The impact of signing either of those guys vs drafting Cook or Kamara or Mixon is completely different, IMO.Till they sign blount or jamal charles
That's actually his value. Expect nothing and you won't be disappointed.Getting a lot of low ball offers for Perkins
I'm not really wanting offers for him at this time. I just shake my head at the low ball offers and hit reject. I don't really say anything about it to the person offering.That's actually his value. Expect nothing and you won't be disappointed.
I prefer not to stock my roster with bums, but you're welcome to manage your team however you want to.I'm not really wanting offers for him at this time. I just shake my head at the low ball offers and hit reject. I don't really say anything about it to the person offering.
That is a very over generalized statement given a lot of dynasty roster sizes are 24-26 man rosters. In one league I have the best team in the league and it makes no sense to worry about Perkins in a trade at this time.I prefer not to stock my roster with bums, but you're welcome to manage your team however you want to.
It also depends on if you are intending to compete this year or not. If I had a team that was 2-3 years away from contention, I'd probably hold that lottery ticket for at least one more season.
On a team that is trying to win now, he is probably useless.
Give me Perkins in this one.So 5th round pick Perkins vs 4th round pick Gallman
Not so fast. Gallman could easily compete with Perkins.Give me Perkins in this one.
Lance Zierlein and Bucky Brooks seem to this their talent level is very similar.So 5th round pick Perkins vs 4th round pick Gallman
SNY's Ralph Vacchiano believes the Giants' backfield appears "set" with Paul Perkins atop the depth chart.
Perkins is joined by veteran pass-catchers Shane Vereen and Shaun Draughn, along with fourth-round rookie Wayne Gallman. Those four are the leaders in the clubhouse to compose New York's four-man backfield come Week 1. The G-Men had been eyeing free agent LeGarrette Blount prior to the draft, but the selection of Gallman may have put an end to that pursuit for GM Jerry Reese.
Source: SNY
May 1 - 9:41 AM
Interesting. Although one could say the same about Dixon, being projected as the starter and going overall ~110 (He is missing 1/4 of the season, so there's that too).I dont remember ever seeing a projected feature back for a contending team go this late in fantasy drafts, but now is the time to scoop him up.
Drop lockett. Ingram would be hard to keep too.Could go either way w/Perkins IMO. I'm struggling to decide if I should keep him or Tyler Lockett. (Start 3 WR, 2 Rb & 1 flex) I already am keeping Zeke, Ingram & Lamar Miller
I couldn't help but think of your Perkins clip when I saw this: https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/882590855877476352@FF Ninja
Responding to your post in https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/757099-2017-offensive-lines-and-resulting-fantasy-impact/
Here's a couple more examples that might explain the discrepancy between how you see Perkins and how I do.
https://youtu.be/HxBUcL2RzKM
3 good examples here of what he can do against 6 or 7 in the box. First example is 6 defenders. Bad blocking. He should get hit in the backfield, but doesn't.
Sure. There are examples of Abdullah not breaking tackles and examples of Perkins breaking tackles.FF Ninja said:I couldn't help but think of your Perkins clip when I saw this: https://twitter.com/MattBowen41/status/882590855877476352
The Abdullah clip is a good illustrations of why I wasn't impressed with that first play of your youtube clip. Nobody was waiting for Perkins on the outside like they were for Abdullah. If Perkins had to juke an outside defender (or two) then it would've been impressive. But breaking a run outside when the inside is clogged up is pretty much run of the mill. Making plays against unblocked defenders, that's noteworthy.
Not saying he can't be good, but can't put a lot of stock in his status as starter. He's still 5th round pick who's proven very little. If he doesn't do well I'm pretty sure the Giants will play somebody else.Perkins and the situation is just so boring
Looked good last year, passing game should be nuts.Based on what??
The point of that Abdullah clip wasn't to say Abdullah is better than Perkins - I think that's pretty well established. The point was to show why I wasn't impressed with the highlight clip of Perkins you linked.Sure. There are examples of Abdullah not breaking tackles and examples of Perkins breaking tackles.
I won't argue whether Perkins is a better or worse player than Abdullah - it's irrelevant. They aren't playing on the same teams with the same coaching and the same depth charts. If you swapped the two, I'd be more interested in Abdullah, because I have higher expectations for the giants than the lions, I believe Perkins has better receivers to keep things open for him, and I think Perkins may get more touches because I don't think vereen is going to get more touches than Riddick who has 142 and 159 the last two years.
If a defense wants to scheme Perkins out of the game they will probably be able to. But the giants have the best trio of receivers in the NFL and have them on the field all the time. You can't defend the giants by scheming Perkins away. You can defend them by sending blitzes at manning but Perkins is exactly the kind of back you use to beat the blitz - a good pass blocker with lateral agility and elusiveness who can catch the ball well.
So while you show me video of Abdullah evading blockers and say that's more impressive than video of Perkins not evading anyone, I prefer Perkins because he doesn't have to evade anyone because the defense is in nickel from the first snap of the game and they're doubling obj and trying to play man up with Marshall just to keep 7 near the box.
IMO classic example a "riser." But for no real great reason aside from being named a starter, but who else do they have? Vereen is not a starter. Darkwa showed some signs of promise.Based on what??
I can say I didn't really see much of him, but he was pretty unproductive last year. His ypc was better than I expected it to be. I have doubts about the passing offense because of Eli though.Looked good last year, passing game should be nuts.
The giants have had 403, 449 and 398 rush attempts the last 3 years. Jennings had 543 of those, which is 181 per year, but he did it in 40 games played (of 48). That's a 654 carries in 3 year pace or close to 220 per year. Also theres no Andre Williams, gallman isn't ready to pass block in their audible heavy system, Vereen has never had more than 96 rush attempts in a season and darkwaa had never had more than 36. It's not hard to project Perkins at 240 rush attempts and 200 is about the least you should projectBased on what??
