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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2015 Offseason Thread (2 Viewers)

I was cautiously optimistic that the defense would be able to keep this team competitive. With the injuries they've sustained so far throughout the preseason, I no longer think that is possible.

This is a 4-win (at best) team right now. They'll be lucky to go 1-5 in their division, lucky to split @NYJ or TB at home, and I truly don't see them beating the effing Bears either but that's the only other "winnable" game on their schedule.

 
The schedule certainly doesn't look easy. Maybe the Bucs at home is winnable, but we thought the same last year.

Very possible they start 0-4: vs. Dolphins, vs. Rams, @Giants, vs. Eagles.

They'll inevitably win a game or 2 they have no business winning like always.

My prediction is we'll win 1 game too many that prevents us from getting a top QB.

 
The schedule certainly doesn't look easy. Maybe the Bucs at home is winnable, but we thought the same last year.

Very possible they start 0-4: vs. Dolphins, vs. Rams, @Giants, vs. Eagles.

They'll inevitably win a game or 2 they have no business winning like always.

My prediction is we'll win 1 game too many that prevents us from getting a top QB.
:lmao: sadly this is exactly how it will happen.

 
Put me in the camp that thinks we'll have less wins this year than last year.

Snyder, despite being an impish Napoleonic *******, has some upside. He'll spend money. His downfall is his meddling. Maybe he'll step back even more in the future (you're forgetting that he is actually currently less involved than he used to be).

Our coach, might be an NFL coach. But we'll never know as long as RG3 is our QB because they're a complete mismatch.

RG3 is not, nor never will be, a pocket QB. We need a pocket QB for Gruden.

We're picking early in 2016 imo. Top 5.
What I still can't understand is why Gruden came here knowing RG3 wasn't a fit for his offense. He had to have known in the interview that the team would push hard for Griffin getting the starting job and trying to develop him. And yes, I know there's only 32 jobs in the NFL. But if you knew it wasn't going to be a good fit from the beginning, why do it?
money and to put Head Coach on his resume and to get head coaching experience basically.
They seriously overpaid and gave him a 5-year guaranteed contract. Even in a situation where you're destined to fail, you take that job.
Absolutely true. Also, via his brother, Jay has access to plenty of NFL people that another young up-and-coming coaching candidate might not (what I mean by that is that because he's Jon's brother, NFL folks might speak more candidly to him about the ramifications of taking the Snyder offer - as in: 'Take the money - even if things go to ####, that's the M.O. of that franchise. No one is going to blame you for either taking the money, or failing, because by now, when it comes to Snyder, it's expected.You'll get another chance with nothing held against you'.

Matt, I know it's frustrating. A couple of things I want to mention, though I know it's not going to help the situation: First, the way I understand it, the 'usual, customary and reasonable' way that a properly functioning NFL Franchise hires a HC is based off a series of interviews where the candidate sells himself based on his X's and O's knowledge, his organizational system, and his ability to lead and motivate men. It's a very big deal to hire a new coach, because, theoretically the on-field product undergoes a complete overhaul as a natural process of the new HC installing 'his stuff'. Almost never is the candidate asked or expected to mold his system around the existing players on the Roster - the expectation is for him, in collaboration with the GM, to evaluate what he has, keep what fits his system, and jettison what doesn't. That's a GM's primary responsibility: get the Coach the players he feels he needs to run his system, then judge the coach based on the results...

...there was a time, not long ago, that I had a window into the goings-on at Redskins park, and I tried to share that with everyone. What was staring back at me was something so shockingly dysfunctional...and there were plenty here who didn't want to believe what I was reporting, but pretty much all of it has been proven out over time. Although I don't have nearly that access now, based on past experience, I can comfortably speculate that when Snyder/Allen interviewed Gruden, they were (correctly, IMO) wowed by his qualifications, which show a candidate worthy to at least receive a shot...but I'd bet dollars to donuts that they didn't ask him directly if he could 'win with Griffin' - either because they don't get the basic idea that coaches win with systems more often than they win with players, and Snyder is so invested/enamored with Griffin he couldn't conceive that Griffin was the problem, so the possibility didn't occur to him that a quality HC coudn't just 'coach Griffin up' - or, because on some level they learned via getting burned in the past, that if they asked that question, he might turn down the job, because in the majority of HC hirings, that's just not how it's done. Also, there wasn't a real GM in place to evaluate whether Gruden's system was one in which Griffin had a chance to succeed. I'd bet the same dollars to donuts that Gruden came in here expecting to be able to evaluate the roster, Griffin included, and go through the usual process of keeping and culling, and ultimately putting the players on the field that he felt could execute his system the best...and at some point word came down from above that Griffin being the starting QB, was non-negotiable. If you go back and look, there's definitely a point at which Gruden is full of vim and vigor, bouyancy and optimism, and a point where frustration begins to set in. I think that's the unfortunate, grim reality of our team under Snyder. Hopefully, with the hiring of McCloughan, we're moving away from that, and into an era of relative normalcy. We can only hope..

