Passengers are out of control on flights (1 Viewer)

[belljr]

As much as I think these "service animals" are out of control I will say this 

A really good friend of mine is pretty normal.   Except she is deathly afraid of flying.

When we were in college and we travel she would just get plastered before the flight. (and still be panicked)

She has taken many trips where she drives the 10+  instead of taking the 2 hour flight.

 

[Godsbrother]

As much as I think these "service animals" are out of control I will say this 

A really good friend of mine is pretty normal.   Except she is deathly afraid of flying.

When we were in college and we travel she would just get plastered before the flight. (and still be panicked)

She has taken many trips where she drives the 10+  instead of taking the 2 hour flight.

I don't see how a "service animal" helps in this regard unless of course the pet can either fix or fly the plane if there is an emergency.  In that case I am definitely cool with the animal being on the plane. 

 

[TheFanatic]

As much as I think these "service animals" are out of control I will say this 

A really good friend of mine is pretty normal.   Except she is deathly afraid of flying.

When we were in college and we travel she would just get plastered before the flight. (and still be panicked)

She has taken many trips where she drives the 10+  instead of taking the 2 hour flight.

A two hour flight requires getting there two hours ahead of time, plus the drive to the airport from home, checking luggage, going through security, then possibly circling the destination for 30-60 minutes and then waiting at the baggage carousel for up to an hour. That 2 hours can quickly become 5 hours plus a bunch of hassles. 

I'm not driving 10 hours rather than flying. But at 7 hours, I'm thinking about it. 

 

[Bobcat10]

Hard to imagine a destination city like Cleveland doesn't have enough non-stops going in and out of it.

Impressive post. 

Used to be a Continental/United hub until a few years ago.  But I'm sure you knew that, Einstein.  

 

[IC FBGCav]

Yep, it is horrible.  My drive radius for work has ballooned the past couple years.  And I only travel approx once every month or two.  Hate flying more and more every time.  I can't get to many places direct anymore either and that opens up all kinds of other issues.

Yesterday I was the only person on the plane with an open seat next to me.  But of course there was some weight/balance issue and some wide dude volunteered to move from the front to the middle of the plane next to me.  I worked hard pinning down that seat!  I'd have taken the chance...

I upgraded to get the first seat on the left for a flight.   Got moved to the last seat on the right.   I was livid.

 

[TheFanatic]

I upgraded to get the first seat on the left for a flight.   Got moved to the last seat on the right.   I was livid.

Did you get your money back?

 

[msommer]

A two hour flight requires getting there two hours ahead of time, plus the drive to the airport from home, checking luggage, going through security, then possibly circling the destination for 30-60 minutes and then waiting at the baggage carousel for up to an hour. That 2 hours can quickly become 5 hours plus a bunch of hassles. 

I'm not driving 10 hours rather than flying. But at 7 hours, I'm thinking about it. 

With an autonomous car designed for comfort, I'd be more than thinking about it. And I like flying. But hate, HATE, airports

 

[IC FBGCav]

Did you get your money back?

I'm not sure if they credited my card back or not.  It was like 15 dollars to pick a preferred seat thing.

 

[TheFanatic]

With an autonomous car designed for comfort, I'd be more than thinking about it. And I like flying. But hate, HATE, airports

You know what, I never thought about it that way, but that's how I feel too. Flying doesn't bother me at all. It's actually kind of cool. Flying into NYC on the left side of the plane from St. Louis is one of the coolest thing I've ever seen. Or flying over the Grand Canyon and then into the Vegas Airport. Epic. But the airports themselves. Yeah, a self driving car would be pretty sweet. I had to drive to Wisconsin twice in March of this year. About a 5 hour drive. What killed me was not being to get anything done for 5 hours. 

 

[TheFanatic]

I'm not sure if they credited my card back or not.  It was like 15 dollars to pick a preferred seat thing.

That's what I was referring too. Some airlines charge close to $30 for that. I would;ve used that as an excuse to not have to move. Or at least try to. 

 

[IC FBGCav]

That's what I was referring too. Some airlines charge close to $30 for that. I would;ve used that as an excuse to not have to move. Or at least try to. 

This was a couple years ago but I definitely mentioned it and she said something like that they plane won't take off unless that seat was empty or some bs.

 

[TheFanatic]

This was a couple years ago but I definitely mentioned it and she said something like that they plane won't take off unless that seat was empty or some bs.

"Then that seat should've not have been available for me to switch," is what I would've said. "And why is that seat filled on every other flight I've ever taken and now it's the doomsday seat that will crash the plane?"

 

[sbonomo]

I think people bring emotional support animals on flights because they want to enjoy the experience, not because they want to get somewhere faster. 

or troll on random internet boards....hmmmm who's worse?