Right, but the comment was about him being a top 10 RB. You make the case for how he gets there, but it's very best case scenario. It seems like almost any starting NFL RB can get a best case scenario into the late RB1 range.The giants have had 403, 449 and 398 rush attempts the last 3 years. Jennings had 543 of those, which is 181 per year, but he did it in 40 games played (of 48). That's a 654 carries in 3 year pace or close to 220 per year. Also theres no Andre Williams, gallman isn't ready to pass block in their audible heavy system, Vereen has never had more than 96 rush attempts in a season and darkwaa had never had more than 36. It's not hard to project Perkins at 240 rush attempts and 200 is about the least you should project
Perkins averaged 4.1 per attempt as a rookie. Give him 3.8 to 4.4 this year. If you're down on him, you might expect him to struggle in the lead role at 3.8. If you think he's going to improve in year two, 4.4 seems reasonable.
Jennings had 29, 30, and 35 receptions the last 3 years. Perkins is a good receiving back - 30-35 catches seems reasonable. Note that Vereen caught 81 and 19 passes in two of those years - he doesn't seem to take receptions away from the lead back.
Perkins averaged over 10 yards per reception as a rookie, but it's doubtful he'll repeat. 7-8 is more likely.
Perkins had no touchdowns as a rookie, but the giants have gotten 13, 5 and 6 touchdowns from their backs. Darkwaa has one touchdown per year - he's not really a goal line back. Neither is Vereen. Gallman may get some attempts, but he's a poorly regarded pass blocking prospect so he's unlikely to get much work. The giants have an almost exactly 50% run/pass ratio inside the 10, so Perkins could get anywhere from 3 to 10 touchdowns and it wouldn't be that shocking.
Give him 240 carries at 4.4, 35 receptions at 8 per catch, and 8 touchdowns, and you're looking at a low end rb1. Give him 200 at 3.8, 30 at 7, and 4 touchdowns and you're looking at a low end rb2. Either way you're looking at a guy worth owning.
I see him closer to the high end of that range, because I think he's a much better back than Jennings has been the last 3 years and I think that offense is going to produce more goal line opportunities than it has the last two years, so to me he's a potential rb1 you can get as one of the last starting rbs off the board.
Looked mediocre last year. His best game came in week 17. His playoff game was 10 rushes for 30 yards.Looked good last year, passing game should be nuts.
This is where I'm at. Best case scenario, sure he can be a RB1. I think it's reasonable he gets at least 200 carries. I can agree with that. Low end RB2 is about where I think he stands now in the rankings, and I think it's reasonable. Top 10 based on speculation seems like quite a reach.Right, but the comment was about him being a top 10 RB. You make the case for how he gets there, but it's very best case scenario. It seems like almost any starting NFL RB can get a best case scenario into the late RB1 range.The giants have had 403, 449 and 398 rush attempts the last 3 years. Jennings had 543 of those, which is 181 per year, but he did it in 40 games played (of 48). That's a 654 carries in 3 year pace or close to 220 per year. Also theres no Andre Williams, gallman isn't ready to pass block in their audible heavy system, Vereen has never had more than 96 rush attempts in a season and darkwaa had never had more than 36. It's not hard to project Perkins at 240 rush attempts and 200 is about the least you should project
Perkins averaged 4.1 per attempt as a rookie. Give him 3.8 to 4.4 this year. If you're down on him, you might expect him to struggle in the lead role at 3.8. If you think he's going to improve in year two, 4.4 seems reasonable.
Jennings had 29, 30, and 35 receptions the last 3 years. Perkins is a good receiving back - 30-35 catches seems reasonable. Note that Vereen caught 81 and 19 passes in two of those years - he doesn't seem to take receptions away from the lead back.
Perkins averaged over 10 yards per reception as a rookie, but it's doubtful he'll repeat. 7-8 is more likely.
Perkins had no touchdowns as a rookie, but the giants have gotten 13, 5 and 6 touchdowns from their backs. Darkwaa has one touchdown per year - he's not really a goal line back. Neither is Vereen. Gallman may get some attempts, but he's a poorly regarded pass blocking prospect so he's unlikely to get much work. The giants have an almost exactly 50% run/pass ratio inside the 10, so Perkins could get anywhere from 3 to 10 touchdowns and it wouldn't be that shocking.
Give him 240 carries at 4.4, 35 receptions at 8 per catch, and 8 touchdowns, and you're looking at a low end rb1. Give him 200 at 3.8, 30 at 7, and 4 touchdowns and you're looking at a low end rb2. Either way you're looking at a guy worth owning.
I see him closer to the high end of that range, because I think he's a much better back than Jennings has been the last 3 years and I think that offense is going to produce more goal line opportunities than it has the last two years, so to me he's a potential rb1 you can get as one of the last starting rbs off the board.
I think it's a huge leap of faith to assume none of the other RBs on the Giants can supplant Perkins.The giants have had 403, 449 and 398 rush attempts the last 3 years. Jennings had 543 of those, which is 181 per year, but he did it in 40 games played (of 48). That's a 654 carries in 3 year pace or close to 220 per year. Also theres no Andre Williams, gallman isn't ready to pass block in their audible heavy system, Vereen has never had more than 96 rush attempts in a season and darkwaa had never had more than 36. It's not hard to project Perkins at 240 rush attempts and 200 is about the least you should project
When just looking at RB rushes, data dominator says:The giants have had 403, 449 and 398 rush attempts the last 3 years.