together are more powerful than them. She may basically be pulling a Gisselle behind the scenes and saying, "if you throw the hand grenade I'm outta here."

Then, there are his kids. Apparently, his plan is to keep the team and will it to his kids. Well, his kids are young people, who probably know how reviled he is on social media. I'm sure they love their Dad (and he may actually be a great Dad), but they may not want this to be their legacy, to be hated owners from the start. Maybe they'd rather just have the weath that the sale would provide the family and move on to other things.

I do think it's credible other owners have approached him and told him it's time. And I think it's equally credible that scorched earth may not be activated because he doesn't want to lose his family, along with the team, and end up with nothing. Even a jerk can be a rational actor...
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FWIW, and this is second hand via my wife's ex's sister, who used to date Dan for several years, he's a complete jerk in his personal life too.
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My cousin once worked in a hotel in Aspen that Snyder frequented. He didn’t find Snyder toxic but said he was kind of a douchebag. This was in the early ‘00s.
 
Pip's Invitation said:
(HULK) said:
MikeApf said:
fatness said:
It’s surprising that Snyder is willing to listen. He had seemed to be determined to refuse to sell, and to embrace the reality that a protracted legal fight would be required to get him to go away. Obviously, something has registered for him in recent days.
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Yes, a lot of us expected the scorched earth policy to be put into place before any actual inclination to sell.

However, if you play that scenario out, I'm not sure it is entirely likely. Remember, this not just Dan's life we're talking about. He has a wife and a family, and as much as he seems like a jerk to us, he is apparently quite devoted to them. It's quite possible that his wife has informed him that she'll stand by him through many shennanigans, but that she is just not up for a protracted legal fight vs. 31 other rich guys who together are more powerful than them. She may basically be pulling a Gisselle behind the scenes and saying, "if you throw the hand grenade I'm outta here."

Then, there are his kids. Apparently, his plan is to keep the team and will it to his kids. Well, his kids are young people, who probably know how reviled he is on social media. I'm sure they love their Dad (and he may actually be a great Dad), but they may not want this to be their legacy, to be hated owners from the start. Maybe they'd rather just have the weath that the sale would provide the family and move on to other things.

I do think it's credible other owners have approached him and told him it's time. And I think it's equally credible that scorched earth may not be activated because he doesn't want to lose his family, along with the team, and end up with nothing. Even a jerk can be a rational actor...
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FWIW, and this is second hand via my wife's ex's sister, who used to date Dan for several years, he's a complete jerk in his personal life too.
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My cousin once worked in a hotel in Aspen that Snyder frequented. He didn’t find Snyder toxic but said he was kind of a douchebag. This was in the early ‘00s.
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I have reason to think his ex-girlfriend might be a bit biased against him, but I also have family that used to work for the organization and they all say he's a jerk too, so :shrug:
 
(HULK) said:
Pip's Invitation said:
(HULK) said:
MikeApf said:
fatness said:
It’s surprising that Snyder is willing to listen. He had seemed to be determined to refuse to sell, and to embrace the reality that a protracted legal fight would be required to get him to go away. Obviously, something has registered for him in recent days.
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Yes, a lot of us expected the scorched earth policy to be put into place before any actual inclination to sell.

However, if you play that scenario out, I'm not sure it is entirely likely. Remember, this not just Dan's life we're talking about. He has a wife and a family, and as much as he seems like a jerk to us, he is apparently quite devoted to them. It's quite possible that his wife has informed him that she'll stand by him through many shennanigans, but that she is just not up for a protracted legal fight vs. 31 other rich guys who together are more powerful than them. She may basically be pulling a Gisselle behind the scenes and saying, "if you throw the hand grenade I'm outta here."

Then, there are his kids. Apparently, his plan is to keep the team and will it to his kids. Well, his kids are young people, who probably know how reviled he is on social media. I'm sure they love their Dad (and he may actually be a great Dad), but they may not want this to be their legacy, to be hated owners from the start. Maybe they'd rather just have the weath that the sale would provide the family and move on to other things.

