Patriots looking for a 1st and 4th for Garoppolo (2 Viewers)

[Anarchy99]

I can come up with an equally applicable opposite example. Brett Favre started 297 games in a row, had all the feeling in his finger tips, and still managed to see his play decrease after the age of 40. It happens to people who have an injury history and it happens to those who started every game their entire career until their last season in the league. 

You can't honestly sit there and say that you think Brady will perform the exact same as he did this year? That his play will not decrease due to his age? Without the help of "supplements" 

Color me skeptical... 

I am not suggesting that Brady will continue on at his 2016 pace. You brought up Favre, so let's start there.

At age 36: 20 TD, 29 INT, 70 passer rating
At age 37: 18 TD, 18 INT, 72 passer rating
At age 38: 28 TD, 15 INT, 95 passer rating
At age 39: 22 TD, 22 INT, 81 passer rating

Now let's look at Brady:

At age 36: 25 TD, 11 INT, 87 passer rating
At age 37: 33 TD, 9 INT, 97 passer rating
At age 38: 36 TD, 7 INT, 102 passer rating
At age 39: 28 TD, 2 INT, 112 passer rating (in 12 games)

Brady is multiple steps ahead of Favre production wise at the same age (and he's likely much healthier). By that I mean, Brady is still one of the top producers in the NFL right now. For argument's sake, let's say he has one more year as a Top 3-5 QB, another in the Top 5-10, and another in the Top 10-15. I don't think that is an unreasonable expectation if he is healthy. Perhaps by then the Pats may have to rely more on running and playing top defense instead of Brady throwing the ball 50 times a game to win.

It is unlikely Brady is going to start throwing dumb passes and putting up 22 or 29 INT's. He should still be able to read defenses and should be able to deliver short passes even is he is 42.

The biggest risk for Brady (and many other QB's mind you) is taking a monster hit and not getting up off the mat. I think that is much more of a concern at this point than whether he is going to fall off of Max Kellerman's cliff.

 

[Interseptopus]

Solid example, though I'd counter that how Brady and Favre take care of their bodies are on near opposite ends of the spectrum.  

If Ihad to wager, I'd put my money on Brady defying Father Time like no other player has before him.  

People said the same thing about ADP. "He's a quick healer... if anyone will defy the norm it's him..." Ok maybe not exact quotes but look how fast a guy can go from dominance to practically a non factor! Again, I'm not saying that Brady will turn into Jay Cutler. All I'm saying is that he is going to really start to break down. He has gotten a LOT of work over the last 5 or so years and that will eventually catch up with him. Yes, if anyone is going to break through that 40 year old ceiling, I agree it's Brady, but I'm not convinced he plays at a top level for 2 or 3 more seasons. 

I just think NE is getting a little too cocky with their backup QB situation. They may very well be caught with their pants down this next season. But I guess at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. They like Brissett. They can move JimmyG for a good price. I guess they have full faith in Tom Brady. Which I can't blame them. If I was GM I'd probably do the same thing. But the delusions in here from some about Brady are kind of staggering. 

I do think Brady has some good play left in him, I have to repeat that over and over so I don't get into some weird debate where we are on the same side but the other guy continues to not see the forest through the trees. I just don't see him competing at such a level he showed us this year. He might be fantasy relevant, but who knows. A lot of younger guys who look great. In the end, I think Tom has hoisted his last super bowl trophy as a player. 

 

[Interseptopus]

I am not suggesting that Brady will continue on at his 2016 pace. You brought up Favre, so let's start there.

At age 36: 20 TD, 29 INT, 70 passer rating
At age 37: 18 TD, 18 INT, 72 passer rating
At age 38: 28 TD, 15 INT, 95 passer rating
At age 39: 22 TD, 22 INT, 81 passer rating

Now let's look at Brady:

At age 36: 25 TD, 11 INT, 87 passer rating
At age 37: 33 TD, 9 INT, 97 passer rating
At age 38: 36 TD, 7 INT, 102 passer rating
At age 39: 28 TD, 2 INT, 112 passer rating (in 12 games)

Brady is multiple steps ahead of Favre production wise at the same age (and he's likely much healthier). By that I mean, Brady is still one of the top producers in the NFL right now. For argument's sake, let's say he has one more year as a Top 3-5 QB, another in the Top 5-10, and another in the Top 10-15. I don't think that is an unreasonable expectation if he is healthy. Perhaps by then the Pats may have to rely more on running and playing top defense instead of Brady throwing the ball 50 times a game to win.

