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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2015 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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Archer
Footballguy
MattFancy
Footballguy
Sadly, you're right. We've need OL and pass rushers since forever it seems. Which means we'll take a LB in the 1st this year.Fixed that for ya
Wouldn't it be cool if we traded up to # 1 to grab Jamis Winston? Superbowl baby!Fixed that for ya
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
am i the only one who got redskins paraphernalia for xmas and was slightly disgusted? Got a big bright burgundy and gold scarf and have no interest in wearing it. 
Every year for the past 10 years my family got me Redskins stuff. This year I put them on notice. I will still root for the team but no $$ goes to that greedy little troll in Ashburn!am i the only one who got redskins paraphernalia for xmas and was slightly disgusted? Got a big bright burgundy and gold scarf and have no interest in wearing it.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Rick Snider @Snide_Remarks 56s57 seconds ago Maryland, US
Don't expect anything from Bruce Allen. He smiles, figures he's smarter than you. Should be a politician. Just a living silver spoon.
Rick Snider @Snide_Remarks 8s9 seconds ago Maryland, US
You can ask Bruce Allen the questions you want, but he won't say anything. You can't make him and he knows it.
Don't expect anything from Bruce Allen. He smiles, figures he's smarter than you. Should be a politician. Just a living silver spoon.
Rick Snider @Snide_Remarks 8s9 seconds ago Maryland, US
You can ask Bruce Allen the questions you want, but he won't say anything. You can't make him and he knows it.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I hate myself for this 
VaTerp
Footballguy
So I'm at a HS basketball Holiday tournament at Westfield HS in Chantilly, VA last night and guess who is in the stands for the last game of the night??? NFL coach of the year candidate Jay Gruden. His son plays basketball for Middleburg Academy.
He was apparently trying to be incognito wearing jeans, a flannel shirt, and baseball hat but there he was at the top of the stands. Nobody, other than a woman I assume to be his wife, said anything to him while I was there. The last Redskin I saw in public this year was Lache Seastrunk a couple of days before he was cut. I hope my siting of Gruden leads to a similar fate a few days from now but that doesn't look like its happening.
ETA- On a better note I did see former Hog, Raleigh McKenzie sitting on the front row of a bball game I was officiating a couple of weeks ago. I asked him if he could still play because the Skins could use him at guard. He response was, "they could use A LOT more than that," as we both shook our heads.
He was apparently trying to be incognito wearing jeans, a flannel shirt, and baseball hat but there he was at the top of the stands. Nobody, other than a woman I assume to be his wife, said anything to him while I was there. The last Redskin I saw in public this year was Lache Seastrunk a couple of days before he was cut. I hope my siting of Gruden leads to a similar fate a few days from now but that doesn't look like its happening.
ETA- On a better note I did see former Hog, Raleigh McKenzie sitting on the front row of a bball game I was officiating a couple of weeks ago. I asked him if he could still play because the Skins could use him at guard. He response was, "they could use A LOT more than that," as we both shook our heads.
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Dan Steinberg wrote the following in the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/12/30/redskins-have-spent-21-years-in-the-wilderness/
He basically says the Redskins have been lost for 21 years. It actually starts when Gibbs retires after the 1992 season.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/12/30/redskins-have-spent-21-years-in-the-wilderness/
He basically says the Redskins have been lost for 21 years. It actually starts when Gibbs retires after the 1992 season.
MattFancy
Footballguy
It's true though. Since the end of the 1992 season, we've been to the playoffs 4 times and I believe have 6 winning seaons. 6 winning seaons in 22 years. Pretty sad.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Mike Jones @MikeJonesWaPo 39s39 seconds ago
Redskins announced team and Haslett have "mutually agreed to part ways."
Redskins announced team and Haslett have "mutually agreed to part ways."
Didn't think it would happen. Wonder who they are eying as a replacement?
Please not Raheem Morris lest our joy be short lived...
MattFancy
Footballguy
He's my top choice, but I don't see it happening. Everyone says he either wants a HC job or he'll get into TV. And why would he turn down the Falcons or 49ers HC job only to come here and be the DC?