I do think it's credible other owners have approached him and told him it's time. And I think it's equally credible that scorched earth may not be activated because he doesn't want to lose his family, along with the team, and end up with nothing. Even a jerk can be a rational actor...
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FWIW, and this is second hand via my wife's ex's sister, who used to date Dan for several years, he's a complete jerk in his personal life too.
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My cousin once worked in a hotel in Aspen that Snyder frequented. He didn’t find Snyder toxic but said he was kind of a douchebag. This was in the early ‘00s.
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I have reason to think his ex-girlfriend might be a bit biased against him, but I also have family that used to work for the organization and they all say he's a jerk too, so :shrug:
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The whole thing with demanding that his employees never look at him directly and that they call him “Mr. Snyder” isn’t going to give them the warm and fuzzies about him.
 
Jay Gruden and Shanahan were clearly better coaches, but far far more hampered by the front office and ownership than Ron has been. Ron has benefitted greatly from being given free reign, and doesn't have much to show for it. Everything is so average. Personnel. Coaching. Execution. If Snyder is truly selling, Ron is gonna get another year. Hopefully he hitches up his pants and is man enough to move on from Scott Turner.
 
Interesting. I don't think of Gruden as a better coach than Rivera. Gruden is a great Xs and Os guy on offense, but I thought he was pretty bad in areas of leadership and motivation. After yesterday's game, Doc Walker was talking about how we are so used to just getting completely blown out in games like this. I feel like the team was completely embarrassed more often under Gruden than Rivera. I think the players at least really like Rivera.
 
Brunell4MVP said:
Jay Gruden and Shanahan were clearly better coaches, but far far more hampered by the front office and ownership than Ron has been. Ron has benefitted greatly from being given free reign, and doesn't have much to show for it.
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I think Gruden was a terrible coach who only cared about offense, who was lazy, and who was more interested in players liking him. His teams were always undisciplined, frequently unmotivated, and usually disorganized. Rivera's better than that.
 
fatness said:
Brunell4MVP said:
Jay Gruden and Shanahan were clearly better coaches, but far far more hampered by the front office and ownership than Ron has been. Ron has benefitted greatly from being given free reign, and doesn't have much to show for it.
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I think Gruden was a terrible coach who only cared about offense, who was lazy, and who was more interested in players liking him. His teams were always undisciplined, frequently unmotivated, and usually disorganized. Rivera's better than that.
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Maybe. Pretty much the same record as Ron despite being saddled with Bruce Allen trading for QBs without even telling him and the owner drafting QBs because his kid went to school with them.
 
dgreen said:
Brunell4MVP said:
Need to change thread title ...

*** Official Washington Commanders Thread of Apathy​

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Interestingly, I was more bummed after yesterday’s loss than I have been about a game in a long time.
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yeah, i agree. that was against a quality opponent and we really had a chance. I was thinking if we split Minn/Philly and make it to 5-4, 9 wins really could happen and maybe a lucky WC slot. Things really look different with a loss.

And no, I don't care about losing out and getting a higher draft pick. Yesterday, after the loss, McLaurin was talking about how frustrated he was they couldn't win. I care about guys like McLaurin now, not the "woulda, coulda, shoulda" of next years draft...
 
Brunell4MVP said:
Jay Gruden and Shanahan were clearly better coaches, but far far more hampered by the front office and ownership than Ron has been. Ron has benefitted greatly from being given free reign, and doesn't have much to show for it. Everything is so average. Personnel. Coaching. Execution. If Snyder is truly selling, Ron is gonna get another year. Hopefully he hitches up his pants and is man enough to move on from Scott Turner.
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I hope to God he doesn't get another year. I know the narrative is somehow that if the sale goes through in March, we have no time to get a new GM, coach, etc. But honestly, i'd rather struggle with a new regime than keep a lame duck around you are 99% chance that they are leaving. What does that accomplish? Hire new guys and let them struggle through it. At least at the end of the first year, you have your new team in place.
 
