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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2015 Offseason Thread (3 Viewers)

There will be a lot less ruckus if Cousins takes care of business in his audition coming up in about 90 minutes.

Fifteen years of ruckus. I'm getting tired of ruckus. I hope some QB, any QB, by way of their play, puts an end to it.

 
The pickle doesn't bother me. The next drive was much better, too bad Grant dropped that 3rd down pass. The whole offense just looks more professional. Funny, the whole Team looks more upbeat...

...our secondary has me more worried than Cousins at QB right now. Struggle with coverage, struggle with tackling. Struggling.

 
The pickle doesn't bother me. The next drive was much better, too bad Grant dropped that 3rd down pass. The whole offense just looks more professional. Funny, the whole Team looks more upbeat...

...our secondary has me more worried than Cousins at QB right now. Struggle with coverage, struggle with tackling. Struggling.
Through the first 20 minutes so far...

On defense, Goldson looks awful in space. Missed smith on the long td and then another big one in space on 3rd down with a chance to get of the field. Duke looks pretty good around the line though. Looks like another season of the secondary playing bad angles in pursuit and poor tackling. Defensive line seems to be holding their own, minus some needed pressure. Was nice to see hall run well one on one on that down field play.

On offense, cousins doesn't look bad. That pick was a quick hitter where the tackle has to keep olb out of the passing lane, get low, sweep the legs. You got a problem with that? (bad karate kid ref.) I really liked cousins on that screen play to the rb, held the ball, stay composed, threw over the top. That skinny post to grant was nice(the one that harbaugh challenged), fit it low into a small window. Pretty good throws overall against a good defense.

ST is showing they miss Hayward and Paul already. Gotta find some young bodies to help out in coverage and return gm.

 
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We will see plenty of Cousins and/or McCoy. A still inadequate OL and Griffins inability to read defenses means he is going to get clobbered. I don't see any way he survives 8 games without going on IR. Maybe not even 4.

Fact is if he gets hurt its more likely he would be back next year because of the executed option year. Then cousins would be gone to FA and nobody is really going to care who is QB. Very likely Griffin would be back with another coach.
I overestimated how long griffin would last. Should have said zero games. Offense looks slightly better w cousins. Slightly. The good, he took zero sacks even though the OL again got destroyed. He knows how to check down and read defenses. He's fairly accurate. The bad, he still presnap determines where he is going. That wouldn't be so bad if he'd then see what the defenses actually does rather than what he thinks they will do. Saw lots of potential INTs. But I will take the INTs over griffin not having a clue about anything.

Bigger concern is tackling. It is not so good. They look like a HS team.

 
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I thought Cousins looked ok, which is much better than Griffin. Ryan Grant looked pretty good filling in for DeSean Jackson. It seemed like it was the only person Cousins threw to.

This is the 2nd game where the Redskins run the ball much better with McCoy at QB. I am not sure if the backup OL and RB is just that much better than the opponents, but I have noticed it.

The defense is a big concern. It seems like the opponents wide receivers are always wide open. I still think teams will pass at will against the Redskins. The tackling has also been poor. That is not a good combination. I am surprised the starting Ravens offense only put 13 points up against the starters. Schaub came in against the starting defense and could not hit the side of a barn.

 
We will see plenty of Cousins and/or McCoy. A still inadequate OL and Griffins inability to read defenses means he is going to get clobbered. I don't see any way he survives 8 games without going on IR. Maybe not even 4.

Fact is if he gets hurt its more likely he would be back next year because of the executed option year. Then cousins would be gone to FA and nobody is really going to care who is QB. Very likely Griffin would be back with another coach.
The good, he took zero sacks even though the OL again got destroyed. He knows how to check down and read defenses.
The starting OL looked much better to me, though it's hard not to when comparing to the dumpster fire last week. You gotta wonder how motivated they are to protect Griffin.

Not sure where you saw Cousins reading the defense....he just seems to have more time to check down.

 
Garçon is still a starter, but he's no better than the third option, IMO.

I'm a local and have never heard a single mention of Ross on the radio shows. I would say he's probably not even going to make the roster.

 
We will see plenty of Cousins and/or McCoy. A still inadequate OL and Griffins inability to read defenses means he is going to get clobbered. I don't see any way he survives 8 games without going on IR. Maybe not even 4.

