Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (1 Viewer)

[Proust Loves Cake]

We have pictures.

Yah, that's pretty clearly child abuse.

My initial reaction was 'meh'.

Speaks volumes.

 

[cstu]

News may come out that AD didn't actually do this... maybe it was his elder son has anger issues and did it and AD was afraid of what might happen to his eldest son or something. But for now the facts we know are that Adrian Peterson whipped his kid with a tree branch enough to break skin and cause severe damage to his exterior. Enough so that an ER doctor said it had all the signs of child abuse... ER doctors see this stuff every day. So until further evidence comes to light.

Why can't you guys understand that a large part of the country - including the state where the event happened - thinks that this type of 'discipline' is ok? Going on about how evil AP when it's acceptable parenting accomplishes nothing.

Work on changing the country's laws rather than piling on AP.

 

[The Duff Man]

I really hope the "it happened to me" crowd is misremembering their punishment.

More than 20 marks with open wounds a week later? Wounds on the scrotum?

Child abuse, no matter how you remember it. Sorry if you were abused, too bad that doesnt help you empathize and stand up for children going through it today.

 

[Vector]

Really surprised today's news has generated a debate about corporal punishment. Misses the issue. What AP inflicted was child abuse. Intent is irrelevant. Personal history is irrelevant. Culture is irrelevant. Those disturbing pictures reveal a severely abused 4-year-old child.

So, you've tried and convicted him. Waiting for your sentencing.

 

[cstu]

Roddy White ‏@roddywhiteTV 18m

I'm probably going to lose my fantasy football matchup this week cause all day can't play Sunday for disciplining his child Jesus help us.

You should have drafted better, Roddy.

 

[KellysHeroes]

News may come out that AD didn't actually do this... maybe it was his elder son has anger issues and did it and AD was afraid of what might happen to his eldest son or something. But for now the facts we know are that Adrian Peterson whipped his kid with a tree branch enough to break skin and cause severe damage to his exterior. Enough so that an ER doctor said it had all the signs of child abuse... ER doctors see this stuff every day. So until further evidence comes to light.

Why can't you guys understand that a large part of the country - including the state where the event happened - thinks that this type of 'discipline' is ok? Going on about how evil AP when it's acceptable parenting accomplishes nothing.

Work on changing the country's laws rather than piling on AP.

he went too far

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

News may come out that AD didn't actually do this... maybe it was his elder son has anger issues and did it and AD was afraid of what might happen to his eldest son or something. But for now the facts we know are that Adrian Peterson whipped his kid with a tree branch enough to break skin and cause severe damage to his exterior. Enough so that an ER doctor said it had all the signs of child abuse... ER doctors see this stuff every day. So until further evidence comes to light.

Why can't you guys understand that a large part of the country - including the state where the event happened - thinks that this type of 'discipline' is ok? Going on about how evil AP when it's acceptable parenting accomplishes nothing.

Work on changing the country's laws rather than piling on AP.

This is so wrong on so many levels. I certainly will vigorously pile on AP and anyone who commits or even remotely condones child abuse.

 

[cstu]

Really surprised today's news has generated a debate about corporal punishment. Misses the issue. What AP inflicted was child abuse. Intent is irrelevant. Personal history is irrelevant. Culture is irrelevant. Those disturbing pictures reveal a severely abused 4-year-old child.

Yes, it is but what I trying to get through people's heads is that a lot of people think that child abuse is acceptable in order to discipline them.

This isn't about AP, it's about a country that think this is ok.

 

[KellysHeroes]

News may come out that AD didn't actually do this... maybe it was his elder son has anger issues and did it and AD was afraid of what might happen to his eldest son or something. But for now the facts we know are that Adrian Peterson whipped his kid with a tree branch enough to break skin and cause severe damage to his exterior. Enough so that an ER doctor said it had all the signs of child abuse... ER doctors see this stuff every day. So until further evidence comes to light.

Why can't you guys understand that a large part of the country - including the state where the event happened - thinks that this type of 'discipline' is ok? Going on about how evil AP when it's acceptable parenting accomplishes nothing.