It is unlikely Brady is going to start throwing dumb passes and putting up 22 or 29 INT's. He should still be able to read defenses and should be able to deliver short passes even is he is 42.

The biggest risk for Brady (and many other QB's mind you) is taking a monster hit and not getting up off the mat. I think that is much more of a concern at this point than whether he is going to fall off of Max Kellerman's cliff.

I wasn't intending to debate Brady vs Favre. Very different players. You gave an example of Manning and said that Brady doesn't have a history of neck surgeries and he can feel his finger tips, therefore Brady is more likely to play better longer than Manning did. I was just using your same logic with a player who never sat out a game until his final season in the league. I was rendering your injury history point as moot. 

 

[wikkidpissah]

Apparently there was talk among reporters in the press room at halftime after the Brady pick-6 that NE should trade Brady for whatever they could get for him and move on to JG. It sounded like a group of people were convinced Brady was old, slow, and had lost it . . .as evidenced by his and his team's performance in the first half. I'm interested as to who was driving that bus and who got on it, but no names have been dropped so far.

As i've said before, if Jimmy had taken the needle before Game 3, you couldn't have gotten him away from BB with a crowbar & a commissioner and Brady would be going Montana after next season. Without the die2win, JG's a commodity like everyone else.

 

[Anarchy99]

People said the same thing about ADP. "He's a quick healer... if anyone will defy the norm it's him..." Ok maybe not exact quotes but look how fast a guy can go from dominance to practically a non factor! Again, I'm not saying that Brady will turn into Jay Cutler. All I'm saying is that he is going to really start to break down. He has gotten a LOT of work over the last 5 or so years and that will eventually catch up with him. Yes, if anyone is going to break through that 40 year old ceiling, I agree it's Brady, but I'm not convinced he plays at a top level for 2 or 3 more seasons. 

I just think NE is getting a little too cocky with their backup QB situation. They may very well be caught with their pants down this next season. But I guess at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. They like Brissett. They can move JimmyG for a good price. I guess they have full faith in Tom Brady. Which I can't blame them. If I was GM I'd probably do the same thing. But the delusions in here from some about Brady are kind of staggering. 

I do think Brady has some good play left in him, I have to repeat that over and over so I don't get into some weird debate where we are on the same side but the other guy continues to not see the forest through the trees. I just don't see him competing at such a level he showed us this year. He might be fantasy relevant, but who knows. A lot of younger guys who look great. In the end, I think Tom has hoisted his last super bowl trophy as a player. 

The other thing that gets left out of the comparison to all the other QB's before Brady is the rules have changed dramatically. In many ways, it's a two hand touch or flag football league  as it compares to other eras of football.

As far as the Pats not winning another title with TB, I think you are WAY underestimating the rest of the team, BB, and the coaching staff. Let's just say the Pats scored a TD less each week because somehow Brady wasn't as good. In the regular season, the Pats would have lost one more game this year (to the Jets) and still been the top seed in the AFC.

I guess I would be interested to hear how poorly you see TB playing and what that means statistically for the Pats. Does Brady go from 2 INT to 22? Does he go from a 67% completion rate to 54%? You need to unwrap this concept a little more.

 

[ghostguy123]

Maybe NE should just hang on to JG and have him play like 4 or 5 games next year, even if Brady is healthy.  Save Brady a bit, and make a decision next offseason. 

Are the pick or picks they get this year REALLY going to help them much for the 2017 season???  As much as it would help to "rest" Brady for a few games and let JG get some work?   And dare I say, maybe a couple wins in the process?  If any organization could pull this off (both literally and with the fans/media) it would be NE. 

Just a random thought.

I am not in the camp that thinks the Pats HAVE to trade JG. 

As some have said, and it is VERY true, Brady could easily turn into a pumpkin next year, or sustain a serious injury which would essentially end his career. 