Fact is if he gets hurt its more likely he would be back next year because of the executed option year. Then cousins would be gone to FA and nobody is really going to care who is QB. Very likely Griffin would be back with another coach.
The good, he took zero sacks even though the OL again got destroyed. He knows how to check down and read defenses.
The starting OL looked much better to me, though it's hard not to when comparing to the dumpster fire last week. You gotta wonder how motivated they are to protect Griffin.

Not sure where you saw Cousins reading the defense....he just seems to have more time to check down.
Your Griffin bias is odd. Cousins has more time because he reds the defense and shifts the protection properly. Griffin shifted the protection the wrong way a couple of times in the Detroit game.
 
I don't expect Ross to make the team. Garçon, Jackson, Roberts, Grant, and Crowder are probably the locks. Not sure how many more they would keep.

 
We will see plenty of Cousins and/or McCoy. A still inadequate OL and Griffins inability to read defenses means he is going to get clobbered. I don't see any way he survives 8 games without going on IR. Maybe not even 4.

Fact is if he gets hurt its more likely he would be back next year because of the executed option year. Then cousins would be gone to FA and nobody is really going to care who is QB. Very likely Griffin would be back with another coach.
The good, he took zero sacks even though the OL again got destroyed. He knows how to check down and read defenses.
The starting OL looked much better to me, though it's hard not to when comparing to the dumpster fire last week. You gotta wonder how motivated they are to protect Griffin.

Not sure where you saw Cousins reading the defense....he just seems to have more time to check down.
Your Griffin bias is odd. Cousins has more time because he reds the defense and shifts the protection properly. Griffin shifted the protection the wrong way a couple of times in the Detroit game.
Agreed. it is fairly evident cousin's did a better job with his eyes. I also saw him do shoulder fakes, drawing defenders, then throwing elsewhere several times. Subtle stuff that pays dividends.

 
The defense is a big concern. It seems like the opponents wide receivers are always wide open. I still think teams will pass at will against the Redskins. The tackling has also been poor. That is not a good combination. I am surprised the starting Ravens offense only put 13 points up against the starters. Schaub came in against the starting defense and could not hit the side of a barn.
I'm not concerned at all about the D. I think they'll be about average. They have some decent talent there and I'm not worried about preseason their performance.

 
I don't expect Ross to make the team. Garçon, Jackson, Roberts, Grant, and Crowder are probably the locks. Not sure how many more they would keep.
Those five are locks to be on the roster. Grant has looked good in the preseason filling in for DeSean Jackson.

Most think that Evan Spencer would be the 6th wr if they decide to keep 6. Spencer is supposed to be a very good special teams player. I have not looked for him on special teams, so I have no idea how he is doing.

 
Casserly fully on board with Cousins starting over RG3. Thinks it's time to move on from RG3 and give Cousins his shot.

Didn't he already get that shot and look terrible?

 
National reporters offer conflicting information on Washington’s quarterback situation

I wish our PR team would do something about this stuff. It only makes this worse.
Your PR team gets a lot of stuff wrong. Has to be the worst in the NFL. Of course, it doesn't help having Snyder as an owner.
Snyder mostly stays out of things now as far as i can tell. But the media still runs with these stories because they get clicks and everyone believes them. I generally tune out all these unnamed source tweets and such but our PR needs to nip this stuff in the bud otherwise reports know they can take advantage and make stuff up to get clicks.

 
Back to the Griffin saga: Any chance he does not make the 53 man roster? He has looked really bad in the preseason. On ESPN 980, Cooley and Czabe said they have seen all of the training camp practices and a lot of the OTAs. None of Griffin's struggles are surprising to them.

I think once McCloughan decides Griffin does not have a future with the Redskins, Griffin is no longer the starter. If that happens before the start of the season, could they trade or cut him just to get rid of the drama?
On hogshaven.com:

Report: Front Office and Coaches Want RG3 Gone, Dan Snyder Resisting

http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/8/30/9225857/report-front-office-and-coaches-want-rg3-gone-dan-snyder-resisting

I like to think I was the first to think of this possibility.

 
Back to the Griffin saga: Any chance he does not make the 53 man roster? He has looked really bad in the preseason. On ESPN 980, Cooley and Czabe said they have seen all of the training camp practices and a lot of the OTAs. None of Griffin's struggles are surprising to them.

