Patriots looking for a 1st and 4th for Garoppolo (2 Viewers)

[FUBAR]

I keep hearing a #1 for the Pats but IMO that #33 pick has got to be gold for BB...right in his wheelhouse...now if the combines come around and the rookie QBs look bad and a bidding war for Jimmy G breaks out than his price could go up...but right now outside of the Texans the teams that on paper could be eying him have first-round picks that are just too high...getting that #33 and something else in the 2018 draft would be a nice return...I guess one other area that has not been looked at is if the Browns have any players the Pats could be intrigued by...I would say Haden but I think he has a monster deal...

I'd hate to see it, but Duke Johnson would do well in NE. He doesn't replace Blount as they're different styles but the pats could probably use another back.  Crowell shouldn't go.  But adding a player seems unlikely unless it's an older guy. 

 

[Boston]

I'd hate to see it, but Duke Johnson would do well in NE. He doesn't replace Blount as they're different styles but the pats could probably use another back.  Crowell shouldn't go.  But adding a player seems unlikely unless it's an older guy. 

I like Duke but with Lewis and White (and possibly Foster) that would be redundant...if the Pats were looking at a Cleveland RB Crowell would make far more sense...

 

[daveR]

I think the fact the Pats have a big group of free agents this offseason is getting confused as a cap issue by some...speaking of free agents there is a lot of money on the line for some of these guys...have a big game on Sunday and they could put themselves in a nice position to cash in...

This is what I was alluding to -- lots of FAs on the horizon.  If they intend to keep most of them, money will get tight (IMO).  If they choose a long-term sustainable outlook, it'll be tricky.  On the other hand, if they want to make a HUGE splash in 2017, the space is there.

My guess, regarding JG, is they will look for multiple future picks to be included.  So, something like #33 + 2018 fourth + 2019 fifth.

 

[massraider]

This is what I was alluding to -- lots of FAs on the horizon.  If they intend to keep most of them, money will get tight (IMO).  If they choose a long-term sustainable outlook, it'll be tricky.  On the other hand, if they want to make a HUGE splash in 2017, the space is there.

My guess, regarding JG, is they will look for multiple future picks to be included.  So, something like #33 + 2018 fourth + 2019 fifth.

They have less salary cap problems than most. Their two most expensive upcoming free agents are on the Cards and Browns.  

They don't have a 24 mill QB, they don't have a 8 mill a year RB, a 14 mill a year WR, a 15 mill a year lass rusher, or a 10 mill a year safety.  

Malcolm Butler, that's their biggest ticket item coming up, and he's a RFA, so he may  very well wind signing a cheaper deal in order to get money right away.  

They have a bunch of role players who know they are replaceable. Guys like Long/Floyd/Sheard/Branch/Blount/Ryan etc. have done a nice job, and can all bve replaced by someone else who will do a nice job.  

 

[FUBAR]

I like Duke but with Lewis and White (and possibly Foster) that would be redundant...if the Pats were looking at a Cleveland RB Crowell would make far more sense...

I think Duke is better than White or Foster.  Lewis, not so sure about but he's not a workhorse either.  Crowell would fit well but I'd think the Browns would want to keep one of their 3 decent players on offense.

 

[Run It Up]

Pats have salcap concerns upcoming.

They're gonna have 60+million in space. Got 3-4 players to resign.

 

[Boston]

I think Duke is better than White or Foster.  Lewis, not so sure about but he's not a workhorse either.  Crowell would fit well but I'd think the Browns would want to keep one of their 3 decent players on offense.

He is better than White and Foster...I would rather have Lewis...either way he doesn't address a need for them...if they are gonna add a RB I would rather see more of an all-purpose back that can do more than what Blount does (as Anarchy has been saying)...

 

[kyoun1e]

He's ahead of Jared Goff, IMO.

Exactly.

 

[flapgreen]

People keep saying two teams, when there have well more than two teams rumored to have actual interest.

Niners, Bears, Cards, im sure there others.

Most likely all sources coming from the Pats

 

[flapgreen]

He's ahead of Jared Goff, IMO.

Why

 

[Run It Up]

Most likely all sources coming from the Pats

Hyuck

 

[Bossman]

He's ahead of Jared Goff, IMO.

Just because Garopollo knows how to call a play in the huddle and take a snap from under center ... that doesn't put him ahead of Goff.

... oh, wait ... yes it does.