I think what we're seeing now is a direct result of McCloughan having some influence on this whole process, and while it's painful in the short-term, it may...may, yield some long-term benefits. I think McCloughan is shooting straight with Snyder that A: Griffin was never a great QB, but rather a great athlete playing the QB position, B: post-knee, Griffin is no longer a great athlete, C: he doesn't have the football IQ to become a great QB minus the athleticism that made him special, and D: he's not a good fit for Gruden's system. The best way for McCloughan (working with Gruden, who he probably believes deserves a fair shot before they pull the plug), is by trotting Griffin out onto the field and asking him to do the kind of things a 'Gruden-system' QB needs to be able to do for the system to have a chance to succeed. Now that the draft picks we sacrificed are in the rear-view mirror, and because he's being told these things by a proven, real-life, honest-to-goodness football man, this may be the time that Snyder is finally willing to listen. We'll find out soon enough!

 
I don't blame Snyder for ALL that is wrong with the Skins. Professional sports teams can win in spite of bad ownership. But its very clear that there is a culture of dysfunction, ineptitude, and a whole host of other negatives within this franchise. That starts squarely at the top. Even if we accept (which I don't entirely) that he "checked out of that role a while back," which I assume means meddling in day to day football decisions there are still PR missteps after missteps and other largely self induced drama that plagues the Redskins like few other professional sports teams. Thats why I said its not just the losing. This is a direct reflection of the organizational culture which again starts at the top.

Obviously the hiring of Mcloughan is a step in the right direction. Probably 1 of 2 major decisions by Snyder that I've agreed with over the 16 years of his ownership. And I'm hopeful that Snyder has the patience and discipline to let him do his job the right way. And I'm also hopeful that Snyder can continue to grow as an owner and make better decisions than his track record suggests he will make in the future.

But anyone who thinks he is just an "easy scapegoat" and not at the root of the dysfunction that this team has endured over the entire course of his ownership is someone that I will just have to agree to disagree with.

ETA- quote fail but point made.

 
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dhockster said:
VaTerp said:
I have been a loyal fan of this franchise since I was 4 years old and watched my first Super Bowl in January 1983. A year later I was allowed to name our new family dog and I chose the name, "Riggins." I remember watching and celebrating Super Bowls 22 and 26 like they were yesterday. And since 1992 I've watched nearly every minute of every game. I've gotten into fights, or near fights, over the years in college and at opposing teams stadiums defending the team/fanbase. I cried watching Sean Taylor's funeral.

But I've had enough. I will never stop being a fan. I will likely always watch on Sundays and even occasionally attend a few games in person. But I can no longer emotionally invest in the Washington Redskins.

I hate the owner. I hate the team president. I hate the head coach. I hate the starting QB. I don't hate the new GM yet. But it may just be a matter of time before the wretched stench that is this franchise drags him down as well. Its not just the losing. Its the constant manufactured and self destructive drama that this franchise does like no other. Oh...and I forgot to mention. I am quickly beginning to hate a very large percentage of the fanbase too.

I hope I live long enough to see a return to the glory days. Or at least respectability. But I'm not holding my breathe

Rant...over.
As an Eagles fan I understand frustration with a franchise. But I don't think I have ever felt this bad about my team. I really do feel for you Redskins fans as you are a pretty knowledgeable, stand-up group of people. I truly hope the Redskins get rid of Snyder, but maybe not until after the Eagles win a Super Bowl (that may be a long time coming). I can't say I feel the same way about the Cowboys owner. I think I hope he lives to be 150.
Hard to get rid of a guy who owns the team. The only thing that could accomplish that is some scandal. Plus I'm long past the days of blaming him for all that's wrong with the Skins. He's checked out of that role a while back IMO. He's an easy scapegoat for some though.
I obviously meant that something happens that causes Snyder not to own the team. You are correct that you can't get rid of him if he does not want to go. As to him not being involved anymore, my big question would be, if what everyone is saying is correct that Griffin is not Gruden's type of QB, who is forcing him to play Griffin? I don't think it is the new GM as he has no skin in RGIII. The only other person would be Snyder. So even though he may be out of most of the decision making process, he still can just jump in on one item and be a major disruption to the coach and team. Plus if Gruden is indeed a bad Head Coach, which seems a possibility right now, who hired him? Yep, the owner did. In my mind Snyder is still a major factor in the skins current woes by hiring a bad GM (Allen), hiring a potentially bad head coach (Gruden), and making the head coach play a QB who doesn't fit his system. Other than that, everything is running great in DC

 
dhockster said:
VaTerp said:
I have been a loyal fan of this franchise since I was 4 years old and watched my first Super Bowl in January 1983. A year later I was allowed to name our new family dog and I chose the name, "Riggins." I remember watching and celebrating Super Bowls 22 and 26 like they were yesterday. And since 1992 I've watched nearly every minute of every game. I've gotten into fights, or near fights, over the years in college and at opposing teams stadiums defending the team/fanbase. I cried watching Sean Taylor's funeral.

But I've had enough. I will never stop being a fan. I will likely always watch on Sundays and even occasionally attend a few games in person. But I can no longer emotionally invest in the Washington Redskins.

