***Official*** Washington Redskins 2015 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[Han Solo]

BPA-Not...skin fans have to be dissapointed.

 

[Hang 10]

3 OT's picked in the first 13 picks. There was noway they were going to be able to trade down and get their guy.

 

[Milkman]

3 OT's picked in the first 13 picks. There was noway they were going to be able to trade down and get their guy.

That's not entirely the point. There is OL help available still. There will be in the second round too.

 

[Hang 10]

3 OT's picked in the first 13 picks. There was noway they were going to be able to trade down and get their guy.

That's not entirely the point. There is OL help available still. There will be in the second round too.

Wasn't that first point you made? That he was a good pick but they could have got him later?

Supposedly he was the 3rd ranked guy on their board. The first 2 guys got picked. I guess I'll give the new GM the benefit of the doubt.

 

[nittanylion]

:sigh: It's always something...

Didn't even use 5 minutes of their clock, with Leonard Williams sitting on the board for anyone else to make an offer for...if any of those jokers on 106.7 or 980 consider themselves journalists, they'd better be asking McCloughan that question over, and over and over and over again until he gives an believeable answer. Love the player, but :yikes: how do you take him at 1.05, without even using the full clock, just to see what kind of ridiculous package might have come across your desk for the consensus best defensive player in the entire Draft. What a waste of 12 minutes that belonged to no one but you.

Very good chance he's going to be a solid, if not great OL and barring injury be a fixture OL for a decade in our worst area. I'm very happy to have him. Better chance someone in the top 16 wanted Leonard Williams enough to offer the Redskins more picks than what they have right now, and for a Team that could quite easily replace about 3/4 of last years starters with fresh young faces and not do any worse, there were plenty of other Rookies available that could have had an immediate impact for the Redskins and still netted us more darts to throw at the board. The Team is so bad, there's not one Rookie available tonight worth falling in love with enough not to pass up for more material in the early rounds, or next Season. We are far from one Offensive Lineman away from contending for anything.

For all the hype that came with McCloughan, color me surprised, with a tinge of disappointment at this outcome. Again, not the Player selected, but rather the process. There's absolutely no rush. You own the whole 15 minutes and no one can take it from you. Why. Not. Wait. And. See. Who. Calls.

I'm sorry not to be excellent, but you're a blind homer of the worst sort if you don't have even a little bit of a problem with this.

Grade: Bittersweet.

 

[Milkman]

3 OT's picked in the first 13 picks. There was noway they were going to be able to trade down and get their guy.

That's not entirely the point. There is OL help available still. There will be in the second round too.

Wasn't that first point you made? That he was a good pick but they could have got him later?

Supposedly he was the 3rd ranked guy on their board. The first 2 guys got picked. I guess I'll give the new GM the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah it was but that doesn't mean trading down and acquiring addition picks for our team wasn't still the correct move. He likely would have been gone at 9 though I agree with you. Sometimes there isn't a trade opportunity either.

 

[deancheated]

There weren't any trades happening tonight. I am sure they were open to it but when nothing worthwhile was out there, they picked THE SINGLE GREATEST need the team has. Kid has a high grade and was the unanimous best OT in the draft. Why after years of #####ing about not drafting for the offensive line are some Skins fans complaining? I really don't get it. Q

 

[MikeApf]

Redskins fans -- complain that we don't draft OLineman year after year after year and then b*tch and moan when we take one with the first round pick.

You know when the last time I heard a bunch of Redskins fans whining that we "reached" for a player -- Ryan Kerrigan.

Let it play out. Scott McGl is a pro at player evaluation and deserves the benefit of the doubt. Just because some fans of other teams are razzing us does NOT mean it wasn't the right pick. Let it play out.

I know we haven't won in a while but jeeze ...

 

[southeastjerome]

3 OT's picked in the first 13 picks. There was noway they were going to be able to trade down and get their guy.

That's not entirely the point. There is OL help available still. There will be in the second round too.

Wasn't that first point you made? That he was a good pick but they could have got him later?

Supposedly he was the 3rd ranked guy on their board. The first 2 guys got picked. I guess I'll give the new GM the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah it was but that doesn't mean trading down and acquiring addition picks for our team wasn't still the correct move. He likely would have been gone at 9 though I agree with you. Sometimes there isn't a trade opportunity either.

I got badgered for criticizing the Amerson pick right after it is made a few years ago, Skins fans are homers to a fault.

 

[MikeApf]

3 OT's picked in the first 13 picks. There was noway they were going to be able to trade down and get their guy.

That's not entirely the point. There is OL help available still. There will be in the second round too.

Wasn't that first point you made? That he was a good pick but they could have got him later?

Supposedly he was the 3rd ranked guy on their board. The first 2 guys got picked. I guess I'll give the new GM the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah it was but that doesn't mean trading down and acquiring addition picks for our team wasn't still the correct move. He likely would have been gone at 9 though I agree with you. Sometimes there isn't a trade opportunity either.

I got badgered for criticizing the Amerson pick right after it is made a few years ago, Skins fans are homers to a fault.

Yeah, but is it really a "homer move" just to give Scott M the benefit of the doubt on the pick. I mean, I don't hear anyone saying that Scherff is gonna transform the Redskins into a 12 win team this year.

Has it gotten to the point where if you DON'T lay into the Redskins for being idiots for every move then you are a "homer." You ought to be able to give the new GM the benefit of the doubt without being labelled irrational for doing it.

 

[southeastjerome]

3 OT's picked in the first 13 picks. There was noway they were going to be able to trade down and get their guy.

That's not entirely the point. There is OL help available still. There will be in the second round too.

Wasn't that first point you made? That he was a good pick but they could have got him later?

