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Patriots looking for a 1st and 4th for Garoppolo (1 Viewer)
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BobbyLayne
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39 psges & no one predicted this would happen?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
this kind of puts a wrench in the whole cousins to reunite with shanny theory
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Dear 49ers... I sincerely hope this removes you from the amazing QB class that is on the horizon. Much appreciated.
/signed a Steeler fan.
/signed a Steeler fan.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
This incoming 2018 QB class is showing some weakness this year. Maybe that spooked SF.
Huge roll of the dice by the 9ers. Does anyone know if Shanahan pounded the table for this trade or not? They’ve got a truncated period to decide whether they want to throw some serious dollars at Garappolo next year. If it works out it’s going to look brilliant, but why do I have this nagging feeling that Belichek just pulled the wool over someone else’s eyes? It’ll be fun to watch their end and how it works out. It helps that they’ve got Beathard and his rookie deal on the books. Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in their WR on this.
Still, the return for NE isn’t very good. They invested a second round pick and got a higher second round pick in exchange, but lost 3 years of development/production from the original pick. I’d have to give them a lean to a loss on this deal, but at least give them credit for not losing out by trying to recover sunk costs and not being able to turn the deal.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
No.FF Ninja said:
When it was originally floated Mike Lomgardi went off the deep end like a giddy schoolgirl and said he would expect a 'Laurence Welk' type of trade. You know a 'One and a Two and a Three' and he said he would want multiple first round picks. He backed off that but was still pimping multiple draft picks for Garappolo till the draft.
He wasn't the only one in the media caught up in some sort fo click-bait frenzy. Many in different places who wanted a QB were willing to give up the farm for Jimmy-G and they really haven''t been called out for it but they should.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/02/should_the_browns_trade_the_no.html
Schefter originally reported the 1st and 4th price and many in the media jumped all over that and some went much further so they should get called out on a really bad call.
I meant inside this thread. There will always be talking heads that take a contrarian opinion. It's their job.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
It was the consensus opinion in the Cleveland media that the Browns should give up the 12th pick and more for Jimmy G and it was also the consensus of the Patriot fans in this thread that grew to ridiculous lengths based on their attempts to keep that bad take from Schefter alive.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Poor kid
Schefter was asked by some radio personalities what he thought JG would fetch in a trade and he speculated a 1st and a 4th. Then the story took on a life of its own with media speculation and wild fan theories. It's back in this thread around page 10 or so I think. Supposedly it was reported on draft day that multiple teams made offers, but who knows how true that is.
Once again, New England takes advantage of another team. They get a high 2nd for a guy that was going to walk next year. Heard on the radio this morning Mike & Mike talking about an article that said that 2nd round picks are by far the best value in the draft after about 15 years of study providing 70% of the production of the 1st round picks but for at only 40% of the cost. And the team that has mode the most 2nd round draft picks during that time? The New England Patriots. Another fun stat, Belicheck has traded away 5 QB's, none has a winning record. Closest was Bledsoe who did okay for the Bills the first few years and then cratered. You would think teams would learn after seeing what happened with Cassel.
God awful trade for the 49ers unless they already have a deal in place to resign him. Then it just becomes a bad use of resources to pay a premium pick to sign a guy a few months early. Ultimately, it won't matter too much if JG pans out, but those are long odds.
Once again, New England takes advantage of another team. They get a high 2nd for a guy that was going to walk next year. Heard on the radio this morning Mike & Mike talking about an article that said that 2nd round picks are by far the best value in the draft after about 15 years of study providing 70% of the production of the 1st round picks but for at only 40% of the cost. And the team that has mode the most 2nd round draft picks during that time? The New England Patriots. Another fun stat, Belicheck has traded away 5 QB's, none has a winning record. Closest was Bledsoe who did okay for the Bills the first few years and then cratered. You would think teams would learn after seeing what happened with Cassel.