 

[Johnny Rock]

"Then that seat should've not have been available for me to switch," is what I would've said. "And why is that seat filled on every other flight I've ever taken and now it's the doomsday seat that will crash the plane?"

Sir, since you're being unruly and threatening, you leave me no choice but to call Security. :manhandle:

 

[5Rings]

Yeah, this happens all the time on the RJs and Embrasia planes.  Not much you can do.

 

[Short Corner]

Impressive post. 

Used to be a Continental/United hub until a few years ago.  But I'm sure you knew that, Einstein.  

Why the hell would I know that?

 

[kentric]

Sir, since you're being unruly and threatening, you leave me no choice but to call Security. :manhandle:

You would then give no choice but to bring you to court. :jackpot:

 

[Politician Spock]

or troll on random internet boards....hmmmm who's worse?

Airlines don't provide an ignore feature. 

 

[IC FBGCav]

Airlines don't provide an ignore feature. 

Sure they do it's called 1st class.

 

[Christo]

A two hour flight requires getting there two hours ahead of time, plus the drive to the airport from home, checking luggage, going through security, then possibly circling the destination for 30-60 minutes and then waiting at the baggage carousel for up to an hour. That 2 hours can quickly become 5 hours plus a bunch of hassles. 

I'm not driving 10 hours rather than flying. But at 7 hours, I'm thinking about it. 

One hour at the baggage carousel? WTH airports do you go to?

 

[DallasDMac]

One hour at the baggage carousel? WTH airports do you go to?

The one hour baggage carousel ones. Duh.

 

[TheFanatic]

One hour at the baggage carousel? WTH airports do you go to?

I used to travel 50% of the year for work and waiting an hour for luggage was not that uncommon. 

 

[msommer]

I used to travel 50% of the year for work and waiting an hour for luggage was not that uncommon. 

Another reason people refrain from checking bags, thus overloading the overhead racks (and the stupid airlines let them), causing delay and extra chaos

 

[Christo]

I used to travel 50% of the year for work and waiting an hour for luggage was not that uncommon. 

I've never waited an hour for bags. Even on an international flight.

 

[TheFanatic]

I've never waited an hour for bags. Even on an international flight.

You lucky duck!

 

[RUSF18]

With an autonomous car designed for comfort, I'd be more than thinking about it. And I like flying. But hate, HATE, airports

You know what, I never thought about it that way, but that's how I feel too. Flying doesn't bother me at all. It's actually kind of cool. Flying into NYC on the left side of the plane from St. Louis is one of the coolest thing I've ever seen. Or flying over the Grand Canyon and then into the Vegas Airport. Epic. But the airports themselves. Yeah, a self driving car would be pretty sweet. I had to drive to Wisconsin twice in March of this year. About a 5 hour drive. What killed me was not being to get anything done for 5 hours. 

The only kind of person who should hate the airport itself, but is otherwise fine with sitting in a cramped seat for hours breathing in recycled air and not really being able to get up and move, is someone who stays sober.

 

[TheFanatic]

The only kind of person who should hate the airport itself, but is otherwise fine with sitting in a cramped seat for hours breathing in recycled air and not really being able to get up and move, is someone who stays sober.

Once I'm settled in my seat, I'm perfectly content. A laptop or a book or my phone is all I need to stay occupied for hours. I sit 8 hours a day at a desk. What's the big deal to sit on a plane for a couple hours? And recycled air? If we did a smell test of recycled air vs air in your office, I'm guessing nobody could tell the difference. This sounds like an aversion to flying is all in your head, because it's not all that bad. Sure if a behemoth sits next to you it can be cramped. But most of the time that's not the case. 

 

[Politician Spock]

Delta gives :middlefinger: to passengers with fake emotional support animals

 

[Chaka]

Delta gives :middlefinger: to passengers with fake emotional support animals

Good move but I wonder what the downside is of signing the documents that says your pet is cool. It didn't sound like an indemnity agreement so, what's the downside?

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

Good move but I wonder what the downside is of signing the documents that says your pet is cool. It didn't sound like an indemnity agreement so, what's the downside?

Agreed.  This move doesnt really seem to do much, if anything.   I’d assume  (maybe a bad assumption) that most people keep their dogs up to date on shots, and then all your doing is signing a sheet of paper.  Doesnt sound like there is any consequences.  Now if they required a vet note and a training certificate, that would deter some.

My wife and I travel with our dog about 4-5 times a year when we head back home to see her family.  We pay $95 each way for him to stay in his carry on luggage under my wife’s seat.   Costs us more to fly the dog than it does for the wife and I since I have a ton of points and the companion pass.  

 

[Osaurus]

Shame.  I just got the papers for my emotional support porcupine.  