Teams that should have interest in Garopollo:

• Arizona Cardinals
  
• Cleveland Browns
  
• New York Jets
  
• San Francisco 49ers
  
• Chicago Bears
  
• Houston Texans
  
• Buffalo Bills
  

 

[Anarchy99]

Here are the front-runners to land Garoppolo, Romo in NFL's QB shuffle. There will be multiple suitors for Tom Brady's backup and the Cowboys veteran.
by Jason La Canfora

The jostling for the few intriguing quarterbacks on the market has already begun. The NFL Combine is still weeks away, while the start of the league year is over a month away, but deep, internal strategic discussions are ongoing in several quarterback-needy front offices. These clubs are outlining their offseason plans at the most critical position in football, and targets have already been set.

The Chicago Bears will make a strong, concerted effort to acquire quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo from the Patriots, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The Illinois native is far and away their top offseason priority.

The Cowboys will listen to offers for Tony Romo, sources said, once owner Jerry Jones has his meeting with the Pro Bowl quarterback. Romo prefers to be moved to a contending team -- specifically, the Texans, Cardinals, Broncos and Chiefs. The Bills also have significant interest in Romo, team and league sources said, though they realize that it might be a tough sell. The Bills have not given up hope on retaining Tyrod Taylor on a lesser contract, too, though that may be wishful thinking on their part at this point.

Many teams view Garoppolo as the best option of all potential free-agent or trade targets, and the Bears will have competition. Teams like the Browns, Jets and 49ers could provide opposition, but the Bears' intent and willingness to complete a trade could not be more serious. Quarterback is an acute need -- the Bears are moving on from Jay Cutler -- and jobs are on the line there after two poor seasons from the John Fox and Ryan Pace regime. The Bears have abundant draft picks they could trade -- including picks in the top three of each round -- and while rival executives do not believe the Patriots will land a first-round pick that high via trade, a package including multiple high second-round picks is quite possible. Furthermore, trading Garoppolo out of the AFC would appeal to the Patriots, who expect him to prosper elsewhere.

The Bears have done extensive work on Garoppolo and are very comfortable with him. He shined in the preseason and was exceptional filling in for Tom Brady during his four-game suspension and has strong roots to that community. He played at Eastern Illinois, where Pace played as well. Romo, Mike Shanahan and Saints coach Sean Payton are also Eastern Illinois products; Pace and Payton worked together in New Orleans and were very high on Garoppolo coming out of college.

The Bears are prepared to engage in talks on Garoppolo at the combine later this month, or sooner if need be. Trades cannot be officially consummated, however, until the league year begins in March. The Bears acknowledge it will be difficult to land much of anything for Cutler, with other teams preferring to not trade for him and instead wait for him to be cut to then sign him to a cheaper contract, though a suitor could emerge.

The Jets have strong evaluations on Garoppolo, but realize it's virtually certain Bill Belichick would not trade the prized young passer within the division. The 49ers are very high on the Redskins' Kirk Cousins, sources continue to maintain, but Washington will franchise the impending free agent quarterback and is prepared to engage in talks in a lucrative long-term deal with him. It would take a huge haul of picks to pry Cousins away, and new 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan, who along with his dad drafted Cousins in Washington, has a ravaged roster with needs at every position. Paying that kind of draft pick price could be prohibitive. The Bears also have done significant work on Cousins, but with the Redskins going to franchise him and that process playing out perhaps throughout the offseason, the timing may not work out and this team can't afford to be left without a seat in these musical quarterback chairs.

The Browns have stockpiled draft picks (again) and will explore multiple quarterback options, and they and the Jets are highly intrigued by North Carolina quarterback Mitch Trubisky, as we first reported months ago. Texans coach Bill O'Brien is a big believer in Garoppolo as well, but he is stuck with Brock Osweiler's salary for another year, and he is planning on giving Tom Savage every opportunity to win that starting job, sources said. Ownership has already declared the need to draft a quarterback.

Romo's market will be robust as well. The Chiefs have to make a determination on whether he, or any other option, would give them a better opportunity to win a Super Bowl than Alex Smith does. Smith has already played out the guaranteed portion of his contract. If so, Smith would be a trade-worthy commodity as well. While some reported the Cowboys may just let Romo walk, the demand for him should be such that Jerry Jones gets a strong return on his investment. Some GMs opined that the Cowboys would get a second-round pick, plus potentially another high pick based on Romo's playing time (injuries have dogged him in recent years).

