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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2015 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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Dismattle
Footballguy
Scrappy is good.. It just sounds positive. However, I hope were not talking stupid scrappy w/ lame (_)_) penalty's..
I mean Im fine w/ seeing a player ejected for being human, and getting too much into the moment.. But the Coach better not be tolerating back to back unsportsmanlike plays. (The QB and the MLB hopefully have control of the situation too) ie. Know when to send a player to the sideline etc.
MattFancy
Footballguy
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Swing 51
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
on the plus side i hear niles paul is having a good camp. 
Sebowski
Footballguy
I was soon close to using my last dynasty rookie/FA pick on him....on the plus side i hear niles paul is having a good camp.
jurb26
Footballguy
So, listening to DJ move the sticks he thinks this team has a lot of talent. The season will come entirely down to QB play. That sounds somewhat like a cop-out as you could pretty much say that about any team. Still, I was surprised at how much talent DJ thinks this team has.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I wouldn't say a lot of talent, but certainly more than last season.
The defense definitely has more than last season. Will the defense be much better? Not sure, but as bad as it was last season, just being an average defense will be a huge plus.
And of course, on offense, everything comes down to RG3. And again, all he really needs to do is be average. I know that's disappointing to ask out of a former RoY and #2 pick, but he doesn't have to be his 2012 Superman self for this team to be successful IMO. We have a solid run game and better WRs than he had in 2012. Just don't turn the ball over and make dumb plays and this offense could be a top 10 offense with the players they have.
I would also say that the offensive line is significantly improved. I don't put a lot of blame on RG3 for their performance last year. None of the QBs were given much of a chance with the turnstiles they had blocking.
That said, it should be significantly easier for RG3 to perform as an "average" QB as long as he has learned/progressed as much as has been reported so far.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Agreed. The OL on paper looks better. If Moses and Scherff can play well, then the OL should be much improved.
I think being able to give RG3 time back there will do wonders. If he feels comfortable and confident in the pocket, he'll be fine. But if the OL can't give him any time back there, it could be ugly.
dgreen
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
First of all, I think its more that the coaches see a bigger gap between Scherff/Long than between Scherff/Moses. What I mean is that Moses/Scherff >>>> Scherff/Long. So they're doing what they have to to get the best combo out there.
Secondly, Moses was a good RT prospect with really promising tape in the second half of last season, so its not a bad thing that he's grown into the role...its a great thing. Because we know Scherff is going to be a beastly guard. Moses developing enough to force himself into the top-5 OL on this team was always best case scenario.
You're looking at it all backwards imo, but that's not your fault. You're a traumatized Skins fan.
jurb26
Footballguy
This is completely irrelevant at this point. Putting together the best Oline is what matters.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Leave the value rhetoric to Kiper and draftniks waxing poetic about the draft as if it exists in a vacuum.Those "values" are holdovers from a time when you'd be paying a top-5 OG the same as a top-5 QB. With the rookie wage scale, its all about BPA now and Scherff was that for us. He was nasty, big, strong, and versatile.
Just be happy a team that's ignored the OL for years spent a premium pick on an absolute mauler that can play anywhere along the line.
Whining about "value" months after the draft when our OL is finally taking steps forward is crazy.
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Todd Andrews
Footballguy
dgreen
Footballguy
@chucksapienza: Chris Cooley is NOT returning to the #Redskins or #NFL. That story was floated for leverage in his negotiations with the radio station.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Obviously not. Lots of stuff out there from beat reporters just waiting to write controversial negative articles about how good he's looked and how much his game has matured. His technique is much better.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You're just regurgitating stuff you've read, and you're stuck on old perceptions. Moses actually had good tape the second half of his final year in college. His first 5-6 games were rough but he did well the last half of the season and during the pre-draft process.
Either way, none of it has any bearing on what's going on now, and right now per all reports and observations he's earned a starting spot, not by default but because he is actually looking good.
When is the last time we drafted and developed a non-premium draft pick OL?
You sound like someone who hasn't paid attention this offseason, until you just read a tweet or something about the right side of the OL today.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I mean...we have Bill Callahan teaching these young guys now and an actual GM evaluating the talent in general, so no, it wouldn't be crazy to me to see the trends change. What's interesting is that even though last year was technically an Allen draft, the Redskins were paying McCloughan $75,000 for his scouting service so its possible some of Allen's draft picks last year are actually Scot McCloughan guys. Would explain why we hit on Breeland out of nowhere, why Moses might actually be turning out to be a starter, etc. Because really I have no faith in Allen and doubt he got lucky.