Supposedly he was the 3rd ranked guy on their board. The first 2 guys got picked. I guess I'll give the new GM the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah it was but that doesn't mean trading down and acquiring addition picks for our team wasn't still the correct move. He likely would have been gone at 9 though I agree with you. Sometimes there isn't a trade opportunity either.

I got badgered for criticizing the Amerson pick right after it is made a few years ago, Skins fans are homers to a fault.

Yeah, but is it really a "homer move" just to give Scott M the benefit of the doubt on the pick. I mean, I don't hear anyone saying that Scherff is gonna transform the Redskins into a 12 win team this year.

Has it gotten to the point where if you DON'T lay into the Redskins for being idiots for every move then you are a "homer." You ought to be able to give the new GM the benefit of the doubt without being labelled irrational for doing it.

No, I actually like the player and the pick. Just saying, that you can't expect to come in here and say something negative about the draft without someone defending the team.

 

[MikeApf]

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3 OT's picked in the first 13 picks. There was noway they were going to be able to trade down and get their guy.

That's not entirely the point. There is OL help available still. There will be in the second round too.

Wasn't that first point you made? That he was a good pick but they could have got him later?

Supposedly he was the 3rd ranked guy on their board. The first 2 guys got picked. I guess I'll give the new GM the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah it was but that doesn't mean trading down and acquiring addition picks for our team wasn't still the correct move. He likely would have been gone at 9 though I agree with you. Sometimes there isn't a trade opportunity either.

I got badgered for criticizing the Amerson pick right after it is made a few years ago, Skins fans are homers to a fault.

Yeah, but is it really a "homer move" just to give Scott M the benefit of the doubt on the pick. I mean, I don't hear anyone saying that Scherff is gonna transform the Redskins into a 12 win team this year.

Has it gotten to the point where if you DON'T lay into the Redskins for being idiots for every move then you are a "homer." You ought to be able to give the new GM the benefit of the doubt without being labelled irrational for doing it.

No, I actually like the player and the pick. Just saying, that you can't expect to come in here and say something negative about the draft without someone defending the team.

Yeah, I do agree with that. it's contentious for sure. I was surprised by the pick honestly but I am cool with it. Here's the bottom line: Mayock had Sherff going # 9, four picks later than what we had. So, it doesn't look like we could have drafted him had we traded down to a team like, say, the Browns. You could claim that we f'd up because L Williams was BPA but two problems with that: a.) we don't know he was top rated player according to our scouts. Just because the media labelled him the best player doesn't mean that we should all bow down to that. Media sports guys are hit and miss in their evaluations so take with a grain of salt. b.) most of our free agent action was shoring up defensive line and we were still woefully inadequate at OL. So, while Williams may have been BPA, Scherff may actually be the bigger impact player.

Again, the thing I keep going back to is the Kerrigan pick. I distinctly remember at the time everyone poo pooing the pick and saying we could have gotten him later. But thank god Shanahan stuck to his guns and picked the guy he thought woudl make an impact.

The other thing I go back to is Dallas adding pieces on the offensive line year after year and the benefits it paid off. Remember when they drafted Travis Frederick. All the geniouses on the Internet made fun of the Cowboys and said they reached. Frederick later became a pro bowl player and Dallas' offensive line led their resurgence.

I defintely feel we should be able to criticize the Redskins picks but there is enough rationale for this one that I can't just consider it a head slapping move. it seems lihe the main basis to critcize the pick is that it doesn't jell with Kiper's mock draft, as if teams shoudl just check the media mocks and go with that...

Anyway, I guess it'll just have to play out.

 

[Swing 51]

Just a reminder to everyone that the plan for the draft is BPA. We all know that's how McCloughan operates and it shouldn't be a surprise. Please don't freak out if you think they didn't fill certain needs. We already know that's a possibility.

TIA

Once again, the exact opposite of the Redskin way of doing things.

This is what we've wanted for years. In Scot we trust!

 

[dehaven123]

Looking to the 2nd Rd...

Assuming Gregory slides to 2.05, does it seem like a good spot for the skins to pull the trigger on maybe the best pass rusher in the draft?

It would seem like good value, right? I considered the cowboys would have drafted Gregory in the late first.

 

[MikeApf]

Looking to the 2nd Rd...

Assuming Gregory slides to 2.05, does it seem like a good spot for the skins to pull the trigger on maybe the best pass rusher in the draft?

It would seem like good value, right? I considered the cowboys would have drafted Gregory in the late first.

I think as Gregory has some mental issues, he's considered high risk/high reward. That said, if the Redskins have a more "sure bet" there, they may take it. We have so many holes, we can't afford to make a risky selection with a second round pick. We need a guy who can give us productivity right away.

 

[MikeApf]

Landon Collins still on the board. Any chance he makes it to 2-05? Worth the pick there?

 

[Rimez]

Redskins fans -- complain that we don't draft OLineman year after year after year and then b*tch and moan when we take one with the first round pick.

You know when the last time I heard a bunch of Redskins fans whining that we "reached" for a player -- Ryan Kerrigan.

Let it play out. Scott McGl is a pro at player evaluation and deserves the benefit of the doubt. Just because some fans of other teams are razzing us does NOT mean it wasn't the right pick. Let it play out.

I know we haven't won in a while but jeeze ...

REALLY? i like kerrigan as much as the next guy but come on, we PASSED ON BPA JJ ####### WATT to trade down instead then took kerrigan a dozen spots too early. #### teams always draft out of need instead of BPA, like the time we passed on AP and overdrafted landry because we had clinton portis. or when we needed a CB so we passed on BPA demarcus ware and reached for stone hands carlos rogers. seriously the All Pro Team of the century is comprised of guys that went immediately after the skins "need" picks. there are countless times the BPA is right there and we pass and look like idiots a few years down the line. in 5 years someone is going to look back at this draft and laugh that we took a running game guard who cant pass protect at #5 right before all pro leonard williams lol, and we passed why exactly because we signed ricky francois and terrance knighton?! the jets have one of the best defensive lines in the league and even they were like high fiving and dancing around because williams fell to them. new GM but its the same old skins.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Redskins fans -- complain that we don't draft OLineman year after year after year and then b*tch and moan when we take one with the first round pick.