The Broncos are likely inclined to give Paxton Lynch, their first-round pick in 2016, every chance to take the starting reigns there, so a trade might not match up. Fitting Romo under the salary cap with Osweiler would be a challenge for the Texans. If Carson Palmer retires, Romo could be an option, and sources said the Cardinals are very high on Clemson quarterback Deshaun Watson and could be prepared to trade up to land him this spring. If the Cardinals determine Watson is out of their reach, Tyrod Taylor is very appealing to Arizona and would be a great fit in Bruce Arians' scheme.

Buccaneers backup quarterback Mike Glennon is viewed as the best of the free agent quarterbacks set to hit the market, and his market will further come into focus after the chase for Garoppolo and Romo concludes.

 

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13 pages on a possible Jimmy G trade??

Patriots. 

 

[Niles Standish]

This is what I was alluding to -- lots of FAs on the horizon.  If they intend to keep most of them, money will get tight (IMO).  If they choose a long-term sustainable outlook, it'll be tricky.  On the other hand, if they want to make a HUGE splash in 2017, the space is there.

My guess, regarding JG, is they will look for multiple future picks to be included.  So, something like #33 + 2018 fourth + 2019 fifth.

Getting rid of Collins and Jones really minimized that issue.  Butler, Hightower, Sheard, Ryan, Vollmer are the bigs coming up I believe although I might be missing somebody (Sheard has fallen out of favor in the latter portion of the year so I'm not sure they're likely to keep him and Vollmer might not be in their plans).  If they do want to keep those guys they have a whole lot of cap room.

 

[Boston]

 Getting rid of Collins and Jones really minimized that issue.  Butler, Hightower, Sheard, Ryan, Vollmer are the bigs coming up I believe although I might be missing somebody (Sheard has fallen out of favor in the latter portion of the year so I'm not sure they're likely to keep him and Vollmer might not be in their plans).  If they do want to keep those guys they have a whole lot of cap room.

Agreed (and good point on Jones and Collins)...in the big scheme of things Butler and Hightower are the big two...they (along with McCourty) are the foundation of this D and signing them is priority #1 this offseason...Butler is a legit #1 CB and Hightower is a stud and one of the leaders of this team although he has had his injury issues...I like Ryan but he fits the profile of someone who will get overpaid in free-agency...between the unexpected emergence of Marcus Cannon and serious back issues Vollmer's days with the Pats are probably over and I wouldn't be surprised if he retired...Sheard is an odd one...he looked like a candidate to make big money this offseason but has had his struggles...so much so that if the Pats don't want to move on from him he could be affordable...the other big free agent (somewhat unexpectedly) is Alan Branch...he has really risen his game and become a force in the middle...he would be a tough loss...he is 32 so I don't see the Pats going crazy for him but hopefully they can bring him back on something like a two-year deal...Harmon is a free agent and it will probably be pure dollars and cents with him...the Pats will probably make him an offer that is less than what he can make on the open-market...if no one overwhelms him he hopefully comes back but if he can make good money he probably goes as this maybe his one shot at cashing in...Bennett is a another free agent and I have no clue what the Pats feel about him going forward or what he is looking for...if he is looking for one more big deal it won't be with the Pats...

 

[Boston]

Love this quote from the article above...hope it's true:

The Chicago Bears will make a strong, concerted effort to acquire quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo from the Patriots, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The Illinois native is far and away their top offseason priority.

 

[Anarchy99]

We are starting to veer off topic, but Bennett strikes me as the type that when happy and respected would play because he likes playing. A could be way wrong, but all season he has been calling from the highest mountain top about how he loves it here. I don't think he is looking to break the bank, and I really don't think he would want to play somewhere else. I think if NE makes a reasonable offer he'll be back. What we don't know is if the Pats are as in love with Bennett.

 

[nightmare]

You got everybody except C Long and C Fleming. Lots of free agents, lots of cap space.
I'd like to see them re-sign all of these guys and build from there. 

 

[nightmare]

Call me crazy but I'd like to see them keep Jimmy G for the one year as injury insurance.
 

 

[Bossman]

Call me crazy but I'd like to see them keep Jimmy G for the one year as injury insurance.
 

Crazy.

Expensive insurance policy as you would be sacrificing a pretty high draft pick(s) in a trade ... just to watch him walk after next season ... and possibly sign with the JETS? BILLS?   

Unless the Pats did the franchise and trade thing that they did with Castle. 

 

[Moonlight]

Patriots again using the rope a dope stratagem ala Matt Cassell. Patriots continue to abuse other teams in trades.

 

[Run It Up]

After all the back and forth on who might go after Jimmy G. 

