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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2015 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

Sidewinder16 said:
dhockster said:
McCloughan may be a step in the right direction for the Redskins; Unfortunately, you still have Gruden, who doesn't seem to have learned anything from last year:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/26/jay-gruden-rg3-has-the-starting-job-right-now/
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What exactly is the issue with Gruden's statement? I read it as Gruden saying it's Griffin's job to lose. If that's problematic, then I think what McCloughan said the other day is far worse.

"No one will be handed a job from my standpoint," McCloughan said. "You have to earn it. That's what the NFL is about. I don't have any ties with any of the players. I didn't draft them. So I'm coming in -- prove it to me. Prove to me you deserve to be on the field. That's the way it should be in the NFL."
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That is what the NFL is about. It is actually a pretty brutal environment.

It actually expands the Gruden as well. From what I can tell, he is being given free reign on deciding the QB. But he is going to be evaluated on how he coaches and develops the QBs as well as the rest of the team. If we have a repeat of last year, I do think Gruden will be gone.

 
dehaven123 said:
dhockster said:
Sidewinder16 said:
dhockster said:
McCloughan may be a step in the right direction for the Redskins; Unfortunately, you still have Gruden, who doesn't seem to have learned anything from last year:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/26/jay-gruden-rg3-has-the-starting-job-right-now/
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What exactly is the issue with Gruden's statement? I read it as Gruden saying it's Griffin's job to lose. If that's problematic, then I think what McCloughan said the other day is far worse.

"No one will be handed a job from my standpoint," McCloughan said. "You have to earn it. That's what the NFL is about. I don't have any ties with any of the players. I didn't draft them. So I'm coming in -- prove it to me. Prove to me you deserve to be on the field. That's the way it should be in the NFL."
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It just sounds like more of the same from last year. "you're the starter right now" sounds a whole lot like "you're the starter until you mess up". If it is truly an open competition, then say you don't have a starting QB yet, that will have to be earned in camp.

My impression is that RG3 is not Gruden's kind of QB and that Gruden will do whatever he can to play someone else. If my impression is right, that is not a good way for a team to enter the season. Just my two cents.
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When i saw the clip, I took it as gruden saying the same as Scott Mcloughan, trying to sound sincere about the possibility of the skins taking a qb in the first rd, helping grease the skids for possibly trading back. my thought was, GM and HC on the same page here. I even considered Scott had told gruden to speak that way purposely. maybe I'm giving the new braintrust too much credit...
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There is absolutely no reason to telegraph what you are thinking and planning about the draft. All they have said is if a QB is the best pick, they will pick him. Pretty generic. For all we know, they could hate Mariota. Or they could love him. And they shouldn't do anything to clarify it to any of us.

 
http://deadspin.com/how-dan-snyder-helped-get-an-enemy-reporter-promoted-ri-1693989144

Might be old news to some, but I thought it was interesting - it's about how Snyder allegedly pushed for Jason La Canfora to get the NFL Network job he has now so he would be off of the Redskins beat. Some of the anecdotes give you an idea of what the front office situation was like in the mid 2000s...I really hope McCloughan is the end of that, at least from a personnel perspective.

 
Ted Mullins said:
http://deadspin.com/how-dan-snyder-helped-get-an-enemy-reporter-promoted-ri-1693989144

Might be old news to some, but I thought it was interesting - it's about how Snyder allegedly pushed for Jason La Canfora to get the NFL Network job he has now so he would be off of the Redskins beat. Some of the anecdotes give you an idea of what the front office situation was like in the mid 2000s...I really hope McCloughan is the end of that, at least from a personnel perspective.
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That was a good read, hadn't heard the La Canfora rumor. What a said lil man Danny is.

 
Marvelous said:
ESPN graded the Redskins off season so far as the second best.

Here is an article referencing the ESPN article:

http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/3/28/8300265/espn-grades-the-redskins-first-free-agency-with-scot-mccloughan
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:lmao: at these:

Now if you're a long-time Redskins fan, the first questions that go through your mind are 'What's the catch?' and 'How will this blow up in our faces?'.
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Grade the Redskins Offseason:

A

A-

B

B-

C

D

Cerrato
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Didn't realize we let Jarvis Jenkins go until he signed with da Bears. Not that he really did much when he was in Wash.

 
Bucs trade Goldson and a 2016 7th to the Skins for a 2016 6th and the Bucs pick up $4M of his salary.

McCloughan with a steal there.

 
MattFancy said:
Bucs trade Goldson and a 2016 7th to the Skins for a 2016 6th and the Bucs pick up $4M of his salary.