I hate the owner. I hate the team president. I hate the head coach. I hate the starting QB. I don't hate the new GM yet. But it may just be a matter of time before the wretched stench that is this franchise drags him down as well. Its not just the losing. Its the constant manufactured and self destructive drama that this franchise does like no other. Oh...and I forgot to mention. I am quickly beginning to hate a very large percentage of the fanbase too.

I hope I live long enough to see a return to the glory days. Or at least respectability. But I'm not holding my breathe

Rant...over.
As an Eagles fan I understand frustration with a franchise. But I don't think I have ever felt this bad about my team. I really do feel for you Redskins fans as you are a pretty knowledgeable, stand-up group of people. I truly hope the Redskins get rid of Snyder, but maybe not until after the Eagles win a Super Bowl (that may be a long time coming). I can't say I feel the same way about the Cowboys owner. I think I hope he lives to be 150.
Hard to get rid of a guy who owns the team. The only thing that could accomplish that is some scandal. Plus I'm long past the days of blaming him for all that's wrong with the Skins. He's checked out of that role a while back IMO. He's an easy scapegoat for some though.
I obviously meant that something happens that causes Snyder not to own the team. You are correct that you can't get rid of him if he does not want to go. As to him not being involved anymore, my big question would be, if what everyone is saying is correct that Griffin is not Gruden's type of QB, who is forcing him to play Griffin? I don't think it is the new GM as he has no skin in RGIII. The only other person would be Snyder. So even though he may be out of most of the decision making process, he still can just jump in on one item and be a major disruption to the coach and team. Plus if Gruden is indeed a bad Head Coach, which seems a possibility right now, who hired him? Yep, the owner did. In my mind Snyder is still a major factor in the skins current woes by hiring a bad GM (Allen), hiring a potentially bad head coach (Gruden), and making the head coach play a QB who doesn't fit his system. Other than that, everything is running great in DC
Snyder is of course still involved. It's on a limited scale compared to what he did with Cerrato. But he's still behind the scenes. NO, and I mean NO, coach would look at last year then come out in February and say RG3 was the starter for 2015. But Gruden did. You think that came from Gruden? No way. That was Snyder and Allen.

The conversation was probably simple ...

Dan/Bruce - "Jay, when we hired you, you said you could work with Griffin and make him better."

Jay - "But he's worse than I though Dan".

Dan/Bruce - "It's what we hired you to do. He's the starter, so figure it out".

End of discussion.

Snyder may not care about the other 50 players, but you can bet your ### he's the cog behind RG3 starting and still starting. McCloughan probably didn't care either way. He's smart enough to know the QB of the future probably isn't on the roster, so what does he care for 1 year.

And frankly we probably shouldn't either. This is a 4-12 team. Just keep building depth and talent throughout the roster. In 2-4 years we may see a return on those moves and be a legit team again.

 
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Brunell4MVP said:
dhockster said:
dhockster said:
VaTerp said:
I have been a loyal fan of this franchise since I was 4 years old and watched my first Super Bowl in January 1983. A year later I was allowed to name our new family dog and I chose the name, "Riggins." I remember watching and celebrating Super Bowls 22 and 26 like they were yesterday. And since 1992 I've watched nearly every minute of every game. I've gotten into fights, or near fights, over the years in college and at opposing teams stadiums defending the team/fanbase. I cried watching Sean Taylor's funeral.

But I've had enough. I will never stop being a fan. I will likely always watch on Sundays and even occasionally attend a few games in person. But I can no longer emotionally invest in the Washington Redskins.

I hate the owner. I hate the team president. I hate the head coach. I hate the starting QB. I don't hate the new GM yet. But it may just be a matter of time before the wretched stench that is this franchise drags him down as well. Its not just the losing. Its the constant manufactured and self destructive drama that this franchise does like no other. Oh...and I forgot to mention. I am quickly beginning to hate a very large percentage of the fanbase too.

I hope I live long enough to see a return to the glory days. Or at least respectability. But I'm not holding my breathe

Rant...over.
As an Eagles fan I understand frustration with a franchise. But I don't think I have ever felt this bad about my team. I really do feel for you Redskins fans as you are a pretty knowledgeable, stand-up group of people. I truly hope the Redskins get rid of Snyder, but maybe not until after the Eagles win a Super Bowl (that may be a long time coming). I can't say I feel the same way about the Cowboys owner. I think I hope he lives to be 150.
Hard to get rid of a guy who owns the team. The only thing that could accomplish that is some scandal. Plus I'm long past the days of blaming him for all that's wrong with the Skins. He's checked out of that role a while back IMO. He's an easy scapegoat for some though.
I obviously meant that something happens that causes Snyder not to own the team. You are correct that you can't get rid of him if he does not want to go. As to him not being involved anymore, my big question would be, if what everyone is saying is correct that Griffin is not Gruden's type of QB, who is forcing him to play Griffin? I don't think it is the new GM as he has no skin in RGIII. The only other person would be Snyder. So even though he may be out of most of the decision making process, he still can just jump in on one item and be a major disruption to the coach and team. Plus if Gruden is indeed a bad Head Coach, which seems a possibility right now, who hired him? Yep, the owner did. In my mind Snyder is still a major factor in the skins current woes by hiring a bad GM (Allen), hiring a potentially bad head coach (Gruden), and making the head coach play a QB who doesn't fit his system. Other than that, everything is running great in DC
Snyder is of course still involved. It's on a limited scale compared to what he did with Cerrato. But he's still behind the scenes. NO, and I mean NO, coach would look at last year then come out in February and say RG3 was the starter for 2015. But Gruden did. You think that came from Gruden? No way. That was Snyder and Allen.

