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Passengers are out of control on flights (1 Viewer)

Dickies said:
I've never seen a cat on board a flight I've been on, but if there was I would probably talk to someone to resolve it.  If needed I would probably just take a different flight rather than risk it.  I can't see a situation where I handle it to the point of being dragged off a flight.
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I just looked it up, at least on Southwest i guess you can take a cat.  Be careful out there when flying!

 
NutterButter said:
I'm just glad that this has turned out the way it has post-event.   I was really worried that the consensus would be that she was justified.    There's still hope for humanity.   
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It's way past time to put these idiots in their place. She got what she deserved.

 
John Bender said:
Ive spent way too much time travelling thus month..

This I hate...

Crowding around the gate before departure so people can't get through when their section is called. 

People who have to dry hump the baggage carousel even 20 mins before the bags get there so much so that you have no ####### #### at seeing your bag if it actually goes by and isn't a hot pink one with Minnie Mouse on it. It's not that difficult for everyone to stand 3-5 feet away from the carousel and wait until you see something that looks like your bag before stepping up and #### blocking everyone else's view.

If the plane has just landed, Unless you have a tight connection, sit the #### down and chill out. It takes a while before row 25 is getting off this Bad Larry. Relax, no need to jump 3 rows ahead, stop and help someone with their bag or something. 

Guy who boards early, then goes in the opposite direction of loading  traffic to get to the bathroom near the cockpit. Cmon bruh. 

Will edit as I sit here contemplating an Amtrak membership 
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Tom Price alias?

 
John Bender said:
I'll take this lady over constantly being surrounded by people sneezing, coughing up lungs, sniffling, and blowing their nose every single time I sit next to someone on a plane or an airport. 

(currently stuck in an airport in the middle of a 3 hour delay) :rage:
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If you are in ORD hit me up....delay here too....free drinks in United Club.

And I once had a cat on my flight.  Seats 1a and 1b in first class.  Cute girl, I started sneezing wondering what was at her feet, she said her cat in a carrier (i'm allergic), and asked her to keep the cover on the carrier and she was cool.  Still thought it was bull#### but thats flying nowadays.  Hit 130k this year on the way out....way too many stupid people.  I feel bad for the Flight Crew.  Entitled stupid people.

 
glvsav37 said:
30 years ago, people didn't have 'emotional support animals' or 'life threatening allergies' both handcuffed with the 'I'm going to do whatever I want and screw everyone else' attitude. 

30 years ago, you got an a plane—it was also sort of a luxury back then, not a $69 wanna get away fare—sat your ### down and ate your bag of peanuts w/o worrying about someone screaming at you. We could also visit the cockpit and get plastic wings back then too, but this is why we can't have nice things.    

agreed
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30 years ago the plane was a flying smoking lounge too. 

 
Dickies said:
I'm extremely allergic to cats to the point where it would kill me if I am around them for an extended period of time.  Even being around a cat owner with no cat present if I'm not on my medication can cause my airway to become restricted.  Granted I carry medication in situations like this, but I can see where she is coming from.
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I get it.  My daughter has to take an injectable medication every weekend that I administer to her.  When ever we travel I have to bring it carry on bc it also needs to be refrigerated.   

Bc my daughter's health requires it, you can be damn sure that I have a letter from my doc to show TSA at least a month before we travel so there is no issues with me taking it on the palne.  It's just a thing I add to my travel requirements because I had to. 

that said, if this girl was as "deathly allergic" she should be carrying a note at all times.  

 
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Dickies said:
I've never seen a cat on board a flight I've been on, but if there was I would probably talk to someone to resolve it.  If needed I would probably just take a different flight rather than risk it.  I can't see a situation where I handle it to the point of being dragged off a flight.
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Not to worry you, but I bet cats and dogs are on your flights than you think.  My fiancé has a miniature schnauzer that we pay $95 for each way on southwest flights.  Animals (outside of service ones) arent supposed to be out of a carrier while at the airport.  We follow this rule and keep the dog in his carry on case.  It looks like an oversized purse (actually more like a fancy bowling ball bag that would hold two bowling balls) and can just be put over your shoulder.  People think its just a travel bag until we reach in to pet him or give him water or whatever.  Fits right under the seat in front of us and doesnt make a sound.  He is hypoallergenic though so thats helpful.  Im also allergic to cats and dogs but never have problems around this dog.  