The chances of that are probably nil, but who knows.  The Hoodie just might want to try something new.

 

[Boston]

Does anyone really think that BB won't be ready to replace Brady when he is ready to call it quits...seriously, do you think they are gonna wake-up one day and have Brady retire and than look at each other and say we weren't ready for that, what do we do now...I really like Garropolo and if the timing was right I think most Pats fans would be very comfortable with giving him the opportunity to start...but it looks like the timing is not right so in BB language "it is what it is"...when Brady does retire and or loses it they will be ready and I have zero doubt that QB will be in a position to succeed...

 

[Anarchy99]

Maybe NE should just hang on to JG and have him play like 4 or 5 games next year, even if Brady is healthy.  Save Brady a bit, and make a decision next offseason. 

Are the pick or picks they get this year REALLY going to help them much for the 2017 season???  As much as it would help to "rest" Brady for a few games and let JG get some work?   And dare I say, maybe a couple wins in the process?  If any organization could pull this off (both literally and with the fans/media) it would be NE. 

Just a random thought.

I am not in the camp that thinks the Pats HAVE to trade JG. 

As some have said, and it is VERY true, Brady could easily turn into a pumpkin next year, or sustain a serious injury which would essentially end his career. 

The chances of that are probably nil, but who knows.  The Hoodie just might want to try something new.

This is where the football fan and BB do not meet eye to eye. Hoodie will forever be setting his team up for multiple seasons down the road, not just the one he is in. That's why the Pats have been so good for so long. He doesn't sell out the short term future to load up on a single season. BB would be happy to trade JG for picks in future drafts, even if people will be furious that he didn't make a made dash to win it all again in 2017.

And we know that BB doesn't have to be wowed to trade players. He traded Cassel and Vrabel for KC's second round pick. He traded Chandler Jones for a 2nd and a prayer. He send Jamie Collins to Siberia for a conditional 3rd round pick. He probably could have done better on all of those if he really wanted to.

I doubt he will give JG away, but if Jimmy says he would rather be elsewhere as a starter, I doubt Bill is going to force him to sit on the bench and pout and have JG being an unhappy camper.

 

[Anarchy99]

Does anyone really think that BB won't be ready to replace Brady when he is ready to call it quits...seriously, do you think they are gonna wake-up one day and have Brady retire and than look at each other and say we weren't ready for that, what do we do now...I really like Garropolo and if the timing was right I think most Pats fans would be very comfortable with giving him the opportunity to start...but it looks like the timing is not right so in BB language "it is what it is"...when Brady does retire and or loses it they will be ready and I have zero doubt that QB will be in a position to succeed...

And as an addendum to this, do people really think that the Pats are going to go from year after year of 12+ wins to being a 6-10 just because Brady retired?

 

[ghostguy123]

And as an addendum to this, do people really think that the Pats are going to go from year after year of 12+ wins to being a 6-10 just because Brady retired?

Depends who the QB is.  But yeah, maybe. 

 

[ghostguy123]

This is where the football fan and BB do not meet eye to eye. Hoodie will forever be setting his team up for multiple seasons down the road, not just the one he is in. That's why the Pats have been so good for so long. He doesn't sell out the short term future to load up on a single season. BB would be happy to trade JG for picks in future drafts, even if people will be furious that he didn't make a made dash to win it all again in 2017.

And we know that BB doesn't have to be wowed to trade players. He traded Cassel and Vrabel for KC's second round pick. He traded Chandler Jones for a 2nd and a prayer. He send Jamie Collins to Siberia for a conditional 3rd round pick. He probably could have done better on all of those if he really wanted to.

I doubt he will give JG away, but if Jimmy says he would rather be elsewhere as a starter, I doubt Bill is going to force him to sit on the bench and pout and have JG being an unhappy camper.

Maybe this has been discussed, but who are the Pats going to franchise next offseason?

If nobody jumps out, then they could always franchise and trade.  If there is a market now, there would be next year also.

And, as already mentioned, they might even want/need JG to be their QB of the future as early as 2018. 

 

[Interseptopus]

And as an addendum to this, do people really think that the Pats are going to go from year after year of 12+ wins to being a 6-10 just because Brady retired?