The conversation was probably simple ...

Dan/Bruce - "Jay, when we hired you, we assumed you could work with Griffin and make him better."

Jay - "But he's worse than I though Dan".

Dan/Bruce - "It's what we hired you to do. He's the starter, so figure it out".

End of discussion.

Snyder may not care about the other 50 players, but you can bet your ### he's the cog behind RG3 starting and still starting. McCloughan probably didn't care either way. He's smart enough to know the QB of the future probably isn't on the roster, so what does he care for 1 year.

And frankly we probably shouldn't either. This is a 4-12 team. Just keep building depth and talent throughout the roster. In 2-4 years we may see a return on those moves and be a legit team again.
FYP, only to show what I think was the more likely conversation. Otherwise, I think that conversation is probably spot-on...unfortunately.

 
Brunell4MVP said:
dhockster said:
dhockster said:
VaTerp said:
I have been a loyal fan of this franchise since I was 4 years old and watched my first Super Bowl in January 1983. A year later I was allowed to name our new family dog and I chose the name, "Riggins." I remember watching and celebrating Super Bowls 22 and 26 like they were yesterday. And since 1992 I've watched nearly every minute of every game. I've gotten into fights, or near fights, over the years in college and at opposing teams stadiums defending the team/fanbase. I cried watching Sean Taylor's funeral.

But I've had enough. I will never stop being a fan. I will likely always watch on Sundays and even occasionally attend a few games in person. But I can no longer emotionally invest in the Washington Redskins.

I hate the owner. I hate the team president. I hate the head coach. I hate the starting QB. I don't hate the new GM yet. But it may just be a matter of time before the wretched stench that is this franchise drags him down as well. Its not just the losing. Its the constant manufactured and self destructive drama that this franchise does like no other. Oh...and I forgot to mention. I am quickly beginning to hate a very large percentage of the fanbase too.

I hope I live long enough to see a return to the glory days. Or at least respectability. But I'm not holding my breathe

Rant...over.
As an Eagles fan I understand frustration with a franchise. But I don't think I have ever felt this bad about my team. I really do feel for you Redskins fans as you are a pretty knowledgeable, stand-up group of people. I truly hope the Redskins get rid of Snyder, but maybe not until after the Eagles win a Super Bowl (that may be a long time coming). I can't say I feel the same way about the Cowboys owner. I think I hope he lives to be 150.
Hard to get rid of a guy who owns the team. The only thing that could accomplish that is some scandal. Plus I'm long past the days of blaming him for all that's wrong with the Skins. He's checked out of that role a while back IMO. He's an easy scapegoat for some though.
I obviously meant that something happens that causes Snyder not to own the team. You are correct that you can't get rid of him if he does not want to go. As to him not being involved anymore, my big question would be, if what everyone is saying is correct that Griffin is not Gruden's type of QB, who is forcing him to play Griffin? I don't think it is the new GM as he has no skin in RGIII. The only other person would be Snyder. So even though he may be out of most of the decision making process, he still can just jump in on one item and be a major disruption to the coach and team. Plus if Gruden is indeed a bad Head Coach, which seems a possibility right now, who hired him? Yep, the owner did. In my mind Snyder is still a major factor in the skins current woes by hiring a bad GM (Allen), hiring a potentially bad head coach (Gruden), and making the head coach play a QB who doesn't fit his system. Other than that, everything is running great in DC
Snyder is of course still involved. It's on a limited scale compared to what he did with Cerrato. But he's still behind the scenes. NO, and I mean NO, coach would look at last year then come out in February and say RG3 was the starter for 2015. But Gruden did. You think that came from Gruden? No way. That was Snyder and Allen.

The conversation was probably simple ...

Dan/Bruce - "Jay, when we hired you, we assumed you could work with Griffin and make him better."

Jay - "But he's worse than I though Dan".

Dan/Bruce - "It's what we hired you to do. He's the starter, so figure it out".

End of discussion.

Snyder may not care about the other 50 players, but you can bet your ### he's the cog behind RG3 starting and still starting. McCloughan probably didn't care either way. He's smart enough to know the QB of the future probably isn't on the roster, so what does he care for 1 year.