 
People are awful. This isn't news.

At some point, the "rights" of the individual became more important than common sense and what is good for the group. 

 
I would take a couple of dogs instead of most people.  She did seem a little intoxicated though..

Why don`t people comply?? 

 
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I have a pretty bad dog allergy.  It's bad enough that I get an attack by being near some dog owners.  I wouldn't say it's life threatening though, but exposure to dogs can mess me up for days on end.  Been a few times I probably should have gone to the urgent Care or ER for it. 

No, I don't carry an epi-pen.  My allergist recommends, but it's easier to just avoid exposure...that, and pre-treating with Allegra generally does the trick.

If I was on a plane with a dog, depending on my frame of mind I might pitch a fit too.  There are few things that would freak me out more than being in an enclosed tube for hours on end at 36k feet, no Allegra, and a dog near by.  Couple the allergy with anxiety, add lack of sleep, alcohol, and frustration with being treated like cattle, and you have a recipe for trouble.

If the dog stayed in a baggie or something, maybe that would be ok.  But so many #######s out there think everyone wants to pet their dog and so they are quick to show off that mongrel...

I would add that while a dog allergy may not be bad on it's own, it can compound other things.  For me, it's not the runny nose/itchy eyes, it's that it triggers my asthma to the point where my rescue inhaler (which I have carried in my pocket since 1983) doesn't give me relief.  If I was recovering from the flu, or if my asthma was already teetering on uncontrolled (i.e. spring fever could do it), extended exposure to a dog could be a potential hospitalization event.

 
moleculo said:
I have a pretty bad dog allergy.  It's bad enough that I get an attack by being near some dog owners.  I wouldn't say it's life threatening though, but exposure to dogs can mess me up for days on end.  Been a few times I probably should have gone to the urgent Care or ER for it. 

No, I don't carry an epi-pen.  My allergist recommends, but it's easier to just avoid exposure...that, and pre-treating with Allegra generally does the trick.

If I was on a plane with a dog, depending on my frame of mind I might pitch a fit too.  There are few things that would freak me out more than being in an enclosed tube for hours on end at 36k feet, no Allegra, and a dog near by.  Couple the allergy with anxiety, add lack of sleep, alcohol, and frustration with being treated like cattle, and you have a recipe for trouble.

If the dog stayed in a baggie or something, maybe that would be ok.  But so many #######s out there think everyone wants to pet their dog and so they are quick to show off that mongrel...

I would add that while a dog allergy may not be bad on it's own, it can compound other things.  For me, it's not the runny nose/itchy eyes, it's that it triggers my asthma to the point where my rescue inhaler (which I have carried in my pocket since 1983) doesn't give me relief.  If I was recovering from the flu, or if my asthma was already teetering on uncontrolled (i.e. spring fever could do it), extended exposure to a dog could be a potential hospitalization event.
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Yeah, but would you get on a flight without mentioning your allergy to the airline?

 
moleculo said:
I have a pretty bad dog allergy.  It's bad enough that I get an attack by being near some dog owners.  I wouldn't say it's life threatening though, but exposure to dogs can mess me up for days on end.  Been a few times I probably should have gone to the urgent Care or ER for it. 

No, I don't carry an epi-pen.  My allergist recommends, but it's easier to just avoid exposure...that, and pre-treating with Allegra generally does the trick.

If I was on a plane with a dog, depending on my frame of mind I might pitch a fit too.  There are few things that would freak me out more than being in an enclosed tube for hours on end at 36k feet, no Allegra, and a dog near by.  Couple the allergy with anxiety, add lack of sleep, alcohol, and frustration with being treated like cattle, and you have a recipe for trouble.

If the dog stayed in a baggie or something, maybe that would be ok.  But so many #######s out there think everyone wants to pet their dog and so they are quick to show off that mongrel...