You know when the last time I heard a bunch of Redskins fans whining that we "reached" for a player -- Ryan Kerrigan.

Let it play out. Scott McGl is a pro at player evaluation and deserves the benefit of the doubt. Just because some fans of other teams are razzing us does NOT mean it wasn't the right pick. Let it play out.

I know we haven't won in a while but jeeze ...

REALLY? i like kerrigan as much as the next guy but come on, we PASSED ON BPA JJ ####### WATT to trade down instead then took kerrigan a dozen spots too early. #### teams always draft out of need instead of BPA, like the time we passed on AP and overdrafted landry because we had clinton portis. or when we needed a CB so we passed on BPA demarcus ware and reached for stone hands carlos rogers. seriously the All Pro Team of the century is comprised of guys that went immediately after the skins "need" picks. there are countless times the BPA is right there and we pass and look like idiots a few years down the line. in 5 years someone is going to look back at this draft and laugh that we took a running game guard who cant pass protect at #5 right before all pro leonard williams lol, and we passed why exactly because we signed ricky francois and terrance knighton?! the jets have one of the best defensive lines in the league and even they were like high fiving and dancing around because williams fell to them. new GM but its the same old skins.

at folks who think they know exactly how players careers will play out on draft day.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

April 30, 2015Redskins Park

Head Coach Jay Gruden

On the selection of Brandon Scherff with the No. 5 overall pick:

“Well, there was a lot of things happened, obviously, with the first four picks that had a lot of impact on what we were deciding to do. Then when it came to our pick, we thought that he was the best person for what we wanted, the best player available. If you’re talking about offensive linemen, you’re talking about a big, physical guy, and we want to bring that mentality back to this football team and it starts up front. We addressed the defensive front a little bit in free agency, and I think we had to address the offensive linemen, the offensive line room, and we did that tonight.”

On if he sees Scherff at tackle or guard:

“That’s the exciting thing about Brandon. He’s very versatile. Heck, he could probably play center if he wanted to. But I think Day 1, we start him out at right tackle. Obviously we have a Pro Bowl left tackle. We’ll start him out at right tackle, see how he does and I’m sure he’ll pick it up quickly. The thing we liked about him also, he’s a very smart guy. He loves football, studies the game, knows a lot about it, has been well-coached in college. He has a lot of experience playing the position, so I think the transition will be smooth for him.”

On if the team came close to trading the pick:

“Well, you know, we had the phones in the room. Not a lot of action. We had phone calls here and there. When it comes right down to it, if you have the guy you want, you’ve got to take him and that’s what happened. With Brandon, we had high grades on him all across the board. Our scouts did, our coaches did and if you trade back too far, you risk not getting him. It’s very exciting for us to get an offensive lineman – a guy that’s going to play here for a long time. Tough, physical, get us back to the glory days of running the football and being physical.”

On if that speaks to how highly the staff thought of Scherff:

“We thought very highly of him, yes. We understand that there’s a premium on great offensive tackles. They’re hard to find nowadays, and when you have a chance to get one of his caliber, you have to stand up and take him.”

On what was most impressive about Scherff:

“His toughness, his relentless tenacity. He’s a non-stop motor, plays every snap, he’s physical, he finishes blocks. He’s good in pass protection. There’s some things he can clean up. Obviously, he’s not a finished product yet, but he’s the closest thing we saw on tape. He can pass protect, he’s great in the run game. His double teams are ferocious. Physical, and most importantly, you can tell he has a great passion for the game. We’re looking for guys that really love to play this football game, because when it’s all said and done, you’ve got to have fun playing. I don’t think anybody has more fun at the tackle spot than Brandon.”

On if the pick was for the purpose of upgrading the team’s pass protection:

“We’re just looking at upgrading our football team. We felt that Brandon was the guy to do that right now at this pick. There’s a lot of things that we need to fix, obviously. We were a 4-12 football team. We’ve addressed some in free agency on the defensive side of the ball. We’ve made some changes, but we still have a long way to go with this draft. Very, very important – Round 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 – and it’s important for us to be right.”

On bringing in a player with Scherff’s demeanor:

“When you have a guy that’s this tough on film and it just echoes every time you watch him play, every play that he plays, you see the toughness and you’re like, ‘Man, we could use a little bit more toughness.’ Not to say we weren’t tough last year. We had some guys that competed and played very, very hard, no doubt about it, but when you add another guy of his caliber, his size, his strength, his tenacity, that only makes your football team better. It’s going to help our defensive line, it’s going to help our offensive line, it’s going to help our running game, obviously, and it’s going to help our passing game.”

On why he thinks Scherff is best suited to play tackle:

“Well, he’s played left tackle. He’s proven he can play left tackle. He’s smart enough. He’s obviously athletic enough to move over to right tackle. I don’t think that will be an issue. So when you go through the process, Coach [bill] Callahan has been a line coach for a very, very long time, he sees that it ought to be a very smooth transition for him, and we trust in the fact that it will.”

On if the game is changing to where right tackles are valued enough to be selected early:

“I don’t think there’s any question about it. Offensive linemen, in general, it’s important to have the big guys up front, especially when you want to run the football. They’re tough to find, especially athletic ones. You know, there’s big bodies you can throw in there that are pretty successful and can get by, but when you have a guy that can be dominant, those guys you have to take. Those guys can play on your football team for 10, 12, 13 years at one position, or he can play left tackle if need be. He can play guard if need be, and those guys are hard to find. Brandon is a perfect fit.”