Totally agree...it won't happen. Still, woudl like to see Danny back up the Brinks truck and see what happens...
Happy he's gone, but he wasn't fired, he just wasn't extended
Don Quixote
Footballguy
Dan Steinberg @dcsportsbog 1m1 minute ago
"We're winning off the field," Bruce Allen just actually said
"We're winning off the field," Bruce Allen just actually said
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
So, is this the best day of the offseason for us?
MattFancy
Footballguy
Chris Russell @Russellmania980 1m1 minute ago
Bruce Allen basically said if I understand correctly that it is not all that important to have a proven personnel exec in building
Bruce Allen basically said if I understand correctly that it is not all that important to have a proven personnel exec in building
nittanylion
Footballguy
Hello, fellas.
:marksterritory:Love Stienberg, most of the time, and on this, he's right on the mark, in my opinion.
Bye, Jim. Won't miss you, and I don't expect you to have any sort of post-Redskins career rennaissance should you wind up in a Co-ordinator role elsewhere...
...however, for the record, I do think the personnel hand he was forced to play with this year would have been tough on anyone's favorite Defensive Co-ordinator.
There's a lot to not like about Haslett, but really, for the most ardent of detractors here, emotion aside, take the time to look at the opening day Roster, and the weekly active defensive players through the entire season. It's shockingly bad.
I'm not defending Haslett, but to be intellectually honest in your criticism, between injury and sheer lack of 'starter caliber' NFL talent, going into this Season, this was one of the worst assembled collections of defensive players on an NFL Roster going into 2014. Seriously - take the time to look at every other Defensive Roster in the NFL...you'd be hard-pressed to find a worse group...
...it's only my opinion, but my football mind tells me that given that assemblage of mediocrity, the loss of D. Hall was more problematic for the Team than the loss of Griffin. He's no world-beater, but with Hall on the field, everyone else could focus on trying to do their own jobs the best they could, given their limited talent. With Hall out, the field got 'bigger' and exposed every other player, especially in the secondary, for what they were. Average, at best.
Seriously, I've heard way too much from everyone here in 2014 #####ing about the play of the defense. Well, let's put that to bed - you can't play consistently good defense if you don't have consistently good Coaching, sure...but at this level, even the best of coaches can't coach consistently good defense out of a pile of crap of personnel.
Haslett is gone, and that's a step, yes. But sans Kerrigan, the Defensive Roster remains a shat-show. I like Keenan Robinson. I like Beshaud Breeland...
....but take a game-by-game look at the defensive players who 'dressed' for each game this year! Again, being intellectually honest, less than half of the starting 11 guys, for every. single. game. would have started for almost any other NFL Team - and most of those guys were our week-in, week-out starters.
Poor play is one thing when you have good players - it's entirely another thing when lack of overall talent, followed by injury, followed by lack of depth is entirely another, and has more to do with the pathetic mess we found ourselves in than Coaching, in 2014, in my opinion.
Don't mean to be harsh, just trying to help - there's plenty to blame on Haslett and he should be gone, but blaming him is easy and intellectually weak, if, in the same breath, anyone isn't acknowleging the putrid collection of players that populated this defensive roster from start to finish in 2014.
I don't think anyone here would be impressed with the output of this unit had any other defensive coach been in charge of this crew. It's really that bad.
Here's to 2015!
MattFancy
Footballguy
nittany, appreciate the insight, but Dallas was supposed to have the least talented defense in NFL history. Yet, their defense was better than ours. Yes, we had some personnel problems on defense, but other teams go through injuries and the like. To have guys out of position week in and week out, that's on the coaches.
VaTerp
Footballguy
Exactly.
Every team deals with injuries and depth problems in today's NFL. Thats why coaches make the money they make. To deal with it and still get results. No doubt that this team needs a talent upgrade everywhere but I don't want to hear that excuse on Haslett's behalf. There are 4 other years of mediocre to bad results and look at someone like Bacarri Rambo who looks like he doesnt even belong in the league with the Skins then gets picked up off the street by the Bills and ends up starting 3 games and playing relatively well for the Bills in the same season.