I would add that while a dog allergy may not be bad on it's own, it can compound other things.  For me, it's not the runny nose/itchy eyes, it's that it triggers my asthma to the point where my rescue inhaler (which I have carried in my pocket since 1983) doesn't give me relief.  If I was recovering from the flu, or if my asthma was already teetering on uncontrolled (i.e. spring fever could do it), extended exposure to a dog could be a potential hospitalization event.
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So if there is a paying passenger (dog) what do you do?  I am sure that you don't have proof (no idea what you one would provided) that you cannot be in close proximity to dogs.  Do you just ask to be re-seated?  ask them to deny access to the flight to the dog owner?    

 
bryhamm said:
Yeah, but would you get on a flight without mentioning your allergy to the airline?
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Of course not.  I don't expect to be exposed to dogs when I travel.

It used to be that I could have a pretty good expectation to not be around dogs while out in public.  These days, I can't go to Lowe's without tripping over some dogs leash because Madison thinks it's cute to take Fido into a store.

 
sbonomo said:
So if there is a paying passenger (dog) what do you do?  I am sure that you don't have proof (no idea what you one would provided) that you cannot be in close proximity to dogs.  Do you just ask to be re-seated?  ask them to deny access to the flight to the dog owner?    
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I would ask to be re-seated.  That would probably be fine.  Probably.

 
Wow. I'm allergic to cats, but not deathly allergic or anything. Just itchy eyes, sneezing, etc.  If someone next to me had their cat with them, I'd be annoyed as all get out. Not like this lady, mind you. I'd probably just sit there stewing in silence, as is my M.O. more often not. 

 
Koya said:
First, this lady sounds atrocious.

That said, it's not like people today are different from those travelling ten, twenty, thirty years ago... but the experience has become so pained and segregated.

Between having to pay for anything other than a middle seat, pay for luggage but then get stuck with no room to store it on the plane, increasingly rude and entitled airline staff, long lines sometimes even at TSA pre checks...flying has gone from novelty and luxury to fun to perfunctory to difficult to pain in the ### to emotionally exhausting and frustrating.

Doesnt excuse the behavior of most, but air travel has become just so darn stressful, it has pushed people's restraint to its limit. Worse so if you don't fly that often, are scared to a bit to begin with and don't have the money to afford TSA pre, non middle seats in the way back that board with no room for carry ons and the like. You then watch all the other people have a "somewhat" less stressful time and you end up with the short stick.

People can only have so much of a fuse and to a large degree in GENERAL, the airlines are to blame.

Again, doesn't excuse the behavior but helps us understand it.

and screw this entitled piece of crap. 
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It's not excusing the behavior, but this sure sounds a lot like excusing the behavior.

Emotionally exhausting and frustrating?  When sitting in a middle seat and having to actually pay to transport your luggage (is that really a crazy concept) is emotionally exhausting and frustrating...I'm not sure how you cope with real problems.

 
What is the infatuation nowadays with taking pets every #######g place you go? Can't even go to an outdoor bar and have a beer anymore without having to step over 14 animals. I don't get it.

 
bigbottom said:
Wait a minute. People can bring cats and dogs on the plane that aren't certified service animals?
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Things are a lot different these days.

Not only do they bring them on flights, but they bring them into restaurants and pretty much everywhere one wouldn't expect them to be before. They're called "emotional support animals". Which I understand and feel for those that really need one. But unfortunately there's a bunch of people who just go to some website and get their dog they got at petland a "certificate" as an emotional support animal, and then make all these businesses think that makes them "service animals". The businesses then treat them like they're federal regulated, when they're not. 

I think NBC did a segment on how easy it is to abuse. They bought a dog at a pet store and within hours had a certificate, which if you read carefully it said it had no legal standing whatsoever anywhere, but congrats, your pet is a certified emotional support animal. They then used it to take their dog on flights and such. 

Things like this are why a hate doing anything in public anymore. 

 
Politician Spock said:
Things are a lot different these days.

Not only do they bring them on flights, but they bring them into restaurants and pretty much everywhere one wouldn't expect them to be before. They're called "emotional support animals". Which I understand and feel for those that really need one. But unfortunately there's a bunch of people who just go to some website and get their dog they got at petland a "certificate" as an emotional support animal, and then make all these businesses think that makes them "service animals". The businesses then treat them like they're federal regulated, when they're not. 