Serious question: is Scott Turner qualified? Maybe he is a savant or something, but before coming here he did not have any extensive coaching experience. I looked it up and he started coaching in 2011, after having played college football as a backup and no pro experience. From there, he was a quality control coach for Rivera in Carolina for 2 years. After that, he got his first positional coaching experience in Cleveland and Minnesota under his Dad, Norv. Then he went back to Carolina as a QB coach. I think he was interim OC for like 1/2 year. That was the ONLY coaching experience he had before coming here. Not only does Ron Rivera hand him the keys to the offense, but he gave him an extension this year.

Meanwhile, I keep reading about his wonky play calling and consistently my eyes tell him this guy is not creative. His lack of aggressiveness at times is truly astounding. QB draw on 3rd and 9? That's just one example but it's emblematic of this guy just has very little creativity. But it got me thinking, other than his dad being Norv, what has he really done to warrant having control of an NFL offense. We talk about Wentz and Heinicke being limited but i also wonder if they are not helped very much by Scott. When I hear him he comes off as kind of a guy who has his offense and expect others to fit into it. But the truly great minds (like Gibbs) look at their personnell and change their scheme to fit the personnel..

I dunno...not a big Scott Turner fan today.
 
MikeApf said:
Serious question: is Scott Turner qualified? Maybe he is a savant or something, but before coming here he did not have any extensive coaching experience. I looked it up and he started coaching in 2011, after having played college football as a backup and no pro experience. From there, he was a quality control coach for Rivera in Carolina for 2 years. After that, he got his first positional coaching experience in Cleveland and Minnesota under his Dad, Norv. Then he went back to Carolina as a QB coach. I think he was interim OC for like 1/2 year. That was the ONLY coaching experience he had before coming here. Not only does Ron Rivera hand him the keys to the offense, but he gave him an extension this year.

Meanwhile, I keep reading about his wonky play calling and consistently my eyes tell him this guy is not creative. His lack of aggressiveness at times is truly astounding. QB draw on 3rd and 9? That's just one example but it's emblematic of this guy just has very little creativity. But it got me thinking, other than his dad being Norv, what has he really done to warrant having control of an NFL offense. We talk about Wentz and Heinicke being limited but i also wonder if they are not helped very much by Scott. When I hear him he comes off as kind of a guy who has his offense and expect others to fit into it. But the truly great minds (like Gibbs) look at their personnell and change their scheme to fit the personnel..

I dunno...not a big Scott Turner fan today.
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I've said a few times recently, I really think anyone employed by Dan Snyder is probably in a position one or two rungs higher than they'd otherwise be. Due to how horrible this organization is, they can't attract people who have other options. Not that we missed out too big on Spagnuolo, but didn't he choose to return as a coordinator rather than take a HC offer from Washington several years ago? And remember how Zorn was hired as the OC (prior to them even hiring a coach), but then they couldn't find a HC so they pretending like Zorn was their guy the whole time? So, yeah, my guess is Turner isn't currently qualified to be an OC.
 
dgreen said:
MikeApf said:
Serious question: is Scott Turner qualified? Maybe he is a savant or something, but before coming here he did not have any extensive coaching experience. I looked it up and he started coaching in 2011, after having played college football as a backup and no pro experience. From there, he was a quality control coach for Rivera in Carolina for 2 years. After that, he got his first positional coaching experience in Cleveland and Minnesota under his Dad, Norv. Then he went back to Carolina as a QB coach. I think he was interim OC for like 1/2 year. That was the ONLY coaching experience he had before coming here. Not only does Ron Rivera hand him the keys to the offense, but he gave him an extension this year.

Meanwhile, I keep reading about his wonky play calling and consistently my eyes tell him this guy is not creative. His lack of aggressiveness at times is truly astounding. QB draw on 3rd and 9? That's just one example but it's emblematic of this guy just has very little creativity. But it got me thinking, other than his dad being Norv, what has he really done to warrant having control of an NFL offense. We talk about Wentz and Heinicke being limited but i also wonder if they are not helped very much by Scott. When I hear him he comes off as kind of a guy who has his offense and expect others to fit into it. But the truly great minds (like Gibbs) look at their personnell and change their scheme to fit the personnel..