And frankly we probably shouldn't either. This is a 4-12 team. Just keep building depth and talent throughout the roster. In 2-4 years we may see a return on those moves and be a legit team again.
FYP, only to show what I think was the more likely conversation. Otherwise, I think that conversation is probably spot-on...unfortunately.
Don't forget that Gruden was Allen's hire. I imagine he pushed them pretty hard
 
To be honest, up until Gruden naming RG3 starter in Feb, I had no doubt Snyder had very little in any major football decisions in regards to players.

Can you see Snyder calling Gruden in the middle of last year and saying "Jay, I think it's time to go with Colt and see what he can do"? Hell no. That single event told me (at the time) that Gruden had some juice in this organization and was able to call his own shots. There's almost zero chance in my mind that Snyder would ever want Colt McCoy in over RG3 or Cousins. If Colt doesn't get hurt, he probably finishes the season and we don't see RG3 take meaningful snaps for a long time. Does that sound like a Snyder move?

But then the open competition ended before it even started and I was left thinking "hmmm, maybe Snyder is saying something now". Or it could more likely be GMSM. SM wants to see what he has in RG3, if he's in play for the future or even as a tradable asset. It makes more sense to me that way versus Snyder seemingly sitting in the background all this time and in Feb deciding to overrule and say something.

 
To be honest, up until Gruden naming RG3 starter in Feb, I had no doubt Snyder had very little in any major football decisions in regards to players.

Can you see Snyder calling Gruden in the middle of last year and saying "Jay, I think it's time to go with Colt and see what he can do"? Hell no. That single event told me (at the time) that Gruden had some juice in this organization and was able to call his own shots. There's almost zero chance in my mind that Snyder would ever want Colt McCoy in over RG3 or Cousins. If Colt doesn't get hurt, he probably finishes the season and we don't see RG3 take meaningful snaps for a long time. Does that sound like a Snyder move?

But then the open competition ended before it even started and I was left thinking "hmmm, maybe Snyder is saying something now". Or it could more likely be GMSM. SM wants to see what he has in RG3, if he's in play for the future or even as a tradable asset. It makes more sense to me that way versus Snyder seemingly sitting in the background all this time and in Feb deciding to overrule and say something.
i think folks are overthinking it. They named him the starter since they picked up his option. No qb controversy, just want to give him one last shot and see if they will be able to get anything out of their investment.

 
To be honest, up until Gruden naming RG3 starter in Feb, I had no doubt Snyder had very little in any major football decisions in regards to players.

Can you see Snyder calling Gruden in the middle of last year and saying "Jay, I think it's time to go with Colt and see what he can do"? Hell no. That single event told me (at the time) that Gruden had some juice in this organization and was able to call his own shots. There's almost zero chance in my mind that Snyder would ever want Colt McCoy in over RG3 or Cousins. If Colt doesn't get hurt, he probably finishes the season and we don't see RG3 take meaningful snaps for a long time. Does that sound like a Snyder move?

But then the open competition ended before it even started and I was left thinking "hmmm, maybe Snyder is saying something now". Or it could more likely be GMSM. SM wants to see what he has in RG3, if he's in play for the future or even as a tradable asset. It makes more sense to me that way versus Snyder seemingly sitting in the background all this time and in Feb deciding to overrule and say something.
i think folks are overthinking it. They named him the starter since they picked up his option. No qb controversy, just want to give him one last shot and see if they will be able to get anything out of their investment.
Agree. And I think it's silly to just assume SM wants something other than Griffin right now but is being forced by Snyder. SM said when he got here that you don't give up on a QB this young. I'm not naive enough to assume that EVERYTHING has changed now that SM is here, but I do think Snyder is willing to give him some time so I think he's 99% in charge right now.

 
I am here to offer hope. Hope to those who feel hopeless, hope to those who feel current ownership might be the biggest obstacle to success Hope from a strange voice...

You see, I am a Cowboys fan.

But I feel some of what you are feeling! I too felt that the biggest obstacle to the team I love being a success was the man who owns them. While the situations were different, for me it felt like a meddling owner was an obstacle that could never be overcome.

And then something strange happened. Jerry started listening, he started changing. Then one fateful day in April there was a draft decision. The football people said take this solid O-lineman who will improve our team. The owner (who is the GM) wanted the media superstar trainwreck of a quarterback. That day we saw a miracle. Jerry acquiesced. He passed on flash and glamour and took substance. He passed on his ego and deferred to the opinions of others. It was glorious, it was like a chorus of angels sang sweet songs of praise to Cowboys fans everywhere. Sometimes it still feels like a dream.

I thought Jerry could not change. I thought the Cowboys were doomed. I was wrong.

So for those of you who think Snyder is the issue, he can change. In fact, I'd say he WILL change.Perhaps it has already started. Keep hope alive, I am positive there are better days ahead for your team.

 
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Jerry Jones, for all his faults, is a football man, with football background and a football mind. He may not always make the best decisions, but at least he's making informed decisions in the context of something he knows from actual experience.

Dan Snyder is a putz of epic proportion.

At times, they have that in common.

 
To be honest, up until Gruden naming RG3 starter in Feb, I had no doubt Snyder had very little in any major football decisions in regards to players.