Work on changing the country's laws rather than piling on AP.

This is so wrong on so many levels. I certainly will vigorously pile on AP and anyone who commits or even remotely condones child abuse.

and for a Minnesota Dr to turn him in and not cover it up.... ouch!

 

[pantherclub]

So from a pure fantasy perspective, anyone buying low on AP?

He'll be back this season. Might be good to stock away.

I wouldnt bet money on that.

Goddell is going to overreact and ban him for the season and then the vikes are going to cut him.

 

[jonessed]

News may come out that AD didn't actually do this... maybe it was his elder son has anger issues and did it and AD was afraid of what might happen to his eldest son or something. But for now the facts we know are that Adrian Peterson whipped his kid with a tree branch enough to break skin and cause severe damage to his exterior. Enough so that an ER doctor said it had all the signs of child abuse... ER doctors see this stuff every day. So until further evidence comes to light.

Why can't you guys understand that a large part of the country - including the state where the event happened - thinks that this type of 'discipline' is ok? Going on about how evil AP when it's acceptable parenting accomplishes nothing.

Work on changing the country's laws rather than piling on AP.

he went too far

Maybe you should protest by not watching the NFL.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Really surprised today's news has generated a debate about corporal punishment. Misses the issue. What AP inflicted was child abuse. Intent is irrelevant. Personal history is irrelevant. Culture is irrelevant. Those disturbing pictures reveal a severely abused 4-year-old child.

So, you've tried and convicted him. Waiting for your sentencing.

He admitted it. Now it's up to people who know how wrong child abuse is to be louder and stronger advocates against child abuse than the people here who are desperately trying to justify it.

 

[cstu]

We have pictures.

Yah, that's pretty clearly child abuse.

My initial reaction was 'meh'. Guess that tells you how abused I was.

I would have anticipated empathy from the previously abused crowd. At least that's what I was hoping for.

You would think so but child abuse screws up a person.

 

[KellysHeroes]

So from a pure fantasy perspective, anyone buying low on AP?

He'll be back this season. Might be good to stock away.

I wouldnt bet money on that.

Goddell is going to overreact and ban him for the season and then the vikes are going to cut him.

The thing with Rice was there was no remorse after he hit and KO'd her, the video showed that. With AD theres text messages to the mother with him explaining how bad he felt but he was just doing what his experiences taught him was right.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Really surprised today's news has generated a debate about corporal punishment. Misses the issue. What AP inflicted was child abuse. Intent is irrelevant. Personal history is irrelevant. Culture is irrelevant. Those disturbing pictures reveal a severely abused 4-year-old child.

Yes, it is but what I trying to get through people's heads is that a lot of people think that child abuse is acceptable in order to discipline them.

This isn't about AP, it's about a country that think this is ok.

I'm not disputing that. Doesn't mean advocates for child abuse aren't completely out of their minds.

 

[cstu]

Really surprised today's news has generated a debate about corporal punishment. Misses the issue. What AP inflicted was child abuse. Intent is irrelevant. Personal history is irrelevant. Culture is irrelevant. Those disturbing pictures reveal a severely abused 4-year-old child.

So, you've tried and convicted him. Waiting for your sentencing.

He admitted it. Now it's up to people who know how wrong child abuse is to be louder and stronger advocates against child abuse than the people here who are desperately trying to justify it.

I'm extremely doubtful that he's found guilty in Texas. It's far more likely that he pleads to something else and ends up taking parenting classes.

Meanwhile, the country will continue abusing kids.

 

[Vector]

Really surprised today's news has generated a debate about corporal punishment. Misses the issue. What AP inflicted was child abuse. Intent is irrelevant. Personal history is irrelevant. Culture is irrelevant. Those disturbing pictures reveal a severely abused 4-year-old child.

So, you've tried and convicted him. Waiting for your sentencing.

He admitted it. Now it's up to people who know how wrong child abuse is to be louder and stronger advocates against child abuse than the people here who are desperately trying to justify it.

I'm not justifying it. Just treating all who seek to judge to be judged themselves. The court has indicted him for reackless endangerment. You have convicted him of child abuse. You obviously should be placed in charge of all cases like this because you are more knowledgeable than all others involved in this case.