Depends who the QB is.  But yeah, maybe. 

As if the Patriots are so good they can trot Jamarcus Russell out there and win a superbowl...

Patriots very well may go 10-6 next season looking at their schedule. If Tom BRady decides to retire after next season then it is very possible they lose 4 more games the following season with an unproven or rookie QB. Yeah, they will have a Plan B ready, but who knows how good plan B will perform? NE fans (like us Packer fans) have been spoiled with 2 generations of excellent QBs. I'm not naive enough to believe that when Rodgers decides to hang up his cleats that his replacement will come in and start dominating. Seems like a lot of (or maybe certain) Patriot fans believe this is the case for when Brady retires. Many reports out there have said BB will retire when Brady retires. So then what? Oh, of course, his successor will be just as awesome. How silly of me... 

I guess I would be interested to hear how poorly you see TB playing and what that means statistically for the Pats. Does Brady go from 2 INT to 22? Does he go from a 67% completion rate to 54%? You need to unwrap this concept a little more.

Predictions are pointless. I see him either getting hurt, playing hurt, or playing less great next season. If you're demanding I give an example of where I think he will perform, I'd put him in the realm of Russell Wilson. About 15th give or take. I'd put my prediction on his stats will look more like 2009/2013. I don't believe he will throw for 30 or more TDs, I believe he will throw double digit INTs, and I don't think he will exceed 4250 passing yards. 

 

[Two Deep]

Does anyone really think that BB won't be ready to replace Brady when he is ready to call it quits...seriously, do you think they are gonna wake-up one day and have Brady retire and than look at each other and say we weren't ready for that, what do we do now...I really like Garropolo and if the timing was right I think most Pats fans would be very comfortable with giving him the opportunity to start...but it looks like the timing is not right so in BB language "it is what it is"...when Brady does retire and or loses it they will be ready and I have zero doubt that QB will be in a position to succeed...

Its my belief they walk out together and BB won't have to worry about the next QB.

 

[Boston]

Its my belief they walk out together and BB won't have to worry about the next QB.

A lot of people think that...I didn't think so but if Brady is going to play as long as he says he is than I could see that happening...

 

[Dr. Octopus]

http://nflspinzone.com/2017/02/07/cleveland-browns-why-patriots-eager-jimmy-garoppolo-trade/

One cannot help but wonder why the Patriots are so motivated to unload their promising backup quarterback...

... One myth that needs to be debunked when it comes to Garoppolo is the idea that the Patriots must move him this offseason. They don’t. 

... the biggest need for the Patriots is the quarterback after Brady.

... why would they be in such a hurry to trade Garoppolo a year before the situation demands it?

 the Patriots believe Garoppolo isn’t a long-term answer

... For all of the positions the Patriots have been able to replace, the list of good quarterbacks the Bill Belichick has produced is as follows: Tom Brady. That’s it.

... it doesn’t make sense for them to deal away the team’s biggest need unless they don’t believe he’s the answer to that need

If only some one asked questions like that earlier in this thread.

 

[Anarchy99]

As if the Patriots are so good they can trot Jamarcus Russell out there and win a superbowl...

Patriots very well may go 10-6 next season looking at their schedule. If Tom BRady decides to retire after next season then it is very possible they lose 4 more games the following season with an unproven or rookie QB. Yeah, they will have a Plan B ready, but who knows how good plan B will perform? NE fans (like us Packer fans) have been spoiled with 2 generations of excellent QBs. I'm not naive enough to believe that when Rodgers decides to hang up his cleats that his replacement will come in and start dominating. Seems like a lot of (or maybe certain) Patriot fans believe this is the case for when Brady retires. Many reports out there have said BB will retire when Brady retires. So then what? Oh, of course, his successor will be just as awesome. How silly of me... 

Predictions are pointless. I see him either getting hurt, playing hurt, or playing less great next season. If you're demanding I give an example of where I think he will perform, I'd put him in the realm of Russell Wilson. About 15th give or take. I'd put my prediction on his stats will look more like 2009/2013. I don't believe he will throw for 30 or more TDs, I believe he will throw double digit INTs, and I don't think he will exceed 4250 passing yards. 