God awful trade for the 49ers unless they already have a deal in place to resign him. Then it just becomes a bad use of resources to pay a premium pick to sign a guy a few months early. Ultimately, it won't matter too much if JG pans out, but those are long odds.
Insein
Footballguy
Mike Lombardi also said Doug Pederson is the worst coaching hire in the last 30 years.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
First few pages of this thread are crying out for a Hippling.
Bossman
Footballguy
JG undefeated as a 49er .. 3-0
JG undefeated as a starter 5-0
... and he has looked danmed good doing it.
All you doubters still think he wasn't worth a 1st and 4th?
He basically turned a cupcake of a franchise into a juggernaut. Single handedly.
Realistically it's going to take a miracle for SF to take down JAX or LAR, two of the top teams in the league ... but there's a chance.
Hindsight ... JG was probably worth a 1st and 2nd ... or CLE's 1st overall (honestly, wouldn't CLE be better off with JG instead of Miles Garrett?)
.. but some already knew this.
JG undefeated as a starter 5-0
... and he has looked danmed good doing it.
All you doubters still think he wasn't worth a 1st and 4th?
He basically turned a cupcake of a franchise into a juggernaut. Single handedly.
Realistically it's going to take a miracle for SF to take down JAX or LAR, two of the top teams in the league ... but there's a chance.
Hindsight ... JG was probably worth a 1st and 2nd ... or CLE's 1st overall (honestly, wouldn't CLE be better off with JG instead of Miles Garrett?)
.. but some already knew this.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
As a Niners fan, I'm thrilled about JG and very hopeful they get him signed. The ONLY way this trade doesn't work out is if he ends up starting somewhere else next year. Niners keep their #1 pick and use it to address other weaknesses and they don't need to draft and develop a QB (A near crapshoot, which they couldn't do as well as Belicheck/Brady already did with JG anyway)
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I cant think of a scenario where he isnt a 49er next year barring trade or seriojs injury
Scooby1974
Footballguy
DarkKnightsGuru
Footballguy
Must bench this week going against the best defense statistical in NFL history
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
@bicycle_seat_sniffer
How many games before we're 80% confident he's the real deal (let's define that as playoff caliber QB? I know some guys like Winston look like the real deal and regress, but when did you know with Manning, River, Big Ben, Flacco, etc? Does the lack of a high acquisition cost increase the sample size needed? Let's say for fantasy purposes, how many games before you part with a pick equivalent to next year's 1st/2nd QB off the board?
RUSF18
Footballguy
The Niners would happily pay 2018 offseason market rate for a QB they believe in. Think the more interesting negotiation will be on term and/or an opt-out.
Nah...they trade that 2nd for two 3rds and 5th, get their replacement for Brady and have another QB they trade for a second in three years.
Boston
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think they were foolish to dump both Brissett & Garapolo.
I understand they’re confident in their ability to scut talent, but with both these guys they had relatively known commodities, both clearly talented and with upside.
To those here saying “yeah but look at all the draft picks!” that’s great & all, but now they’ve got two in the hand when they had one in the bush.
As they say....
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Well, they did - it just would have cost them money.
Patriots needed to take a page out of the dynasty Niners playbook - trade 40 year old Brady & pay Garapolo. “Better a year to early than a year too late” and all that.
This dude looks as legit as they come & at some point Brady is going to drop off - and history says it’ll be fast and ugly.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
Funny think is JG winning isn't really helping SF.... They went from picking 2nd to picking 6-10th.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think people are forgetting that Garoppolo had said he was leaving the Patriots this year and they really couldn't franchise him. He wanted to play, and with Brady still at a high level, they really couldn't pass up two Super Bowl shots (this year and next) to see an unknown take the field.