 

[cstu]

News may come out that AD didn't actually do this... maybe it was his elder son has anger issues and did it and AD was afraid of what might happen to his eldest son or something. But for now the facts we know are that Adrian Peterson whipped his kid with a tree branch enough to break skin and cause severe damage to his exterior. Enough so that an ER doctor said it had all the signs of child abuse... ER doctors see this stuff every day. So until further evidence comes to light.

Why can't you guys understand that a large part of the country - including the state where the event happened - thinks that this type of 'discipline' is ok? Going on about how evil AP when it's acceptable parenting accomplishes nothing.

Work on changing the country's laws rather than piling on AP.

This is so wrong on so many levels. I certainly will vigorously pile on AP and anyone who commits or even remotely condones child abuse.

and for a Minnesota Dr to turn him in and not cover it up.... ouch!

Probably a Packers fan.

 

[Rick James]

My granddad whooped me with a switch a time or two. Don't thing anything of it now. Hope AP doesn't get banned from the league for this.

 

[whitem0nkey]

@vleach44
I think if most people got disciplined growing up this country would be a better place. https://twitter.com/...556507294150656

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Wow. This discussion is really eye-opening how many people have such ####ed up views on child abuse. I mean, I can't describe how depressing this segment of society makes me feel right now. That it is not just accepted, but embraced that I can't wrap my head around.

 

[kd1]

nobody's mentioned this, but those pictures look like a white kid, no?

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Really surprised today's news has generated a debate about corporal punishment. Misses the issue. What AP inflicted was child abuse. Intent is irrelevant. Personal history is irrelevant. Culture is irrelevant. Those disturbing pictures reveal a severely abused 4-year-old child.

So, you've tried and convicted him. Waiting for your sentencing.

He admitted it. Now it's up to people who know how wrong child abuse is to be louder and stronger advocates against child abuse than the people here who are desperately trying to justify it.

I'm not justifying it. Just treating all who seek to judge to be judged themselves. The court has indicted him for reackless endangerment. You have convicted him of child abuse. You obviously should be placed in charge of all cases like this because you are more knowledgeable than all others involved in this case.

I assume so. At the very least, a lot fewer kids would be harmed.ETA, I think you are justifying it.

 

[Johnny Blood]

News may come out that AD didn't actually do this... maybe it was his elder son has anger issues and did it and AD was afraid of what might happen to his eldest son or something. But for now the facts we know are that Adrian Peterson whipped his kid with a tree branch enough to break skin and cause severe damage to his exterior. Enough so that an ER doctor said it had all the signs of child abuse... ER doctors see this stuff every day. So until further evidence comes to light.

Why can't you guys understand that a large part of the country - including the state where the event happened - thinks that this type of 'discipline' is ok? Going on about how evil AP when it's acceptable parenting accomplishes nothing.

Work on changing the country's laws rather than piling on AP.

Even if that's true it is not OK in Minnesota. If those texts and photos are verified he will be cut. I think some of the predictions in this thread are way off base.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I think disciplining your kid is fine, AP just obviously took it too far. He's also a dumb #### since he knew the kid had a Dr. appointment coming up.

 

[Johnny Blood]

The thing with Rice was there was no remorse after he hit and KO'd her, the video showed that. With AD theres text messages to the mother with him explaining how bad he felt but he was just doing what his experiences taught him was right.

The text messages are enough to hang him. Are we even reading the same thing? "Normal whooping"?

 

[whitem0nkey]

so is it likely that peterson will be back in week 3 as this will drag out until after this season?

 

[KellysHeroes]

The thing with Rice was there was no remorse after he hit and KO'd her, the video showed that. With AD theres text messages to the mother with him explaining how bad he felt but he was just doing what his experiences taught him was right.

The text messages are enough to hang him. Are we even reading the same thing? "Normal whooping"?

I guess not, theres a lot data to process

 

[kd1]

The thing with Rice was there was no remorse after he hit and KO'd her, the video showed that. With AD theres text messages to the mother with him explaining how bad he felt but he was just doing what his experiences taught him was right.