I dunno...not a big Scott Turner fan today.
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I've said a few times recently, I really think anyone employed by Dan Snyder is probably in a position one or two rungs higher than they'd otherwise be. Due to how horrible this organization is, they can't attract people who have other options. Not that we missed out too big on Spagnuolo, but didn't he choose to return as a coordinator rather than take a HC offer from Washington several years ago? And remember how Zorn was hired as the OC (prior to them even hiring a coach), but then they couldn't find a HC so they pretending like Zorn was their guy the whole time? So, yeah, my guess is Turner isn't currently qualified to be an OC.
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That's a fair point. Hopefully the ownership change will give us a much needed reset.
 
MikeApf said:
Serious question: is Scott Turner qualified? Maybe he is a savant or something, but before coming here he did not have any extensive coaching experience. I looked it up and he started coaching in 2011, after having played college football as a backup and no pro experience. From there, he was a quality control coach for Rivera in Carolina for 2 years. After that, he got his first positional coaching experience in Cleveland and Minnesota under his Dad, Norv. Then he went back to Carolina as a QB coach. I think he was interim OC for like 1/2 year. That was the ONLY coaching experience he had before coming here. Not only does Ron Rivera hand him the keys to the offense, but he gave him an extension this year.

Meanwhile, I keep reading about his wonky play calling and consistently my eyes tell him this guy is not creative. His lack of aggressiveness at times is truly astounding. QB draw on 3rd and 9? That's just one example but it's emblematic of this guy just has very little creativity. But it got me thinking, other than his dad being Norv, what has he really done to warrant having control of an NFL offense. We talk about Wentz and Heinicke being limited but i also wonder if they are not helped very much by Scott. When I hear him he comes off as kind of a guy who has his offense and expect others to fit into it. But the truly great minds (like Gibbs) look at their personnell and change their scheme to fit the personnel..

I dunno...not a big Scott Turner fan today.
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We asked a long time NFL coach with legit offensive credentials if Scott Turner had a good reputation. His answer: His dad did.


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Yep, I'm good with Turner gone after Snyder, and while I think Ron is solid, they could do better. Especially in a post Dan Snyder world. I mean, this market, the money, there is a lot to like about Washington if you remove the cancerous turd that's been holding us back for decades...
 
The problem with Turner being gone is he's tied to Ron. Ron gave him his first NFL job. Ron just signed him to a 3 year contract this year, mostly matching up with Ron's contract length. I think Turner is the #1 issue with this team. By far. Moreso than QB. Moreso than OL. He has limited experience and Alex Smith and Ryan Fitzpatrick have both in a way with words called the playbook poor on national TV. Ron is so loyal though, I think the two are inseparable.

I think a new owner might yank the GM job from Ron and ask him to find a new OC. But leave him as coach for a year. I'm not even sure I'd fire him and I'm totally unimpressed. Sometimes stability is a necessity, even if the result is more of average.
 
Denver BroncosRob Walton
$4,650,000,000​
2022
Carolina PanthersDavid Tepper
$2,275,000,000​
2018
Buffalo BillsKim & Terry Pegula
$1,400,000,000​
2014
Cleveland BrownsJimmy & Dee Haslam
$1,050,000,000​
2012
Jacksonville JaguarsShahid Khan
$760,000,000​
2012
Las Vegas RaidersCarol & Mark Davis (mother & son)[c][a]
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2011


Here are the last 6 owner changes (since 2010). One was inherited. Only the Bills have a decent team. The others are as bad or even worse than WAS. And Tepper and Khan have wads of money. >$10B. Just sayin ... don't expect fast changes on the field just from an ownership change.
 
dgreen said:
fatness said:
All right all right all right.
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I saw a headline that Kevin Durant has expressed interest in joining a group. And RG3 tweeted that he's raised some money. All the stars are coming out!
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Shrewed move by Bezos allowing some celebs in, particularly guys who are pals with Snyder. Something to counter the hate he has for the post. Apparently Peter King said he would NEVER ALL CAPS sell to Bezos; Peter may be full of it but you never know so might as well get in front of it. Also, having some diversity front and center will also make it very difficult for Snyder to pass on the Bezos offer as long as it's the highest bid.
 
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