Packers @ Seahawks Game Thread (1 Viewer)

[OrtonToOlsen]

I cant believe MM punted on 4th and 2 with a decimated defense-- he deserves to be fired. 

Yes you can. MM would have been out of a job years ago without AR. 

 

[OrtonToOlsen]

GOOD CALL, ORTONTOORTON. NAILED IT. 

Thanks, GB

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Again, low football I.Q. and poor discipline.  Disgusting.

 

[dmac37]

Very disappointed with ARod on that last drive. Something seemed off, between his execution and his drive to finish a game out like he used to???

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Very disappointed with ARod on that last drive. Something seemed off, between his execution and his drive to finish a game out like he used to???

Hard to be on when you have a doofus coach who doesn't trust you on 4th and 2 with game on the line.

 

[conlilnew]

Is ARod tanking to 100% make sure MM gets fired. That last drive looked he didn’t even try to get the ball to his receiver on the 3rd down.

 

[tricky92]

Is Steve Smith drunk?

 

[Pipes]

Is ARod tanking to 100% make sure MM gets fired. That last drive looked he didn’t even try to get the ball to his receiver on the 3rd down.

He ignored Aaron Jones on a couple wide open check downs too and took sacks.  Something is off with Rodgers too

 

[tricky92]

Too bad Montgomery isn’t around to blame

 

[sho nuff]

He ignored Aaron Jones on a couple wide open check downs too and took sacks.  Something is off with Rodgers too

Yeah

MM should get the boot...but Rodgers hasn’t been good and plenty won’t make him accountable for his poor play and awareness.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

He ignored Aaron Jones on a couple wide open check downs too and took sacks.  Something is off with Rodgers too

All too frequent the last few years.  Living to get a fresh set of downs is a good play, but Rodgers cannot see that anymore.  

 

[zed2283]

I think you gotta put even more blame on Rodgers for not shooing the punt team back off the field a la Peyton.  Everyone on the field, in the stands, and watching at home knew the game was over with a punt.

 

[Ghost Rider]

He ignored Aaron Jones on a couple wide open check downs too and took sacks.  Something is off with Rodgers too

I still have no idea why Rodgers resigned with this team, considering they have shown over and over that they are incapable of surrounding him with the necessary talent to seriously contend for the Super Bowl.  Yeah, yeah, he got paid, but he could have gotten paid a ton elsewhere and had a better shot to win more rings.  Eight years from now, Rodgers will be retired and a few years away from being a first ballot Hall of Famer, while also being the "Why did he only win one ring?" guy. 

 

[zed2283]

I still have no idea why Rodgers resigned with this team, considering they have shown over and over that they are incapable of surrounding him with the necessary talent to seriously contend for the Super Bowl.  Yeah, yeah, he got paid, but he could have gotten paid a ton elsewhere and had a better shot to win more rings.  Eight years from now, Rodgers will be retired and a few years away from being a first ballot Hall of Famer, while also being the "Why did he only win one ring?" guy. 

I'm telling you, you can't build a good team around a franchise QB (after his rookie contract).

 

[The General]

I'm telling you, you can't build a good team around a franchise QB (after his rookie contract).

The top of the league standings are littered with teams that have QB as highest paid player.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I'm telling you, you can't build a good team around a franchise QB (after his rookie contract).

WTF?

 

[The General]

Vegas predicted 26-23 Seahawks. 

They missed it by a point for each team. Those guys suck. 

 

[lod001]

I'm telling you, you can't build a good team around a franchise QB (after his rookie contract).

There is some truth to this statement. You can't build a dominant team. NE is an exception because Brady works cheap. The QB eats so much salary cap that you have to do 1 of 2 things. Powerhouse D or point scoring machine. You can't have both. Look at the saints, falcons, Pitt. All have weak defenses because the $ is tied up in O. You can't afford top $ defensive players. The rams and KC will join them soon. 

 

[Hooper31]

I'm telling you, you can't build a good team around a franchise QB (after his rookie contract).

This is so wrong it hurts. 

First, Brady crushes this argument by himself. 

Second, using Seattle as an example is so so wrong. Seattle paid everyone with the exception of one player. Are you seriously going to argue that Bruce Irvin was the difference between staying competitive and falling apart? Just like other teams they must replace talent with talent. When they don't draft well or choose well in free agency they go into decline. 

 

[rockaction]

It was an interesting game between two .500 teams. Forget the names, see the wins.   

 

[Cowboysfan8]

This is so wrong it hurts. 

First, Brady crushes this argument by himself. 

Are you aware of where Brady ranks on the list of QB salaries?

 

[rockaction]

Are you aware of where Brady ranks on the list of QB salaries?

Henry Ford wrote an interesting take on Brady's actual salary. 

It was a great dissection of it. It's higher than one might think. 

But I'm just spitballing, and not trying to disagree. I wanna give props to my man @Henry Fordfor breaking it down.  

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Henry Ford wrote an interesting take on Brady's actual salary. 

It was a great dissection of it. It's higher than one might think. 

But I'm just spitballing, and not trying to disagree. I wanna give props to my man @Henry Fordfor breaking it down.  

I believe he counts 14 mil against the cap this year and 13 mil last yr?

 

[rockaction]

I believe he counts 14 mil against the cap this year and 13 mil last yr?

Yeah, he broke it down in a way that took into account guaranteed money against the cap, IIRC. I'll try and find the link.  

 

[Henry Ford]

Henry Ford wrote an interesting take on Brady's actual salary. 

It was a great dissection of it. It's higher than one might think. 