Can you see Snyder calling Gruden in the middle of last year and saying "Jay, I think it's time to go with Colt and see what he can do"? Hell no. That single event told me (at the time) that Gruden had some juice in this organization and was able to call his own shots. There's almost zero chance in my mind that Snyder would ever want Colt McCoy in over RG3 or Cousins. If Colt doesn't get hurt, he probably finishes the season and we don't see RG3 take meaningful snaps for a long time. Does that sound like a Snyder move?

But then the open competition ended before it even started and I was left thinking "hmmm, maybe Snyder is saying something now". Or it could more likely be GMSM. SM wants to see what he has in RG3, if he's in play for the future or even as a tradable asset. It makes more sense to me that way versus Snyder seemingly sitting in the background all this time and in Feb deciding to overrule and say something.
I actually view the February about face as Scot McCloughan asserting influence. Also, since then, Gruden has towed the company line about Griffin being the starter, even though his body language and qualifiers all say he is not fully on board. But at least they are trying to be on the same page.

 
I am here to offer hope. Hope to those who feel hopeless, hope to those who feel current ownership might be the biggest obstacle to success Hope from a strange voice...

You see, I am a Cowboys fan.

But I feel some of what you are feeling! I too felt that the biggest obstacle to the team I love being a success was the man who owns them. While the situations were different, for me it felt like a meddling owner was an obstacle that could never be overcome.

And then something strange happened. Jerry started listening, he started changing. Then one fateful day in April there was a draft decision. The football people said take this solid O-lineman who will improve our team. The owner (who is the GM) wanted the media superstar trainwreck of a quarterback. That day we saw a miracle. Jerry acquiesced. He passed on flash and glamour and took substance. He passed on his ego and deferred to the opinions of others. It was glorious, it was like a chorus of angels sang sweet songs of praise to Cowboys fans everywhere. Sometimes it still feels like a dream.

I thought Jerry could not change. I thought the Cowboys were doomed. I was wrong.

So for those of you who think Snyder is the issue, he can change. In fact, I'd say he WILL change.Perhaps it has already started. Keep hope alive, I am positive there are better days ahead for your team.
Three SB rings early in his tenure probably contributes to your hope. We don't have that.

 
I am here to offer hope. Hope to those who feel hopeless, hope to those who feel current ownership might be the biggest obstacle to success Hope from a strange voice...

You see, I am a Cowboys fan.

But I feel some of what you are feeling! I too felt that the biggest obstacle to the team I love being a success was the man who owns them. While the situations were different, for me it felt like a meddling owner was an obstacle that could never be overcome.

And then something strange happened. Jerry started listening, he started changing. Then one fateful day in April there was a draft decision. The football people said take this solid O-lineman who will improve our team. The owner (who is the GM) wanted the media superstar trainwreck of a quarterback. That day we saw a miracle. Jerry acquiesced. He passed on flash and glamour and took substance. He passed on his ego and deferred to the opinions of others. It was glorious, it was like a chorus of angels sang sweet songs of praise to Cowboys fans everywhere. Sometimes it still feels like a dream.

I thought Jerry could not change. I thought the Cowboys were doomed. I was wrong.

So for those of you who think Snyder is the issue, he can change. In fact, I'd say he WILL change.Perhaps it has already started. Keep hope alive, I am positive there are better days ahead for your team.
Three SB rings early in his tenure probably contributes to your hope. We don't have that.
they help, but those were a lot more jimmy than jerry

 
I am here to offer hope. Hope to those who feel hopeless, hope to those who feel current ownership might be the biggest obstacle to success Hope from a strange voice...

You see, I am a Cowboys fan.

But I feel some of what you are feeling! I too felt that the biggest obstacle to the team I love being a success was the man who owns them. While the situations were different, for me it felt like a meddling owner was an obstacle that could never be overcome.

And then something strange happened. Jerry started listening, he started changing. Then one fateful day in April there was a draft decision. The football people said take this solid O-lineman who will improve our team. The owner (who is the GM) wanted the media superstar trainwreck of a quarterback. That day we saw a miracle. Jerry acquiesced. He passed on flash and glamour and took substance. He passed on his ego and deferred to the opinions of others. It was glorious, it was like a chorus of angels sang sweet songs of praise to Cowboys fans everywhere. Sometimes it still feels like a dream.

I thought Jerry could not change. I thought the Cowboys were doomed. I was wrong.

So for those of you who think Snyder is the issue, he can change. In fact, I'd say he WILL change.Perhaps it has already started. Keep hope alive, I am positive there are better days ahead for your team.
Feels like we are hoping for lightning to strike twice.

I once saw a this question in a Norman Chad article:

If Dan Snyder loves the Redskins so much, why didn't he buy the Cowboys and run them into the ground?

 
Back to the Griffin saga: Any chance he does not make the 53 man roster? He has looked really bad in the preseason. On ESPN 980, Cooley and Czabe said they have seen all of the training camp practices and a lot of the OTAs. None of Griffin's struggles are surprising to them.