Consider this quote from an article posted a couple of days ago- "According to Pro Football Reference.com, Haslett’s defenses permitted more yards per game than any defensive coordinator ever over five years with one team. He narrowly missed most points allowed, too."
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/12/29/snider-allen-should-fire-haslett-hire-personnel-boss-2/
Basically, by some measures you can say that Haslett's 5 year run as DC here in DC is one of the worst in NFL history. Historically bad tenure as a defensive coordinator over a 5 year stretch with the same team.
The article accurately points out that Bruce Allen needs to make 2 easy decisions. Fire Haslett and bring in a true personnel guy. So it does speak to the lack of talent on the roster. But there is no excusing Haslett. He had to go. Sadly, his termination will likely be one of the few things the Skins do right this off season.
I didn't hear Allen's presser just now but I'm sure it was unsatisfactory. This is a rudderless ship right now that stinks from top to bottom.
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PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
MattFancy
Footballguy
I watched it live on Redskins.com. I'm sure they'll have it up or over on CSN Washington.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
He reminds me of former Jags GM Gene Smith. Just totally out of touch.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Dallas' defense was a pathetic collection of talent as well. You are absolutely right about that, and it's indisputable that going into 2014 less than nothing was expected from them, and rightly so...but this is where it's necessary to dig a little deeper. Every professional paid to make that analysis going into 2014, in the same breath, did not take into account several things that happened in Dallas that had nothing to do with the defensive personnel on paper, but had a tremendous impact on the quality of the defense those players were able to play.
1. Plenty of people acknowledged that the Cowboys had some talent on the Offensive Line, but no one, no one, knew, going into 2014, just how out-of-the-park they hit it with that collection of players. It's almost statistically impossible that they could not only have hit on all those guys, but hit home runs, not a single here, a double there etc...those guys were all home runs. Unreal.
2. As a direct result of that Offensive Line, the Cowboys Rushing Offense was one of the all-time best in NFL History. Not only was Demarco Murray a dynamic and impactful runner, but he didn't get hurt either - professionals paid to analyze such things knew Murray was talented, but Murray gambled on himself in a contract year and played like a man possessed all season long, and no one saw that coming to fruition...and for him to avoid injury like that was a career first for Murray as well.
3. As a direct result of the quality of the offensive line and Demarco Murray's rushing prowess, the Cowboys dominated time-of-possession all season long, allowing the defense more time to rest during the game, and game plan and be coached on the sidelines for in-game adjustments to situations. That offense stayed on the field a looong time, and they milked the play clock as well. All game long when they held a lead. Now that's good coaching right there. Protecting the defense without anyone but the paid analysts and most savvy of fans knowing what you're doing...but they did it, and did it well.
4. The defense played protecting a lead for most of the downs they were on the field, and a large percentage of the games, opposing offenses were in a position where they had to execute more high-risk, low-percentage plays because of the situation they found themselves in based on score and time of possession. Low percentage plays fail more often than not, which puts opposing offenses in unfavorable down and distance situations, which gives the defense an advantage.
5. When the offense did stall, it often stalled in 'plus territory', and the Cowboys punting and special teams were above average as well. Oppenents starting field position, along with score and time of possession contributed to the style of defense the Cowboys were able to play with their less than average collection of personnel. Field position, in conjuction with score and time remaining are another huge intangible the Dallas offense handed that defense to protect and help it.
Going into 2014, the Cowboys defensive roster was villified, and rightly so, but Dallas' monster offense, specifically the offensive line, which allowed the running game to be so brutally effective - generating yards, points, and bleeding valuable time off the clock - forced opposing offenses to play out of a disadvantaged position for the majority of downs in a majority of games this season.
Dallas' offense protected that defense, and handed them favorable situations, whether it was field position, score or time of possession that masked plenty of flaws and lack of talent.
The Redskins Offense, whatever the culprit - and a big culprit on that side of the football is lack of talent as well, specifically the offensive line and quarterback position - did the defense no such favors, and that the Defense was exposed for what they were.