I hope he remains in New England. A different set of arguments for him to remain in New England.

Id love for him to stay, there just isnt a world where Brady and Jimmy are on the same roster in 2017 and Brady isn't going anywhere.

 

[FUBAR]

Romo's market will be robust as well. The Chiefs have to make a determination on whether he, or any other option, would give them a better opportunity to win a Super Bowl than Alex Smith does. Smith has already played out the guaranteed portion of his contract. If so, Smith would be a trade-worthy commodity as well. While some reported the Cowboys may just let Romo walk, the demand for him should be such that Jerry Jones gets a strong return on his investment. Some GMs opined that the Cowboys would get a second-round pick, plus potentially another high pick based on Romo's playing time (injuries have dogged him in recent years)

[Hijack] there is literally no chance the Chiefs trade a 2nd round pick for romo, none.  

If romo is released, there might be a 10% chance the Chiefs sign him, but he's not better than Smith.  A healthy romo might be a slight upgrade but it's been three years since he played more than 4 games and hasn't played all 16 in five, and he's 4 years older than Alex.[/Hijack]

 

[Grahamburn]

Patriots again using the rope a dope stratagem ala Matt Cassell. Patriots continue to abuse other teams in trades.

This thing finalized already?

 

[Grahamburn]

IMO this is what makes Jimmy G so intriguing...he is not a free agent you have to risk handing out a big contract for like Osweiler or Flynn... 

Maybe your definition of intriguing is different from mine, but trading a premium pick and possibly more for 1 year of an unproven player doesn't blow my dress up all that much. 

If he's so intriguing why wouldn't NE keep him? 

 

[Bossman]

What seemed like a wasted pick at the time, Belichick drafting a QB in the 2nd round had logic on at least two levels.

1st - If Brady should not play to his recent ability ... due to injury or age

2nd - Incentive for Brady to put forward maximum effort during off-season, pre-season, and between games, to keep his job. 

Brady has said several times that he doesn't want anyone taking his job. Seems Brady is very motivated to stay playing at a high level ... and having Garopollo behind him may be one reason why.

He was in Garopollos shoes sitting behind Bledsoe. Brady watched it happen to Bledsoe and doesn't want to go out like Bledsoe did.

 

[Boston]

Maybe your definition of intriguing is different from mine, but trading a premium pick and possibly more for 1 year of an unproven player doesn't blow my dress up all that much. 

If he's so intriguing why wouldn't NE keep him? 

I guess your definition is...he is an intriguing prospect...a second round pick who plays the premiere position in the NFL who had a nice college career who looked good in his limited time starting for the Pats...I said intriguing not definite...and from all accounts I have been reading it seems NFL teams agree that he is intriguing...

As for the Pats question is that really difficult to understand?  He is playing behind an all-world QB who is at the top of his game and has stated he plans to play another five years...since Garropolo only has one year left on his deal with the Pats and there appears to be a nice trade market for him dealing him probably makes more sense than keeping him...the Pats also invested a third round pick in another QB and it appears they like him as well...if Garropolo had two or three years left on his deal the Pats would probably keep him...but he doesn't and it makes zero since to pay two QBs big money in 2018... 

 

[Grahamburn]

I guess yours is...he is an intriguing prospect...a second round pick who plays the premiere position in the NFL who had a nice college career who looked good in his limited time starting for the Pats...I said intriguing not definite...and from all accounts I have been reading it seems NFL teams agree that he is intriguing...

As for the Pats question is that really difficult to understand?  He is playing behind an all-world QB who is at the top of his game and has stated he plans to play another five years...since Garropolo only has one year left on his deal with the Pats and there appears to be a nice trade market for him dealing him probably makes more sense than keeping him...the Pats also invested a third round pick in another QB and it appears they like him as well...if Garropolo had two or three years left on his deal the Pats would probably keep him...but he doesn't and it makes zero since to pay two QBs big money in 2018... 

You didn't say he was an intriguing prospect.  I can agree with you if that's what you meant.  I took your post to mean his situation is intriguing.  At the cost of a 1st and a 4th with only one year of control I don't think he's intriguing at all.  You mentioned him not being a free agent, but in my mind that makes him less valuable to another team, because they have to give up assets to acquire him without really knowing what he is.  Then, if he does happen to turn out to be an intriguing prospect after letting him start for a year the acquiring team either has to sign him to a long term deal, franchise him, or lose him. 

I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd to find out what he is. 

A hypothetical:

What if Houston would have given up a first and a fourth before Osweiler hit free agency?