On making a draft selection with General Manager Scot McCloughan for the first time:

“It was great, very smooth. A lot of dialogue, Scot takes input from everybody. The area scout who does him, the coaching staff, the coordinators, we all had our input. Ultimately, Scot went through the due diligence, looked at a lot of players, a lot of background checks, did a lot of work, man. We appreciate that and we feel like the worked paid off. We got a heck of a player.”

On who had the final say on drafting Scherff:

“It’s the Redskins’ decision. We’re all happy with the pick. It’s in and Brandon is a Redskin and we couldn’t be happier.”

On areas where Scherff can improve:

“There’s not a college player that’s entering that doesn’t have some things to clean up. Everybody does. I just think getting used to the speed of the game. It’s going to be a heck of a difference for him. Blocking guys at Northwestern and Michigan State, it’s going to be a little bit different than blocking [Ryan] Kerrigan on Day 1 when he comes to training camp. We’ll see how he does but we feel like the type of guy that he is, he’s very competitive, No. 1. He’s diligent. He has great work ethic. For somebody to transition fast, we need him to do that. We think the character that he has, the ability that he has, it will be a smooth one. Obviously, Coach Callahan will be on him like he is on every offensive lineman. Believe me, he is going to grind on him. He’s going to make him a better player. ”

On how much Scherff’s status as a team captain at Iowa weighed in his evaluation:

“A lot. If you have a lot of guys that are ranked pretty closely, then you have a guy that is that type of leader, that type of character, it might set him apart. It takes him to the top of the class. That just plays into it. He’s a great kid, he’s a leader, he’s tough and he loves the game.”

On Scherff returning for his senior season:

“It was impressive, he wanted to be a captain and he wanted to finish his year at Iowa, and not a lot of people decide to do that. It shows what type of guy that he is. He wanted to finish what he started. He loved his teammates, he loved his coaching staff, has a lot of respect for them and that’s why he chose to stay. Luckily for us, he stayed and we got him this year.”

On Scherff’s footwork:

“His footwork is good. There’s going to be some tweaks here and there, but for the most part he’s a product that been well coached, well versed in the game of football. They do everything at Iowa, more so than a lot of teams in college football nowadays, Iowa Hawkeyes, they run conventional offense. They run power plays , they run outside zone, they run inside zone, they drop back, they throw screens, they throw the ball down the field, so you can see the transition won’t be as great for him as it would be for somebody else because he’s done a lot of these same core concepts that we have here at Washington.”

On not selecting defensive lineman Leonard Williams:

“He’s a great player, no question about it. There was a lot of discussion. There was a lot of other guys who were in the mix. I’m not going to go through names and how the grades were, but ultimately it was about taking the guy that we thought was the best fit, the best player for this football team and Brandon was it. Obviously, Leonard is a big man and a good player and I think the Jets got a good player with him.”

On McCloughan’s demeanor:

“He’s been great – very poised, very calm, not very chaotic up there. A lot of times, ‘Ah, you’ve only got three minutes to pick, hurry!’ It’s been very good, it’s been a great, smooth process. Bruce [Allen] did a nice job hiring a heck of a guy like that. You can see he’s been experienced, he’s been through this process before. He keeps everybody involved, he asks for input, ultimately it comes down to making the pick and we made a good one.”

On if speaking with Scherff at the combine was enough to feel comfortable with selecting him:

“There’s no question about it. We had a 15-minute interview and we’ve done a lot of work on him, don’t get me wrong, but the type of character that he is, talking to their coaches and getting to know him a little bit at the combine and Coach Callahan spent some time with him at the combine, there wasn’t a lot more that had to be done before the draft. ”

OL Brandon Scherff (Round 1, No. 5 Overall)

On his selection:

“I just sat there waiting for a call and my phone started vibrating and I was just absolutely ecstatic.”

On the phone call he received:

“Coach [Jay] Gruden, he said, ‘We want you to be a Redskin. How do you feel about that? ‘I said absolutely and just talked about that. I talked to Coach [bill] Callahan and then went on stage.”

On if there was any surprise in being selected by the Redskins:

“Yeah, I’m just happy. I really didn’t talk to the Redskins after the combine. But, you know, I’m happy to be here and I’m happy to be a Redskin.”

On if the team gave him any idea whether he would play tackle or guard:

“I have not heard anything yet.”

On if he visited the Redskins prior to the draft:

“I did not, no.”

On where he believes he is best suited in the NFL:

“I feel tackle or guard. Either way wherever they want me to play, I’ll do my best and I’ll jump right in and try to get that spot.”

On returning for his senior season:

“Yeah, I just got another year with [Head] Coach Kirk Ferentz, [Offensive Line Coach] Brian Ferentz and our strength coach back in Iowa City, Coach Chris Doyle. I felt like I played a lot faster, smarter, and that knee injury kind of hurt me, but I tried to play through that and just try to finish people.”

On if Offensive Line Coach Bill Callahan mentioned anything about the team’s blocking schemes:

“No, he just said, ‘We love the way you play football and we couldn’t be more happy about this decision.’”

On what ‘having a nasty demeanor’ means to him:

“I think that’s what everybody – every lineman – wants to be known for. They want to be known for tough, nasty, physical [play]. I think that just goes to show what Coach Brian Ferentz says back at the University of Iowa.”

On how he would describe his play:

“Nasty, physical, likes to finish blocks, likes to get after people.”

On if there was any NFL lineman after whom he patterns his game:

“I grew up – at Iowa, I watched Marshall Yanda play football. I got the pleasure to play with Riley Reiff next to me at left tackle – I played a little guard. Just trying to do what they do on the field and seeing how they became so successful and trying to incorporate that into my game.”

On his off-field hobbies:

“I just love to hunt and fish. That’s pretty much it.”

On playing tennis in high school:

“I was a tennis player. Freshman year, I went from track practice to tennis practice to baseball practice, all in the same day.”