I think once McCloughan decides Griffin does not have a future with the Redskins, Griffin is no longer the starter. If that happens before the start of the season, could they trade or cut him just to get rid of the drama?
On hogshaven.com:

Report: Front Office and Coaches Want RG3 Gone, Dan Snyder Resisting

http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/8/30/9225857/report-front-office-and-coaches-want-rg3-gone-dan-snyder-resisting

I like to think I was the first to think of this possibility.
Profootballtalk.com ran the same article, citing an ESPN article. They subsequently ran this article:

Sources say Snyder, football operation are on the same page

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/30/sources-say-snyder-football-operation-are-on-the-same-page/

 
 

Marvelous said:
Marvelous said:
Back to the Griffin saga: Any chance he does not make the 53 man roster? He has looked really bad in the preseason. On ESPN 980, Cooley and Czabe said they have seen all of the training camp practices and a lot of the OTAs. None of Griffin's struggles are surprising to them.

I think once McCloughan decides Griffin does not have a future with the Redskins, Griffin is no longer the starter. If that happens before the start of the season, could they trade or cut him just to get rid of the drama?
On hogshaven.com:

Report: Front Office and Coaches Want RG3 Gone, Dan Snyder Resisting

http://www.hogshaven.com/2015/8/30/9225857/report-front-office-and-coaches-want-rg3-gone-dan-snyder-resisting

I like to think I was the first to think of this possibility.
Profootballtalk.com ran the same article, citing an ESPN article. They subsequently ran this article:

Sources say Snyder, football operation are on the same page

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/30/sources-say-snyder-football-operation-are-on-the-same-page/
I really hope this is a more accurate representation.if this ends up a case of snyder cutting off scotch at the knees after snyder has finally hired a football guy to assemble the roster and build the team, my level of frustration would be at an all-time high.

 
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Can't keep them drama free when the media refuses to do so.

The Redskins arent' creating any drama...it's all manufactured by the gossip columnists and you guys buy it hook, line and sinker. You're the problem.

 
tangfoot said:
CapnJB said:
Bracie Smathers said:
Dan SteinbergVerified account‏@dcsportsbog 16m16 minutes ago

Consecutive analysts on the Redskins official pregame radio show have speculated about RGIII getting cut before week one
I'm normally one to wish my weekends were longer, but right now I can't wait for Monday morning sports talk radio.
The Ruckus on Monday morning is going to be gold, Jerry. Gold!

:popcorn:
They are so desperate to turn this into a "RG3 is given this treatment because he is black" controversy. I guess they need something to make people listen

 
The defense is a big concern. It seems like the opponents wide receivers are always wide open. I still think teams will pass at will against the Redskins. The tackling has also been poor. That is not a good combination. I am surprised the starting Ravens offense only put 13 points up against the starters. Schaub came in against the starting defense and could not hit the side of a barn.
I'm not concerned at all about the D. I think they'll be about average. They have some decent talent there and I'm not worried about preseason their performance.
I agree, and I've been hearing good reviews of the defensive talent and schemes from people far more knowledgeable than myself. Remember the secondary has been playing this preseason without Breeland. League average sounds about right.

 
So our good friend Diana Marie Russini is at it again with her sources. Now she's saying Cousins has been named the starter. This just a couple days after Gruden said the team hadn't decided anything. Either the sources are way wrong or we have a coach that just straight up lies to the media.

 
 

How in the world could RG3 get cut instead of traded?
 I'd guess it's the $16M option on next yr.

I cant see how any team could decide he's worth an extension in less than a yr w/ no offseason. an extension would be the only way to avoid the $16M option. a new team could cut him after the season and avoid the option, but there's no value in offering anything to the skins in that case.

as i said upstream somewhere when the concussion story broke, I believe RG3 has played his last gm as a Redskin and is more likely to be cut.

Scotch putting his stamp on the team.

 
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So our good friend Diana Marie Russini is at it again with her sources. Now she's saying Cousins has been named the starter. This just a couple days after Gruden said the team hadn't decided anything. Either the sources are way wrong or we have a coach that just straight up lies to the media.
Looks to me like it's just doubling down of what she reported on Saturday. The only thing that has happened between then and now is that Cousins moved the team pretty effectively against the Ravens 1s. He absolutely should be named starter, and the sooner the better.

I have very little faith in him, but he's clearly the only person that has shown to be worth starting right now.