The text messages are enough to hang him. Are we even reading the same thing? "Normal whooping"?

the phraseology of "normal whooping" is irrelevant. corporal punishment is legal in texas. he's not going to get in trouble for what he terms it lol.

 

[VaTerp]

Really surprised today's news has generated a debate about corporal punishment. Misses the issue. What AP inflicted was child abuse. Intent is irrelevant. Personal history is irrelevant. Culture is irrelevant. Those disturbing pictures reveal a severely abused 4-year-old child.

It's up to a Texas court to determine if it was child abuse. And I worked directly with kids for almost 10 years. I've seen victims of severe child abuse.

This looks like a parent who went too far in disciplining his 4 year old. And for that he will have to deal with the Texas legal system.

But all of the internet prosecutors and moral crusaders have already spoken in the SP so Peterson should be banned for life from the NFL and tarred and feathered based on reading a few paragraphs and viewing poor quality pictures online.

 

[Vector]

Really surprised today's news has generated a debate about corporal punishment. Misses the issue. What AP inflicted was child abuse. Intent is irrelevant. Personal history is irrelevant. Culture is irrelevant. Those disturbing pictures reveal a severely abused 4-year-old child.

So, you've tried and convicted him. Waiting for your sentencing.

He admitted it. Now it's up to people who know how wrong child abuse is to be louder and stronger advocates against child abuse than the people here who are desperately trying to justify it.

I'm not justifying it. Just treating all who seek to judge to be judged themselves. The court has indicted him for reackless endangerment. You have convicted him of child abuse. You obviously should be placed in charge of all cases like this because you are more knowledgeable than all others involved in this case.

I assume so. At the very least, a lot fewer kids would be harmed.ETA, I think you are justifying it.

Hardly. Once again, you just don't get it. Maybe some day, if you're lucky, you'll be tried in the new social court. you will then understand what I'm saying here.

 

[FinHead]

It's not a spanking, it's child abuse!!!

Throw this trash out of the league!

 

[Johnny Blood]

The thing with Rice was there was no remorse after he hit and KO'd her, the video showed that. With AD theres text messages to the mother with him explaining how bad he felt but he was just doing what his experiences taught him was right.

The text messages are enough to hang him. Are we even reading the same thing? "Normal whooping"?

the phraseology of "normal whooping" is irrelevant. corporal punishment is legal in texas. he's not going to get in trouble for what he terms it lol.

No, he described the 10-15 lashes and the injuries to the buttocks as a "normal whooping". And this is illegal in Texas, hence the indictment. Not to mention the text about nailing the kid's "nuts".

Obviously a lot of people are in fantasy football induced denial. He's toast. I don't live where this is allegedly OK but I did live in Minnesota and there's no way this will be tolerated if those texts and photos are real. If they are real suspension length is irrelevant, he'll never play for the Vikings again.

 

[VaTerp]

The thing with Rice was there was no remorse after he hit and KO'd her, the video showed that. With AD theres text messages to the mother with him explaining how bad he felt but he was just doing what his experiences taught him was right.

The text messages are enough to hang him. Are we even reading the same thing? "Normal whooping"?

the phraseology of "normal whooping" is irrelevant. corporal punishment is legal in texas. he's not going to get in trouble for what he terms it lol.

No, he described the 10-15 lashes and the damage to the buttocks as a "normal whooping". And this is illegal in Texas, hence the indictment. Not to mention the text about nailing the kid's "nuts".

Obviously a lot of people are in fantasy football induced denial. He's toast.

Wanna bet?

 

[NoCheese]

So from a pure fantasy perspective, anyone buying low on AP?

He'll be back this season. Might be good to stock away.

I wouldnt bet money on that.Goddell is going to overreact and ban him for the season and then the vikes are going to cut him.

The thing with Rice was there was no remorse after he hit and KO'd her, the video showed that. With AD theres text messages to the mother with him explaining how bad he felt but he was just doing what his experiences taught him was right.

Good points, plus there's no video.