NE went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, who hadn't really started a game in eight years. They went 3-1 this year and Brissett barely even knew 1/3 of the playbook. That's 14-6 without Brady. 

Even if Brady is not version 2.016, the Pats still should have a stout defense, still have the best coach in the business, still have both their coordinators, still manage the cap better than any other team, and should have Gronk coming back. 

The Pats have won 12 or more games 11 times with TB including 7 years in a row. Personally, I think predicting 10 wins is too low, but that's why they play the games. And I'd take the over on 30 TD's with Gronk coming back and Mitchell set to emerge even more. 

 

[Stealthycat]

I don't think it happens often when a Dynasty loses its franchise QB of 15+ years that the team continues winning winning winning.

GB Packers Favre to Rodgers come to mind.

Patriots can get another QB in the future - make the trade now and get picks, worry about a future QB in the future IMO

 

[Niles Standish]

I can come up with an equally applicable opposite example. Brett Favre started 297 games in a row, had all the feeling in his finger tips, and still managed to see his play decrease after the age of 40. It happens to people who have an injury history and it happens to those who started every game their entire career until their last season in the league. 

You can't honestly sit there and say that you think Brady will perform the exact same as he did this year? That his play will not decrease due to his age? Without the help of "supplements"? For 3 more seasons? I'd be surprised for even 1 more season probowl level TBH. Sure he will take snaps and make a few plays. But color me skeptical that he will be performing at such a high level. And I've come around to appreciate Brady and all he's accomplished... 

Father time will catch up with Brady sooner or later.  But Brett Favre might have had the best year of his career at 40.  So I wouldn't be shocked if Brady still looks pretty good next year.  I wouldn't be all that shocked if he started showing signs of age too, but I don't think it will be an immediate cliff without some sort of injury.  I think in the next year or two we will start seeing some signs.  But I expect if he wants to play 3 more years he will be able to.  And at a high (maybe not previous Brady) level.

 

[Gustavo Fring]

Does anyone really think that BB won't be ready to replace Brady when he is ready to call it quits...seriously, do you think they are gonna wake-up one day and have Brady retire and than look at each other and say we weren't ready for that, what do we do now...I really like Garropolo and if the timing was right I think most Pats fans would be very comfortable with giving him the opportunity to start...but it looks like the timing is not right so in BB language "it is what it is"...when Brady does retire and or loses it they will be ready and I have zero doubt that QB will be in a position to succeed...

BB would be a moron not to ride off into the sunset with Brady, whenever he decides to hang em up.  Unless Brady goes down mid-season or something and is forced to early retirement, there is no way BB ever coaches another QB.  

 

[Anarchy99]

The Bears are expected to be all in on JG and are making his acquisition there #1 offseason priority. 

 

[ghostguy123]

BB would be a moron not to ride off into the sunset with Brady

Statements like this are insanely stupid

 

[Gustavo Fring]

Statements like this are insanely stupid

Remind me - how many Super Bowls did BB win without Brady?? 

 

[Hawkeye21]

The Bears are expected to be all in on JG and are making his acquisition there #1 offseason priority. 

Apparently.  QB is their top priority, I'm not sure I believe that Jimmy is that guy though.  I know they're interested and putting together some offers but I can't imagine they would ever consider giving away their first pick.

I also read a rumor that they could make a trade for Gronk since TE is a big need and NE may want to move on from him.

 

[SayWhat?]

Remind me - how many Super Bowls did BB win without Brady?? 

In his five year stint with Cleveland?  Zero.  

And?

 

[ghostguy123]

Remind me - how many Super Bowls did BB win without Brady?? 

Remind me, why is it stupid to continue to do what you love for multi millions?

 

[Boston]

Apparently.  QB is their top priority, I'm not sure I believe that Jimmy is that guy though.  I know they're interested and putting together some offers but I can't imagine they would ever consider giving away their first pick.

I also read a rumor that they could make a trade for Gronk since TE is a big need and NE may want to move on from him.

Where did you hear the Gronk rumor...right now the Pats are actually in a good spot with him...it looked like there was a chance his contract could be an issue but with the injury that probably won't be the case...the injury issues are scary but when he is on the field he is the best...I would hate to see the Pats deal him and if they did the return would have to be very big...