On if he was a finesse or power tennis player:

"You want to do a little bit of both. People thought I was a power guy, then you come in and finesse them a little bit and catch them off guard. But you’ve got to have both of those in your game.

On how big he was as a freshman in high school:

“Playing tennis, I was 250 [lbs.]."

On his participation in track and field:

"I threw the shot put and discus."

On if he played basketball as well in high school:

"I played basketball. Yep, that is correct… All four years."

On if he was recruited to play basketball:

“No [laughter]… I had post moves, yeah, but I’d rather play football.”

On if he has earned his degree already:

"Yeah, I got it in sports studies. I want to get into coaching when it is all said and done."

 

[Brunell4MVP]

fact is, the only team they might have traded with is ATL. that was the only team picking above the NYG that might have traded to get williams. otherwise you don't get Scherff. I assume they explored it. I'm fine with the pick. did they really want to go into 2015 with tom Compton starting at RT?

today will be more interesting. Gregory, Collins, Collins, and DGB all on the board. Gregory will be gone. DBG is a very interesting option. or they could actually pick up la'el collins and move Scherff to guard and rebuild the entire right side of the line.

 

[MattFancy]

Love the Scherff pick. Sure, getting Williams would have been nice, but Scot had Scherff higher so I'm gonna default to the guy with the proven track record over some draft "expert" jabronis.

 

[MattFancy]

He is good but good chance they could have traded down and still got him.

Love how people say this. How do you know? Wasn't it thought the Giants really liked him? And if no one is giving you a good offer to move back, you're not going to make a trade just to make a trade.

Reminds me of all the draft "experts" after the Cowboys took Frederick a couple years ago. Pick was panned, but it's worked out pretty well for them.

 

[MattFancy]

Landon Collins still on the board. Any chance he makes it to 2-05? Worth the pick there?

We're actually 2.6. We alternate with the Jets every other round.

 

[MikeApf]

He is good but good chance they could have traded down and still got him.

Love how people say this. How do you know? Wasn't it thought the Giants really liked him? And if no one is giving you a good offer to move back, you're not going to make a trade just to make a trade.

Reminds me of all the draft "experts" after the Cowboys took Frederick a couple years ago. Pick was panned, but it's worked out pretty well for them.

This. It's funny that folks are saying, "Same old Redskins" for passing on L Williams and going Scherff. Actually, drafting Williams just because the media tells you to and the "public perception" would be higher is EXACTLY what the old Redskins would have done!

As Scot does have a positive track record of building teams, you just have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he took the guy he thought he was best for the team. Until he shows otherwise, I'm going to give him that benefit of the doubt. Clearly this is not a "Snyder move" but a "personnel move" and that alone should give folks some slim notion of hope...

 

[Swing 51]

Redskins fans -- complain that we don't draft OLineman year after year after year and then b*tch and moan when we take one with the first round pick.

You know when the last time I heard a bunch of Redskins fans whining that we "reached" for a player -- Ryan Kerrigan.

Let it play out. Scott McGl is a pro at player evaluation and deserves the benefit of the doubt. Just because some fans of other teams are razzing us does NOT mean it wasn't the right pick. Let it play out.

I know we haven't won in a while but jeeze ...

REALLY? i like kerrigan as much as the next guy but come on, we PASSED ON BPA JJ ####### WATT to trade down instead then took kerrigan a dozen spots too early. #### teams always draft out of need instead of BPA, like the time we passed on AP and overdrafted landry because we had clinton portis. or when we needed a CB so we passed on BPA demarcus ware and reached for stone hands carlos rogers. seriously the All Pro Team of the century is comprised of guys that went immediately after the skins "need" picks. there are countless times the BPA is right there and we pass and look like idiots a few years down the line. in 5 years someone is going to look back at this draft and laugh that we took a running game guard who cant pass protect at #5 right before all pro leonard williams lol, and we passed why exactly because we signed ricky francois and terrance knighton?! the jets have one of the best defensive lines in the league and even they were like high fiving and dancing around because williams fell to them. new GM but its the same old skins.

at folks who think they know exactly how players careers will play out on draft day.

Hey Rimez can you hook me with tonight's winning lottery numbers?

TIA

 

[MattFancy]

He is good but good chance they could have traded down and still got him.

Love how people say this. How do you know? Wasn't it thought the Giants really liked him? And if no one is giving you a good offer to move back, you're not going to make a trade just to make a trade.

Reminds me of all the draft "experts" after the Cowboys took Frederick a couple years ago. Pick was panned, but it's worked out pretty well for them.

This. It's funny that folks are saying, "Same old Redskins" for passing on L Williams and going Scherff. Actually, drafting Williams just because the media tells you to and the "public perception" would be higher is EXACTLY what the old Redskins would have done!

As Scot does have a positive track record of building teams, you just have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he took the guy he thought he was best for the team. Until he shows otherwise, I'm going to give him that benefit of the doubt. Clearly this is not a "Snyder move" but a "personnel move" and that alone should give folks some slim notion of hope...

And honestly, there was no mock I saw that didn't have Scherff somewhere in top 10-12. It's not like we took a guy that was a borderline 1st rounder at #5. We took a guy who was the consensus top OL in the draft and was a consenus top 12 guy. Is that really such a bad thing?

 

[Hang 10]

Redskins fans -- complain that we don't draft OLineman year after year after year and then b*tch and moan when we take one with the first round pick.

You know when the last time I heard a bunch of Redskins fans whining that we "reached" for a player -- Ryan Kerrigan.

Let it play out. Scott McGl is a pro at player evaluation and deserves the benefit of the doubt. Just because some fans of other teams are razzing us does NOT mean it wasn't the right pick. Let it play out.

I know we haven't won in a while but jeeze ...