I think NBC did a segment on how easy it is to abuse. They bought a dog at a pet store and within hours had a certificate, which if you read carefully it said it had no legal standing whatsoever anywhere, but congrats, your pet is a certified emotional support animal. They then used it to take their dog on flights and such. 

Things like this are why a hate doing anything in public anymore. 
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We are just talking about people that pay and bring their pets on. No registration needed.

 
parasaurolophus said:
We are just talking about people that pay and bring their pets on. No registration needed.
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And that's never really been a problem. They ride under the seat in front of you. 

The problems started when people found out you 1) didn't have to pay extra; and 2) could have your pet on your lap, by getting it "registered" as an emotional support animal. Here's the NBC article I mentioned before about the scam: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Emotional-Support-Animals-Growing-Problem-on-Flights-318728371.html

The numbers they present for how the problem is growing are staggering. And their numbers only go up to 2011. It's gotten a lot worse in the last six years. 

And these people scamming the airlines with this are also the ones scamming restaurants. That's why as others mentioned in this thread, people are bringing their pets everywhere now. 

Great quote from the article I linked:

That same attendant tells NBC5 that her airline discourages attendants and gate staff from challenging the validity of an ESA or an ESA letter, for fear of a lawsuit.​

“The same people who ‘game’ the system are also the same people who are most likely to make a scene if you try to challenge them on their animal or animals, so we are strongly encouraged to ‘just deal,’” the attendant says.​

F### these scammers. If I was someone who really needed an emotional support animal, I"d really be pissed off at all these people just scamming the rules that exist for them. These people probably have fake handicap parking tags too. 
 

 
DallasDMac said:
What is the infatuation nowadays with taking pets every #######g place you go? Can't even go to an outdoor bar and have a beer anymore without having to step over 14 animals. I don't get it.
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I actually love riding next to passengers with pets but, I love dogs so to each there own I suppose.  Point is this lady is an idiot and I hope she spends a day or two in jail to think about how she reacted.  My opinion of course.

 
DallasDMac said:
What is the infatuation nowadays with taking pets every #######g place you go? Can't even go to an outdoor bar and have a beer anymore without having to step over 14 animals. I don't get it.
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No kidding. My wife and I moved in a new place a few month ago and enforced a no animal policy (for guests) for the time being while we're getting settled and trying to keep the space clean. My sister in law got all upset and took it as a personal attack against her dog. For some reason, some people can't be apart from their animals even when visiting relatives for a few hours. It's bizarre.

 
saw a woman at walmart with a huge doberman yesterday.  startled the #### out of me as i rounded the corner.  no service animal vest.  just standing there on the leash ready to maul some pour soul.  ridiculous

 
i love doggies they are fun to pet and they will get a stick for you if your throw it and brohans that is about the best damned thing ever take that to the bank 

 
EYLive said:
No kidding. My wife and I moved in a new place a few month ago and enforced a no animal policy (for guests) for the time being while we're getting settled and trying to keep the space clean. My sister in law got all upset and took it as a personal attack against her dog. For some reason, some people can't be apart from their animals even when visiting relatives for a few hours. It's bizarre.
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I am a huge dog lover but i understand they are not for everyone.  I try to be respectful when i take them places.  I always have a bag just-in-case, never let them go up to people, etc.  Leaving them home for a few hours is a complete non-issue.  I would never expect anyone to have my dogs over.....

 
RokNRole said:
The eternal battle between people that like animals and people that suck
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I like animals. I just don't understand the compulsion to take them everywhere and assume everyone else must like them too. Seems rather selfish and self absorbed don't you think?

 
EYLive said:
No kidding. My wife and I moved in a new place a few month ago and enforced a no animal policy (for guests) for the time being while we're getting settled and trying to keep the space clean. My sister in law got all upset and took it as a personal attack against her dog. For some reason, some people can't be apart from their animals even when visiting relatives for a few hours. It's bizarre.
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My wife and I enforce the same policy but for children under 12.  Oddly enough, same sister in law issue.

 
DA RAIDERS said:
saw a woman at walmart with a huge doberman yesterday.  startled the #### out of me as i rounded the corner.  no service animal vest.  just standing there on the leash ready to maul some pour soul.  ridiculous
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Wasbit foaming at the mouth or something?

 
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