 

[Anarchy99]

I have heard out of town media stirring the pot saying the Pats might look to move him. I have not seen anyone remotely connected to the team suggesting Gronk would be moved. 

 

[Gustavo Fring]

Remind me, why is it stupid to continue to do what you love for multi millions?

I'm just saying the guy is 64 years old, at this point it's not about the money for him I'd venture to guess, as he's already made a ton of money in his career.  Say Brady plays 4 more seasons, that puts him at 68...at some point you need to retire and enjoy the life you worked so hard to have.  I'm sure when the party is over, he won't want to stick around for the cleanup (metaphorically speaking).  

 

[fruity pebbles]

I'm just saying the guy is 64 years old, at this point it's not about the money for him I'd venture to guess, as he's already made a ton of money in his career.  Say Brady plays 4 more seasons, that puts him at 68...at some point you need to retire and enjoy the life you worked so hard to have.  I'm sure when the party is over, he won't want to stick around for the cleanup (metaphorically speaking).  

thing is I think he immensely enjoys exactly what he's doing

 

[Gustavo Fring]

thing is I think he immensely enjoys exactly what he's doing

I don't disagree with that whatsoever, I think anyone would love being in the position he is in.  Will he have the same level of enjoyment though once Brady is done is my whole point - going from being on top of AFC year in and year out with Brady, to a team where there will be QB questions and almost definitely a few years of rebuild (unless they find that Aaron Rodgers in the coming years).  Brady has the rare ability to mask a lot of the offense, since he can literally make just about any guy off the street look like a competent receiver, it makes life easier on the rest of the team and coaching staff.  Take Brady out to scenario, and I just think the job instantly becomes much more of stressful situation, especially in a "what are you doing for me now" mentality of the business.  

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm just saying the guy is 64 years old, at this point it's not about the money for him I'd venture to guess, as he's already made a ton of money in his career.  Say Brady plays 4 more seasons, that puts him at 68...at some point you need to retire and enjoy the life you worked so hard to have.  I'm sure when the party is over, he won't want to stick around for the cleanup (metaphorically speaking).  

Pretty sure nobody is forcing BB to do anything, and if he were to continue to coach it would not make him a moron.  Pretty sure.  Not 100%, but pretty sure.

 

[ghostguy123]

I don't disagree with that whatsoever, I think anyone would love being in the position he is in.  Will he have the same level of enjoyment though once Brady is done is my whole point - going from being on top of AFC year in and year out with Brady, to a team where there will be QB questions and almost definitely a few years of rebuild (unless they find that Aaron Rodgers in the coming years).  Brady has the rare ability to mask a lot of the offense, since he can literally make just about any guy off the street look like a competent receiver, it makes life easier on the rest of the team and coaching staff.  Take Brady out to scenario, and I just think the job instantly becomes much more of stressful situation, especially in a "what are you doing for me now" mentality of the business.  

Hmmm, I bet BB has never considered any of this. 

You should write him a letter.

 

[Gustavo Fring]

Pretty sure nobody is forcing BB to do anything, and if he were to continue to coach it would not make him a moron.  Pretty sure.  Not 100%, but pretty sure.

Sorry I hurt your feelings with that word.  The guy obviously isn't a moron, so I'll admit I was out of bounds by pegging him in that light.  

 

[Gustavo Fring]

Hmmm, I bet BB has never considered any of this. 

You should write him a letter.

R-E-L-A-X - I'm just stating my opinion here, ghost.  You seem to know him all too well, so you can go ahead and relay that message for me.  It'll save me the ink and postage costs.  

 

[Hawkeye21]

Where did you hear the Gronk rumor...right now the Pats are actually in a good spot with him...it looked like there was a chance his contract could be an issue but with the injury that probably won't be the case...the injury issues are scary but when he is on the field he is the best...I would hate to see the Pats deal him and if they did the return would have to be very big...