McCloughan with a steal there.
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$8m cap hit this season for the 'Skins. For a very disappointing player. Why is this a steal?

Hope you're right

 
Warrior said:
MattFancy said:
Bucs trade Goldson and a 2016 7th to the Skins for a 2016 6th and the Bucs pick up $4M of his salary.

McCloughan with a steal there.
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$8m cap hit this season for the 'Skins. For a very disappointing player. Why is this a steal?

Hope you're right
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The Bucs are picking up $4m of it, so we're only on the hook for the other half.

I'm sure they're going to try and restructure as well. Seems like a low-risk, high-reward move to me.

Secondary looks like: Culliver, Breeland, Hall/Amerson, Goldson, Johnson. Hard to say that's not an improvement over last year's group.

 
Rich Tandler ‏@Rich_TandlerCSN

Rich Tandler retweeted ProFootballTalk

So, given this the Redskins will take a $4 million cap charge for Goldson. $3.5 million salary, $500K workout.

Rich Tandler added,

ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk Per source, Bucs will pay the $4 million fully guaranteed under Dashon Goldson's contract for 2015 despite trade to Washington.

 
And since his guarantees are done after this season, the Skins can cut him next season and it won't cost anything

 
I love the new S depth of Goldson, Johnson, Thomas, and Ihenacho. Great rebuild of the position for minimal cost!

 
Guinis72 said:
I love the new S depth of Goldson, Johnson, Thomas, and Ihenacho. Great rebuild of the position for minimal cost!
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Goldson at $8 million with a 10 cent skillset doesn't meet many definitions of "minimal cost," but you have a point. Safety is such a position of talent deficiency throughout the league that this motley group truly is "depth."
 
ol blues said:
Guinis72 said:
I love the new S depth of Goldson, Johnson, Thomas, and Ihenacho. Great rebuild of the position for minimal cost!
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Goldson at $8 million with a 10 cent skillset doesn't meet many definitions of "minimal cost," but you have a point. Safety is such a position of talent deficiency throughout the league that this motley group truly is "depth."
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Hey Donkey he's not costing the Redskins $8 million. At least know the terms of the trade before you try to troll.
 
thayman said:
ol blues said:
Guinis72 said:
I love the new S depth of Goldson, Johnson, Thomas, and Ihenacho. Great rebuild of the position for minimal cost!
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Goldson at $8 million with a 10 cent skillset doesn't meet many definitions of "minimal cost," but you have a point. Safety is such a position of talent deficiency throughout the league that this motley group truly is "depth."
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Hey Donkey he's not costing the Redskins $8 million. At least know the terms of the trade before you try to troll.
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edit: youre rights hes 4 million on our cap.

 
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This is actually a pretty interesting trade.

Tampa moves up 37 draft spots (from top of 7th round to near the top of the 6th round) to trade a player they were going to cut.

The Redskins move down, but get a player with no competition. He costs $4M for year 1 and no sign bonus proration/dead cap issues. Two years ago, Goldson was worth a 5 year,$41.25 M contract with $18M guaranteed. He was paid like a premier safety.

The Redskins gave up very little for Goldson. If he can play some, he could be a bargain.

 
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thayman said:
It's a smart trade. That's weird I don't I've said that bout The Redskins before.
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The only similar trade I can think of in recent memory was the trade we made for Carriker years ago (and he performed well before constant injuries). Similar deal where we picked him up just for moving down a round at the end of the draft. Goldson is much more experienced, of course.

 
We've brought in five worthwhile UFA's (RJF, Paea, Knighton, Culliver, Johnson) and made one trade (Goldson).

That's six fairly major additions, five of them being immediate starters.

Of those six? Five have SB experience.

Think about that.

That's HUGE for this locker room.

This is how you create a winning culture. You fill the locker room with winners for the young players to play with and learn from.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
We've brought in five worthwhile UFA's (RJF, Paea, Knighton, Culliver, Johnson) and made one trade (Goldson).

That's six fairly major additions, five of them being immediate starters.

Of those six? Five have SB experience.

Think about that.

That's HUGE for this locker room.

This is how you create a winning culture. You fill the locker room with winners for the young players to play with and learn from.
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Also, per the ESPN article I mentioned earlier, Culliver is the only player the Redskins really paid much for. All of the other players are very good value signings.

Goldson at $4M for 1 year should also fit in that category.

 
Former NE Pats RB Steven Ridley in town for a visit today. Coming off of a torn ACL in October. Pretty versatile back, would be a good compliment to Alf IMO.