But I'm just spitballing, and not trying to disagree. I wanna give props to my man @Henry Fordfor breaking it down.  

You're too kind.

The 2010 extension made him the highest paid player in football, and the below is a breakdown of what actually happened while he was repeatedly "renegotiating to take a lower salary."

Just to illustrate how this worked with Brady, here's what he should have earned from 2010-2014 according to the extension he negotiated in 2010 (for the 2011 season and beyond: $78.5 million. 

Here's what he actually earned:

2010: $16 million signing bonus, $3 million roster bonus, $7.5 million salary ($26.5 million).

2011: $4 million roster bonus, $5.75 million salary ($9.75 million).

2012: $6 million roster bonus, $4.8 million signing bonus, $950,000 salary, $250,000 workout bonus ($12 million).

2013: $30 million signing bonus, $1 million salary ($31 million).

2014: $2 million salary.

That's $81.25 million

Tom Brady made $2.75 million more than his original contract said he would, which was the highest contract in the NFL at the time and everyone thinks he renegotiated to help the team and agreed to take less money.

That's some impressive accounting and PR.

 

[rockaction]

You're too kind.

Nah, man. That was illuminative and great stuff. Thanks.  

 

[Gustavo Fring]

Great win for the Seahawks, but more importantly to push GB further down in the NFC North standings. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

You're too kind.

The 2010 extension made him the highest paid player in football, and the below is a breakdown of what actually happened while he was repeatedly "renegotiating to take a lower salary."

So all that matters for this conversation is his cap hit every yr.

Is that the # in parentheses?

 

[Henry Ford]

So all that matters fir this conversation is his car hit every yr.

Is that the # in parentheses?

I didn't do it for cap hit.  The number in parentheses is the total amount of money in his pocket for a given year.

Edit: rock seemed to want that breakdown I did a month and a half ago.  So I quoted it.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I didn't do it for cap hit.  The number in parentheses is the total amount of money in his pocket for a given year.

Edit: rock seemed to want that breakdown I did a month and a half ago.  So I quoted it.

Oh, ok.

The discussion was how it's tough to build a team around a highly paid QB

 

[Henry Ford]

Oh, ok.

The discussion was how it's tough to build a team around a highly paid QB

His cap hit for each of those years:

2010 $17,420,000 

2011 $13,200,000

2012 $8,000,000

2013 $13,800,000

2014 $14,800,000

https://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250

 

[Cowboysfan8]

His cap hit for each of those years:

2010 $17,420,000 

2011 $13,200,000

2012 $8,000,000

2013 $13,800,000

2014 $14,800,000

https://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250

?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

This is so wrong it hurts. 

First, Brady crushes this argument by himself. 

His cap hit for each of those years:

2010 $17,420,000 

2011 $13,200,000

2012 $8,000,000

2013 $13,800,000

2014 $14,800,000

https://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250

 

[Cowboysfan8]

His cap hit for each of those years:

2010 $17,420,000 

2011 $13,200,000

2012 $8,000,000

2013 $13,800,000

2014 $14,800,000

https://overthecap.com/player/tom-brady/1250

Thx HF

 

[Henry Ford]

?

Basically the Patriots' concept (and the one lots of teams should be using) is to take those star QBs, give them a huge chunk of change frontloading the contract and extend it out as long as possible to give the player guaranteed money up front and the team cap security in the future.

 

[Henry Ford]

If you do that, building around a star QB theoretically becomes significantly easier than building around a star "anything else."  Because a QB is significantly less likely to get a season- or career-ending injury than, say, a DE or LB or RB or WR or whatever else you'd build your team around.  You can't front-load star players other than QBs that heavily and make out long term, because once one of those guys goes down you've lost a huge amount of money on the deal.

 

[SoBeDad]

Never judge your team's offense by how it does against Miami. After last week's destruction of Miami, it looked like the Packet offense was complete with a great running and passi game. The Lions thought the same thing a few weeks ago. 

 

[heckmanm]

You pay a QB or he goes somewhere else and you pray you draft another one wishing you had a good QB. You don't let them walk. It is what it is.

Seattle has drafted poorly last few years. Not sure why GB sucks. 

From @Dr. Danin the Packers thread:

Q: What are the 2 things all of these players have in common?

Damarius Randall
Quinten Rollins 
Ty Montgomery
Jake Ryan
Brett Hundley
Aaron Ripkowski

A: They are our entire 2015 draft class AND they are all no longer on the team

Seattle doesn't have a monopoly on bad drafting recently.

 

[The General]

From @Dr. Danin the Packers thread:

Seattle doesn't have a monopoly on bad drafting recently.

Definitely not.

You are going to pay someone on your team. You pay a franchise QB when you find one is my point, easiest way to improve a team. If you can get creative with their deal and salary cap then even better.

QB's are so good coming out of college now that you can get a guy that can step in a lead the team immediately. Seahawks got this with Wilson. When you hit that lotto ticket you need to cash in because in 4 years you will be paying that guy, I'm looking at you Rams and KC.

 

[Hooper31]

It baffles me that anyone would point to Seattle as an example of paying the QB means they took too much of a cap hit. They paid EVERYONE. Yes, everyone. All the stars were signed to new deals. Thomas, Chancellor, Sherman, Bennett, Avril, Wagner, Wright, Baldwin. They all got into new contracts. All of them. Hell, they even threw money at free agents to boot while drafting a ton of O-linemen

The reality? Players get hurt. They're still paying Chancellor (next year too). It happens. They can't all stay healthy. The real decline happened not due to a money shortage, but because guys got hurt. It happens.