REALLY? i like kerrigan as much as the next guy but come on, we PASSED ON BPA JJ ####### WATT to trade down instead then took kerrigan a dozen spots too early. #### teams always draft out of need instead of BPA, like the time we passed on AP and overdrafted landry because we had clinton portis. or when we needed a CB so we passed on BPA demarcus ware and reached for stone hands carlos rogers. seriously the All Pro Team of the century is comprised of guys that went immediately after the skins "need" picks. there are countless times the BPA is right there and we pass and look like idiots a few years down the line. in 5 years someone is going to look back at this draft and laugh that we took a running game guard who cant pass protect at #5 right before all pro leonard williams lol, and we passed why exactly because we signed ricky francois and terrance knighton?! the jets have one of the best defensive lines in the league and even they were like high fiving and dancing around because williams fell to them. new GM but its the same old skins.

at folks who think they know exactly how players careers will play out on draft day.

Hey Rimez can you hook me with tonight's winning lottery numbers?

TIA

He'll be able to tell you tonight's #'s tomorrow.

 

[deancheated]

this is going to be huge for Alfred Morris. He is so under valued. Despite a crappy line, he's been one of the top 3 or 4 most productive RBs since he's entered the league. Now we are addressing that line, which means Morris could be in for a career year. Mo is such a tough runner, always pushes the pile forward. And now he might not have to shed the first guy off at the line of scrimage (or behind it) on every other rushing attempt.

And the thought of getting a 2nd OL in the 2nd round or rolling the dice with Gregory has me excited!

 

[Hang 10]

3 OT's picked in the first 13 picks. There was noway they were going to be able to trade down and get their guy.

That's not entirely the point. There is OL help available still. There will be in the second round too.

Wasn't that first point you made? That he was a good pick but they could have got him later?

Supposedly he was the 3rd ranked guy on their board. The first 2 guys got picked. I guess I'll give the new GM the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah it was but that doesn't mean trading down and acquiring addition picks for our team wasn't still the correct move. He likely would have been gone at 9 though I agree with you. Sometimes there isn't a trade opportunity either.

I got badgered for criticizing the Amerson pick right after it is made a few years ago, Skins fans are homers to a fault.

Yeah, but is it really a "homer move" just to give Scott M the benefit of the doubt on the pick. I mean, I don't hear anyone saying that Scherff is gonna transform the Redskins into a 12 win team this year.

Has it gotten to the point where if you DON'T lay into the Redskins for being idiots for every move then you are a "homer." You ought to be able to give the new GM the benefit of the doubt without being labelled irrational for doing it.

No, I actually like the player and the pick. Just saying, that you can't expect to come in here and say something negative about the draft without someone defending the team.

You got #### a couple years ago about the Amerson pick for the exact same reason milkman did. You don't have to like the pick but it's annoying when people mention imaginary trade down scenarios.

 

[MikeApf]

He is good but good chance they could have traded down and still got him.

Love how people say this. How do you know? Wasn't it thought the Giants really liked him? And if no one is giving you a good offer to move back, you're not going to make a trade just to make a trade.

Reminds me of all the draft "experts" after the Cowboys took Frederick a couple years ago. Pick was panned, but it's worked out pretty well for them.

This. It's funny that folks are saying, "Same old Redskins" for passing on L Williams and going Scherff. Actually, drafting Williams just because the media tells you to and the "public perception" would be higher is EXACTLY what the old Redskins would have done!

As Scot does have a positive track record of building teams, you just have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he took the guy he thought he was best for the team. Until he shows otherwise, I'm going to give him that benefit of the doubt. Clearly this is not a "Snyder move" but a "personnel move" and that alone should give folks some slim notion of hope...

And honestly, there was no mock I saw that didn't have Scherff somewhere in top 10-12. It's not like we took a guy that was a borderline 1st rounder at #5. We took a guy who was the consensus top OL in the draft and was a consenus top 12 guy. Is that really such a bad thing?

Almost every mock I saw had him at # 9...apparently the Giants were locked in.

Yeah, I guess because we took a guy four picks below where he was "projected" that makes us a bunch of dopes.

I will say, though, based on that John Gruden interview that was posted above, it does appear that "need" and "prior free agent moves" did play into our thinking...that OL was a greater need than DL at this point.

I think it is possible that L Williams turns out to be a great player but that Schreff turns out to be a great player as well. Like you say, they are both "top 10"...

 

[deancheated]

We were originally projected to get Gregory at 1.5. How about we grab him at 2.6 and everyone can shut up and be happy.

 

[Hang 10]

We were originally projected to get Gregory at 1.5. How about we grab him at 2.6 and everyone can shut up and be happy.

I'm definitely intrigued with his talent but what are the alleged red flags on this guy? Is he worth the risk?

I would probably be good with them taking the best DB available or another Olineman would be good too.

 

[MattFancy]

I'm fine with either Gregory, Collins or Fisher in the 2nd. I really do think this is where we trade down however.

 

[dehaven123]

We were originally projected to get Gregory at 1.5. How about we grab him at 2.6 and everyone can shut up and be happy.

I'm definitely intrigued with his talent but what are the alleged red flags on this guy? Is he worth the risk?

I would probably be good with them taking the best DB available or another Olineman would be good too.

 something like this list of considerations would work for me, in no particular order.

gregory(PR), l collins(T), or maybe randall(S) or collins(S)...

 

[MattFancy]

We were originally projected to get Gregory at 1.5. How about we grab him at 2.6 and everyone can shut up and be happy.

I'm definitely intrigued with his talent but what are the alleged red flags on this guy? Is he worth the risk?

I would probably be good with them taking the best DB available or another Olineman would be good too.

 something like this list of considerations would work for me, in no particular order.

gregory(PR), l collins(T), or maybe randall(S) or collins(S)...

Collins from LSU could be a big risk since he's involved in that murder case of his ex-GF. No details about how involved he may or may not be, but teams have taken him off their draft boards completely. If we were going to draft him, I'd bet we could get him way later than the 2nd.