I think once McCloughan decides Griffin does not have a future with the Redskins, Griffin is no longer the starter. If that happens before the start of the season, could they trade or cut him just to get rid of the drama?

 
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To be honest, up until Gruden naming RG3 starter in Feb, I had no doubt Snyder had very little in any major football decisions in regards to players.

Can you see Snyder calling Gruden in the middle of last year and saying "Jay, I think it's time to go with Colt and see what he can do"? Hell no. That single event told me (at the time) that Gruden had some juice in this organization and was able to call his own shots. There's almost zero chance in my mind that Snyder would ever want Colt McCoy in over RG3 or Cousins. If Colt doesn't get hurt, he probably finishes the season and we don't see RG3 take meaningful snaps for a long time. Does that sound like a Snyder move?

But then the open competition ended before it even started and I was left thinking "hmmm, maybe Snyder is saying something now". Or it could more likely be GMSM. SM wants to see what he has in RG3, if he's in play for the future or even as a tradable asset. It makes more sense to me that way versus Snyder seemingly sitting in the background all this time and in Feb deciding to overrule and say something.
I actually view the February about face as Scot McCloughan asserting influence. Also, since then, Gruden has towed the company line about Griffin being the starter, even though his body language and qualifiers all say he is not fully on board. But at least they are trying to be on the same page.
I agree with Marvelous. McCloughan has done a good job, IMHO, performing one of the main tasks from which to draw judgement about any General Manager - for the most part, he's 'controlled the message' and the administrative side of the Team, has, for the most part, presented a unified front and a consistent message.

It's a pretty important thing, in a competitive business environment (which all professional sports leagues are) to spin everything involving your assets (players) in as positive a light as possible, and I like how they're doing this with Griffin, for the most part. No matter how good/bad McC might think Griffin (or any other player, for that matter) is, he's doing a credible job not allowing the asset to be devalued by anything other than what we see on the field, and Griffin's own words and actions. Sadly, Griffin appears to be devaluing himself as an asset quite nicely, all by himself...

...but that, to me, is the sign of a competent GM. Control the message, and present a unified front to the League, the fans, and the media. Most of what we're carping about was already in place before McCloughan's arrival. Remember just a few short months ago, we were marveling about how quiet it was around here? That, my friends, is a good thing, that indicates someone competent is trying to do his job.

Hopefully, Snyder will continue to allow him to do so.

 
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@sportsyack: Redskins fans from West Virginia are excited with this latest development, because they love cousins.

 
Again the DRAMA......Only the Skins. :bag:

RG3 is a bamma. And for more things I HATE. Jay Gruden Again. Jason Reid. Jason LaConfora. Joe Thiesmann. 4 Jays.

AYFS!

 
Tonight there are three people just dying that Cousins looks awful against the Ravens. Obviously it is the best QB in the NFL but the other two are Synder and his man servant Bruce Allen. If they are doing this to protect RG3 from either injury or looking awful out there, then it is going to look 100 times worse if Kirk actually plays good and RG3 is STILL the starting QB in week 1 which I still believe is a guarantee.

Clearly someone in lying in this concussion stuff. They say during the Lions game he had one which some people couldn't verify (even the best QB in the NFL apparently), he does a normal practice through most of the week, everyone says he would play tonight, and NOW he is out 1 to 2 weeks. So he either had a legit concussion and they (being Snyder and Allen) were so desperate to put him out there that they would tell the NFL protocol to go pound sand and got caught or this concussion was completely BS to hide the best QB in the NFL from the media and they are scrambling like crazy to continue the bluff

Like I have said, these last 15 years would make an incredible 30 for 30

 
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Cousins shows us again tonight that he's not a starting-quality NFL QB. And then RG3 gets cleared next week and looks bad in the JV game.

Who starts Week 1 then, ####### McCoy?

 
This is a turning point for the skins, ultimately, it will prove to be a positive one.

If he passed the concussion and then failed a retest on Friday, that's fortunate for future organizational prospects.

If there is subterfuge involved, then they are acknowledging(albeit deceitfully), as an organization, that cousins is the better fit for gruden's offense.

Now we get an accurate read on gruden's capabilities as a HC in a make or break year for him.

Of course, this is based on my belief that rg3 isn't a capable enough leader to play the qb position successfully. Couple that with his athletic fall off and his inability to develop the intangibles needed to round out the skillset of what's required to play the position(specifically, how to play from the pocket) and it becomes evident his potential to lead this team to promise land is a ship that's sailed.

I believe cousins will ultimately prove out to be a quality qb in this offense, too.

Is he the long term answer, I dont know, but we'll have a better gauge on that by yr's end.

The idea of continuing to throw good money after bad in another lost yr with rg3 at the helm wouldn't help scotch build this team long term.

Make no mistake, rg3 has started his last GM in Washington.

Scotch is putting his stamp on the team here, that's a good thing long term. He's seen enough and so have I.

My take, I'm sure others see it differently.

 
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This is a turning point for the skins, ultimately, it will prove to be a positive one.

If he passed the concussion and then failed a retest on Friday, that's fortunate for future organizational prospects.