VaTerp
Footballguy
MattFancy
Footballguy
True, Dallas' offense covered for alot of the defenses problems. But it still doesn't change the fact that their defense was league average this year, while the Skins were at the bottom again.
It would be one thing if this was Haslett's only bad season, but it hasn't been. In his 5 seasons here, the defense was never better than 20th in Points Allowed.
And it still goes back to coaching. If the coaches know the defense lacks proper talent, than don't put them in situations that aren't going to help them. When Breeland was getting torched by Beckham, give him seome help over top. When we don't cover Donnell or Ertz and they have career games, that's on the coaching. When you know our defense isn't meant to play from behind, run the ball more on offense.
2014 was just a total debacle for the team from the top to the bottom. And sadly, I don't see 2015 being much better.
It would be one thing if this was Haslett's only bad season, but it hasn't been. In his 5 seasons here, the defense was never better than 20th in Points Allowed.
And it still goes back to coaching. If the coaches know the defense lacks proper talent, than don't put them in situations that aren't going to help them. When Breeland was getting torched by Beckham, give him seome help over top. When we don't cover Donnell or Ertz and they have career games, that's on the coaching. When you know our defense isn't meant to play from behind, run the ball more on offense.
2014 was just a total debacle for the team from the top to the bottom. And sadly, I don't see 2015 being much better.
nittanylion
Footballguy
I'm sorry to have to disagree with you, but please understand that my disagreement is based on having had conversations with NFL Coaches and Players, and I have been told by them that it only applies to playing at the NFL level - where the sifting and culling and attrition have washed away all the chaff, and the elite of the elite combinations of size, strength, speed, quickness, athleticism and intelligence remain - at the NFL level, coaching cannot overcome an overwhelmingly significant talent gap. Not without intangibles playing a role, like, in Dallas' case, one of the other units (offense, special teams) being so overwhelmingly dominant that they exert their influence beyond their time on the field. You cannot step onto the field with a significantly lesser amount of talented players than the Team on the other side of the line of scrimmage, and expect to consistently perform at a high level, no matter who is coaching them, because football speed and football intelligence (meaning where repetition has become instinct, and players are playing without thinking about what they are doing during the course of a play) both cannot be coached. Players just have it, or they don't - which is why we're always surprised when some collegiate superstars flop in the NFL. It starts with the talent, and without the talent, everything else suffers...
...and that's why the real problem here lies at the top, where we haven't had a qualified General Manager who's an ace at Player Evaluation in almost two decades.
TWO DECADES!!!
Again, I am not defending Haslett or saying he shouldn't have been fired, or even that I expect him to get another job and be successful elsewhere, because I don't think he should have been brought back for 2014...but this year. This one year - 2014 - I'm absolutely saying that given the inconsitency of the offense, given the overall lack of talent on the entire Team, particularly the defense going into 2014, given the injuries, and givin the lack of depth, I don't think any Coach could have gotten much more out of them than Haslett did...and I think that's part of the reason why a change wasn't made during the Season. I think Gruden knew how bad it was and that changing coaches wasn't going to change results.
I'm a Professional Chef by trade, and I can very confidently say I'm a cook with considerable talent and skill. If I go to the Mennonite Farmer I buy chickens from and he hand-selects me the best bird from his flock as his professional eye allows him to, I can make you a multi course tasting menu with wine pairings using every edible part of that chicken, including it's skin, feet and comb that will have you walking around in a state of stunned disbelief at the quality of the meal, and the very reasonable price. If you hand me a factory-farmed chicken you randomly selected from the bin at some crap store like Safeway or Food Lion, I can still make you a decent enough meal that you might be satisfied, even happy with, based on what you like, and what you know about food and ingredients. Certainly not something you'd spit out in disgust...but I wouldn't personally be happy with it.
I can't cook anything edible with chickenshat.
nittanylion
Footballguy
As an aside, I just have to say: that press conference, or actually, Allen's responses, as despondent as any on-field result I had the displeasure of witnessing this Season.
This Season was like getting kicked in the balls repeatedly...and just when thought it was over, and you've recovered enough to be able to stand up and take a breath, along comes Allen's reportoire of garbage answers...WHAM!!!