 

[Jobber]

Delta gives :middlefinger: to passengers with fake emotional support animals

This is already working. This emotional support animal scam was simply passengers wanting to bring Spot on vacation with them. Instead of paying the $125 fee each way for their dog, they claimed it was for emotional support and thus free.

Anecdotally, Its already having an effect.

 

[NutterButter]

This is already working. This emotional support animal scam was simply passengers wanting to bring Spot on vacation with them. Instead of paying the $125 fee each way for their dog, they claimed it was for emotional support and thus free.

Anecdotally, Its already having an effect.

I have to imagine even if you pay the $125, you still can't bring in the cabinet.   As a dog owner, that would be my bigger desire especially when you hear some dying in cargo holds.  

 

[bagger]

Delta gives :middlefinger: to passengers with fake emotional support animals

Gtfo with “emotional support animals”.

 

[Politician Spock]

I have to imagine even if you pay the $125, you still can't bring in the cabinet.   As a dog owner, that would be my bigger desire especially when you hear some dying in cargo holds.  

As long as the carrier fits under the seat in front of you, yes you can carry it on. 

 

[NutterButter]

As long as the carrier fits under the seat in front of you, yes you can carry it on. 

Which doesn't apply to the majority of dogs.   

 

[Politician Spock]

Which doesn't apply to the majority of dogs.   

And you think holding them on your lap while flying is a solution to that problem?

 

[NutterButter]

And you think holding them on your lap while flying is a solution to that problem?

I have no idea where they're kept on a flight.  Just saying that I'd bet that's there a fair amount of people that "claim" their dog is an emotional support animal to avoid having to put them in the cargo hold; not to avoid paying $125.   That at least would be my biggest concern.  

 

[Politician Spock]

I have no idea where they're kept on a flight.  Just saying that I'd bet that's there a fair amount of people that "claim" their dog is an emotional support animal to avoid having to put them in the cargo hold; not to avoid paying $125.   That at least would be my biggest concern.  

So you don't fly regularly. Good to know the context of your opinion. 

 

[NutterButter]

So you don't fly regularly. Good to know the context of your opinion. 

Sorry.  Didn't realize there was a frequent flier mileage requirement to take part in this discussion.   

 

[Jobber]

I have no idea where they're kept on a flight.  Just saying that I'd bet that's there a fair amount of people that "claim" their dog is an emotional support animal to avoid having to put them in the cargo hold; not to avoid paying $125.   That at least would be my biggest concern.  

An animal costs $125 a flight.

Emotional support animals are free.

Delta now requires proof of shot AND a letter from a physician stating the passenger requires the animal for “reasons”.

Many people are now abandoning this tactic because it now costs them to get the note, and its a pain in the butt.

 

[NutterButter]

An animal costs $125 a flight.

Emotional support animals are free.

Delta now requires proof of shot AND a letter from a physician stating the passenger requires the animal for “reasons”.

Many people are now abandoning this tactic because it now costs them to get the note, and its a pain in the butt.

If its not an emotional support animal, can you still keep the dog on your lap or at your feet?

 

[Jobber]

If its not an emotional support animal, can you still keep the dog on your lap or at your feet?

They are supposed to be kenneled the whole flight, but some people do take them out anyway. In some cases, celebrity animals (no I did not mistype that) can have seats purchased for them.

 

[NutterButter]

They are supposed to be kenneled the whole flight, but some people do take them out anyway. In some cases, celebrity animals (no I did not mistype that) can have seats purchased for them.

In that case, me personally, the fact that I can keep my dog at my feet and/or on lap rather than a cargo hold is the big factor.   The $125 is pretty inconsequential when it comes to my beloved friend.   Now you're telling me that a trip to the primary for $20 saves me $100 and I can still keep my little fluffy at my feet, that's a no brainer.   

 

[Jobber]

In that case, me personally, the fact that I can keep my dog at my feet and/or on lap rather than a cargo hold is the big factor.   The $125 is pretty inconsequential when it comes to my beloved friend.   Now you're telling me that a trip to the primary for $20 saves me $100 and I can still keep my little fluffy at my feet, that's a no brainer.   

Oh yeah, I definitely agree. My only problem was the shady emotional support fee avoidance people.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Gtfo with “emotional support animals”.

The whole thing is ridiculous. The doctor should just prescribe an emotional support care bear. 

 

[Christo]

A friggin emotional support peacock 

 

[Josie Maran]

A friggin emotional support peacock 

  Beautiful.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Can I claim my wife is my emotional support animal and thus she flies for free?

 

[bigbottom]

Can I claim my wife is my emotional support animal and thus she flies for free?

Can you shove her under the seat in front of you?