 

[Johnny Blood]

So you are seriously saying that the collection of text messages found at this link helps Peterson:

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/12/exclusive-details-on-adrian-peterson-indictment-charges/

 

[pantherclub]

So from a pure fantasy perspective, anyone buying low on AP?

He'll be back this season. Might be good to stock away.

I wouldnt bet money on that.

Goddell is going to overreact and ban him for the season and then the vikes are going to cut him.

The thing with Rice was there was no remorse after he hit and KO'd her, the video showed that. With AD theres text messages to the mother with him explaining how bad he felt but he was just doing what his experiences taught him was right.

and?

 

[kd1]

So from a pure fantasy perspective, anyone buying low on AP?

He'll be back this season. Might be good to stock away.

I wouldnt bet money on that.Goddell is going to overreact and ban him for the season and then the vikes are going to cut him.

The thing with Rice was there was no remorse after he hit and KO'd her, the video showed that. With AD theres text messages to the mother with him explaining how bad he felt but he was just doing what his experiences taught him was right.

Good points, plus there's no video.

Pretty lousy points, actually. There are pictures, and an admission of guilt. If you murder somebody in cold blood, then show remorse, it kinda doesn't matter. You still committed murder.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Really surprised today's news has generated a debate about corporal punishment. Misses the issue. What AP inflicted was child abuse. Intent is irrelevant. Personal history is irrelevant. Culture is irrelevant. Those disturbing pictures reveal a severely abused 4-year-old child.

This looks like a parent who went too far in disciplining his 4 year old.

Right. It's called child abuse.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

This is stunning. Really. I feel badly for a lot of people in this thread. Not angry at them. Just really feel bad. And their children, if they have any.

If you don't see the difference between "discipline" and what those photos reveal, there's nothing anyone can say to change your brain. The child is four. Four. What could a four year old do to possibly earn that type of abuse?

That wasn't a spanking. That wasn't a father teaching a kid right from wrong. This wasn't a red butt and some tears. It's an adult opening up the skin of a young child at will. The kid is four. What chance did he have against a pro football player who wanted to inflict some serious pain?

If it turns out Peterson grew up with that type of abuse, I'll feel badly for him...as I support the strictest punishment possible under the law.

 

[Johnny Blood]

He not only admitted guilt in the text messages he did so in the police interview. Read the link.

 

[chinawildman]

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the actual facts in this incident. No one has bothered to mention that a grand jury had been convened to review the same issue before and no charges were filed. My guess is that they originally intended to charge him with child abuse. The second grand jury has decided to charge him with negligent child injury which is a lesser charge, though more in line with the evidence presented.

In other words, those that think he will get sent to jail for child abuse are completely ignorant of the facts. Whether you believe it's child abuse or not is irrelevant really at this point.

 

[Neofight]

Idk pics didn't bother me that much. I know kids young but there's nothing wrong with setting a strong example of discipline from a young age. Just means you have to do it less as the kid gets older since a statement was made early on.

Would you hit your wife with a stick until she bled?

 

[davidwb]

It's interesting that the first grand jury declined to indict Peterson -- it was the second that did.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

It's interesting that the first grand jury declined to indict Peterson -- it was the second that did.

There are a lot of very dumb people and very dumb laws in Texas. As evidenced by many things, but this in particular.

 

[timschochet]

A particularly depressing aspect of this and the Ray Rice situations is that at least 90% of people's responses are emotional, thought-free reactions that inevitably come down on one extreme or the other, when the truth is somewhere in the middle. Unfortunately, that requires patience and thinking, which very few want to do.

What AP did to that boy is awful and tragic. It is also consistent with his upbringing and his faith (to be clear, those don't excuse it, but they provide context for understanding how it happened). The fact that he believes he is acting in the best long-term interest of his son is important, no matter how ill-informed that belief may be. That's different from him being pissed off about losing a game and taking it out on his kid. The NFL will do whatever is in its best financial interest, and if we're lucky that will align with what's best for AP Junior. Maybe a two to four-week suspension for AP while he goes to counseling to learn how to be a strong father without resorting to violence, especially at that level. States may disagree on whether corporal punishment is allowed, but there is still a line and this is clearly beyond it.