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
I personally have no problem with Scherff moving to guard, seemed like there was always a decent chance he'd end up there. Wish they'd taken Bitonio last year.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I get that, I really do. I just think its counterproductive to hold so tightly to preconceived notions in the face of new evidence, that's all. I'll shut up about Moses if he gets worked over by scrubs in preseason. But let's be honest, prospects we each have hated turn out to be good all the time, guys we loved coming out bust hard, guys come out of nowhere, and generally it just never works out how you'd have thought. So to be like "trust me dude, Moses just sucks, if he's starting we're in trouble" in such a confident manner, it really does show a strong bias that doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme. It will come down to the games like you said, but you seem really sure of yourself on this one.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Me too. I wished that at the time, so its only kinda 20/20 hindsight, but we'd be sitting pretty with Bitonio and Scherff at OG, Trent and Moses at OT, and just have to replace Lich at OC at some point. Plus we'd still have Gallette and Preston Smith at OLB, we might miss Murphy on running downs but I doubt it, that's the "easy" part of the OLB role to fill in the grand scheme and Preston Smith would be getting a ton more reps.
sigh.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
The hope you have with top 5 picks is they will be all pro every down players. The positional aspects went away when they put in a rookie salary cap. I don't care what they draft. It just needs to be a long term impact player. The team came into the draft knowing Chester was getting cut. It wouldn't surprise me if this wasn't the plan all along, or at least a backup plan for him. I mean the Giants planned to pick him as a G at #9, and most figured he'd be the first OL taken at that stage. The line needed major help. He's an upgrade over Chester and if Moses hadn't improved he'd have been an upgrade over any RT from last season.
Milkman
Footballguy
Bitonio was the pick. How they passed on him i'll never know. Huge need and by far the best player on the board at the time and no I'm not playing Monday morning QB. I said it the minute they passed on him on this board. That one hurt.....
Milkman
Footballguy
Guys it's not a money issue it's more a positional value issue. It's easier to find elite G in the later rounds than a LT or elite pass rusher.
Are team sucks. They need to take BPA every single time.
I'm done now. Carry on. Go skins!
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
McCloughan is a BPA guy though, Scherff was his BPA. We don't know how he grades prospects or weights BPA, but the only other guy on the board that was arguably "better" was Leonard Williams, and at the time that's who I personally wanted. But the jury is still out on him as well and he had his own issues--injury problems and off-field stuff that I've heard mentioned but never explained.
Swing 51
Footballguy
You promise?
In all seriousness I think you are more pessimistic on the 'Skins than I am - and that is saying a lot. Let's give Drunk Scot some time to get "his" guys in here and see what the results are. He has made it clear it will not be a situation that is resolved over night or in one year - a lot of work has to be done.
At least it is "game" day.
The information on Scherff's position switch has been pretty minimal. From what I have heard and read, Scherff was struggling in pass protection at RT. Especially with speed rushers on the outside. Moving him inside means that he has less space to protect, so the speed issue is not as great. Scherff is a much better run blocker than pass protector.
Moses appears to be much better and is staying down lower, which is important. The improvement is significant, but that does not necessarily mean he will be a good RT right away. Apparently going into the off season, OTA's and training camp, coaches did not know what to expect from Moses due to his Lisfranc injury. He is doing much more than expected, but is not 100% yet.
So the right side of the offensive line is still a big concern, especially in pass protection.
Moses appears to be much better and is staying down lower, which is important. The improvement is significant, but that does not necessarily mean he will be a good RT right away. Apparently going into the off season, OTA's and training camp, coaches did not know what to expect from Moses due to his Lisfranc injury. He is doing much more than expected, but is not 100% yet.
So the right side of the offensive line is still a big concern, especially in pass protection.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
gametime!
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Hate myself, can't help but be excited. We've made so many improvements and changes, but it still ll comes down to Griffin looking competent. Please be competent.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
oof. awful first defensive series
Griffindor
Footballguy
Paul down on the ground.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
jurb26
Footballguy
Looks pretty bad. Hopefully it's not.
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