If there is subterfuge involved, then they are acknowledging(albeit deceitfully), as an organization, that cousins is the better fit for gruden's offense.

Now we get an accurate read on gruden's capabilities as a HC in a make or break year for him.

Of course, this is based on my belief that rg3 isn't a capable enough leader to play the qb position successfully. Couple that with his athletic fall off and his inability to develop the intangibles needed to round out the skillset of what's required to play the position(specifically, how to play from the pocket) and it becomes evident his potential to lead this team to promise land is a ship that's sailed.

I believe cousins will ultimately prove out to be a quality qb in this offense, too.

Is he the long term answer, I dont know, but we'll have a better gauge on that by yr's end.

The idea of continuing to throw good money after bad in another lost yr with rg3 at the helm wouldn't help scotch build this team long term.

Make no mistake, rg3 has started his last GM in Washington.

Scotch is putting his stamp on the team here, that's a good thing long term. He's seen enough and so have I.

My take, I'm sure others see it differently.
:goodposting:

 
This team is such a clown show. We can't get out of our own way
This whole, he was cleared, now he isn't, is the #### i really i hate. I can get over a player not playing well. But this stuff just looks and sounds so suspect and unprofessional. I feel bad for all the players involved at this point.

 
This team is such a clown show. We can't get out of our own way
Disagree. I think you're seeing a NFL quality GM telling the owner what needs to happen to become a healthy franchise.
Right on target. It's not going to happen overnight, There are going to be hiccups like this along the way...but I think that's all this is. Just a hiccup. They'll get better at handling the message to the public. One of the things involved in the 'culture change' McCloughan is engaging in, very likely has to do with people on both the management and team side leaking stuff to the media. I know it's reaching a bit, but I think it's just as likely as not that a portion of what we're seeing going on right now could possibly be an experiment in that.

I believe in Scotch, and I think anytime you engineer change like this, it's not always easy. Some folks embrace it, some folks have to be dragged kicking and screaming, and some folks need to be eliminated. I'm cautiously optimistic we're headed in the right direction. Please, Dan, let Scott continue to move the Redskins forward! Just getting things normalized would be a HUGE accomplishment!

 
Seems about right to me. Not apples to apples, but kinda reminds me of the recent Cowboys. What I mean is, Jerruh and Dan seem to be meddling owners. vs. hiring talented football people and letting them do what the do best......As for the Cowboys, I think Stephen Jones is the level head in the FO. Our FO seems to be drafting well and managing the cap...I think Jerruh has FINALLY accepted that hes not some football whisperer and never will be. He needs some of the glory (hole) still, but I think he's finally learned from his mistakes......Add that to Garretts system/culture change building steam, and you have a pretty decent looking franchise.

You just gotta hope that Snyder embraces McGloughlan (sp?)......Let the guy do what he was hired to do.

 
Skins get extension done with Trent Williams.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13539226/trent-williams-agrees-5-year-66m-extension-washington-redksins-agent-says

Articles says it makes him highest paid OT in the game. Without knowing the details or specifics of cap implications I'm pleased. Just hope he can stay healthy and motivated to play at his best over next 5 years. Good to lock up perhaps our best player at one of the most important positions.
Good news for us. Good LTs dont grow on trees.

 
Griffin's concussion/non-concussion is really bizarre, even before he was un-cleared for Satuday's game.

I have been trying to come up with explanations on what happened. Here are some theories:

1. Some other medical issue has come up with Griffin. This actually makes some sense with the "upon further review" announcement Friday. It there is some other major issue that prevents him from playing next year or ever, the Redskins will be on the hook for his 5th year option. If Griffin knew about it during his interview and did not want to discuss it, maybe that is why he gave such elusive answers at his press conference.

2. Griffin was pushing through the concussion protocol and lied about not having symptoms. I can definitely see Griffin doing something like this. And Gruden commenting on how he had no idea how Griffin got through the protocol so quickly.

3. Upper Management Interference, either to get Griffin cleared quickly or to have him un-cleared Friday. I actually don't put much stock in this theory, although it always makes good fodder on how Synder is meddling again. The concussion protocol is pretty well defined. My daughter had a concussion during the high school softball season and the protocol was very slow and methodical.

4. Griffin never had a concussion. This could go in a number of directions, such as upper management wanted to announce he did, to Griffin having something else checked out. Once again, I don't think this scenario makes a lot of sense.

5. The Redskins medical or PR staff is just plain incompetent. Unfortunately, I think this is possible and could happen with any of the above scenarios. Suppose the Thursday's clearance did not come from an independent doctor, so another doctor rechecked the results Friday. Or if the PR staff is trying to find a way to spin the story and can't keep it's storylines straight. By the way, I think the Redskins have had the worst PR staff around for the longest time.

6. Nittanylion suggested that possibly all this mis-information was designed to ferret out the organization leaks. Although interesting, that would be a pretty elaborate plan for an organization that stuggles to do the simple things well.

Those are my thoughts. Even though I have fallen off the Griffin bandwagon, I hope his health is fine.

 

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