It's not really a rumor that it's going to happen more about the possibility that it could happen.  It's nothing but speculation to keep things busy in the off season.

http://sportsmockery.com/2017/02/rob-gronkowski-trade-chicago-bears-real-possibility/

 

[Boston]

It's not really a rumor that it's going to happen more about the possibility that it could happen.  It's nothing but speculation to keep things busy in the off season.

http://sportsmockery.com/2017/02/rob-gronkowski-trade-chicago-bears-real-possibility/

I have not heard anything locally...very odd article...not sure where they are getting the Gronk is an issue angle...seems like BS...he has always been a character but it has also been well-known that he is one of the hardest workers on the team...as well as being one of the more popular ones with his teammates...

 

[Hawkeye21]

I have not heard anything locally...very odd article...not sure where they are getting the Gronk is an issue angle...seems like BS...he has always been a character but it has also been well-known that he is one of the hardest workers on the team...as well as being one of the more popular ones with his teammates...

I believe he's just writing an opinion piece.  I'm not sure he's actually heard any rumors from the Pats.

 

[Boston]

I believe he's just writing an opinion piece.  I'm not sure he's actually heard any rumors from the Pats.

Agreed...the part about Gronk at the parade lost me...Gronk has been like that since day 1...it has zero bearing on how the Pats feel about him...if they ever deal him it will be a pure football decision...

 

[Dr. Octopus]

In his five year stint with Cleveland?  Zero.  

And?

the last HC to get the Browns to the playoffs - that alone should be a testament to his greatness.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

the last HC to get the Browns to the playoffs - that alone should be a testament to his greatness.

Butch Davis fan?

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Butch Davis



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Davis became head coach of the Cleveland Browns in 2001 and led the team to a 7–9 record in his first year, missing the playoffs by a game. The Browns posted a 9–7 record and got a playoff berth in Davis' second year, getting in after winning two close games in a row against the Baltimore Ravens and the Atlanta Falcons.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Butch Davis fan?

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Butch Davis



Cleveland Browns


Davis became head coach of the Cleveland Browns in 2001 and led the team to a 7–9 record in his first year, missing the playoffs by a game. The Browns posted a 9–7 record and got a playoff berth in Davis' second year, getting in after winning two close games in a row against the Baltimore Ravens and the Atlanta Falcons.

No, but my mistake.

 

[Bossman]

Hard to read this and not believe Pats will not come away with a 1st for Garopollo:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785384/article/garoppolo-trade-could-be-perfect-storm-for-patriots

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All the Pats haters can talk about how he's not worth it ..... but this article perfectly explains WHY he is worth it, why it makes sense for both teams involved, and why it will happen.

 

[stbugs]

Hard to read this and not believe Pats will not come away with a 1st for Garopollo:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785384/article/garoppolo-trade-could-be-perfect-storm-for-patriots

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All the Pats haters can talk about how he's not worth it ..... but this article perfectly explains WHY he is worth it, why it makes sense for both teams involved, and why it will happen.

No idea if he's worth it but I love the way the article tries to paint both Goff and Wentz as busts to prove his point that Garoppolo is proven. He went to Eastern Illinois so he's similar to Romo who also went there. Love these fluff pieces, with all the stuff that gets exposed as made up in real news you have to wonder how much of sports journalism is "sponsored" by teams/agents. I'd bet it's way more than we think. 

 

[Boston]

No idea if he's worth it but I love the way the article tries to paint both Goff and Wentz as busts to prove his point that Garoppolo is proven. He went to Eastern Illinois so he's similar to Romo who also went there. Love these fluff pieces, with all the stuff that gets exposed as made up in real news you have to wonder how much of sports journalism is "sponsored" by teams/agents. I'd bet it's way more than we think. 

Not sure where you read that...here is what was written...no mention of the word bust...just a generic statement about the transition from college to pro using the #1 and #2 pick from last year's draft...by the way, I liked what I saw of Wentz last year...I think he's gonna be a good one...

After watching Jared Goff faceplant and Carson Wentz battle major mechanical issues as rookies, NFL teams were served a useful reminder that the transition from college to pro ball is often fraught with immediate growing pains.