Boston
Footballguy
Not gonna happen...they will ride Brady out until he actually drops and hopefully there is another Super Bowl or two that comes with it...while I usually agree with the year to early scenario (and BB has mastered it) this is the one and only exception and I honestly don't care if it means a couple of tough years after it is over...I don't ever want to see Brady in another uni and while I am a big Jimmy G fan I trust BB can dig up a legit QB when it is time...
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yes, but that 2nd rd pick to NE doesn't look so good right now considering who they traded.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
No, he looks like a first-rounder, easy. But they had to pull the trigger or risk losing him or franchising him, so it's better to get at least something for him rather than nothing.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Except for the fact that they now know they don’t need to spend that top 5-6 pick on a QB you mean?
because that’s worth a whooooooole lot towards helping SF.
Now they can grab an OT or an impact DL, or RB, or trade the pick to address multiple needs.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
I mean, after they traded a 2 for the guy at the deadline--- I think it was pretty clear they weren't going to spend there top 5 pick on a qb....Except for the fact that they now know they don’t need to spend that top 5-6 pick on a QB you mean?
because that’s worth a whooooooole lot towards helping SF.
Now they can grab an OT or an impact DL, or RB, or trade the pick to address multiple needs.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Believe me - when I was a kid and saw Montana in the wrong color red playing for the chiefs I was almost physically ill.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
They likely would have traded their top 3 pick. Had they not obtained Garapolo they would have undoubtedly won 1, maybe 2 games.
so yeah - they drop off a few draft spots but they spent a 2nd for a semi-known commodity with huge upside instead of spending it on a college maybe.
IMO thats a trade-off they’d make 99/100 times.
Anyone expect any QB of the 2018 draft class to be as good or better than JimmyG?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Bobby Orr in a Blackhawks uniform (and it was very short) was something no Boston fan needed to see...always loved the fact Bird never wore another uni...my guess with Brady is he will pull the cord as soon as he knows he can't play at a level he is comfortable with...the x-factor with the Jimmy G situation was they had the same agent so there were no secrets...he knows how long Brady plans to play and whether it is realistic or not I do think that 45 number is what he is gunning for...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh I get it - they’re never gonna trade Brady.
But if he falls off & the Pats miss, things will get ugly in a hurry for a fanbase used to winning 10+ games a year for a decade.
I’m sure all pats fans will say “count the rings, it was worth it” now, but if they’re 3-13 getting beat by the Browns it’ll feel a whole lot different.
lots of ifs, I realize and hey - maybe the Pats trade for someone or get Lucky & land the right guy.
But once Brady’s time is over anything is possible.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not sure about better, this draft class is pretty good with Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, Mayfield, and Allen. I think getting JimmyG for a 2nd was a steal and now they can focus their other picks on other needs. I big WIN for the 49'ers.
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Boston
Footballguy
I'd day 100/100...the Niners have some legit momentum going into this offseason...they found their franchise QB, they can do whatever they want with their high first-rounder, they have cap space and my guess is they are now a lot more attractive to potential free agents...look at the difference between them and the Browns right now...feels like they are going in two totally different directions and it is due to the fact that they have solved their QB issue...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree totally - as a fan I was psyched then they made the move. Now seeing them win a meaningful game (e.g. beating a decent quality opponent in a “spoiler” role) and seeing what appears to be a poised and professional QB who’s a star in the making, I could not be more thrilled.
Niners got a bargain. Once you’ve got a QB, the path to not sucking any more is much, much faster.
Moreover, skill position FAs will be attracted to the team instead of shunning them for not having a QB. Players want to get paid & stats earn $. Bad QB = no stats.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Which will tell you what? That a team with few offensive pieces struggles against the #1 pass defense & one of the top defenses in the NFL?
Not sure what your point is here. If Garapolo struggles against Jacksonville he sucks?
Boston
Footballguy
The youngsters forget that prior to Parcells coming on-board this was one of the worst franchises in all of professional sports...it has seen some real ugly days...as long as BB is in-charge I feel totally confident things will get figured out...once he is gone is when I will start to worry...