 
Week 1: 1pm Dolphins

Week 2: 1pm Rams

Week 3: 825pm at Giants (Thursday Night)

Week 4: 1pm Eagles

Week 5: 1pm at Falcons

Week 6: 1pm at Jets

Week 7: 1pm Buccaneers

Week 8: BYE

Week 9: 1pm at Patriots

Week 10: 1pm Saints

Week 11: 1pm at Panthers

Week 12: 1pm Giants

Week 13: 825pm Cowboys (Monday Night)

Week 14: 1pm at Bears

Week 15: 1pm Bills

Week 16: 825 at Eagles (Sunday Night)

Week 17: 1pm at Cowboys

 
thayman said:
Week 1: 1pm Dolphins

Week 2: 1pm Rams

Week 3: 825pm at Giants (Thursday Night)

Week 4: 1pm Eagles

Week 5: 1pm at Falcons

Week 6: 1pm at Jets

Week 7: 1pm Buccaneers

Week 8: BYE

Week 9: 1pm at Patriots

Week 10: 1pm Saints

Week 11: 1pm at Panthers

Week 12: 1pm Giants

Week 13: 825pm Cowboys (Monday Night)

Week 14: 1pm at Bears

Week 15: 1pm Bills

Week 16: 825 at Eagles (Sunday Night)

Week 17: 1pm at Cowboys
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After the Bye is tough! But i think we need the easy start.

 
So, simply from an 'as the Team is constructed right now' POV, I have us winning at home vs the Rams, Buccaneers and Bills, and going 2-4 in the Division, so...

2013: 3-13

2014: 4-12

2015: 5-11

Hey, technically, improvement is improvement!!!

 
Agree, although the last few years we've been trending towards the territory where we may no longer have games that should be sure wins.

We'll see how the draft goes but I am with everyone else, really like what McCloughan has done in FA. I think if you look around the league at the teams with top notch GMs, they tend to be at least mediocre even in their down years - hopefully we rebuild for a couple years and get to that echelon. I still don't like Gruden very much, but we'll see where that goes in due time.

 
dgreen said:
MattFancy said:
Report: Redskins inclined to pick up RG3's contract option
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From the very little I've read about it (a few tweets), it sounds like it's actually pretty easy for the Redskins to get out of it if they want to so it could be a no-brainer.
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IIRC it's only a problem for them if he has a catastrophic injury. Then it becomes fully guaranteed. I could be mistaken on that part, but I'm pretty sure that was the big thing with his option.

 
Hardy gets suspended for 10 games, but still plays against us twice, yet doesn't play the Giants or the Eagles at all. That's pretty freaking weird.

 
This will be an interested draft.

Staying at #5 there are a lot of options that will be there...

OLB - Fowler (if not gone), Beasley, Ray ... even Dupree and Gregory

DL - Leonard Williams may slip but they've already done a lot to fix the DL

OL - Scherff or Flowers will be available if they really want a RT/RG, but probably too high

WR - At least one of Cooper/White should be there

Will there be a trade? Maybe someone wants White/Cooper, or Fowler/Williams slips and someone wants them. Or Mariota even drops, albeit that seems more unlikely now. And if he's there do you take him (doubtful) knowing that RG3 may be done after this year and the 2016 draft looks horrid at QB? I think there will be some deals on the table for them, even if they don't take them.

QB/Cousins trade? - Still see this as the #1 long term issue for this team, and the only way it is going to get fixed at this point is for RG3 to step up and deliver. It is ugly if RG3 fails and you look at 2016 draft and free agency. So how do you make RG3 succeed? First, you eliminate a thorn in his side. I really like Cousins, but he isn't even the #2 in Gruden's mind. So why is he here? It may not be a great pick you get back for him, but you have to take it don't you? Another team is going to want Cousins as a backup maybe for a 4th/5th rounder. He's far better than many other backups out there. It probably isn't smart to move him for personnel reasons, but I think it's smart to move him for the mindset of RG3 and even the coaches.

WR/Garcon - How do they get a big red-zone target? If they go WR in Round 1/2, where does Garcon fit? Does he move to the slot instead of Roberts? I think Garcon is a talent so I hope he stays for at least one more year. I hate to see talent go on a team that desperately needs it. But I have to think some of the better teams would be inquiring about him.

Kick Returner - Roberts was very average, and it seems they aren't going to use Jackson there much. They desperately need a breakaway threat. Will Nelson Agholor still be there in Round 2? He could help at kick returner and WR.

Later in draft, who will they get to add some talent at S/CB and OL? They need some youth at that OL position.

Nobody is going to argue with who McCloughan takes, and nobody thinks his selections are going to miraculously make the Skins a contender. But I do think will be a fun draft for Skins fans just to see what he does.

 
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