In my mind the Texans are in a much better spot to simply be on the hook for some guaranteed money vs. the alternative of giving up two potentially impact players with several years of control for a guy who obviously isn't starter material.

We'll see if a team like Chicago will give up a premium pick and try to sign him to an extension before he ever steps foot on Soldier Field.  They likely will, because dumb organizations are dumb.

 

[Boston]

You didn't say he was an intriguing prospect.  I can agree with you if that's what you meant.  I took your post to mean his situation is intriguing.  At the cost of a 1st and a 4th with only one year of control I don't think he's intriguing at all.  You mentioned him not being a free agent, but in my mind that makes him less valuable to another team, because they have to give up assets to acquire him without really knowing what he is.  Then, if he does happen to turn out to be an intriguing prospect after letting him start for a year the acquiring team either has to sign him to a long term deal, franchise him, or lose him. 

I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd to find out what he is. 

A hypothetical:

What if Houston would have given up a first and a fourth before Osweiler hit free agency?

In my mind the Texans are in a much better spot to simply be on the hook for some guaranteed money vs. the alternative of giving up two potentially impact players with several years of control for a guy who obviously isn't starter material.

We'll see if a team like Chicago will give up a premium pick and try to sign him to an extension before he ever steps foot on Soldier Field.  They likely will, because dumb organizations are dumb.

I think his contract is a plus...if he was a free agent you would be looking at an Osweiler contract for a QB who still has question marks...while I think he is intriguing there have been many cases with QBs in his situation that have not worked out...right now Houston will be paying Osweiler 18 million dollars to suck next year...would you rather have 18 million in cap space or the draft picks it will take to get Garropolo?  With Garropolo's deal you do not have the exposure of committing big money...if he works out you will have zero issues paying him or using the franchise tag...if he doesn't you let him walk without taking a big cap-hit...I would not do something like this for any other position other than QB...there is just too much on the line at this position...it is tough to win regularly without a good QB but a bad/mediocre QB with a bad contract kills you as well...why commit big money to him without seeing him play regularly when you have the ability to control him for three years? 

 

[Anarchy99]

After reading the comments from some folks in this thread, if they were a GM, they would be playing only 10 guys on offense. They don't want to invest draft picks or spend money on a quarterback. 

Is it a coincidence that a bunch of teams that haven't won a SB in recent history (perhaps ever) all need quarterbacks? BUF, NYJ, HOU, CHI, CLE all fall in that catagory. 

More than ever the NFL is a passing league. It's becoming hard and harder to be competitive without a top QB. Some teams may luck out and find someone decent without breaking the bank or gutting their cache of draft picks. But after several attempts at shopping at Walmart without success, those teams will have to step up and pay the going rate or even overpay to get out of the mess they are in. 

 

[Bossman]

People seem to put too much value in the 1st round pick...

I argue that the Browns might be better served to take a more proven commodity in Garopollo than waste another 1st rd pick.

Perhaps a look back at how the Browns have utilized these premium first round picks to reinforce that theory.

These guys should be the core of the team after 3 or 4 years right?

Browns 1st Round Picks:

Trent Richardson #3 2012

Brandon Weeden #22 2012

Barkevious Mingo #6 2013

Justin Gilbert #8 2014

Johnny Manziel #22 2014

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Looking back, you don't think the Browns would give up any one of those guys for Garopollo and his upside?

 

[Grahamburn]

I'm obviously 14 pages behind, so I don't know where Patriots' fans are on this topic as far as their expectations for a return on Jimmy Garoppolo are.  I think if any GM of the teams Anarchy just listed gave up their 1st and 4th for one year of JG they should be fired immediately. 

Patriots' fans are kind of spoiled.  It actually isn't easy to find a franchise QB.  Once you have one and know it drafting becomes much easier.  In my opinion BUF, NYJ, HOU, CHI, CLE should all look at drafting someone and developing them for 5 years while they're under team control instead of spending draft assets for one year of a guy we know nothing about.  

A college career and 3 regular season games worth of tape isn't enough to determine anything on JG.    You'd think these GMs would be somewhat wary of dealing with NE's QB castoffs.  Shopping the Patriots' organization for a QB isn't anything like Wal-Mart.  You shop the NE organization and pay premium prices for horrible merchandise. 

 

[Thunderlips]

People seem to put too much value in the 1st round pick...

I argue that the Browns might be better served to take a more proven commodity in Garopollo than waste another 1st rd pick.