 

[Swing 51]

Did you guys hear their is a new Scherff in DC?

Too soon?

 

[deancheated]

I'm fine with either Gregory, Collins or Fisher in the 2nd. I really do think this is where we trade down however.

I would love any of those three but will be bummed if we trade down here. Too many impact players to pass on,

 

[MattFancy]

I'm fine with either Gregory, Collins or Fisher in the 2nd. I really do think this is where we trade down however.

I would love any of those three but will be bummed if we trade down here. Too many impact players to pass on,

I think that's the point of trading down though. There seems to be plenty of value still in the 2nd. I don't think they should trade out of it completely, but if they can get down to say the middle of the 2nd and still get an impact guy, I'd be okay with that.

 

[Marvelous]

Thinking over some of McCloughan's comments prior to the draft, he definitely said the team will be bigger after the draft.

Sounds like he is definitely looking at the bigger positions: OL, DL, OLB, maybe TE.

I am pretty sure they will take a RB at some point since the draft is supposed to be deep at RB and we have a need there.

 

[Hang 10]

If they want to get bigger, I'd think they'd probably pass on Gregory, right? He's only 235.

 

[Milkman]

A couple guys that are close to BPA right now and fill a need. Well Rowe does.

Eric Rowe CB Utah - trade down and grab him

Ali Marpet OT Hobart - Will be funny if he's still there considering who we took at #5 He reminds me of Bitonio the steal of the draft last year.

 

[dmac37]

this is going to be huge for Alfred Morris. He is so under valued. Despite a crappy line, he's been one of the top 3 or 4 most productive RBs since he's entered the league. Now we are addressing that line, which means Morris could be in for a career year. Mo is such a tough runner, always pushes the pile forward. And now he might not have to shed the first guy off at the line of scrimage (or behind it) on every other rushing attempt.

And the thought of getting a 2nd OL in the 2nd round or rolling the dice with Gregory has me excited!

Plus the addition of Callahan I think Alf could really thrive this year

 

[John Paul]

Yep, Marpet: 2015's Bitonio. My fingers are crossed. Our OL will have come a long way with Scherff at RT and Marpet at LG...

 

[MattFancy]

From NFL.com

Washington Redskins

Draft pick: OL Brandon Scherff (No. 5 overall)
Grade: C+
The skinny: GM Scot McCloughan is one of the best evaluators in the league, but Scherff was a big reach, even if he lives up to his potential. Failing to trade down and passing on the best player in the draft (Leonard Williams) is going to be something the team might regret, even if Scherff becomes a top-flight tackle or guard.

Can someone make sense of this for me:

They say Scot is one of the best talent evaluators

Scherff is reach, even though he could live up to his potential

We failed to trade down, even though no one but our FO knows if we had any viable offers

Even if Scherff becomes one of the best players at his position, we'll still regret not taking Williams

And also, who were we going to trade down with and still get Scherff, who the Giants were prepared to take at #9?

Jets: Why would they want to move up 1 pick?

Bears: Seemed like they really wanted White and knew they had a good chance at #7

Falcons: They wanted a pass rusher and with Williams, Beasley and Dupree still on the board with the Skins pick, they knew they were assured of one of the three.

So again, how would the Skins been able to trade down and still get Scherff before the Giants at #9?

 

[Marvelous]

Here is another thought I had: The Redskins pretty much rebuilt their defensive line with value-priced free agents. They were able to sign DL through free agency under Gibbs and Shanahan as well. But every year, the OL is a big weakness and every year, the value-priced free agents are not starters. So the conclusion is that there must be value in drafting OL because it is the cheapest way to get potentially decent talent.

 

[Marvelous]

From NFL.com

Washington Redskins

Draft pick: OL Brandon Scherff (No. 5 overall)

Grade: C+

The skinny: GM Scot McCloughan is one of the best evaluators in the league, but Scherff was a big reach, even if he lives up to his potential. Failing to trade down and passing on the best player in the draft (Leonard Williams) is going to be something the team might regret, even if Scherff becomes a top-flight tackle or guard.

Can someone make sense of this for me:

They say Scot is one of the best talent evaluators

Scherff is reach, even though he could live up to his potential

We failed to trade down, even though no one but our FO knows if we had any viable offers

Even if Scherff becomes one of the best players at his position, we'll still regret not taking Williams

And also, who were we going to trade down with and still get Scherff, who the Giants were prepared to take at #9?

Jets: Why would they want to move up 1 pick?

Bears: Seemed like they really wanted White and knew they had a good chance at #7

Falcons: They wanted a pass rusher and with Williams, Beasley and Dupree still on the board with the Skins pick, they knew they were assured of one of the three.

So again, how would the Skins been able to trade down and still get Scherff before the Giants at #9?

Grading drafts the day after is really pretty ridiculous. They can only grade teams by comparing the player selected to where he was projected in mock drafts, which are based mostly by people who don't scout football players. Even the criticisms on this board are based on where mock drafts projected Scherff. It is these types of projections that made Morgan Moses a steal in the 3rd round last year. And at this point, no one knows if Moses will develop into a starting player.

 

[Hang 10]

From NFL.com

Washington Redskins

Draft pick: OL Brandon Scherff (No. 5 overall)

Grade: C+

The skinny: GM Scot McCloughan is one of the best evaluators in the league, but Scherff was a big reach, even if he lives up to his potential. Failing to trade down and passing on the best player in the draft (Leonard Williams) is going to be something the team might regret, even if Scherff becomes a top-flight tackle or guard.

Can someone make sense of this for me:

They say Scot is one of the best talent evaluators

Scherff is reach, even though he could live up to his potential

We failed to trade down, even though no one but our FO knows if we had any viable offers

Even if Scherff becomes one of the best players at his position, we'll still regret not taking Williams

And also, who were we going to trade down with and still get Scherff, who the Giants were prepared to take at #9?