This is a great post. A couple of other thoughts I have:

- I'm actually glad to see that AP seems to care about his kids. I'm a little perplexed that he didn't seem to be be involved in the life of the child who died a year or two ago but he seems to care about his other kids. Hopefully he learns from this and finds the proper line for disciplining his children. I'd rather have that than the more common behavior in the AA community where the father is MIA.

- I've seen people in this thread comparing this to the Vick or Ray Rice cases. This is very different than both of those cases. This was a father trying to do what he felt was right and in the best interests of his child. Clearly he was wrong in his application of that principle but to compare this to either of those other cases is ridiculous IMO.

This is a HUGE assumption on your part and at this point we do not know this at all. Based on the severity of those photos, he might have started out that way and then lost his temper. Or he might have used the "discipline" thing as an excuse to sadistically abuse his son, as so many child abusers do. We don't know anything, and it's rather ludicrous of you, IMO, to just throw this assumption out there as if it were the truth.

Tim,

Like you I'm going by the evidence that is out there. AP's discussions with the police are out there and I have read them. There isn't any evidence suggesting anything else. Why is it ok for you to continuously give the government the benefit of the doubt regardless of evidence that suggests they're lieing, but I can't take AP at his word? Do you have any evidence that what he did wasn't just a disciplinary action that was taken too far?

Just a bit too far? Cuts to the kids scrotum, among other areas, and you're justifying this because it kinda got a little outta hand, a little overzealous, whoops my bad?

I am just so disgusted and discouraged by some of the minority views in this country.

I haven't justified anything. I'm sorry I don't look at things as black and white and form my opinions within 5 minutes of hearing about a story like you and Tim. There are nuances and context to many incidents and I like to explore the entire story. AP doesn't have a history of violence that I'm aware of. If this was Michael Vick in this story my thoughts might be significantly different. To me this seems out of character so I'm giving the man some leeway at the moment. Thus far, this seems to me like someone who was brought up a certain way and is just doing things the way he was taught and believes worked for him. AP became a successful, rich man despite apparently having been beaten as a kid. So he believes that works. I'm not saying he's right, or justifying his actions in any way. But assuming that's his thought process I understand it. For him. Based upon his upbringing.

It's comments like yours and Tims that make it almost impossible to have hard, intelligent discussions about charged topics such as this. And that's unfortunate. And sad.

This is quite possibly the biggest load of bull#### you've ever written and that's truly saying something. What incredible chutzpah on your part to write that I form my opinions within 5 minutes, but that you look for nuances and context. Apparently you can't even remember what you wrote and what I wrote in this discussion, so let's review. You wrote:

This was a father trying to do what he thought was right and in the best interests of his child.

I wrote:

At this point we do not know this at all...we do not know anything.

So who is the one forming their opinion in the first 5 minutes, and who is the one looking for nuance and context?

And you're full of #### anyway. It probably took you 2 seconds to form your opinion. You formed it, because IMO you're just like all the other ridiculous etoughguys in this thread who think that the lack of corporal punishment is a sign of a weak society. Sure, if it turns out to be clearly abuse (as it certainly looks like right now) you'll backtrack and claim you never wrote that, just as you're already trying to do now. But anyone who reads you knows better.

 

[chinawildman]

It's interesting that the first grand jury declined to indict Peterson -- it was the second that did.

There are a lot of very dumb people and very dumb laws in Texas. As evidenced by many things, but this in particular.

Imagine that, a group of people that disagree with the way you think. Barbarians, all of 'em.

 

[squistion]

Derrick Borte ‏@derrickborte

After this week, it's hard to believe that people around the NFL thought Michael Sam would be a distraction.

 

[RBM]

Toward the end of the interview, Peterson said he would reconsider using switches in the future, but said he would never “eliminate whooping my kids . . . because I know how being spanked has helped me in my life.”

 

[cstu]

He not only admitted guilt in the text messages he did so in the police interview. Read the link.

He never admitted 'guilt' since he doesn't believe he was doing anything wrong at the time.