Perhaps a look back at how the Browns have utilized these premium first round picks to reinforce that theory.

These guys should be the core of the team after 3 or 4 years right?

Browns 1st Round Picks:

Trent Richardson #3 2012

Brandon Weeden #22 2012

Barkevious Mingo #6 2013

Justin Gilbert #8 2014

Johnny Manziel #22 2014

.

Looking back, you don't think the Browns would give up any one of those guys for Garopollo and his upside?

The point keeps coming back...how "proven" is JG?

Being Brady's backup isn't a definitive way to NFL success.

Being a QB on a BB team doesn't automatically afford you NFL success.

Let's stop thinking this guy is can't miss.  Sure, if you want to use the reasoning that "If JG was coming out of college THIS year...he'd be a number___ pick".   But that line of reasoning doesn't indicate ANY "proven commodity".  

 

[Anarchy99]

In my post a few minutes ago, that had nothing to do with what teams would offer for JG. It had more to do with the Monday Morning GM's posting in here that seemingly don't want to spend money on quarterbacks, don't want to part with draft picks on quarterbacks, and don't want to invest a top draft pick to draft a quarterback. Then where are they going to get a decent QB from? Bottom tier guys in free agency?

i have no idea what the Pats can get for Garappolo. But there may be 30 teams that wouldn't touch him and one team that has mad love for him. Someone will probably overpay, and then hoodie will move him. 

The other issue is that just because a team needs a QB doesn't always mean the solution is taking one with an early pick or giving a team a wheelbarrow of picks for one. 

My Walmart comment was meant more for the teams that have not had a decent QB in seemingly forever and then thinking there is a cheap, easy fix like signing someone like Fitzpatrick and drafting several QBs in the 2nd or 3rd rounds in favor of defensive players early. The Jets went bold one year and took Dirty Sanchez, but even at the time that seemed like he was drafted way too early. But the Jets decides they would rather bring Revis back than spend that money on a QB. I guess each team operates differently, but it seems like getting stability and productivity out of the QB spot would be a top priority for any team. 

 

[JohnnyU]

In my post a few minutes ago, that had nothing to do with what teams would offer for JG. It had more to do with the Monday Morning GM's posting in here that seemingly don't want to spend money on quarterbacks, don't want to part with draft picks on quarterbacks, and don't want to invest a top draft pick to draft a quarterback. Then where are they going to get a decent QB from? Bottom tier guys in free agency?

i have no idea what the Pats can get for Garappolo. But there may be 30 teams that wouldn't touch him and one team that has mad love for him. Someone will probably overpay, and then hoodie will move him. 

The other issue is that just because a team needs a QB doesn't always mean the solution is taking one with an early pick or giving a team a wheelbarrow of picks for one. 

My Walmart comment was meant more for the teams that have not had a decent QB in seemingly forever and then thinking there is a cheap, easy fix like signing someone like Fitzpatrick and drafting several QBs in the 2nd or 3rd rounds in favor of defensive players early. The Jets went bold one year and took Dirty Sanchez, but even at the time that seemed like he was drafted way too early. But the Jets decides they would rather bring Revis back than spend that money on a QB. I guess each team operates differently, but it seems like getting stability and productivity out of the QB spot would be a top priority for any team. 

Does JG provide stability and productivity on another team?  The track record of NE back up QB castoffs should have other teams running for the hills.

 

[Anarchy99]

The point keeps coming back...how "proven" is JG?

Being Brady's backup isn't a definitive way to NFL success.

Being a QB on a BB team doesn't automatically afford you NFL success.

Let's stop thinking this guy is can't miss.  Sure, if you want to use the reasoning that "If JG was coming out of college THIS year...he'd be a number___ pick".   But that line of reasoning doesn't indicate ANY "proven commodity".  

Remove the can't miss part and replace with looks as good or better than guys coming out of college. How much of a king's ransom have teams given in recent years to move up in the draft? Multiple first round picks to start and more. Those rookies were not proven at the NFL level, yet teams jumped at the chance to draft them. Maybe Garoppolo was undervalued coming out of college. Again, I am not propping JG on a pedestal and trying to say he is the next Aaron Rodgers. But if there are NFL scouts and evaluators that see him as a good investment, I don't think it would be crazy that the Pats got something good in return for trading him. 

 

[Grahamburn]

When was the last time a QB who was signed in free agency had great success?  When was the last time a QB who was traded had great success? 

Drew Brees?  Carson Palmer for a year?  Peyton Manning?  All those guys were pretty much proven commodities as well and their organizations had another guy waiting in the wings ready to go.

