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***** Official Westworld Thread ***** (4 Viewers)
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El Floppo
Footballguy
I like how they're playing it by showing the collective acid trip of the "aware" bots... Delores and Maeve especially.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
If he isn't dead, he's just gonna stay quiet?
Hey this bot is trying to kill me, round up a robot army, and Sylvester is a moron.
I just find it unpossible to believe (unless he is a bot himself) that actually materializing without a huge hole. I'm enjoying it, but I do find things like this a little flawed in the plot.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Lol... don't pay attention to what has happened and lack imagination for what has yet to happen.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I just see no reason why this guy has even allowed it to get this far and/or even further.
There was no reason to even introduce him as a character, could've just left Sylvester in there by himself to avoid this.
i guess I have no reason to get super hung up on this, I just think it's stupid.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
The Mauve story with super powers is really dumb. Her backstory is pretty great though.
The Wyatt followers being bullet proof will need to be explained soon weird.
Time line issues galore: So Dolores killed Arnold and all of the other original hosts (but for Mauve?) 35 years ago? Then 30 years ago is rediscovering what she did? MIB recognizes the host who first met "william" saying he thought she was retired by now. Where/when Delores is really confusing. I think we are watching her in two timelines at the same time and william is the past and mib.
The Wyatt followers being bullet proof will need to be explained soon weird.
Time line issues galore: So Dolores killed Arnold and all of the other original hosts (but for Mauve?) 35 years ago? Then 30 years ago is rediscovering what she did? MIB recognizes the host who first met "william" saying he thought she was retired by now. Where/when Delores is really confusing. I think we are watching her in two timelines at the same time and william is the past and mib.
bentley
Footballguy
Ford found the area where it was buried and talked about building the new narrative there in that episode.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I'm on board with..
MIB = William
Wyatt = Arnold
Triple timeline
Mauve is infected with the Chimera virus
MIB = William
Wyatt = Arnold
Triple timeline
Mauve is infected with the Chimera virus
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Hadn't heard of triple timeline theory. So, if MIB and Teddy going after Wyatt is t=0, and William and Logan is t-30, what is the 3rd timeline? I'll take a link, if you don't want to write it all down, please. And what's the Chimera virus?
Who was the host chick that MIB recognized and said he thought they retired? The one who double-crossed Teddy? Was that the host that welcomed William to the park, originally?
Love this show. The flashback at the town where the steeple is will be a huge reveal. That's gotta be where Arnold and Ford had their showdown in the t-35 timeline. I'm anxious to see who the lone figure in black, obscured by smoke in Dolores' memory, turns out to be. And what did Lawrence's daughter mean when she asked Dolores if she had found what she was looking for?
oh, and Sylvester is the whiney dude with the beard that Maeve throat slit, and he's still alive. Felix is the Asian guy who wants to be a programmer. Don't know why they're both named after famous cartoon cats, but it's got to mean something in this show.
I don't know anything about a third timeline, but I would not be shocked. If we ignore timelines for a moment, here is where I think we are with story lines:
MIB/Teddy/Wyatt - I thought MIB gave some insight that could support the William = MIB theory when he talked about who he was outside the park - good guy, with inner demons. They have been pretty constantly reminding us that the park "reveals your true self", so I can see where William comes into the park as a "White Hat" because that is who he believes he is supposed to be in the real world, but his "Black Hat" personality is revealed during his time in the park. From a continuity standpoint, I thought it was interesting that MIB did not go full "bad" until just recently - we know that Maeve was moved only a few years ago - and now we know that was in conjunction with her encounter with MIB (instead of the usual Indian).
MIB is probably dying, and is looking to solve the maze to determine if the sum of his life is more good or bad.
William/Delores/Logan - Delores is suffering from memory flashbacks - going back to where it all began and the hosts were built and trained. Maybe subconsciously or consciously trying to go back and kill them all? Kind of curious scene at the beach - we don't know if the kid died on his own, or if William "helped" him along. We also don't know how Delores ended up dead in the water in one loop. Clearly she has been in this loop before though.
Maeve (not Mauve - the color)/Thing 1 and Thing 2 - this is probably my least favorite storyline - feels too chaotic, even for this show. I imagine she gets her army from the cold storage and we have a battle of sorts in the control tower/HQ
Ford/Bernard/Arnold/Board - Hard to tell who is the real antagonist here - I am going to stick with my original guess of Ford, but maybe the Board is even more evil
Intertwined with this is the relationship between Bernard and Delores - is that really Arnold speaking to her using Bernard as a Proxy? Looks like Security guy is human, and will be key to stopping the host revolution.
MIB/Teddy/Wyatt - I thought MIB gave some insight that could support the William = MIB theory when he talked about who he was outside the park - good guy, with inner demons. They have been pretty constantly reminding us that the park "reveals your true self", so I can see where William comes into the park as a "White Hat" because that is who he believes he is supposed to be in the real world, but his "Black Hat" personality is revealed during his time in the park. From a continuity standpoint, I thought it was interesting that MIB did not go full "bad" until just recently - we know that Maeve was moved only a few years ago - and now we know that was in conjunction with her encounter with MIB (instead of the usual Indian).