 
How in the world could RG3 get cut instead of traded?
The option for next year. I can't imagine many teams would want to take that on.
Griffin's contract is guaranteed $3+ this year, and $16M next year, guaranteed only for injury.

If Griffin goes to another team this late in the season, he is a backup/3rd stringer and a project. There is no way he steps into a new systems, shines, and starts games this year.

No one wants that contract for a 3rd string QB and a project.

If the Redskins cut Griffin, he certainly clears waivers. And another team may not sign him this year.

 
So our good friend Diana Marie Russini is at it again with her sources. Now she's saying Cousins has been named the starter. This just a couple days after Gruden said the team hadn't decided anything. Either the sources are way wrong or we have a coach that just straight up lies to the media.
Looks to me like it's just doubling down of what she reported on Saturday. The only thing that has happened between then and now is that Cousins moved the team pretty effectively against the Ravens 1s. He absolutely should be named starter, and the sooner the better.

I have very little faith in him, but he's clearly the only person that has shown to be worth starting right now.
Why because we want to luck box 5 wins this season? This team should not be trying to do anything but secure the first pick in the draft. We're not an average QB away which is Cousin's ceiling.

 
So our good friend Diana Marie Russini is at it again with her sources. Now she's saying Cousins has been named the starter. This just a couple days after Gruden said the team hadn't decided anything. Either the sources are way wrong or we have a coach that just straight up lies to the media.
Looks to me like it's just doubling down of what she reported on Saturday. The only thing that has happened between then and now is that Cousins moved the team pretty effectively against the Ravens 1s. He absolutely should be named starter, and the sooner the better.

I have very little faith in him, but he's clearly the only person that has shown to be worth starting right now.
Why because we want to luck box 5 wins this season? This team should not be trying to do anything but secure the first pick in the draft. We're not an average QB away which is Cousin's ceiling.
You need QB play to be acceptable to evaluate the rest of the team.
 
So our good friend Diana Marie Russini is at it again with her sources. Now she's saying Cousins has been named the starter. This just a couple days after Gruden said the team hadn't decided anything. Either the sources are way wrong or we have a coach that just straight up lies to the media.
Looks to me like it's just doubling down of what she reported on Saturday. The only thing that has happened between then and now is that Cousins moved the team pretty effectively against the Ravens 1s. He absolutely should be named starter, and the sooner the better.

I have very little faith in him, but he's clearly the only person that has shown to be worth starting right now.
Why because we want to luck box 5 wins this season? This team should not be trying to do anything but secure the first pick in the draft. We're not an average QB away which is Cousin's ceiling.
You need QB play to be acceptable to evaluate the rest of the team.
exactly.

 
Ya guys let's play ourselves out of a QB over and over again for the next decade. It will be fun and we'll know that we have a slightly above average slot WR.

Smh

 
Lol who cares you have nothing unless you have one.
Uhh....you are advocating playing to get the #1 pick. This seems rather silly if you don't have an idea what college player may be available.

Since you seem to just be spouting off and you don't know, the top two QBs that you'd probably be looking at next year will be Cook from Michigan State and Hackenberg (sp?) from Penn State. Neither are Franchise level guys, this upcoming draft should be a pretty good one for another position of need for The Redskins, there should be a couple of top tier defensive players. Ogbah from Oklahoma for example should transition nicely, he was impressive last year so if he can build off of last year he'll be a stud.

 
I'd draft the best available QB every year until we got a franchise QB. We'd be better off if we had done that 20 years ago.

 
So our good friend Diana Marie Russini is at it again with her sources. Now she's saying Cousins has been named the starter. This just a couple days after Gruden said the team hadn't decided anything. Either the sources are way wrong or we have a coach that just straight up lies to the media.
Looks to me like it's just doubling down of what she reported on Saturday. The only thing that has happened between then and now is that Cousins moved the team pretty effectively against the Ravens 1s. He absolutely should be named starter, and the sooner the better.

I have very little faith in him, but he's clearly the only person that has shown to be worth starting right now.
Why because we want to luck box 5 wins this season? This team should not be trying to do anything but secure the first pick in the draft. We're not an average QB away which is Cousin's ceiling.
I'm on record as saying this is a 2-14 team with Cousins at the helm. 4 is the ABSOLUTE ceiling. Bears are a team that is likely to have a worse record if the Redskins get to 4 wins (one of them being over the Bears), but I really see them in the running for worst overall and no better than #29. Is that too "good" to get a QB next year in the draft?