The point is great QBs don't typically hit free agency or get traded.  All GM's know it's a passing league.  If finding a great QB was easy all the teams would have one.

JG might turn out to be a great QB, but I wouldn't give up what the Patriots are asking to find out.  In fact, if Belichick is looking to get rid of him I'm not sure I'd want him at all.

 

[Grahamburn]

Remove the can't miss part and replace with looks as good or better than guys coming out of college. How much of a king's ransom have teams given in recent years to move up in the draft? Multiple first round picks to start and more. Those rookies were not proven at the NFL level, yet teams jumped at the chance to draft them. Maybe Garoppolo was undervalued coming out of college. Again, I am not propping JG on a pedestal and trying to say he is the next Aaron Rodgers. But if there are NFL scouts and evaluators that see him as a good investment, I don't think it would be crazy that the Pats got something good in return for trading him. 

The length of time you have control of the player is extremely important in this situation.

 

[Anarchy99]

Does JG provide stability and productivity on another team?  The track record of NE back up QB castoffs should have other teams running for the hills.

I don't thing the Pats track record for drafting QB's under BB has been THAT bad. Obviously they took Brady, but Cassel hadn't started a game since high school and became serviceable. And Hoyer bounced around but hasn't been horrible. People need to remember that since they had Brady, they were mostly drafting QB projects or guys that might do all right as a backup. They weren't looking to make a big splash at the top of the draft. 

If there is a position no one should even consider taking a NE retread it's at WR. The guys they pick just haven't working out in NE or anywhere else. 

As for Garappolo, I am not saying he would provide stability or productivity. But some franchises seem to think that a QB is going to fall from the skies or Santa will bring them one under their Christmas tree. 

IMO, JG has soon that he has earned a shot at being a starter in the NFL. I will let the teams themselves debate what that is worth in acquisition costs. That's are far as I would go in predictions. I have no idea how well he would do, other than I would guess he would do pretty well if he were the QB of the Patriots. Stick him on any of the other 31 teams and who knows what would happen. But that would apply to a lot of players. 

 

[Nigel]

 In fact, if Belichick is looking to get rid of him I'm not sure I'd want him at all.

Not sure why anyone would get hung up on this. They have a top three QB in Brady who conservatively should play another 3 years at a high level, which makes keeping JG a luxury. The Pats have maintained success by being the best at spreading their cap dollars intelligently among all positions. Bill could think VERY highly of him but still want to move him if the return is fair. And based on what I saw, watching ever snap he took this year, a 1st & 4th seems like a reasonable price for both sides if it happens. He's more of a sure thing than any QB in the draft. 

 

[Boston]

Garropolo had over 50 TDs his senior year in college...he was a second-round pick (the highest pick at QB in the BB era)...he has played/studied under BB/McDaniels/Brady in an NFL offense for three years...he looked very good in his limited time playing...right now there is more on his resume than any college QB...now that doesn't mean he is the next John Elway or even Kirk Cousins (or that he is better than a Watson or the UNC kid) but it does mean he is a legit NFL prospect at the most important position in the NFL and has the potential to be a good NFL QB...I don't see how there can be any debate about that...as for control any team that takes him has control over him for three years (or just one if he busts)...as for what a Pats fan would like to get back I think a high second with another solid pick or two would be very welcome...hopefully the rookies don't look good at the combine and his value goes up...

As for other Pats back-up QBs...the only one that looked like more than a back-up was Cassel...he had a decent run in KC but ultimately was more of a high-end back-up...he was also a kid the Pats used a seventh round pick on after being a back-up at USC...pretty unconventional...the other decent back-up was Hoyer....he was an undrafted QB who has turned into another high-end back-up...there has not been a prospect (I repeat prospect) on the level of Jimmy G in the Pats era...I really don't think you can compare anyone to him in the BB era... 

 

[Grahamburn]

Not sure why anyone would get hung up on this. They have a top three QB in Brady who conservatively should play another 3 years at a high level, which makes keeping JG a luxury. The Pats have maintained success by being the best at spreading their cap dollars intelligently among all positions. Bill could think VERY highly of him but still want to move him if the return is fair. And based on what I saw, watching ever snap he took this year, a 1st & 4th seems like a reasonable price for both sides if it happens. He's more of a sure thing than any QB in the draft. 

History?

How is he more of a sure thing?  The guy had two decent games against two mediocre teams with the best schematic organization in the NFL and an entire off-season to prepare for that showcase.