MIB is probably dying, and is looking to solve the maze to determine if the sum of his life is more good or bad.
William/Delores/Logan - Delores is suffering from memory flashbacks - going back to where it all began and the hosts were built and trained. Maybe subconsciously or consciously trying to go back and kill them all? Kind of curious scene at the beach - we don't know if the kid died on his own, or if William "helped" him along. We also don't know how Delores ended up dead in the water in one loop. Clearly she has been in this loop before though.
Maeve (not Mauve - the color)/Thing 1 and Thing 2 - this is probably my least favorite storyline - feels too chaotic, even for this show. I imagine she gets her army from the cold storage and we have a battle of sorts in the control tower/HQ
Ford/Bernard/Arnold/Board - Hard to tell who is the real antagonist here - I am going to stick with my original guess of Ford, but maybe the Board is even more evil
Intertwined with this is the relationship between Bernard and Delores - is that really Arnold speaking to her using Bernard as a Proxy? Looks like Security guy is human, and will be key to stopping the host revolution. 
Capella
Footballguy
Ok. I was under the impression he put that there and it was part of his new narrative.
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Skoo
Footballguy
Thoroughly confused by last night, definitely going to need to watch that one again.
Trying not to read Reddit but it's really tough. On one hand, it really helps to get insight and better understand what's going on. On the other hand, those nerds are too good at what they do. They're so on top of it that many theories end up being spoilers, like Bernard being a bot. They were onto that one after like the first episode.
Trying not to read Reddit but it's really tough. On one hand, it really helps to get insight and better understand what's going on. On the other hand, those nerds are too good at what they do. They're so on top of it that many theories end up being spoilers, like Bernard being a bot. They were onto that one after like the first episode.
Skoo
Footballguy
I doubt the show runners pitched it to HBO on the premise that only Reddit nerds would enjoy it.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Yeah, you really need to pay attention to just about every detail to the point where it almost takes you out of the story a little. The acting is phenomenal though and whether or not they pull off whatever it is they are trying to do here, they do immerse you in this world, and that is really all you can ask for a drama.
But last night was just.... I don't even know. Could all of those scenes towards the end just have been flashbacks and really everything we've seen has happened once before or multiple times before, even with the Madam trying to break free?
Skoo
Footballguy
Ever go on Reddit after an episode of Game of Thrones airs?
I bet the fact that they knew the internet would nerd out about it was actually a selling point.
Don't get me wrong, I agree it's not for everyone. It's intense viewing.
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TLEF316
Footballguy
Exactly. I don't consider myself a casual viewer of shows like this. If a show is good, I'll totally dive into all the minuti, fan theories,etc.
I've had very little motivation to do that with this show. It's too confusing and I don't like the fact that we're basically being played with the entire time for some shock value ending/big reveal.
I know they've already ordered a second season of this, but I'd be surprised if it makes it past that. I'm not sure how a casual viewer could watch this show and enjoy it and I'm sure the production costs are very high. Bet it gets canned next year due to low viewership
I've had very little motivation to do that with this show. It's too confusing and I don't like the fact that we're basically being played with the entire time for some shock value ending/big reveal.
I know they've already ordered a second season of this, but I'd be surprised if it makes it past that. I'm not sure how a casual viewer could watch this show and enjoy it and I'm sure the production costs are very high. Bet it gets canned next year due to low viewership
belljr
Footballguy
gump
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
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belljr
Footballguy
I think I'm a casual viewer and love it. It's basically like me and Mr Robot. I don't know everything that is going on but do pay attention to the episodes when they air. I don't go back and rewatch and don't really read any except some stuff in here.
Agree with all that, but a huge budget show like this needs to pull more than the Reddit crowd. And maybe they will or will continue to do so (not sure what the ratings have been) but I worry whether they will be able to do so over a couple seasons like TLEF said.
I have no idea where this is headed, and I have not seen any discussion outside of here, and an English board with the same type thread - which is fun because they don't get the show until Monday or Tuesday....
But, I think there are some logical conclusions we can draw just from what we have seen in the show - we also know this has been re-newed for a 2nd season. From my perspective, season one is all about the host(s) gaining self-awareness. I think the story telling has been fine, and had this been shown completely linearly I think we lose much of the suspense. I don't think it is so convoluted that they can't wrap up all the storylines in the next two episodes.
I think, it is probably obvious that at least one host "wins" the upcoming robot revolution - otherwise we have a 2nd season with the hosts struggling to gain self-awareness. That does not make sense as a 2nd season, so I imagine, the 2nd season will be a continuation of a host living/surviving in the "real" world. I think the obvious "winner" will be Bernard - and Ford will die this season. Bernard is the only host, that we know about, where most people think he is human. Security guy seems to have questions, but if Ford dies - nobody will be able to point to Bernard being a Bot. So, I think Bernard becomes the focus of season 2.