Us >
< Snyder, Allen
This Season was like getting kicked in the balls repeatedly...and just when thought it was over, and you've recovered enough to be able to stand up and take a breath, along comes Allen's reportoire of garbage answers...WHAM!!!
Us >
< Snyder, AllenI'm listening to it now. He just talks and talks and talks and says nothing really.As an aside, I just have to say: that press conference, or actually, Allen's responses, as despondent as any on-field result I had the displeasure of witnessing this Season.
This Season was like getting kicked in the balls repeatedly...and just when thought it was over, and you've recovered enough to be able to stand up and take a breath, along comes Allen's reportoire of garbage answers...WHAM!!!
Us >
Empty suit.
MattFancy
Footballguy
DC Sports Bog with some tweets about the presser:
Every time Beathard/Casserly talked u learned a ton & laughed some too. Every time u've heard Cerrato/BAllen, brain cells die & u wanna cry
— Thomas Boswell (@ThomasBoswellWP) December 31, 2014
If you count that press conference, Redskins are 4-13 for the season.
— Neil Greenberg (@ngreenberg) December 31, 2014
Didn't tweet during Allen presser, trying to concentrate. But here's bottom line – he sidestepped any real answers and wants the team to win
— Rick Snider (@Snide_Remarks) December 31, 2014
Allen took some serious hits from media and never flinched. It's because he doesn't care what others think. His job is secure.
— Rick Snider (@Snide_Remarks) December 31, 2014
How is it possible to feel worse about the future of a team than you did right after they went 4-12? Feel like we lost another 6 games today
— Chris Kinard (@ChrisKinard) December 31, 2014
So that went well.
— John Keim (@john_keim) December 31, 2014
Summary: who knows if we can find a winning formula, don't be surprised if we finish in last again, & we're winning off the field. Our GM.
— DC Paragon (@SportingParagon) December 31, 2014
Every time Beathard/Casserly talked u learned a ton & laughed some too. Every time u've heard Cerrato/BAllen, brain cells die & u wanna cry
— Thomas Boswell (@ThomasBoswellWP) December 31, 2014
If you count that press conference, Redskins are 4-13 for the season.
— Neil Greenberg (@ngreenberg) December 31, 2014
Didn't tweet during Allen presser, trying to concentrate. But here's bottom line – he sidestepped any real answers and wants the team to win
— Rick Snider (@Snide_Remarks) December 31, 2014
Allen took some serious hits from media and never flinched. It's because he doesn't care what others think. His job is secure.
— Rick Snider (@Snide_Remarks) December 31, 2014
How is it possible to feel worse about the future of a team than you did right after they went 4-12? Feel like we lost another 6 games today
— Chris Kinard (@ChrisKinard) December 31, 2014
So that went well.
— John Keim (@john_keim) December 31, 2014
Summary: who knows if we can find a winning formula, don't be surprised if we finish in last again, & we're winning off the field. Our GM.
— DC Paragon (@SportingParagon) December 31, 2014
I'm reminded of those old Dilbert Cartoons.
"Why did such and such get promoted to management?"
"Well, he's tall."
"Is that it?"
"He has nice hair too."
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nittanylion
Footballguy
How is it possible to feel worse about the future of a team than you did right after they went 4-12? Feel like we lost another 6 games today
— Chris Kinard (@ChrisKinard) December 31, 2014
That's a tremendous quote. I don't think it could be said any better.
— Chris Kinard (@ChrisKinard) December 31, 2014
That's a tremendous quote. I don't think it could be said any better.
MattFancy
Footballguy
He's right though. I feel like we're just going in circle right now. The guys in charge that put us in the mess, seem to think they can get us out of it. I'm not so confident there.
Don Quixote
Footballguy
If Ryan gets another HC gig, Dennis Allen or Mike Smith are a couple of other HCs let go with defensive coordinator background. Not a bad year to be in the market for a DC.
(Of course, they will probably end going for someone with TB connections, like promoting Morris or hiring Monte Kiffin.)
If they promote Morris, it will be hard to stomach. Hasn't he presided over the worst aspect of our defense?