 
Kirk Cousins, career recap.

2012. Everyone remembers the magic carpet ride of 7 wins down the stretch and up 14 over Seattle in the playoffs b4 RG3 tore his knee ligaments. Do you remember that Kirk had a role in that run his rookie yr? wk 14, playoffs at stake(as they were during each wk of the 7 gm winning streak) home gm against baltimore. Skin down 28-23?, RG3 gets his knee bent sideways on a scramble by I think Haloti Ngata? in the 4th qtr. Kirk comes in and finishes the drive off w/ a TD throw and even scrambles in for a 2pt conversion as I recall. Skins win, season alive.

With RG3 injured, Kirk starts in Cleveland the next wk and goes an efficient 26 for 37(70%) 329 yards 2 TDs/1 INT, sprinkling in 22 yards rushing. Not bad for a rookie in his first start w/ the playoffs on the line.

rookie year wraps up w/ a stat line of 33/48(68.8%)/466/4TD/3INT. 2 of those INT came in wk 5 when he relieved an injured RG3 against Atl trying to rally the team from a deficit.

2013. Shanny's last yr. RG3 came back too early, the team struggled all yr and went 3-13. Shanny was subsequently fired. the team played uninspired football all yr. it is no coincidence that some of cousin's worst statistical efforts are here, during wks 14-17, when the team lost the last 8 gms down the stretch. pretty bad situation for all, not just the QB. 81 for 155(52.3%)/854/4TD/7Int. This includes an abortion of a gm in NY in wk 17.

I'm giving him a pass on 2013. tough situation, walking dead coach, listless effort by the entire team, and gets the luxury of starting wks 14-17 after the trainwreck already happened.

2014. 4-12 as a team. Gruden's rookie yr. QB carousel by Gruden. bad coaching by a rookie HC and not a very good team. RG3 rips his ankle off in wk 2 against Jax and cousin's actually gets some early season opportunity instead of captaining a sinking ship. What's he do? He proceeds to lose 4 straight gms from wks 3-7 and the seasons in the can. But a look at the numbers provide some greater context I think. for the season, he finishes 126/204(61.8)/1710(8.4 per attempt)/10TDs/9Int/86.4 QB rating. 7 picks came in 2 games against the Giants and Cardinals. this is our biggest sample size to date. I'd like to think that's not bad for a 3rd yr QB in an offense he likely was functional, at best, at this point.

some situational stats from the 2014 season(the biggest sample size):

When's the team was ahead in the game, Cousin's threw only 1 INT.

When the team was behind in the game, Cousin's threw 6TDs and 8Int. 4 of those INT came when the team was down by more than 9 or more.

Cousin's had a passer rating over 100 in the 1st half of gms, but falls into the 60s in the 2nd half.

 
So our good friend Diana Marie Russini is at it again with her sources. Now she's saying Cousins has been named the starter. This just a couple days after Gruden said the team hadn't decided anything. Either the sources are way wrong or we have a coach that just straight up lies to the media.
Looks to me like it's just doubling down of what she reported on Saturday. The only thing that has happened between then and now is that Cousins moved the team pretty effectively against the Ravens 1s. He absolutely should be named starter, and the sooner the better.

I have very little faith in him, but he's clearly the only person that has shown to be worth starting right now.
Why because we want to luck box 5 wins this season? This team should not be trying to do anything but secure the first pick in the draft. We're not an average QB away which is Cousin's ceiling.
I'm on record as saying this is a 2-14 team with Cousins at the helm. 4 is the ABSOLUTE ceiling. Bears are a team that is likely to have a worse record if the Redskins get to 4 wins (one of them being over the Bears), but I really see them in the running for worst overall and no better than #29. Is that too "good" to get a QB next year in the draft?
Looking at the schedule, it's tough to see more than 6 (and that is being super generous). Realistically, there's maybe 1 game you can look at and say they could be favored in and that's the home game against Tampa. I mean, we lost to a bad Bucs team at home last year, so it's definitely not a lock.

They'll probably end up winning a game or 2 that they shouldn't win, since they always do that. But I agree, that anywhere from 2 to 4 wins is probably going to happen for this team.

 

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