I am picturing a climax where we find out how MIB/William/Delores are all tied together - presumably at the center of the maze. I think we are going to have a Host-uprising in the control center (they showed scenes several episodes ago of Security personnel running in the halls with guns) Not sure if Maeve will be successful in getting out - she is my second choice to survive. I think MIB and Ford will both die in the park after some epiphany about the sum total of their lives. And, I think we will all look forward to seeing how this progresses in season 2.
But, I think there are some logical conclusions we can draw just from what we have seen in the show - we also know this has been re-newed for a 2nd season. From my perspective, season one is all about the host(s) gaining self-awareness. I think the story telling has been fine, and had this been shown completely linearly I think we lose much of the suspense. I don't think it is so convoluted that they can't wrap up all the storylines in the next two episodes.
I think, it is probably obvious that at least one host "wins" the upcoming robot revolution - otherwise we have a 2nd season with the hosts struggling to gain self-awareness. That does not make sense as a 2nd season, so I imagine, the 2nd season will be a continuation of a host living/surviving in the "real" world. I think the obvious "winner" will be Bernard - and Ford will die this season. Bernard is the only host, that we know about, where most people think he is human. Security guy seems to have questions, but if Ford dies - nobody will be able to point to Bernard being a Bot. So, I think Bernard becomes the focus of season 2.
I am picturing a climax where we find out how MIB/William/Delores are all tied together - presumably at the center of the maze. I think we are going to have a Host-uprising in the control center (they showed scenes several episodes ago of Security personnel running in the halls with guns) Not sure if Maeve will be successful in getting out - she is my second choice to survive. I think MIB and Ford will both die in the park after some epiphany about the sum total of their lives. And, I think we will all look forward to seeing how this progresses in season 2.
She is theoretically on vacation, but the security guy was asking Bernard about her. I still hold out hope that she is still alive in the park but its not looking good right now.
babydemon90
Footballguy
So, Bernard's relationship with Theresa wasn't as discrete as they thought - now his denial is going to raise questions.
What's the deal with the church Delores saw - I can't remember if that's a new structure created for the Wyatt storyline, or just something they flashed to when Ford was talking about the storyline, but not a 'new' thing.
What's the deal with the church Delores saw - I can't remember if that's a new structure created for the Wyatt storyline, or just something they flashed to when Ford was talking about the storyline, but not a 'new' thing.
Quint
Footballguy
i think the church steeple Dolores & William saw was the same one from town/city where Dolores had just seen all the people being killed. same place, but buried under dirt/sand.
this is the place where Ford's "new story" takes place?
(HULK)
(Smash)
I don't know why you think the audience is being played with. I've said multiple timeframes since episode 2. They've been dropping hints the whole time, and they've become less and less subtle each episode. This show has been awesome for me.
TheMagus
Footballguy
I'm wondering if that was supposed to be a "reveal" that Sylvester/Felix was a host. It seemed like the way they focused on that, it was supposed to be. We have no indication that humans can be saved in such a way and those were clearly the tools used on the hosts.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Totally agree that the hints have gotten a lot less subtle. To me, MIB recognizing the blond that greeted William is a pretty big tip off (although I seriously doubt the casual crowd will catch it) of the william= MIB theory.I don't know why you think the audience is being played with. I've said multiple timeframes since episode 2. They've been dropping hints the whole time, and they've become less and less subtle each episode. This show has been awesome for me.
But I'm still annoyed at the long winding path that brought us here and that has caused me to lose interest. Not saying I'm some TV expert, but of the circle of people I know, I'm probably the most serious viewer of drama shows. This one just hasn't held me and I'm clearly not alone. I know exactly zero people in real life that stuck with this
Skoo
Footballguy
He could still be a host of course, but in one of the first episodes when discussing the bots they talk about how we have reached the peak scientifically - that they can cure pretty much any disease or ailment. So it's definitely reasonable to believe that they can seal the wound like that.
Capella
Footballguy
Quint
Footballguy
didn't Maeve say something in a previous episode about "dying a million times" and threatening Sylvester with having to try it once [implying he was not a host]?
Skoo
Footballguy
If it was the blonde in the desert, I'm pretty sure that was the girl who welcomed William to Westworld.
....lending more credence to the MiB = William theory
Basically confirming it. There are pictures of her in the town too, but I can't remember when that is from.
El Floppo
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
I missed/forgot that entirely.Skoo said:
while watching during the cauterizing, I was thinking it could go either way with sylvester (glad you guys remember names) being human or bot. and that's kind of the point of the show.
which is also why I really liked the Delores scenes at the river and at the steeple... she's on the freak-out acid-trippy journey with the audience- not knowing where she is or when she is... or who she is (or was).
(HULK)
(Smash)
I'm thinking it would make financial sense to have the majority of the park staff be hosts. They work for free. If a Bernard can contribute at the level he does, why would you hire actual paid people to fix up bots and send them back to the park? Or to go repair bullet holes and explosions? All of that staff would be bots if I ran things.