And any QB drafted in the first round is guaranteed to be on your team for 4 years if you want them to be, and you'll have a 5th year option.  JG has one year left on his deal.  There's nothing sure about this guy.

 

[nightmare]

Crazy.

Expensive insurance policy as you would be sacrificing a pretty high draft pick(s) in a trade ... just to watch him walk after next season ... and possibly sign with the JETS? BILLS?   

Unless the Pats did the franchise and trade thing that they did with Castle. 

We watched Jimmy G get hurt at the beginning of this season and then J Brissett get hurt to the point of where he could barely
throw a football. Suppose T Brady goes down week 5 or 6 and we are looking at J Brissett as "the guy" who is going to take the
Pats how deep into the playoffs? Compound that with the Pats would then be looking at a rookie/fa as the 2nd stringer behind 
Brissett. 

Both M Patricia and Josh Mcd are returning so this team is built to win right now and next year. Keep that going. 

 

[FUBAR]

What seemed like a wasted pick at the time, Belichick drafting a QB in the 2nd round had logic on at least two levels.

1st - If Brady should not play to his recent ability ... due to injury or age

2nd - Incentive for Brady to put forward maximum effort during off-season, pre-season, and between games, to keep his job. 

Brady has said several times that he doesn't want anyone taking his job. Seems Brady is very motivated to stay playing at a high level ... and having Garopollo behind him may be one reason why.

He was in Garopollos shoes sitting behind Bledsoe. Brady watched it happen to Bledsoe and doesn't want to go out like Bledsoe did.

Call Brady whatever you want, except lazy.  The guy doesn't need extra motivation.  He wants to be the GOAT and has a work ethic we all can aspire to.

After reading the comments from some folks in this thread, if they were a GM, they would be playing only 10 guys on offense. They don't want to invest draft picks or spend money on a quarterback. 

Is it a coincidence that a bunch of teams that haven't won a SB in recent history (perhaps ever) all need quarterbacks? BUF, NYJ, HOU, CHI, CLE all fall in that catagory. 

More than ever the NFL is a passing league. It's becoming hard and harder to be competitive without a top QB. Some teams may luck out and find someone decent without breaking the bank or gutting their cache of draft picks. But after several attempts at shopping at Walmart without success, those teams will have to step up and pay the going rate or even overpay to get out of the mess they are in. 

that's a bit of a stretch.  Many of us just don't want to overpay for a guy we don't have faith in.

 

[daveR]

If there was a can't miss, franchise QB available, would the Browns spend 1.01 on him?  Of course!  That's not what the question is.  The question is, do you spend it despite knowing that the QB will take a few years to develop and most likely will never reach the elite level?  Do you roll the dice & pass on Garrett, et al?

IMO, the best option for my Browns is to play both ends against the middle.  That is, if possible acquire JG AND draft someone.

 

[Interseptopus]

Sounds like Chicago is interested in him... I would LOVE for them to trade 1.03 for JimmyG. Throw in a 4th round pick too while you're at it Chicago. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

Sounds like Chicago is interested in him... I would LOVE for them to trade 1.03 for JimmyG. Throw in a 4th round pick too while you're at it Chicago. 

Chicago may be a mess right now but they're not that stupid.

 

[Thunderlips]

Remove the can't miss part and replace with looks as good or better than guys coming out of college. How much of a king's ransom have teams given in recent years to move up in the draft? Multiple first round picks to start and more. Those rookies were not proven at the NFL level, yet teams jumped at the chance to draft them. Maybe Garoppolo was undervalued coming out of college. Again, I am not propping JG on a pedestal and trying to say he is the next Aaron Rodgers. But if there are NFL scouts and evaluators that see him as a good investment, I don't think it would be crazy that the Pats got something good in return for trading him. 

That's fair.   

I stand by my CLE.....they give NE their (Eagles) first and some type of later pick(s) and NE gives them JG and their first. 

 

[Elodin]

Echoes some of the sentiment of the week: https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/827608709396361221

I don't know how connected he is etc but he hit pretty consistently with all the coaching vacancies and such. 

Makes sense... If they grade Garoppolo higher than say Trubisky/Watson/Kizer, then you draft Garrett, trade the 12 for Jimmy G and come out of the draft thinking you have your franchise QB set and a franchise DE.

Not going to argue whether Jimmy G deserves to be traded for a 12 or whether he is worth it or not but it is a move that makes sense if teams scout him as being a better option than the available QBs in the draft.