 

[JohnnyU]

Ben Volin of the Boston Globe believes the Patriots can expect a second-round pick in return for Jimmy Garoppolo.
With Tom Brady still at the height of his powers, the Patriots will be looking to trade Garoppolo as he enters the last year of his contract. Volin notes that Matt Cassel, Kevin Kolb, Matt Schaub were traded under similar circumstances and all fetched second-round picks. The Bears, Browns and 49ers have already been linked to Garoppolo and more teams could enter the fray as the offseason rolls on. It's hard to say where Garoppolo will land, but it looks like he's played his last down as a Patriot.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Why would a team searching for a long-term solution at quarterback want Jimmy Gorrapolo?

I will start by making the case of one NFL QB skill that he displays that I really like.  He can make a pre-snap read and get rid of the ball quickly.

Unfortunately, once the play begins and he has to get into his second read he doesn't get rid of the ball quickly enough as he waits until his WR separates and breaks open before pulling the trigger.

On slow developing plays, he can buy time by stepping up into the pocket but you can question his pocket awareness if there is edge pressure.

He shows 'some' escapability but even if his receiver breaks open deep, his deep ball accuracy sucks.  It is bad.

His footwork looks solid up until the point of the game where he takes a decent shot and then afterward, he looks tentative and his short accuracy suffers.  Add, if he takes a really good shot he appears brittle.

Is anyone seriously making a case for Jimmy Gorrapolo to become an NFL franchise quarterback?

I don't see it.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I get that teams desperate for a good QB will always overpay if they see just a glimpse out of someone, but let's remember that Garoppolo lucked into a 4-game tryout, and couldn't even get through a game and a half before getting hurt, in the same offense where Tom Brady always manages to stay healthy (save for one nasty shot to the knee 9 years ago).  Buy at your own risk. 

 

[Run It Up]

Thats a weird way to look at it.

 

[stbugs]

Not sure where you read that...here is what was written...no mention of the word bust...just a generic statement about the transition from college to pro using the #1 and #2 pick from last year's draft...by the way, I liked what I saw of Wentz last year...I think he's gonna be a good one...

After watching Jared Goff faceplant and Carson Wentz battle major mechanical issues as rookies, NFL teams were served a useful reminder that the transition from college to pro ball is often fraught with immediate growing pains.

Geez, Pats fans sure are homers. Listen, he didn't say they were busts, but he sure as heck used those words to essentially say the very next line you so conveniently left out:

Young quarterbacks cost jobs

If you are going to say that he wasn't basically saying that Garoppolo is a better choice than Wentz and Goff then I disagree completely. He may be, he may not be, but his whole article was around trying to push Garoppolo to the Browns, 49ers and Bears and how he's a way better option that someone like Wentz and Goff, period.

I just thought it was a crappy article. He didn't say anything about Wentz's first 3 games of 66-101 769 yards, 5 TDs and 0 INTs. That pretty much matches Jimmy's career stats in 3 years of 63-94 690 yards, 5 TDs and 0 INTs, but according to the article, Jimmy is by far a resounding better option that drafting a QB like Wentz early. He's gushing over Jimmy with 2 starts in 3 years yet ignoring that Wentz started the exact same way in his first 3 games. He's ignoring the Brock Osweiler result where a 2nd round backup has a few decent games and then when enough teams get tape on him on a new team without Belichick he's not the stud he's proclaimed to be.

Again, Jimmy could do well, but this article is just a fluff piece and what you think of Wentz has 0 to do with the article. I just think it's naive to think Garoppolo is the best option based on 2 games yet he's already saying he's proven over 1st round rookies after their first year.

 

[stbugs]

Thats a weird way to look at it.

I just look at it as Osweiler had some good games, including a win over the Pats in 2015 that got Denver to the Super Bowl. Wentz started off like gangbusters in 3 games. Anyone saying that Garoppolo isn't a risk because he had a good game against Miami and Arizona is ignoring that he only played because Brady was suspended. Brissett did well for a rookie who hadn't had the benefit of 2 full years as the NE backup. Is Brissett better than Romo, Wentz and Goff as well? There are zillions of instances of QBs with no tape on them having huge games their first starts. Heck, the current coach of Romo once blew up against GB and beat them on Thanksgiving.

As much as the people in here and the reporters who seem to be super fans want to say he's not, Jimmy's as big of a risk as a 1st round QB and very possibly doesn't have the same ceiling.