Jets: Why would they want to move up 1 pick?

Bears: Seemed like they really wanted White and knew they had a good chance at #7

Falcons: They wanted a pass rusher and with Williams, Beasley and Dupree still on the board with the Skins pick, they knew they were assured of one of the three.

So again, how would the Skins been able to trade down and still get Scherff before the Giants at #9?

I think the only chance to trade down was for Fowler to fall and trade with Atlanta. That was it.

Also, it's getting a bit tiring hearing about Williams being the best player in the draft. According to who? Because last night he was the 6th player taken. He wasn't even the first player on defense selected.

 

[MattFancy]

From NFL.com

Washington Redskins

Draft pick: OL Brandon Scherff (No. 5 overall)

Grade: C+

The skinny: GM Scot McCloughan is one of the best evaluators in the league, but Scherff was a big reach, even if he lives up to his potential. Failing to trade down and passing on the best player in the draft (Leonard Williams) is going to be something the team might regret, even if Scherff becomes a top-flight tackle or guard.

Can someone make sense of this for me:

They say Scot is one of the best talent evaluators

Scherff is reach, even though he could live up to his potential

We failed to trade down, even though no one but our FO knows if we had any viable offers

Even if Scherff becomes one of the best players at his position, we'll still regret not taking Williams

And also, who were we going to trade down with and still get Scherff, who the Giants were prepared to take at #9?

Jets: Why would they want to move up 1 pick?

Bears: Seemed like they really wanted White and knew they had a good chance at #7

Falcons: They wanted a pass rusher and with Williams, Beasley and Dupree still on the board with the Skins pick, they knew they were assured of one of the three.

So again, how would the Skins been able to trade down and still get Scherff before the Giants at #9?

I think the only chance to trade down was for Fowler to fall and trade with Atlanta. That was it.

Also, it's getting a bit tiring hearing about Williams being the best player in the draft. According to who? Because last night he was the 6th player taken. He wasn't even the first player on defense selected.

Not only that, but if he was the best player in the draft, don't you think there would have been some substanial offers for him when we were on the clock? And it's not like the teams in front of us, outside of Tampa, couldn't have used him either.

 

[Hang 10]

From NFL.com

Washington Redskins

Draft pick: OL Brandon Scherff (No. 5 overall)

Grade: C+

The skinny: GM Scot McCloughan is one of the best evaluators in the league, but Scherff was a big reach, even if he lives up to his potential. Failing to trade down and passing on the best player in the draft (Leonard Williams) is going to be something the team might regret, even if Scherff becomes a top-flight tackle or guard.

Can someone make sense of this for me:

They say Scot is one of the best talent evaluators

Scherff is reach, even though he could live up to his potential

We failed to trade down, even though no one but our FO knows if we had any viable offers

Even if Scherff becomes one of the best players at his position, we'll still regret not taking Williams

And also, who were we going to trade down with and still get Scherff, who the Giants were prepared to take at #9?

Jets: Why would they want to move up 1 pick?

Bears: Seemed like they really wanted White and knew they had a good chance at #7

Falcons: They wanted a pass rusher and with Williams, Beasley and Dupree still on the board with the Skins pick, they knew they were assured of one of the three.

So again, how would the Skins been able to trade down and still get Scherff before the Giants at #9?

I think the only chance to trade down was for Fowler to fall and trade with Atlanta. That was it.

Also, it's getting a bit tiring hearing about Williams being the best player in the draft. According to who? Because last night he was the 6th player taken. He wasn't even the first player on defense selected.

Not only that, but if he was the best player in the draft, don't you think there would have been some substanial offers for him when we were on the clock? And it's not like the teams in front of us, outside of Tampa, couldn't have used him either.

Watching the NFL network they made point to mention how so few trades meant that teams didn't view many prospects much higher than each other. I wonder how many draft boards Williams was at the top of.

 

[MattFancy]

From NFL.com

Washington Redskins

Draft pick: OL Brandon Scherff (No. 5 overall)

Grade: C+

The skinny: GM Scot McCloughan is one of the best evaluators in the league, but Scherff was a big reach, even if he lives up to his potential. Failing to trade down and passing on the best player in the draft (Leonard Williams) is going to be something the team might regret, even if Scherff becomes a top-flight tackle or guard.

Can someone make sense of this for me:

They say Scot is one of the best talent evaluators

Scherff is reach, even though he could live up to his potential

We failed to trade down, even though no one but our FO knows if we had any viable offers

Even if Scherff becomes one of the best players at his position, we'll still regret not taking Williams

And also, who were we going to trade down with and still get Scherff, who the Giants were prepared to take at #9?

Jets: Why would they want to move up 1 pick?

Bears: Seemed like they really wanted White and knew they had a good chance at #7

Falcons: They wanted a pass rusher and with Williams, Beasley and Dupree still on the board with the Skins pick, they knew they were assured of one of the three.

So again, how would the Skins been able to trade down and still get Scherff before the Giants at #9?

I think the only chance to trade down was for Fowler to fall and trade with Atlanta. That was it.

Also, it's getting a bit tiring hearing about Williams being the best player in the draft. According to who? Because last night he was the 6th player taken. He wasn't even the first player on defense selected.

Not only that, but if he was the best player in the draft, don't you think there would have been some substanial offers for him when we were on the clock? And it's not like the teams in front of us, outside of Tampa, couldn't have used him either.

Watching the NFL network they made point to mention how so few trades meant that teams didn't view many prospects much higher than each other. I wonder how many draft boards Williams was at the top of.

No idea. Thought I read something this morning that the Giants were really hoping for Scherff at #9, but didn't think he would last that long. So obviously team boards looked different than the draft experts. No surprise.